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Lord Pontivillian
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It's a funicular that has the widest gauge in Britain, if not the world, at 7ft 6inch ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) It is located in Scarborough and is the St Nicholas Cliff railway.
Information courtesy of the Railway Magazine issue for Seeptember 2008! According to the same article the St Michael's Mount line is 2ft 5.5in gauge....Does anyone know what is the widest gauge in the world?
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Horseman Bree
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I'd be betting on Brunel's 7-ft. GWR, unless you include odd specialties like the Chignecto Ship Railway (never completed) or the gadget used to move stuff at Cape Canaveral.
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Darllenwr
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The widest gauge in the world? Probably depends, as Horseman Bree has said, on how specialised you want to be. The mobile cranes on the dockside at Bristol run on rails. Goodness knows what the gauge is, but it is certainly more than 7 feet. But I doubt that this counts.
It sticks in my mind that LTC Rolt made mention of locomotives built for (I think) a railway in Buenos Aires on a gauge of 11 feet 10 inches ~ something he observed during his apprenticeship at Kerr Stuart. I guess it needs somebody with better Googling skills than I to track that down.
On the whole, I concur with Horseman Bree ~ where it comes to serious, main line, usage, Brunel's 7 foot gauge is likely to be the widest.
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I've said some of this before.
Two differences between a railway enthusiast and the rest of the world.
1. A railway enthusiast thinks Brief Encounter is spoilt by all that love stuff.
2. A railway enthusiast thinks Edinburgh Castle is a fantastic backdrop for a station.
More seriously though, when I read recently a 50th anniversary report of the RCTS trip to Doncaster in 1959 when 60007 did 112 down Stoke on the way back, I was sad to realise that because I was a youngster and most of the other passengers were much older than me, there's probably not all that many other people alive who were on board.
Going back to the discussion about cliff railways at Lynton and elsewhere, no one seems to have commented that they are driven by water. The cars have tanks underneath them. The tank on the upper car is filled, and the bottom car's has been emptied. The extra weight in the top car means it is heavier. So when it descends, the extra weight pulls the other one up.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
2. A railway enthusiast thinks Edinburgh Castle is a fantastic backdrop for a station.
A real railway enthusiast thinks Edinburgh Castle is a locomotive (although he might be a somewhat esoteric enthusiast, i.e. not Great Western)
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Alaric the Goth
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There wasn't an 'Edinburgh Castle' was there? I assume all of the Castle Class were named after castles in GWR territory (more or less) so Welsh castles and West Country/West Midlands castles? (I quite like 'Castles' even if they were GWR engines!)
I think an LNER 'B17' or two had 'castle names' e.g. Raby Castle. We're taking B17/1s of course as B17/4s were 'Footballers'!
I used to like going to Edinburgh before I was 18 (well I still like it now, but not for this reason so much). Standing in Princes Street Gardens watching Class 26s, 27s, 47s, even the odd 'Deltic'...brilliant! Wish I could have been there in say 1963 and watched 'A2s','A3s', A4s, 'V2' etc. Or 1938 and seen the 'P2s' (my Dad once saw 'Cock o'the North', I think at Newcastle Central, before Edward Thompson did terrible things to it ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) ).
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There wasn't an 'Edinburgh Castle' was there? I assume all of the Castle Class were named after castles in GWR territory (more or less) so Welsh castles and West Country/West Midlands castles? (I quite like 'Castles' even if they were GWR engines!)
You need to think more recently. One of the GNER/NXEC Class 91s was named "Edinburgh Castle" until all their names were removed this year.
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I had a feeling that one of the smaller Scottish railways had a 'Castle' class, but I can't recall which one - the Highland??
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Alaric the Goth
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Yes, it would be the Highland Railway. AFAIK the GNoSR only named a small number of its 4-4-0s (the batch that included ‘Gordon Highlander’), the Glasgow & South Western didn’t name anything, except one 4 cyl. 4-4-0, and the North British was fairly keen on naming but had ‘Scott’ and ‘Glen’ 4-4-0s and its named ‘Atlantics’ (e.g. ‘Midlothian’). Not sure about the Caledonian (it had at least one named 4-6-0), but the Highland had various named 4-4-0s and 4-6-0s (the ‘Castles’ would be the latter).
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Alaric the Goth
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Incidentally the Northern Counties Committee of the LMS in (Northern) Ireland had its own ‘Castles’: the 'U2' class 4-4-0s and I think some older 4-4-0s and 2-4-0s. ‘U2’ No.74 ‘Dunluce Castle’ is preserved, and there is chance that the RPSI could return it to steam in lieu of the GNR 4-4-0 ‘Merlin’.
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Lord Pontivillian
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Since we are on the topic of 4-4-0s I must say that I think the Schools class was the Southern's, finest, gift to the universe - of course being a GWR fan I must admit to preferring the City Class! 3440 is magnificent!!
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Horseman Bree
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The Schools' appearance was spoiled by the antique form of smokebox. Why did so many British railways insist on using something that was found to be unsatisfactory about the time of the Great Exhibition?
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Lord Pontivillian
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Nah! I disagree! It is the Cab that spoils the look of the Schools, due to the restricted loading guage on the Hastings line.
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Would you believe it, I had never noticed the antiquated design of the Schools smokebox? I just went and reviewed my photographs from the National Railway Museum and discovered that not only did Maunsell use that design for the Schools (and, incidentally, the S15 class as well), Bullied perpetuated it on his Q1 class 0-6-0's ~ quite extraordinary. And I am not certain that the same design was not also used on the original Merchant Navy's and West Country's.
You would have thought that, by 1943, every designer knew that a wrapper-type smokebox was just an open invitation to leaks?
E.T.A. And I guess this makes me a candidate for a brand new anorak ...
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Alaric the Goth
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On my last visit to the NYMR in early August I had a good run behind 'Schools ' class 30926 Repton from Pickering to Levisham, and 'S15' No. 825 from Grosmont to Pickering (unfortunately interrupted by a long stop at Goathland whilst an ambulance arrived for a sick passenger ('twas the Air Ambulance!). It was almost as Southern that day as the Bluebell! (I did also have Std. 4MT No. 75029 from Levisham to Grosmont.)
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Everything that was unsatisfactory about the Schools was a consequence of the restricted loading gauge on the Hastings line*. This is illustrated by comparing the Schools to the LNER D49/Hunt class which is all but identical in appearance save the cab and smoke deflectors! Change those and you have much tidier and elegant locomotive (although most 4-4-0s look good).
*the diesel trains that replaced steam on the Hastings line were really nasty: noisy, cramped and unreliable.
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Alaric the Goth
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Two years ago I had my first-ever run behind a 'D49' ![[Smile]](smile.gif) when Morayshire made its first visit to England in ages (I think it was also its first visit where it actually hauled coaches, as its previous journey south in preservation was, AFAIK, to 'Shildon S&D 150' in 1975). It was on the Embsay & Bolton Abbey Railway, a nice line, though a bit tame in gradients compared to the nearby K&WVR , which I have been a menmber of for years.
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But even the D49's had a smokebox that was far too short. This made for problems with circulation inside the smokebox. It also gave the engines a very "stuffy" look, as if someone was walking with his shoulders hunched up, and had a severe cold - about to sneeze.
Churchward/Collett/Stanier at least understood the point about smokebox circulation, and this gave their engines a more eager look. The USRA locomotives of 1918 in the the States were generally regarded as "good-lookers", particularly the Mikados and Pacifics, and they show the benefit of a proper smokebox.
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One of the oddest little railroads in the history of railroading has to be the Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine Railway, which ran for a short time in Texas. It was better known as the Wobbledy, Bobbledy, Turnover & Stop. At one time its rolling stock consisted of specially outfitted motorcars pulling carriages. The difference between first and second class, I assume.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
One of the oddest little railroads in the history of railroading has to be the Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine Railway, which ran for a short time in Texas. It was better known as the Wobbledy, Bobbledy, Turnover & Stop. At one time its rolling stock consisted of specially outfitted motorcars pulling carriages. The difference between first and second class, I assume.
I guess this is as close as we get to your specially outfitted motorcars. The Railcars were infamously uncomfortable, according to one author, but kept Railways open.
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Horseman Bree
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And here is the Canadian equivalent, with a couple of pages of write-up
I understand that the Newfoundland Railway actually had Sentinel steam cars at one time.
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Shipmates who are attracted to this thread will probably enjoy the account in Today's Railways (UK), October edition, of a pilgrimage to all 29 cathedrals of the southern province, undertaken by train (with the obvious exception of Wells).
I should point out that I have no financial interest in this magazine!
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
One of the oddest little railroads in the history of railroading has to be the Waco, Beaumont, Trinity & Sabine Railway, which ran for a short time in Texas. It was better known as the Wobbledy, Bobbledy, Turnover & Stop. At one time its rolling stock consisted of specially outfitted motorcars pulling carriages. The difference between first and second class, I assume.
I guess this is as close as we get to your specially outfitted motorcars. The Railcars were infamously uncomfortable, according to one author, but kept Railways open.
Captain Howey, who owned the Romney Hythe and Dymchurch Railway concerted his Rolls Royce Silver Ghost into a locomotive for winter traffic. The famous radiator grille was very prominent. Apparently it was capable of high speed but since the vacuum exhauster was directly driven one had to coast through level crossings with the accelerator down to avoid the train brakes coming on if the speed dropped below a certain level.
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The London and North Eastern in Britain had quite a fleet of Sentinels between the worlds wars.
What about the Rio Grande Southern's "Galloping Goose" railcars? (Look them up on Wikipedia) The RGS followed the same model as the County Donegal in Ireland and the French Reseau Breton (all narrow gauge), who used railcars from the 30s: railcars for the regular passenger services,steam for freight and special passenger trains.
The RGS and Donegal both went in the 50s, the Reseau Breton hung on till 1967 (a bit of it still exists, albeit converted to standard gauge).
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Demonstrating to all shipmates that I am the saddest nerd on board, I've checked and the Highland Castles did not include an Edinburgh Castle. They all seem to have been called after castles in the highlands.
For shipmates who are seriously disturbed, some of them had slightly longer smokeboxes and three of them had 6' driving wheels in stead of 5' 9". Not many people know that, and those that do, wish they didn't.
I've always wanted to see a steam railcar, but never did. I believe one of the preservation societies has an Egyptian Sentinel one in bits. The LNER certainly did have some, and at least one of the other sort with a miniature engine at the front was still active in Lancashire in 1948.
I did travel in a four wheeled BR diesel railbus in the 1950s.
I don't really think a D49 and a Schools were in the same leaque. BR put a D49 in class 4 and a Schools in class 5. Rumours have it that D49s rode badly, weren't 100% successful and a Director (in class3) probably had the edge on them.
I always had a fondness for Compounds, also in 4, which even in late years could give you a fast and energetic run if they had a chance to get going.
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The Schools were a bit different from the average run of 4-4-0 ~ I don't think there were many 3 cylinder simple expansion 4-4-0's ever built in this country and certainly none with the boiler power of the Schools. They were built specifically to produced the maximum power achievable within the limitations imposed by the Hastings line ~ I think that one can reasonably say they succeeded. It is beyond question that they were Maunsell's most successful design. Yes, I know the Lord Nelsons were bigger, but it took years to sort out the drafting and they were always a little shy for steam. Some have argued that this had to do with the crank settings giving 8 exhausts per revolution instead of the more normal 4; personally I'm more inclined to think that the boiler ratios were not quite right. Bullied's fitting of multiple exhausts improved matters, but I doubt that anybody would ever claim that they steamed as freely as their opposite numbers, the GWR Castles.
So, chalk one up for Maunsell ~ a thoroughly good design, even if its aesthetics do offend some eyes.
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'Walking man's totty', Julia Bradbury, is doing her 'Railway Walks' again on BBC Two, or on iPlayer. Enjoy!
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Diesel Rail Cars or RDC's from the Budd Company were common in the later years of private passenger services before Amtrak and Via. Canadian Pacific ran an RDC on the Peterborough line and then VIA ran it for years until the service was cut in 1990. We're trying to get GO Transit to run trains here.
The problem is the track is in terrible condition.
However we now have GO Bus service to Peterborough, though the Greyhound is faster and actually cheaper.
I think that GO trains will be coming to Peterborough in the near future, though more as a bonus. CP's Havelock Subdivison which runs to Peterborough goes right through the Pickering Airport lands. Thus GO trains to Peterborough conveniently augment that federal project. Which explains why our federal MP has been pressing for rail service to Peterborough.
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The Budd RDCs were an excellent basic design and were well engineered into the bargain. They did suffer from corrosion problems after many years of use, but if modern metallurgical principles had been known when they were designed, these issues would not have arisen. A great advantage was their flexibility in seating and goods arrangement to suit the varied needs of a range of users.
In Australia, the Commonwealth Railways used them to provided a local service on the Trans Australian railway - local in a very idiosyncratic sense. The New South Wales Govt Railways ran some in multiple as the South Coast Daylight Express; not exactly a fast express though. For this, there was a buffet as well as the usual first and second class seating. Having each car separately motored gave a flexibility lacking in the home designed DEB sets, which ran in units of 3 or 4 carriages.
The Pichi Richi Railway, running north from the SA Peterborough, had its Coffeepot - boiler and cab of a steam loco, body of a narrow gauge carriage. It's been restored, and I understand runs on the line. Tasmanian Railways had a Sentinel or 2, and they were reasonably successful on a small railway
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The Pichi Richi Railway, running north from the SA Peterborough, had its Coffeepot - boiler and cab of a steam loco, body of a narrow gauge carriage.
A sort of ferrovian centaur?
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Tangent: I'm sure all on this thread are aware of the Peppercorn engine recently built new in the UK at fabulous cost as (I believe) no example existed in preservation. When I'm (very very) rich, I'm going to build an engine. What shall I build? PS This is not gonna be any time soon...
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Well put Angloid. If you go to linky there's a picture of the Coffeepot in the header of the home page, making its way through the Flinders Ranges. I might try to make that my wallpaper, it's so evocative of times past. The whole site is worth a visit.
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Not a double post but an apology.... The comma at the end of the hyperlink should be deleted. Can a host attend to this please?
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Tangent: I'm sure all on this thread are aware of the Peppercorn engine recently built new in the UK at fabulous cost as (I believe) no example existed in preservation. When I'm (very very) rich, I'm going to build an engine. What shall I build? PS This is not gonna be any time soon...
I don't want to be a bore but:
In Britain we have plenty of steam locomotives and the major problem is keeping those that are preserved in working order: some will always be static exhibits but if a locomotive can be put into running order, it should be and it should be kept that way.
We are however also missing a many of the lot of pre-nationalisation and especially pre-grouping rolling stock. I'm sure it would be better to have replica coaching stock to accompany the many pre-nationalisation locomotives; BR Mark 3's don't really go with steam.
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I take Sioni Sais's point about replica coaching stock, but not everyone is turned on by coaches. Helen-Eva, if you get the money and want to build an engine, go for it. As for ones that are missing, how's this for a selection?
- Scot with the original parallel boiler.
- LNER Mikado in original form.
- Any passenger engine from the LNWR. A George V is probably the best bet.
- A North British Atlantic.
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How about Locomotives that were never built? I offer you a Great Central Railway Balwin 2-10-2 and the Hawksworth Pacific, as well as a Barry Railway 2-6-2T
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If it's loco's that never existed that you're after, what about the Swindon proposal for a heavy 2-10-2 tank based around the standard No 7 boiler? It would appear that quite considerable work was done on this proposal before it was dropped.
That 2-10-2 tanks are feasible was amply demonstrated by their use on the narrow gauge railways of Germany ~ I would love to see a UK equivalent.
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If we're allowed to advocate loks that were never built, I don't think anything could beat the LMS 4-6-2 - 2-6-4 Express Garratt with 6' 9" wheels. Algeria, though had some real express Garratts.
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Thank you Comet for fixing my error.
The Algerian Garratts Enoch mentioned arrived at the wrong time. WW II meant that proper maintenance went by the wayside, and this the machines did not perform as they would otherwise. The designer provided all sorts of assistance for the crew, but that simply added to the maintenance needs.
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Originally posted by Helen-Eva:
Tangent: I'm sure all on this thread are aware of the Peppercorn engine recently built new in the UK at fabulous cost as (I believe) no example existed in preservation. When I'm (very very) rich, I'm going to build an engine. What shall I build? PS This is not gonna be any time soon...
I don't want to be a bore but:
In Britain we have plenty of steam locomotives and the major problem is keeping those that are preserved in working order: some will always be static exhibits but if a locomotive can be put into running order, it should be and it should be kept that way.
We are however also missing a many of the lot of pre-nationalisation and especially pre-grouping rolling stock. I'm sure it would be better to have replica coaching stock to accompany the many pre-nationalisation locomotives; BR Mark 3's don't really go with steam.
I was against building the replica ‘A1’ 4-6-2 as we have so many ‘Pacifics’ already preserved in Britain. If I had been told at the start how much it was going to cost, I’d have been VERY against it. But its publicity value for railways in general and steam in particular has been huge. And it looks very good (I’ve yet to see it running, however).
The only replica I think should be done, and it wouldn’t cost too much compared to ‘Tornado., is one of the GER 0-6-0T ‘tram locos’ as used on the Wisbech & Upwell tramway. Build a proper replica, run it say on the North Norfolk Railway and yes, hire it out to various steam lines when they have a ’Friends of Th*m@$ ‘ event and need a ‘Toby the Tram Engine’. Because we need a new generation of enthusiasts and we need them to have ‘real steam’ and not the plastic-coated diesels that e.g. Drayton Manor theme park now has, over which the Rev. W. Awdry must be turning in his grave!
Sioni, they should build a rake of replica coaches as used on the LMS streamlined trains in the 1930s to go with ‘Duchess of Hamilton’ as she looks superb re-streamlined, and MUST be returned to working order!
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Helen-Eva
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I have to say I rather like the idea of a 2-10-2 in whatever form. I'm a rather uncultured steam engine enthusiast who has a nagging feeling somewhere along the line (no pun intended) that big is best... *going to look for pictures*
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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The problem with running steam locomotives today is that they wear out. The Union Pacific sustains its 4-8-4 FEF-3 Northern 844 by salvaging spare parts from a non-running sister, 838. 838's boiler and running gear are in significantly better condition due to 844's extensive and continuous use since 1944.
The beautiful thing about Tornado is that it can be run up and down the country in excursion service without having to worry about destroying an actual preserved locomotive. The Pacific arrangement was probably chosen as it could go anywhere and be able to pull a decent set of passenger cars.
Let Tornado take the brunt of providing a running steam experience and spare the museum pieces!
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Lord Pontivillian
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Does anyone else agree with me in thinking that Modern Traction would look much better in pre-grouping liveries....imagine a DMU in Stroudley's improved Engine Green, fully lined of course! Imagine a HST in this , or even this livery ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif)
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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If we're being totally fictional, on this side of the pond I'd like to see what would have happened if passenger operations had been able to survive in private hands. Things were looking pretty grim in 1970, but the Staggers Act in the US was on the way in 1980. Since the mainline Class I's have consolidated into the Big Six (Union Pacific, Burlington Northern Santa Fe, CSX, Norfolk Southern, Canadian National and Canadian Pacific) it would be interesting to see how private passenger trains would work with that corporate environment.
I'd also like to see passenger service on the Kansas City Southern and especially the Florida East Coast Railway. No passenger trains on the FEC is just wrong from a route and market POV.
Chicago would still lose a number of passenger stations. Dearborn and Union Station would likely have survived. The others, likely not.
On the subject of fantasy routes (which will in fact be built) a tunnel between Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal. Finally.
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daviddrinkell
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Originally posted by booktonmacarthur:
Does anyone else agree with me in thinking that Modern Traction would look much better in pre-grouping liveries....imagine a DMU in Stroudley's improved Engine Green, fully lined of course! Imagine a HST in this , or even this livery
Mmmmmm - nice!
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Baptist Trainfan
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Of course, that's been done before - eg BR lined black back in the 50s was basically LNWR livery.
But I know what you mean. I'm not sure I'd want to see the Gatwick Express in Billington's chocolate brown though! (Do you treat multiple units as locos or carriages, anyway?)
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Darllenwr
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The leading/trailing ends are locomotives, the rest carriages. Obviously!
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Angloid
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Originally posted by Darllenwyr:
The leading/trailing ends are locomotives, the rest carriages. Obviously!
Not obvious at all. Aren't the motors dispersed throughout the train?
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Lord Pontivillian
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Originally posted by Angloid:
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Originally posted by Darllenwyr:
The leading/trailing ends are locomotives, the rest carriages. Obviously!
Not obvious at all. Aren't the motors dispersed throughout the train?
Paint the Motors in Loco colours, whilst the rest of the train is painted in Carriage colours ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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