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FCB
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On the thread about the RC Rite in CofE churches it was pointed out that a lot of liturgy video is now on the web. So I thought it would be good to have a thread where people can post links to such videos and folks can offer their comments on them.
I'll kick things of with this video of an RC ordination to the priesthood. It has only the rite of ordination itself, omitting the liturgy of the word and eucharist. It's not too bad, if somewhat lacking in theatrics. My favorite part is the hippie Jesuit who helps to vest the new priest.
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FCB
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Actually, it was the Indult thread.
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What's with the applause at the beginning?!
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FCB
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Originally posted by lazystudent:
What's with the applause at the beginning?!
Ordinations to the priesthood are so rare these days that people just can contain themselves.
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erm, that is, "people just can't contain themselves.
Doh!
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Just seen the first few minutes. The applause, and the sense that Fr Shawn is amongst friends, seems good to me. And the relative rarity of RC ordinations these days is a good thing if it means that this is made easier: to this Anglican, our cathedral ordinations can be very impersonal.
Tat-note though: he is clearly wearing a cassock alb, with which I unlike some other Ecclesiantophiles, have no problem. Except that such vestments are usually designed to be worn without girdle: to use one, as he is doing, means among other things that 15cm or so of trouser leg is unnecessarily revealed.
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Triple Tiara
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Here's one I rather like - it's a vocations promo for the Archdiocese of New York. Provokes lot's of questions for me.
Thanks to the shipmate ![[Biased]](wink.gif) who pointed me towards it.
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That is a GREAT video.
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I agree with Charlotte, it is a great video and a creative idea. I see it's had a significant number of views, too.
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I love it! Thank you TT
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Hmmm. It's well made. But, my goodness, I'm not into sacramental missiology. I find that very disturbing, especially the 'special effects' bit where people reach out to the guy carrying the monstrance. Very weird, IMHO!
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We musn't forget the Gospel Procession at St. Nicholas, which was posted here last Eastertide.
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Triple Tiara
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Well yes Numpty, that's why you are a prod and not a Kattolick.
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
That is a GREAT video.
Charlotte
Let's hope it's successful. The NY Archdioces has a terrible record of new vocations to the priesthood for whatever reason.
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Anselmina
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Well yes Numpty, that's why you are a prod and not a Kattolick.
I was about to respond to Numpty's post, in a kind of 'I'm not really into this kind of thing either but.....' way, and then read yours! I'm a prod, too, but found the procession of the Sacrament video really quite moving and challenging. In a way I thought it encapsulated vocation to ministry very appropriately.
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Amazing Grace
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Smile when you say "Protestant", TT! Some of us do understand the sacraments.
I hope that video works in the way it was intended. It was a beautiful witness as well as being a real "God in the City" slice-of-life. (Although I do suspect that some of the staring passers-by are not thinking holy thoughts, but "WTF is that?!")
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Leetle Masha
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What struck me in the "Jesus in New-York" video was how the Uncreated Light struck the Monstrance as the procession entered the church....
But then, maybe that's because I'm one of the Orthodoxen who hopes we'll all be together again some day and see that Light as one great Church.
Best wishes,
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Triple Tiara
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Ah, Amazing Grace, you see I was being generous to all you non-Roman Catholics who are not protestants
Did I just say that ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
Thanks Fifi for the ND de Paris link. As if I have not had enough with saying Mass all day, now I spend Sunday night watching videos of Mass! It's like something out of Fr Ted ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Several things struck me in the French episcopal ordination video, and this will show you just what an anorak I sadly am.
1. Poor old Cardinal Lustiger really is getting old and frail.
2. I have never liked that naff nave altar, but I have always loved the French style in Liturgy - when it's done with dignity. This one was no disappointment. And priestly ordinations are moving enough - episcopal ordinations are spine tinglingly so. The words are majestic, as are the symbols.
3. SEIGNEUR JESU! Where the fek did they get that chasuble???? ALL those chasubles for that matter! ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
4. Likewise the thurible
5. But the ampule for the Chrism was magnifique
6. What an odd pastoral staff Abp Vingt-Trois has - never seen anyone but the Pope (in the Roman Rite) carry a cross as a crosier. Anyone know anything about this?
7. I found it curious that the bishops-elect processed in wearing their new purple zuchettos, but it was not put back on their heads before the mitre. I am pretty sure that at all the episcopal ordinations I have been to here in Angleterre the zuchetto has only been plopped on their heads after the anointing with chrism.
8. When the mitres were put on their heads, there was an accompanying form of words. This is an oddity - is it a French innovation? In the Rite itself it specifies the mitre is put on in silence.
9. I really did not like the French form of the interrogation. In English the bishop-elect is asked "Are you resolved ...." Response: "I am". French "Voulez vous ..." "Oui, je veux a" ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
10. I was glad they resisted the temptation (sadly succumbed to in Fr Shawn Connoboy's ordination linked to above) to have a melody played during the laying on of hands. It's power lies in the absolute silence - even if prolonged.
11. Oi, but the Eucharistic Prayer sung in French is a thing of beauty. I am swooning after hearing it again.
Well done Fifi!
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aumbry
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What a mixed bag!
Can't say I thought much of Max's conga and okey-cokey (Sp?). Frankly you might as well bung a crucifix up in a disco! Max - you cannot be serious.
To a lesser extent the jiving gospel procession was comical. Is it not possible to be modern without losing all dignity?
The Dominican Sisters seemed like a bunch of good eggs and very sporty girls too.
I thought that the nave altar, vestments and virtually everything else about the Notre Dame service looked passe. Surely the installation of a bishop should merit some chunky gold chasubles?
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Another RC vocations video, this one from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (to whom I once upon a time offered my own vocation).
It's really almost too much. The guy sounds like a male Isabella Rosselini.
[I especially enjoyed the priest absolving the dude in the middle of a random field - but with proper stole, of course]
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Ah, Amazing Grace, you see I was being generous to all you non-Roman Catholics who are not protestants
Did I just say that
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daronmedway
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Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
I hope that video works in the way it was intended. It was a beautiful witness as well as being a real "God in the City" slice-of-life.
Charlotte
I've never heard of a consecrated wafer being called a 'slice-of-life' before but I guess you might stretch your theology that far if you wanted to. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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This thread has me wondering if there is any videos that would illustrate the customery at the Eucharist? This has been an idea for teaching new servers but hasn't gotten off the ground at my parish.
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
Another RC vocations video, this one from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (to whom I once upon a time offered my own vocation).
This doesn't work for me. I just get a blue screen. I have Flash Player installed and I've re-installed it just to make sure but it still doesn't work. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
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Knopwood
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Perhaps go here instead and click on "watch the video"?
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The Scrumpmeister
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Yes, thank you! That works, and I see what you mean about the accent.
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Mr. Rob
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Originally posted by Fifi:
Consécration épiscopale de Mgr Jérôme Beau et Mgr Jean-Yves Nahmias
Worth it for les grandes orgues and the thurible!
What a grand and joyous event to watch! Thank you for posting the video of such a grand ordination Mass. The Notre Dame great organ at full tilt really does give one goosbumps.
Heaven's! I was drawn in to watch the whole thing begimnning to end. I'll be dreaming in French tonight. ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif)
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Originally posted by Mr. Rob:
What a grand and joyous event to watch! Thank you for posting the video of such a grand ordination Mass. The Notre Dame great organ at full tilt really does give one goosbumps.
Heaven's! I was drawn in to watch the whole thing begimnning to end. I'll be dreaming in French tonight.
Same here! Wonderful. I may have a nightmare about that bizarre thurible, though. But I did like the aggressive swinging of the thurible as the Gospel was read. Almost expected to see a note on the screen with the French version of "Do not adjust your TV; the smoky picture is not the fault of your set." I love parallel actions like that: the thurible swung and smoke produced both at the proclamation of the Gospel and at the elevation of the Body and Blood of Christ. Visually, it says, "Here is where something holy is happening; here is where God is giving grace to his people; and our prayers of thanks, praise, and supplication rise billowing to heaven."
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FCB
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Originally posted by aumbry:
I thought that the nave altar, vestments and virtually everything else about the Notre Dame service looked passe.
You're right. That building was positively medieval. You can't get more passe than that.
The rainbow chasubles were vile. But I still thought the whole thing was pretty well done. I even sort of liked the Star Wars thurible.
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aumbry
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FCB said quote:
You're right. That building was positively medieval. You can't get more passe than that.
Well I am not sure that there is much of Notre Dame which could be classified as truly mediaeval apart from perhaps the design. It was given a pretty hefty going over by Violet-le-Duc in the nineteenth century.
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"Ah, yes, much better than Cannes! I love Italian films."
Did I get it right?
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Mr. Rob
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Originally posted by jlg:
"Ah, yes, much better than Cannes! I love Italian films."
Did I get it right?
Eh, oui. Complètement correct!
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Triple Tiara
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Triple Tiara
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Wonder what you will make of this video.
Curiously, there was no comment on these boards, but last week the Anglican and Catholic bishops of England met together for the first time - would you believe it! It's taken this long for that to happen
The video is of Solemn Vespers in Leeds Cathedral. Lots to see and comment on! Watch for the Cardinal yawning!
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Leetle Masha
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God's children in God's house, so beautiful.
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Wonder what you will make of this video.
I only had a chance to look at the opening procession in a moment of insomnia last night- but I think it's wonderful! Leaving aside the joy of seeing Englishmen of two great churches worshipping together, there were some hilarious moments. Particular highlights for me were:
- The opportunity to compare Roman and Anglican choir dress- the sleeves on a rochet really do give it an 18th century feel!
- The way that some of the Anglican bishops very deliberately crossed themselves with water from the font, others ignored it, and one in particular did a convulsive little embarrassed spasm towards it! The RCs, however, knew exactly what to do- smooth movements, no ostentation or hesitation.
- The fact that many of the Catholic bishops were entirely terrified of the idea of singing the opening hymn, while the Anglicans happily belted it out.
- The look on the Bishop of Leeds' face when he realised that Vivaldi's Gloria was a bit too long to stand through, but that he would look even sillier if he sat down...
More gems!
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Originally posted by Laurence:
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Originally posted by Triple Tiara:
Wonder what you will make of this video.
I only had a chance to look at the opening procession in a moment of insomnia last night- but I think it's wonderful! Leaving aside the joy of seeing Englishmen of two great churches worshipping together, there were some hilarious moments. Particular highlights for me were:
- The opportunity to compare Roman and Anglican choir dress- the sleeves on a rochet really do give it an 18th century feel!
- The way that some of the Anglican bishops very deliberately crossed themselves with water from the font, others ignored it, and one in particular did a convulsive little embarrassed spasm towards it! The RCs, however, knew exactly what to do- smooth movements, no ostentation or hesitation.
- The fact that many of the Catholic bishops were entirely terrified of the idea of singing the opening hymn, while the Anglicans happily belted it out.
- The look on the Bishop of Leeds' face when he realised that Vivaldi's Gloria was a bit too long to stand through, but that he would look even sillier if he sat down...
More gems!
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I am disappointed he did not hold his hands before his breast at times. It looked undignfied under his cope. And where was the crossing at the Magnificat? And +Williams half rising then sitting when he realised +Roche was doing so.
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Triple Tiara
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Gosh! The dangers of video and the things that get noticed! It can become "fernseed and elephants", to use C.S. Lewis's image, when we can strain a video for every little gesture.
I did not think it was his hands that were the issue but rather the fulsome and flowing nature of the cope. When he is standing he has his hands demurely together, but going up steps and so on he is holding back garments so he can actually move! You can see his alb and cassock being lifted when he first arrives. Have you ever tried going up steps in an alb and cope? Maybe if he slowed down a bit it would help.
But it can be a salutary lesson for clergy to watch themselves. When I first saw a video of a Mass I had celebrated it was cringeworthy noticing my twitches and glances and odd little unintended gestures.
Funniest part for me was Bp Roche trying to get the bookbearer to go away with some sidelong glances after the "Deus in adiutorium"
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I was impressed by the bishop's ability as a singer. Nice to hear a bishop who's not afraid to chant his part.
Conversely, I was a bit annoyed that the deacon didn't sing his part of the litany. How hard can it be?
And was it just my imagination or did they omit the NT Canticle after the psalms?
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Leetle Masha
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My old and ugly core of spikyness came back to bite me when they didn't bow at "et sanctum Nomen Eius" in the Magnificat, but I enjoyed hearing the robust singing of the Salve.
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Triple Tiara
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I spotted that too, FCB. And I think the issue with the sign of the cross at the Magnificat is that it had no antiphon - which probably caught people by surprise.
I think the music etc was beautiful but a little OTT. The first psalm was a very ambitious one, musically, for an oik like me. The last hymn was superfluous. It seems to me they crammed too much in that was unnecessary, so omitted some elements - a noble simplicity would have been better IMO. Maybe one psalm to Anglican chant, one to plainchant would have worked?
But that's just me being a pathologist now. Overall, I thought it was beautiful, so don't want to give the impression I thought the minutiae spoilt the whole.
I noticed the ABC singing the Salve Regina at the end, without the help of the booklet.
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I have no sound on my computer at work, so I'm just scrolling through looking at things...
Dude. Do I have to get my sensei in here to teach the bishies (on BOTH sides) how to bow?
Did anyone else catch one of the choir members giggling about 1/4 of the way through the vid? And anyone know who the giggling chorister is and can they give him my phone number? He's cute.
The mitre's nice and classically understated. I don't know about the chassie, with the white-on-white decorations he looks like he's wearing my grandma's good tablecloth.
And now the feed's crapped out. I've stuck it on del.icio.us for later perusal.
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Did anyone else catch one of the choir members giggling about 1/4 of the way through the vid? And anyone know who the giggling chorister is and can they give him my phone number? He's cute.
Yes, I caught that, too. How unprofessional (I mean about the giggling, not your wanting him to have your phone number!!)
Fantastic video. Thoroughly enjoyable.
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Leetle Masha
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I was not bothered by the OTT choir work, especially because it was a combined C of E and R C choir, which was a first in its own right, I imagine.
I wish there'd been more camera shots of the choir--I missed out on the gigglers! That always happens in choirs, even in Orthodox choirs singing in Slavonic.
By the way, that nice Our Father was chanted to one of our chants, adapted, I think, from a setting by Rachmaninov! That made me very happy!
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