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Olaf
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I didn't think that the prayer for forgiveness in the RC rite of penitence was in fact, or intended to be, an 'absolution'. AIUI it's in the 'us' rather than 'you' form deliberately, unlike the absolution in (most) Anglican rites.
Nor did I...I'm simply repeating the word used in the GIRM:
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Then the priest invites those present to take part in the Act of Penitence, which, after a brief pause for silence, the entire community carries out through a formula of general confession. The rite concludes with the priest's absolution, which, however, lacks the efficacy of the Sacrament of Penance...
Or, if you prefer to confirm that it is not a translation abnormality from its original:
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Postea sacerdos invitat ad actum paenitentialem, qui, post brevem pausam silentii, a tota communitate formula confessionis generalis perficitur, et sacerdotis absolutione concluditur, quae tamen efficacia sacramenti paenitentiae caret.
It's as much a surprise to you as it is to me, but I do suppose that it is an absolution, as it does effect the forgiveness of sin.
Go figure!
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e sings the Mass of Creation entirely and according to the liturgical fashions of the 1980's!
Max.
exactly the problem
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e sings the Mass of Creation entirely and according to the liturgical fashions of the 1980's!
Max.
exactly the problem
I'm sure he's sorry he's not saying mass like it's 19th Century Russia ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Was mullets in Old Russia? Is outrage!
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Since the priest's absolution at the beginning of Mass 'lacks the efficacy of the sacrament of Penance' then I wouldn't personally worry about the lack of sacerdotal absolution at the end of the Kyrie.The bishop reminded us that we had implored God's mercy in the singing of the Kyrie (and if we hadn't then no words of priestly absolution would have been efficacious).An awareness of imperfection and an asking for mercy is more important than the assurance of the priestly absolution.
In what is now called the EF,in the olden days the introductory rites would have been muttered just by the priest and server,such as Confiteor....Misereatur vestri..... Indulgentiam,absolutionem .... and the community would simply have watched. Even at the beginning of the introduction of the vernacular the introductory rites with the penitential aspects were left in Latin in Austria,until the introduction of the Novus Ordo in 1970.
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Olaf
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Since the priest's absolution at the beginning of Mass 'lacks the efficacy of the sacrament of Penance' then I wouldn't personally worry about the lack of sacerdotal absolution at the end of the Kyrie.The bishop reminded us that we had implored God's mercy in the singing of the Kyrie (and if we hadn't then no words of priestly absolution would have been efficacious).An awareness of imperfection and an asking for mercy is more important than the assurance of the priestly absolution.
True, but it has become a required part of the Mass on Sunday (with authorized exceptions such as Palm Sunday and Masses that start with the Office). As a person who adamantly opposes clerical tinkering, I wonder how the good bishop thinks he can get away with such tinkering!
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Originally posted by Max.:
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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
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e sings the Mass of Creation entirely and according to the liturgical fashions of the 1980's!
Max.
exactly the problem
I'm sure he's sorry he's not saying mass like it's 19th Century Russia
that would be an interesting Mass
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Originally posted by SeraphimSarov:
that would be an interesting Mass
Indeed. And here it is, complete with Roman Canon.
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Ordination of Priests at the Basilica of the Sacred Heart at Notre Dame. Long video, but worth it for anyone with time.
Wonderful! Music was good too!
It was very unfortunate btw that the Camera zoomed in on a yawning guy during the Sanctus!
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Music OK, sentiment (and setting) grand. Like weddings, ordinations make me cry.
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Streaming Video for the Installation of the new Archbishop of St Louis
I didn't realise St Louis had such a BEAUTIFUL cathedral. It's ridiculously gorgeous. In an austere, Roman way. But so glorious all the same.
The vestments they used were the same as those worn for the Installation of Archbishop Nichols of Westminster - except theirs are red as it was a Votive Mass of the Holy Ghost. I think the red vestments work better than the gold to be honest.
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Streaming Video for the Installation of the new Archbishop of St Louis
I didn't realise St Louis had such a BEAUTIFUL cathedral. It's ridiculously gorgeous. In an austere, Roman way. But so glorious all the same.
It is indeed.
I feel a bit old...I recall clearly when Raymond Burke was installed. It seems that St. Louis serves as quite the stepping stone for bishops.
Is anybody else as annoyed as me that the archived webcast has cut off all the splended pre-service music?
Note to the Ecclesiantics Brethren: St. Louis is one of those archdioceses that knows one ought to use the High Altar for any episcopal installation. It would behoove others to follow suit.
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The pre-service music looks better than the actual music for the Mass! I've noticed that at US episcopal installations actually - same for Dolan in NY. The choir(s) sing tons and tons prior to the service itself.
In the UK the tradition tends to be organ music before the service and save the choir for later.
I'm watching the service now, and the continuous pealing of handbells at every hymn is a bit annoying.
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The pre-service music looks better than the actual music for the Mass! I've noticed that at US episcopal installations actually - same for Dolan in NY. The choir(s) sing tons and tons prior to the service itself.
In the UK the tradition tends to be organ music before the service and save the choir for later.
I'm watching the service now, and the continuous pealing of handbells at every hymn is a bit annoying.
I think that's weird. Bells used constantly is quite annoying.
I don't remeber what they used for Cardinal Rigali's installation, but I'm sure it was nice. The high altar was also used.
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Ah we all agree! I just made the same comment about the bells on the random questions thread. Oh and about the vestments too.
I must admit I rather liked the arrangements here for +Vincent's installation, where, rather than having a Songs of Praise, we sang the offices in the hour before the Mass began. It worked extremely well.
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Ah we all agree! I just made the same comment about the bells on the random questions thread. Oh and about the vestments too.
I must admit I rather liked the arrangements here for +Vincent's installation, where, rather than having a Songs of Praise, we sang the offices in the hour before the Mass began. It worked extremely well.
We Americans are a fast-moving bunch. Good luck trying to get people into their seats as early as you did for the install of ++Vince! Did you even see how fast the people left the install of ++St. Louis? The ushers were dismissing people out the side aisles during the singing of the closing hymn, "Lift high the cross."
On behalf of Midwestern American Catholics everywhere, "Offices? Where are the offices? I think I saw a room with a typewriter somewhere down the hall with the bathroom!" ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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We Americans are a fast-moving bunch.
Today's 11:00 Mass ended at 12:27. The 12:30 Mass started at 12:31. By the beginning of the Penitential Rite the earlier crowd had cleared out.
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Here is a video of the procession of clergy and bishops for the installation of the ACNA archbishop Robert Duncan. I'll post more videos as they become available.
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Here is a video of the procession of clergy and bishops for the installation of the ACNA archbishop Robert Duncan. I'll post more videos as they become available.
Thanks. I've only watched a bit, but I love the black zucchetti! (Are they supposed to wear them in church, though?)
Thanks, Oblatus, as well. Now I'm kicking myself for staying local during Triduum.
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Here are more videos from the ACNA installation. They aren't great. I am hoping that the Stand Firm reps will put something better up later.
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Looking at the ACNA procession, it was fun seeing which clergy/bishops elected to partake of the holy water and which, resolutely, did not.
Also, Babyblue's site had a montage of pictures celebrating 50 years of Truro Church's main building. At the groundbreaking in the late 1950s, the rector was dressed in a surplice, cassock and -- biretta.
Seems like Virginia snake-belly low had a fancy side in those days. I don't imagine that Martyn Minns wears a pom-pom.
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Seems like Virginia snake-belly low had a fancy side in those days. I don't imagine that Martyn Minns wears a pom-pom.
Oh, way to go, LA Dave. Just when I think I have my birettas (birette?) straight, you had to go and make that statement.
I thought the poms were for monsignori? Or is that the purple trim?
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No, pompoms are for all clergy. It's the colour of the pompom that changes as they go 'up the ranks'.
I was slightly amused by the vast number of clerics in the video who used the Holy Water but crossed themselves with their left hand. Now, I was always told that was Satan's hand...
(Also, I thought it rather sweet that the tatted-up priest walking with the female clergyman shared his Holy Water with her. I doubt there've been many times when he's processed in next to a female cleric before!)
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Are you sure he wasn't exorcising her? +Akinola may have rubbed off on him.
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No, pompoms are for all clergy. It's the colour of the pompom that changes as they go 'up the ranks'.
I was slightly amused by the vast number of clerics in the video who used the Holy Water but crossed themselves with their left hand. Now, I was always told that was Satan's hand...
(Also, I thought it rather sweet that the tatted-up priest walking with the female clergyman shared his Holy Water with her. I doubt there've been many times when he's processed in next to a female cleric before!)
Thurible
Thanks.
I noticed the same things as you...the left hands, the funny possibility of the female clergy being in the company of men who oppose them.
I watched the last parts of a streaming ACNA service last night online, presided by +Duncan. Was this the same service, Brian?
Also, I've got some questions about the ACNA of the liturgical variety, but I think I'll post them in the Random Questions thread.
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MartinL, they streamed the whole service here last night, but I have yet to find it available for download or repeat viewing. Yes, the clip is from last night's service.
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MartinL, they streamed the whole service here last night, but I have yet to find it available for download or repeat viewing. Yes, the clip is from last night's service.
Thanks. That's where I watched it.
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Here is a little video that was put together during a youth program put on by the Anglican Church of Canada... your intrepid TMM makes an inadvertent cameo as he happens to trundle into one of the shots by accident...
Enjoy! don't blame me if it gets stuck in your head!
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Ktotv has much better coverage of the big services at the Vatcan than I can find on the Holy See website. Here is the mass of the imposition of the pallium for the current round of new archbishops. I think Westminster is in this group.
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Originally posted by Martin L:
the funny possibility of the female clergy being in the company of men who oppose them.
How is that going to work in the long run?
I don't think I've ever seen surplice, tippet and biretta before.
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the funny possibility of the female clergy being in the company of men who oppose them.
How is that going to work in the long run?
Well, that's the million dollar question. This is a tangent, but you may wish to look at the new FiF-NA Missionary Diocese in ACNA.
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Photos are okay in here too, right? Here are some of a church turned into a home with quite a few church furnishings restored. Not sure how I feel about this.
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That is almost as horrific as the NYC church turned into decadent druggie night club.
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There are many many such redevelopments of churches in the UK. I visited a rather famous former religious sister who now lives in one such. The whole building has been divided into 5 apartments, quaintly named The Sancturay, the Nave, The Chancel etc. I told her I was relieved she was not living in the sanctuary, and she quick as a flash replied "Ah, but I have friends in the Sanctuary".
I went to an Indian curry house in the North West, which was once a Methodist Chapel. Not sure what the Methodists would have made of the large statue of the Hindu God which is now at the head of the Chancel. And there is the deeply sad former Chapel at Kelham, once home to an Anglican religious community. The house is now the County Hall for Notts and the Chapel an events venue known as the Dome.
But this could become a distressing tangent which perhaps warrants its own thread.
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There are many many such redevelopments of churches in the UK.
But this could become a distressing tangent which perhaps warrants its own thread.
It is a distressing problem, but isn't this why churches that will not serve anymore as churches are deconsecrated? (desecrated sounds not right here)
I can't help thinking about the old Norwegian pastor whose literal Norwegian-to-English funeral-sermon metaphor got a little lost in translation: "Dis here is yust da shell. Da nut is gone." Isn't this the case with a church, too?
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A former teachers' training colloege in Edinburgh,run by the Sisters of the Sacred Heart, is now part of Napier University in the same town.
What was the chapel,is now part of the restaurant serving somewhat different fare from in the days of the Sisters.Apart from the shape of the restaurant with its apse where the altar was there is little to remind one of its past - except for the Stations of the Cross round the walls !
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That may all be quite true, MartinL, and it works on an intellectual level. But there are some places which were once powerhouses of prayer and witness. To see them thus abandoned is always a wrench. That's at an emotional level.
There used to be, just 10 years ago, a whole district here in London filled with Catholic institutions. There was St Joseph's College - the home and headquarters of the Mill Hill Fathers, the Mill Hill Missionary Institute, Damascus House - a conference centre run by the Vincentians, St Edward's College for the White Fathers, Consolata House... Now they are all gone.
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Video is now up of the episcopal ordination of Augustine Di Noia, OP at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception this past Saturday. Cardinal Levada was the principle consecrator, joined by Archbishop Wuerl of Washington and Archbishop Thomas Kelly, OP, retired Archbishop of Louisville.
I was a member of the congregation at this event, and it was a magnificent occasion. The video gives a good bird's-eye view of the ordination ritual itself.
The Te Deum at the end was, as experienced in the pew, jaw-dropping as was Archbishop Di Noia's remarks at the conclusion. Unfortunately, I don't think the video quite does justice to how powerful and hair-raising the organ was played during the Te Deum.
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Video is now up of the episcopal ordination of Augustine Di Noia, OP at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception this past Saturday.
Thanks, Franco-American.
Isn't it customary for Vatican officials such as this to be bishoped by the pope? Was there a reason it was done in the US?
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Good question. I don't know the answer. I know that JPII used to perform mass episcopal ordinations on Epiphany and maybe a couple of other days, but Benedict (I think) doesn't do that anymore. I do know that Di Noia had strong ties to Washington DC, because he used to work for the Dominican House of Studies, the Bishop's Conference, and the JPII Center. So holding it in the Shrine seems like the most approrpriate place for the ordination.
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Good question. I don't know the answer. I know that JPII used to perform mass episcopal ordinations on Epiphany and maybe a couple of other days, but Benedict (I think) doesn't do that anymore. I do know that Di Noia had strong ties to Washington DC, because he used to work for the Dominican House of Studies, the Bishop's Conference, and the JPII Center. So holding it in the Shrine seems like the most approrpriate place for the ordination.
I agree. The shrine has a good size, a good music program, and a good ability to organize a liturgy of this.
In the situation, it is doubly odd because Di Noia worked as undersecretary at the CDF, together with the current pope. Since the pope undoubtedly approved the appointment to such a senior post, I wonder what is going on.
I vaguely recall hearing that the pope was making an effort to have his underlings preside more often, but I can't recall whether that was JP2 or Ben that instituted this practice. Perhaps it is simply a matter of the pope wanting the Prefect for the CDW to preside when it was the ordination of one of his own (and in his absence the Prefect of the CDF substituted).
It's probably good I didn't attend. I may have been tempted to ask him "Where's the pope?"
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Actually, Cardinal Levada was always going to be the presider, with the Prefect of CDW as co-consecrator. However, astonishingly, our wonderful friends at Customs and Border Protection refused to honor his visa into the United States, and so he was unable to board his flight from Rome! ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) Thomas Kelly then filled in for him at the last moment.
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Was there a reason given why the Cardinal's visa wasn't honored?
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Whoever made the announcement (either Cardinal Levada or Archbishop Wuerl) did not explain further.
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Do any cathedrals or big churches in English-speaking countries other than the United States offer webcasts of their liturgies? Anglican, Lutheran, RC, whatever; I'd be happy for some suggestions.
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