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the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.
You should try! They've recently taken over Trinitá dei Monti in Rome and the worship there is absolutely amazing.
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They are indeed a superb, vibrant, young community. Here's another yes vote in their favour! I have one of their CDs and occasionally wish we had a French Mass so we could do things in their style.
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the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.
I'm watching the archived video now. It's brilliant! Why wouldn't the likes of EWTN broadcast offices like this more often?
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Also, from the same French Catholic TV network, Lauds from the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.
Lauds
That is so beautiful. Bless them. I was really moved.
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I have one of their CDs and occasionally wish we had a French Mass so we could do things in their style.
Much of their music is, I believe, composed by Andre Gouzes and I think some of it has even been translated into English.
We used to frequent their Church in Brussels every 6 weeks or so when we couldn't stand dreary Flemish liturgy any more. We took an evangelical friend to their Easter Vigil and it was partly as a result of this experience that she decided to become Catholic the next year.
I think what they are doing is far superior to much of what flies under the "reform-of-the-reform" banner. It has a spirit of freedom and honesty, yet is beautiful and traditional. No altars with phony gradines and fake tabernacles for them!
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It looks like some of Gouzes' music is available in English here.
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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
the Monastic Fraternity of Jerusalem. They are quite an interesting group, one that I would like to meet someday.
I'm watching the archived video now. It's brilliant! Why wouldn't the likes of EWTN broadcast offices like this more often?
I've never known EWTN to telecast Lauds and Vespers. The Poor Clare nuns must do them daily, so what's the deal? While I know that the American ICEL hours leaves much to be desired, there is simply no excuse for the non-exposure of the Hours to the average Catholic. None whatsoever. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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I've never known EWTN to telecast Lauds and Vespers. The Poor Clare nuns must do them daily, so what's the deal? While I know that the American ICEL hours leaves much to be desired, there is simply no excuse for the non-exposure of the Hours to the average Catholic. None whatsoever.
They used to (perhaps still do?) broadcast LotH MP and EP on their radio service. It was done by two men in a radio studio, however.
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I've never known EWTN to telecast Lauds and Vespers. The Poor Clare nuns must do them daily, so what's the deal? While I know that the American ICEL hours leaves much to be desired, there is simply no excuse for the non-exposure of the Hours to the average Catholic. None whatsoever.
They did it during the Nine Days of Mourning a couple of years ago. Personally, I think it was a chance for "screen time" for the MFVA brothers, since their masses were pushed aside in favor of the masses at St. Peter's!
The offices were conducted by the brothers in the "choir" section of their usual chapel. Different ones took turns leading, and it was good to see that not just the priestly ones had the chance to lead.
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Glad to hear it! They should do it more often, even though I personally find the MFVA brothers to be among the most naff traddy-oriented religious I have ever seen. There's something about them that's not quite right, that I can't put my finger on.
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This is getting us off-topic but watch for Fr. Mark Mary MFVA on EWTN, Crank. He is a fine preacher and theologian. The rest do seem dodgy at times.
And now back on topic: I have never managed to get the Office feed on EWTN to work. Is it me or is their feed wonky?
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make that EWTN.com.
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This is getting us off-topic but watch for Fr. Mark Mary MFVA on EWTN, Crank. He is a fine preacher and theologian. The rest do seem dodgy at times.
They seem traditional, and then a celebrant will get up there and do practically a standup comedy routine during the unfortunate ad-lib opportunity at the beginning of Mass. Very confusing. Here we all are, ready to dedicate ourselves to worship, and now let's take a moment to chuckle about a pun, or how a visiting priest is a baseball fan.
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Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.
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It's true, Scott. Again, though, Fr. Mark Mary tends to avoid such frivolity when he presides at the televised Mass, and his homilies are actually quite good. He may be best known as the sidekick who often gets short shrift (i.e. cut off in mid-sentence) on LIFE ON THE ROCK, EWTN's Thursday-night show for young adults. Which, incidentally, is available on video, thus making this tangent on topic (!?)
Here he is to the right of Mother Angelica:
http://www.olamshrine.com/olam/images/friar_friarpriest&mother.jpg
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Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.
Many priests need to check the rubric: "The priest, or deacon, or other suitable minister may very briefly introduce the Mass of the day." So the ad-lib needs to have that focus. Too bad it often doesn't.
And it would be great if the "may" were observed and the "brief introduction" skipped.
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Here he is to the right of Mother Angelica:
I didn't know there was anybody to the right of Mother Angelica.
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Can you post a video of yourself hitting the rimshot?
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![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) Delightful! Ka-boom!
That Gouzes chant is beautiful, very much like Kievan chant.
Best wishes,
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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.
Come a bit farther north, JAC. The young priests coming out of St John's Seminary rarely indulge in that sort of thing. I'm now spoiled and it really jars me when we get an older priest who does the 'chat and joke' routine!
The horrible "song-leaders" alas, are still a problem, although some of us do our tiny bit by simply singing, carrying ourselves with quiet dignity, and refusing to wave our arms around in the air.
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You are indeed richly blessed. I didn't realize that things had improved that much in Boston!
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I can't vouch for what Boston gets - St John's only spits out a new priest or two per year (if that - there are none scheduled for next year and only our dear Deacon Paul this year). But I'm lucky enough to have been involved for many years now with the churches where most of the New Hampshire deacons and new priests do their apprenticing before being kicked off on their own.
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Originally posted by JArthurCrank:
Unfortunately, I can't be too harsh on the ETWN people for doing this since the rubrics allow ad-lib at the intro and seemingly everyone does it, in every parish that I have been a member of. I wish it would be abolished, along with the horrible "song-leaders," but a vain wish it seems to be.
Many priests need to check the rubric: "The priest, or deacon, or other suitable minister may very briefly introduce the Mass of the day." So the ad-lib needs to have that focus. Too bad it often doesn't.
And it would be great if the "may" were observed and the "brief introduction" skipped.
"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."
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"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."
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Welcome to my world. At least you get the invocation before this.
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"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."
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Welcome to my world. At least you get the invocation before this.
Thankfully - this doesn't happen everywhere, at the church I go to in London (with the 1 hour sermons) the priest uses the bit before the general confession to explain a little bit about the Sunday, where we are in the liturgical year and will somehow relate that to some kind of ancient tradition from the early church or will explain why that particular sunday is so special.
Can be quite interesting most times - sometimes can be a bit OTT.
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Many thanks for all of these.
Of course I'd seen some of the traditionalist and conservative ones before.
Best look at St Gregory's I've had.
It reinforces things I've said about them before...
Every few years somebody sends me their URL expecting me because of my theology and churchmanship to hate them.
I don't.
They may be wrong about some things.
But their heart is in the right place. Bright, creative people.
Of course I understand the criticism about eclecticism, the food court etc.
At times especially at the beginning of the video they capture the flavour of Orthodox and other Eastern worship - it even has an air of antiquity in the first scene!
And I see the parallels to traditional Anglo-Catholicism. Always did. The elaborate vesture and hardware, using unauthorised texts, seeking the mystical and so on. (Ritual rascality!)
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Max:
Goodmorning... my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today...
omg! That is awful! I am not a consumer or a tourist! I don't want him to be my priest today (so to speak), signposting his role in temporal terms, I want him to be the same priest he was yesterday and the day before, after the order of Melchizedek. When I worship, I want to enter into kairos. Stop trying to chain us to the temporal like supermarket greeters or tour guides, you bloody mediocrities!
There's a pewsheet for explanations and introductions. I wish they'd use it.
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"Good Morning and welcome to our Celebration today on the third Sunday of Easter, my name is Bob and I shall be your priest today and we will begin by confessing our sins..."
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Today we shall be trialling the latest altar-wine specially imported from Portugal and carrying the certficate of the Archbishop of Lisbon. We shall also be offering Holy Communion in one or both kinds, with optional gluten-free hosts. Please ask to see the menu for our special after-mass events and the children's liturgy. We hope you have a pleasant experience this mass; if you have any adverse comments please ask to see the Parish Priest or leave a message with one of the acolytes. Now please pay especial attention to the safety procedures in the case of apoplexy or sudden outbreaks of heresy....
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Fantastic, Angloid!
I'm waiting for 'Please fasten your seatbelts' while inwardly wishing for (myself) one of those ejector seats for undesirables as featured on the US UCC advertisements.
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St Paul's Orthodox Church, Houston, Texas.
This is a direct link that will download the file (9.13MB).
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Thank you, St. Bertelin! It's lovely!
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Check out this great moment in Holy Week liturgy in Chicago. It seems at least one bishop there approves of break dancing: Holy Week in Chicago
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Check out this great moment in Holy Week liturgy in Chicago. It seems at least one bishop there approves of break dancing: Holy Week in Chicago
Oh, be kind! Cardinal George suffered a painful yet minor fracture of the pelvis in that fall. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) He slipped on holy water.
I do admit to chuckling at the Dick Van Dyke Show theme's timing to the video, though. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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St Paul's Orthodox Church, Houston, Texas.
This is a direct link that will download the file (9.13MB).
I love the video, but I'm wondering (seriously, not being contrary here) what is really Orthodox about St Paul's? Everything looks traditional-Anglican to me. I may be dense. ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
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St Paul's Orthodox Church, Houston, Texas.
This is a direct link that will download the file (9.13MB).
I love the video, but I'm wondering (seriously, not being contrary here) what is really Orthodox about St Paul's? Everything looks traditional-Anglican to me. I may be dense.
I can't speak with any great authority but my understanding of Western Rite parishes under Antioch is that they usually fall into one of two camps. There are those who predominantly use the Mass of St Gregory, and follow the Roman tradition, and then there are those who predoninantly use the Mass of St Tikhon. The latter is of Anglican origin but modified to make it acceptable to Orthodoxy. It was Patriarch St Tikhon who petitioned the Holy Synod of Russia to allow this (before the jurisdictional chaos in America resulting from the Russian revolution). The Antiochians have expanded that tradition. (Personally, I don't like the St Tikhon liturgy for a number of reasons but it is authorised and so I'd have no problem going to it).
There's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )?
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[QBThere's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )? [/QB]
Just that so many things are done in the usual Anglican way. I know I'm conditioned to expect Orthodox liturgy to be bathed in exotic, other-worldly light (this is a good thing) and be just beyond my intellectual grasp (also good). I pretty well know what's going on in that video. Although I seem to have missed topless women. I was too busy wondering whether "Auntie Oaken" is the standard pronunciation of Antiochian. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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There's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )?
Just that so many things are done in the usual Anglican way. I know I'm conditioned to expect Orthodox liturgy to be bathed in exotic, other-worldly light (this is a good thing) and be just beyond my intellectual grasp (also good). I pretty well know what's going on in that video.
The question is, what did the usual Anglican way develop from? What are it antecedents? St Paul's is a Western - not Byzantine - rite parish, and so I'd expect to see Western worship forms there, with which somebody from the Western liturgical tradition (such as yourself) would be familiar.
I've been able to dig up this old post of mine, which may help give a better idea of the ideas behind the use of the St Tikhon Mass. I suppose that, while in Britain, we have the question of which Western traditions from our Orthodox past to use, in America, that question is different because it was never an Orthodox country, and its liturgical heritage is largely Catholic & Anglican in origin, so the answers are fairly straightforward. I suppose, on reflection, that it makes sense for Orthodox in America to adapt the Anglican services in a way that it perhaps doesn't here in Britain. Hmmm.
(Disclaimer: I mentioned in that post the martyrdom of St Tikhon. I have since read conflicting things about his death and haven't a clue what actually happened).
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I was referring to the notable absence of mantillas, hats, or headscarves.
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I was too busy wondering whether "Auntie Oaken" is the standard pronunciation of Antiochian.
Yes, now you've confused me as well. Over the past two years, I've worked out that when talking to Britons people, I should say Anti-okk-ian, and while talking to Americans, I should say Anti-oak-ian. You've completely blown my theory out of the water.
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Check out this great moment in Holy Week liturgy in Chicago. It seems at least one bishop there approves of break dancing: Holy Week in Chicago
Oh, be kind! Cardinal George suffered a painful yet minor fracture of the pelvis in that fall. He slipped on holy water.
I do admit to chuckling at the Dick Van Dyke Show theme's timing to the video, though.
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Yes, I was horrified when I saw this on the news at Easter time. It happened during the blessing of Easter baskets at one of the north side parishes on Holy Saturday morning. Cardinal George finished the liturgy like a trooper, but was then rushed to the hospital. He missed the Great Vigil of Easter, which I believe was celebrated by the Vicar General Bishop Rassas, and the Mass of Easter Day, which was covered by Bishop Lyne, a retired auxiliary bishop who celebrates weekly at Holy Name Cathedral anyway and served as the rector for years before his episcopal ordination.
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There's nothing in that video, though, that indicates to me which of those camps St Paul's falls into. What about it seems not Orthodox (apart from the topless women )?
Just that so many things are done in the usual Anglican way. I know I'm conditioned to expect Orthodox liturgy to be bathed in exotic, other-worldly light (this is a good thing) and be just beyond my intellectual grasp (also good). I pretty well know what's going on in that video.
The question is, what did the usual Anglican way develop from? What are it antecedents? St Paul's is a Western - not Byzantine - rite parish, and so I'd expect to see Western worship forms there, with which somebody from the Western liturgical tradition (such as yourself) would be familiar.
I've been able to dig up this old post of mine, which may help give a better idea of the ideas behind the use of the St Tikhon Mass. I suppose that, while in Britain, we have the question of which Western traditions from our Orthodox past to use, in America, that question is different because it was never an Orthodox country, and its liturgical heritage is largely Catholic & Anglican in origin, so the answers are fairly straightforward. I suppose, on reflection, that it makes sense for Orthodox in America to adapt the Anglican services in a way that it perhaps doesn't here in Britain. Hmmm.
(Disclaimer: I mentioned in that post the martyrdom of St Tikhon. I have since read conflicting things about his death and haven't a clue what actually happened).
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Yes, now you've confused me as well. Over the past two years, I've worked out that when talking to Britons people, I should say Anti-okk-ian, and while talking to Americans, I should say Anti-oak-ian. You've completely blown my theory out of the water.
There is an "inside" joke among some in other Orthodox jurisdictions which call them "Annie Oaklians" as many are converts from Southern Protestant backgrounds. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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We must be scrupulously precise in our use of ecclesial terms, especially in regard to rubric and ritual. Otherwise, we will not sound as though we take ancient ritual seriously. The present climate tells us that the "old time religion" is what is going to cure all ills in the decaying ediface of the Roman structure, and we certainly must give it a shot.
In regard to the Chicago Holy Week liturgy, one respondent posted: quote:
It happened during the blessing of Easter baskets at one of the north side parishes on Holy Saturday morning. Cardinal George finished the liturgy like a trooper...
Now, in examining the complete works of Fortescue, I find no reference to a liturgy for the Blessing of Easter Baskets. On the other hand, there has been a domestic custom of popular piety, more widely associated with the Eastern European cultures, where the simple faithful brought their foods prepared for the family Easter table to the church to be blessed. This is a beautiful custom. Anything which makes the connection between our family table and the Table of the Lord more emphatically expressed is worthy of our encouragement -- even if it is a lay person who originally had the idea.
The Blessing of Easter Foods (or perhaps there is a new blessing of Easter Baskets complete with bunnies and jelly beans -- if not, maybe it could be suggested to the USCCB) would be considered a para-liturgy , rather than a liturgy.
As to the fall of His Magnificence, do not all things have purpose in God's plan? Perhaps it is God's way of telling the Church that our dignitaries should be carried around in sedan chairs. These used to be used only for the pope. In our confusion and error at the time of evil, when the Church attempted to make sense, we not only re-called the supreme pontiff's sedan, we moved in the wrong direction altogether. We need more pomp not less? How about sedan chairs of a variety of sizes and appropriate colors for cardinals, cardinal bishops, cardinal deacons; less ornate sedans for bishops who are ordinaries of a diocese, simpler yet for titular bishops of places that don't exist anymore; the pageantry and safety of our stars is foremost -- sedans for monsignors! Three varieties of course. Simple presbyters, who have achieved the office of pastor and are able, should be encouraged to walk on stilts. Parochial vicars should roller skate.
Why else would George have taken the symbolic fall? Certainly it had nothing to do with obfuscation and preaching peace and wellness when there is none.
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Originally posted by Prudentius:
Why else would George have taken the symbolic fall? Certainly it had nothing to do with obfuscation and preaching peace and wellness when there is none.
Cardinal George had polio as a youth, and usually walks with a profound limp.
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Cardinal George is notoriously liberal with sprinklings and incensings. Perhaps the message to him is to use less water!
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and do a billion Catholics know they belong to a decaying Roman ediface??? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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I don't think Prudentius is capable of making a post about any subject, on any board, without taking a swipe at the "decaying edifice of the Roman Church".
Back to the Cardinal George tangent, though, yes, he suffered from polio as a child, and within the last year had surgery for cancer. These conditions I'm sure had an impact on his injury and recovery. God bless him and grant him many more years.
Blessing of the food or baskets on Holy Saturday is quite common in my neck of the woods, although not all parishes have them. The Polish and Portuguese and Hispanic parishes tend to do it, while the "Irish" ones tend not to.
I'm not sure what light, if any, that sheds on how much we're decaying round here.
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I'm late to this thread. That's to my regret.
That was the RC Cathedral of Leeds, right? If so, why a processional cross and not a processional crucifix? Or do my glasses need adjusting?
Also, I really like Farther Mark Mary of EWTN. He is a good preacher. Should we have a thread on why RC priests can't preach good sermons/homilies? I can count on one hand those that I have known who can preach good homilies and he is one of them.
I must say, that for all the criticism EWTN receives it does fill a void. God bless them. And have you ever seen a bunch of priests who make being a monk and priest so, well, hip?
Now, more videos, please. I need something to do at the office tomorrow.
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This video seems barely within the remit of this thread, but as the thread is on the verge of drifting to page two, I thought I'd take the chance.
In today's New York Times (about one third of the way down the page) you can catch a glimpse of the proper liturgical goings-on at Father Braxton's oratory for wayward girls (properly called Carmen's Place). What's to like? Celebration ad orientem, a proper chasuble (I bet he's got a maniple on!), a tabernacle, sanctuary lamp, incense, acolyte, votive lights, the works!
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One wonders if his congo is always that distracted, of if the presence of cameras caused the chaos behind him!
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The Silent Acolyte, any link or tips on what to search for at the New York Times, now that it's no longer today?
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