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Wet Kipper
Circus Runaway
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Andrew was shocked, but unsurprised.
Bright but unattentive was not a nice way to be known, even if it was accurate.
How he wished his family circumstances outside of the village didn;t rob him of paying attention to his fellow villagers, now that they needed to support one another.
He'd been wrong to follow the crowd once, and wrong not to have followed them at the next opportunity. surely he can't be wrong a third time?
He wasn't going to get involved in a ladies' tit for tat, nor would he vote for lynching himself, so he votes for Dalbhac
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Honestly now, Dalbhac, why must you always try to lynch Bo and Melindra? We've already conclusively seen that they're both innocent; you're not helping your case any by constantly nominating known innocents . . . again.
Someone get a rope while I'm still sober enough to tie the noose--or before the Brotherhood gets me.
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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Good gracious. I don't even get my hat removed when I find we are voting for a suspect to lynch. Again. Silly me, I thought that out of town wedding was today. It's actually tomorrow, and thank goodness I bought two new hats. (They were both beautiful, and very good bargains, too.)
The groom's family was kind enough to take me to a very nice dinner. Even after several goblets of an excellent wine, I'm sober enough to realize that the other townspeople are correct. Dalbhac has the appearance of a very guilty person.
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Banner Lady
Ship's Ensign
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Bo looked at the votes stacking up and decided to fire up the stove early. It looked like more pastries would be needed at the pub tonight. "Steak & Guiness pies tonight," she thought to herself; "and a few Bailey's Irish Cream Cheesecakes won't go amiss. This time I am going to be prepared."
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Imaginary Friend
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So, with nine votes, the village has decided to lynch Dalbhac Nuabha. He was a villager.
Dalbhac, please post a death scene if you would like, and then night will fall.
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Banner Lady
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"Bugger!" said Bo, as she pulled the tray of burnt pies out of the oven. "Bugger, bugger, bugger."
Then she sat down and cried.
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fletcher christian
Mutinous Seadog
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The gallows loomed up ahead of Dalbhac as he walked gingerly towards the rickety steps. Once on the platform a hood was placed over his head. Through the hessian he could see the sunlight twinkle like a million little stars through the tiny gaps. No life flashed before him, just the realisation of the present moment: the heat of his breath as the noose brought the hessian hood closer to his face, the feet shuffling around him, the smell of the hessian, the wind that softly touched his hands.
"Have you any last words?"
The voice was full of aggression.
Dalbhac could think of nothing else than Dave Bowman's accredited statement. He whispered quietly, but still audibly for those who stood next to him; 'My God, it's full of stars.'
A floating sensation greeted him. A sensation of sliding down a room that was slowly turning, his heels scraping furiously on the wood. A gust of pleasant wind and then an unpleasant jerk.
.......
Here endeth Dalbhac
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Staretz Silouan
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And with that, night falls. The villagers retreat to their places of rest, and a strange quiet descends. What will happen next?
If you have night actions, please PM me at your earliest convenience. Thanks. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Ship's Barnacle
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How sad, Dalbhac, to have you join the ranks of the ephemeral world. How could your fellow villagers do such a dreadful thing? ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Pax Romana
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"Oh now, she's gone too far," thought Kate Dominic as she furiously darted among the trees in the park. "It isn't enough that she helped snuff me out, she gloats over the public execution of poor Dalbhac, who wasn't even given the dignity of being stabbed to death under a bush like I was. How barbarous! I wish I could find Dalbhac. I would gladly allow him to haunt a section of my park."
Pax Romana
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Imaginary Friend
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Morning breaks, and once again Shipbury is relieved that no maids find employers in blood-soaked sheets and no paper-boys find subscribers collapsed in their front porches. All villagers are alive and kicking, and ready to go about the business of the day.
Nominations for lynching are now open, and once again we shall use the same procedures.
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Jay-Emm
Shipmate
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Jim wondered why the mafia seemed to be killing slowly, first they kidnap Andrew and now when the detective is out give another rest.
Clearly it was meant to send some signal but wheels within wheels...
who was left
Jim, Melindra (innocent according to Hugh), Hugh (outed Matilda), Alison,
Vivian, M Rachel, Bo(IATH))
Lillian, Andrew
Jim decided he would hope Hugh had lots of useful information (preferably someone guilty).
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Hugh had never quite been so keenly aware of English history as he was as he staggered out into the morning dew after a long night of fitful rest. If it hadn't been for some unknown Catholic family deciding to live in the area before the Reformation started and subsequently declining to leave, there would have never been a priest hole for Hugh to hide in. Suddenly, the odd little architectural curiosity that got shown to the guests (and used as a wine cellar) was being put to its old intended use once more.
Hugh was greeted by an enthusiastic Knut. "Come on, boy. We may as well let the village know we're still alive."
Knut lead the way into the sunlit village. It was a lovely early spring morning, with the crocuses finishing their run just in time for the daffodils to have their chance. The honey-colored stone of the high street glistened in the golden sunlight as the first early risers of the town went about their business. Few failed to notice the shaggy dog or the damp-footed landlord. Hugh decided that a bit of strong tea might be just the thing this morning. Of course, this would be easier if he hadn't helped to expose the proprietress of the former tea rooms, but that couldn't be helped.
Jim and Bo were just opening the co-op as Hugh stepped in the door.
"G'morning. Seems I won't be needing to cancel after all."
While Knut gnawed on a few scraps in the corner, the three humans shared some cheese scones and Assam; Hugh was quite glad for the strong tea after his long night. Before tucking himself away in his priest hole, he'd followed up a few leads on Andrew Thomas; though he was never quite able to determine what the old man's story was exactly, he was quite certain it had nothing to do with any shady criminal syndicates.
"Not the best result of a night's work," said Hugh as he wiped away the crumbs, "but it's something."
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Eliab
Shipmate
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I want everyone to read this very carefully, because it’s unorthodox, imaginative, and just a little bit utterly callous.
I think we’ve won at this point. If Hugh is the town’s second policeman (and it looks very much like he is) then we have FOUR known innocents. We also have reason to think that there are TWO killers left. And we have a pretty good lead on one of them: five people voted to save Matilda after the policeman fingered her, Matilda herself, Dalbhac, who was innocent and dumb, Melindra and Andrew, who clearly weren’t paying attention, and Jim – the only one of the five who still looks suspicious.
This is the point where I could nominate Jim. But I won’t. Because IF Hugh is right, at this point we have won anyway. We have the numbers of known innocents and strongly-suspected criminals that we go into the endgame with the killers simply outnumbered. And then we’ve won. It’s in the bag.
The only way we lose is if Hugh’s played us for a fool. If he took the chance that there was only one policeman at the start (not much of a chance, though – there are obviously two doctors if there were also two policeman then three killers would not have been well advised to take them on), claimed a role that no one else could expose, and fingered one of his own to provide cover. He could then declare his remaining accomplice innocent, and sit back while we lynch innocents. (In which case, Jim is probably innocent, and it would be a mistake to lynch him). The accomplice has perfect cover, because he or she can simply act in accordance with every other innocent person.
So my suggestion – and this is the callous bit – is that we lynch Hugh. It’s the only way to find out for certain if he’s telling the truth. If he’s the policeman, and I’ll say frankly that I think he is*, then it confirms everything he’s said and we’ll know that we’ve won. But on the off chance that I’m wrong, lynching him now will expose the plot, and give us an excellent chance of winning either way. And it has to be now, because if we’ve been played for suckers, it’ll do us no good at all to wait until Hugh has ‘cleared’ everybody, and we get one or two guesses at who his accomplice was before we’re all dead.
Hugh Northfield
(*I say that because my reading of Hugh suggests that the convoluted plot that he’d have to be following if he’s lying isn’t his style. But I say that with the caveat that if he has a criminal accomplice, he could be following their plan rather than his own.)
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Banner Lady
Ship's Ensign
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"Wheels within wheels" was what Dalbhac said before he died. This May be an oblique reference to Jim's surname. But the above post has absolutely convinced me that Alison is firmly working against the innocent. I trust that Hugh has been diligently sifting information since discovering Matilda's guilt. He avers that Melindra and Andrew are villagers. He certainly knows I am just a villager. I have been wrong about Leo and Dalbhac; but I am sure about Hugh. Alison is asking us to believe the unbelievable.
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Eliab
Shipmate
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No, I'm not asking you to believe Hugh is guilty. I don't even believe that myself. I think that he's right.
The point is, that if we lynch him we know that he's right. And we win. Or, on the narrow chance that you, and I, and everyone else have been successfully fooled, we find that out, and we still win.
I'm not asking you to be credulous. I'm asking you to be callous.
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Richard Dawkins
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Now wait just a second there, missie! I'd like to know exactly how you think knowing my party affiliation will assure you of a win over the BCS. It seems to me that knowing which team I bowl for won't help you that much (that is, even supposing that anyone here is clever enough to feed me this ruse I've been supposedly keeping up for so long), but, if you're convinced it will, I'll do a regular Viennese Waltz up the gibbet steps all on my own. So, do tell. How can you be so confident of victory over our local band of thugs when they're still at large?
On another note, as everyone seems to actually suspect him on substantive rather than tactical grounds . . . Jim Cartwright, you should make some sort of accounting of yourself.
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Jay-Emm
Shipmate
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Jim started to assemble his defence.
He had been paranoid about Hugh, and not followed his lead, he could understand people suspecting his motives but that theory left him only (undiscovered) mafia to try and save his ally.
As he wrote he wondered whether Alison's argument was really the best way.
Assuming the Detective case.
4 specialists seemed to imply 4 or 5 mafia (3/4 left_assuming 3), 4 known innocents, 2 under suspicion.
2 known innocents later (3,2,2), strongly outnumbered? Even assuming the best that leaves the next night (2,1,2).
Was there something he was missing?
Although going for the opposite was not much better-(3,3,1) 3*(2,2,1)+1*(3,2,0)
In the case of 4 mafia, an innocent death=instant tesco's.
(So if the Detective was the detective)
It seemed left to a random vote of 6. (2 of us can exclude ourselves). Unfortunately this included Jim. He reflected that he (and one other) would be natural choices for the mafia to lynch, but he was facing an accusation* by the detective. Could he convince them that leaving him alive upped the odds? He'd have to wait and see if he'd have to run through every alternative and considering every character (which I am willing to do but will be a _long_ post).
*I think Hugh is making the inquiry on spec, (for obvious reasons).
If Hugh is claiming it on knowledge then can he be explicit, for the tomorrows lynching.
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Eliab
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
I'd like to know exactly how you think knowing my party affiliation will assure you of a win over the BCS.
If you’re innocent – as I think you are – it makes no difference at all. You did absolutely the right thing to declare your role, and you have saved the town from the evil conservationists. Well done. We are very grateful. But we don’t need you any more.
But if you’re fooling us, we need to know that as soon as possible, because right now that’s the only way we can lose. We’ll get you either way – at some point you’ll run out of unknown suspects and will either have cleared everyone, including your accomplice, or accused an innocent, and then it will be obvious you steered us wrong. The point is, we need to know that now, rather than at the end, so that we get a chance at your accomplice which is better than a coin toss.
Sorry, it’s as cold-blooded as all hell – I am almost sure that you are innocent, but the chance of your being guilty is now the most serious threat of losing that we face, so it makes sense to guard against it.
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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
4 specialists seemed to imply 4 or 5 mafia (3/4 left_assuming 3), 4 known innocents, 2 under suspicion.
2 known innocents later (3,2,2), strongly outnumbered? Even assuming the best that leaves the next night (2,1,2).
Was there something he was missing?
There’s a lot that is quite obviously missing from your analysis, but, with all due respect, since I believe that in all probability you are a sneaky, duplicitous, knife-happy, venom-spewing, kidnapping, reactionary, murdering, Luddite slime-bag, if you really are failing to see it, I’m not about to help you out.
I like the Freudian slip here, though:
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In the case of 4 mafia, an innocent death=instant tesco's.
The criminals, my friend, are trying to prevent us having civilised access to cut-price crates of cheap lager and buy-one-get-one-free ready meals. That’s the whole sodding point. It’s us, the innocents, who want Tescos built.
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Imaginary Friend
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# 186
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Okay, this is your 24 hour warning of the vote. If you have any more thoughts on who the dastardly BCS are, please share them soon!
I shall call the vote at approximately lunchtime (Central) on Thursday.
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Brian Clough
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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Ms. Lillian sat on a park bench feeding the birds. And thinking. What if Alison, that reporter lady is right? What if Hugh is right? And what about Melindra and Vivian having a little cat fight to put us off the scent?
And why is Hugh acting so guilty all of a sudden?
The birds fluttered and strutted around Ms. Lillian's feet. It was peaceful and a very nice day to be out. But, is it safe? Daylight seems to offer some protection...but an old lady's bones need something more substantial. A determined spirit, and hopefully a chance for safety.
Hugh Northfield
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Jay-Emm
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quote:
I like the Freudian slip here, though:
Whoops..I'd forgotten what the mafia stood for.
Am I right in thinking your plan is to lynch Hugh expecting him to be the detective, then me (as the 'most suspicious'*), then who do you think is the remaining mafia?
(yourself, vivian, rachel, lillian) with the surrivor of [andrew, melina and Bo]
Or do you think the mafia will helpfully narrow down the options by hitting the unknowns?
You've argued that the villagers would win without Hugh..but skimmed over justifying it.
Then you say I'm in all probability mafia but the risk of the corrupt detective is the biggest threat.
It seems a bit suspicious to me, maybe it's because I can assume my innocence so know it definitely leaves 2+ mafia into the final days, that I can't see why this is a good expected result but if that is so then I'd like real explaination.
In short if Bo wasn't accusing Eliab then Jim would.
*At this point I'll assume you really think I'm mafia so you expect one mafia to remain.
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Jay-Emm
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[edit] biggest threat. Which I can understand if you thought Hugh was 50% guilty, but not if you were sure he was innocent.
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Joyeux
Ship's Lady of Laughter
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Confused by all of the "do they know that we know that they know that we know..." logic going around, Melindra pauses for what she thinks is a simple question:
Who has been nominated for this round's vote? Are we still nominating or voting??
Melindra, in need of clarity, decides to take an almost-nap in the sunshine in front of her home.
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Imaginary Friend
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quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
Who has been nominated for this round's vote? Are we still nominating or voting?
We're currently nominating, defending and discussing. Voting will begin tomorrow.
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Brian Clough
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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quote:
Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
quote:
Originally posted by Joyeux:
Who has been nominated for this round's vote? Are we still nominating or voting?
We're currently nominating, defending and discussing. Voting will begin tomorrow.
Little old lady brain bubble from me. I jumped the gun a bit. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
Sorry.
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Imaginary Friend
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I think that the village has had long enough to deliberate.
We shall now vote. There are four options:- Lynch Hugh Northfield, as nominated by Alison Eliab;
- lynch Alison Eliab, as nominated by Bo Langton;
- lynch Jim Cartwright, as nominated by Hugh Northfield;
- no lynching
As there are currently nine villagers still alive, five votes are needed to secure a lynching.
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Brian Clough
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Jay-Emm
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Jim decided not to commit suicide and was more certain of the detective than Alison.
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jedijudy
Organist of the Jedi Temple
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For the reasons above:
Hugh Northfield
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Imaginary Friend
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la vie en rouge PMed me to say that she will only have limited internet access until Sunday, and asked me to be her proxy for this vote.
Therefore it is my duty to inform you that Vivian Rudge votes for Jim Cartwright.
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Joyeux
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"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!" Melindra finally gave up pacing and wringing her hands and sat down. This inactivity lasted for only as long as was needed for her to finish putting her shoes on, and verify that they were a matching pair. She headed outside, walking, as always, toward the town centre. Thankful that dear Ms. Rudge had found a reliable substitute to run her cozy hotel, Melindra entered, and ordered refreshments to help her process the options.
*Alison suggested Hugh because of a belief that he is probably innocent. I daresay that might make sense to some, but it seems dreadfully illogical to me.
*Bo nominated Alison because of Alison's "asking us to believe the unbelievable."
*Hugh nominated Jim, for reasons that I don't fully understand.
"Hmmm... Hugh knows that I'm a villager, and announced that, and although he seems to be the one to know about everything else in my life, he has been good enough not to call in the gossip mongers, so I ought to be doubly grateful to him. However, I don't know if that gratitude should stretch to following his lead. If I accept that he has substantial information, and is in a position to know, instead of guessing really well, I would certainly be a fool to vote for his death. But if I accept that he is in that position, doesn't it also make me a fool not to vote for the person he's selected?" Melindra sips her tea, musing at the fact that she has yet to make tea at home taste quite this good. Maybe Ms. Lillian could provide some coaching on this front? She shake her head and continues.
"It seems as though I still have to decide between three choices... too bad coins have only two sides! I have to suspect the person who wants to put away our detective... Alison."
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Banner Lady
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Bo had her doubts about Jim. But maybe that was because he never cleaned under the fridges properly. She wasn't privy to Hugh's latest thought processes, so she went with her initial nomination, hoping that this time she would choose one of the guilty party. She knew she didn't have a great track record in this, but Alison's logic seemed like a complete snow job. "Brrrr", thought Bo. "She's a cold one, all right. Alison Eliab is the one I'm voting for."
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Eliab
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Just myself and three others to vote, and I'm the favoured candidate at the moment. All the remaining voters need to agree in order to lynch anyone but me. So at this point, I'd expect the doubtful to vote for me just to be sure of getting anyone.
That means I need to say what I hoped to keep secret. Lynching me would be a terrible mistake because I am the doctor.
That's why I could be so certain that if Hugh is proven innocent, we are sure to win - as Jim's (partial) analysis demonstrates, to stand any chance of victory at all at this point, the BCS will soon only be able to afford to target known innocents, which I am not (yet). And as I can protect them, this means we clear up the guilty faster than they can take us out.
I'm pretty certain that Jim is guilty and that Vivian is innocent (if I'd been guilty I'd have killed her straight away and would expect her to do the same to me if the reverse was true), and I know that I am, but even if one of those is a mistake we can afford it. That's why I think it is absolutely safe to dispose of Hugh and thereby be sure that everything he said was true.
But if I'm killed today, Hugh will just die tonight anyway because he's unprotected. And we go into the endgame without doctor or detective - very likely to win but not cast-iron certain.
The biggest risk is still that Hugh has fooled us all*. But if the people yet to vote aren't convinced of that, it would be better to see off Jim who looks guilty, rather than me, because however it plays out, I'm likely to save at least one more life before the end.
(*and I perceive a greater risk of that than the rest of you - because I've been diligently protecting myself every night, being more sure of my own innocence than anyone else's. The BCS tried for me last night, just as (from Dan's final words) it looks like he was protecting himself up to the point that he switched his attention to Hugh. So if the BCS either know something about Hugh that we don't, or chose to hunt for another doctor rather than take him out last night after getting Dan).
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Richard Dawkins
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Gwai
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Old Miss Rachel sighed. "Well, I do find that persuasive. 'Course, the woman could be lying. I've certainly never been treated by her, but I don't have any reason to think she's lying, we do have a doctor around somewhere and lord knows we need all the doctors we can get.
Still, if you were a doctor, couldn't you have done something about my cough? I must say I think it pretty scummy of you not to! I'd blackball you promptly, but I live far too hard to blackball the town's only doctor!
Of course, if I do not agree to lynch Allison, there is no point my voting for anyone. Because we don't have a chance of lynching anyone else today. Still, Jim's' focus on Allison makes me extremely suspicious. I begin to think that he may have a reason for wanting to get rid of Allison. (And yes, I am fully aware that now those who want to lynch Allison Eliab now have reason to come lynch poor old Miss Rachel. If you do? Well, I have an excellent dying curse I've been wanting to use and I'm an old woman anyway.)"
With that, she turned away and asked her nurse to push her wheelchair out to the pond. "I think I need some quiet time" she said. But to herself she muttered one more thing. "I just can't believe I said no to a lynching."
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Jay-Emm
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In the interests of honesty the score stands at;
3 votes for Alison (I, Bo Melinda)
1 vote for Hugh (JediJudy)
2 votes for me (Vivian, Rachel)
3 votes remain (Hugh, Alison and Andrew), I presume I can count on Alison's vote) so if Hugh and Andrew both vote for me I can still die.
In which case I think you actually still has a reasonable chance of survival, (3 known innocents) and a field of 4 (with at least 2 mafia to choose from and hopefully at least one innocent).
Hey, I can get revenge for the Freudian Slip:
I don't think voting for the 'doctor' is a valid vote.
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well, it'd be interesting to see if I'll be wrong, again thought Andrew, voting for Jim and standing back to see what happened next.
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I know I'm innocent, but thinking about it as Alison says she's the surgeon, then it's better that I go than her. I'm still think her plans rubbish and wonder how she thinks it will work.
However when you find I am an innocent villager, and realise you have 2/3* mafia amongst, who do you think is the innocent person/people out of Vivian, Rachel, Lilian and Andrew. If after my death your no wiser maybe it would be worth letting me live.
*In the case of 4 mafia we've pretty much lost even if no lynching unless Eliab is very lucky.
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Bo's head was beginning to hurt. It was possible (entirely possible) that the three people nominated were all innocent. That 2 of those nominated were claiming to be not only innocent but protectors of the village made this even worse. One of those nominated wanted to take out other innocents in order to "win".
Secretly, Bo thought Alison had had a few too many vodka lunches lately. She wondered whether Hugh and Alison would take out Jim, or if there would be no lynching at all. If all those nominated WERE innocent, and Andrew, as avowed by Hugh is also innocent; then we actually know who the three mafioso remaining are (if there are three). But it still doesn't mean the villagers have won.
"Gosh" thought Bo. " If we are voting at the moment for three innocent villagers, then...Those little old ladies are EVIL!"
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Hugh really, really wasn't sure about what he was doing.
He had never really doubted Allison's innocence, even if she did seem to be putting forth a case for why he ought to be noosed; only a truly gutsy mafiosa would make an outright and far-fetched call for the town informant to be lynched when such a plan could so easily backfire. If Allison really was the doctor (which seemed to make sense under the circumstances), then the only way to kill her would be via lynching; it seemed to Hugh that only someone absolutely convinced of the obviousness of her own blamelessness would ever make such a bold accusation as she had.
Jim, on the other hand, seemed to be just a bit fishy to Hugh. Hugh noticed that he had never really ever given any substantive reasons for his innocence and had only recently said out-and-out that he was not part of the Brotherhood; there seemed to be a bit of misdirection going on before dishonesty for the sake of preserving his life.
Then again, all of this was merely hunches and conjecture. Hugh went over his packed kit once more as he readied himself for flight again.
If voting is mandatory, though . . . Jim, I'm sorry, but I believe you to be part of the Brotherhood.
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"Hell and damnation" curses Alison. "Jim picks now, of all times, to start sounding like an innocent man."
She sighs. As a journalist she is used to forming conjectures about people's behaviour, and, where the story requires, has never been shy of simply inventing a plausible motive. But sometimes, it's possible to read someone so well as to know what lies behind their deeds.
Those last few words sound uncomfortably innocent. And when Alison gets a feeling about a story like this, she is painfully aware that she is not often wrong. Quite often, she can't read someone at all, and frequently forms a provisional, but uncertain, judgement ... but to misread them completely? It doesn't happen.
The safe thing to do is to put Jim in the ground. No doubt about it. Anything else will look, well, odd to say the least. But if he's innocent ...
And, unlike Hugh, if he is, then his death tells us absolutely nothing about anyone else. There's no practical reason to kill him if he's known not to be guilty.
"I'm going to need to think about this one..." she sighs, and takes a deep shot of vodka to see if that helps the decision.
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And, unlike Hugh, if he is, then his death tells us absolutely nothing about anyone else. There's no practical reason to kill him if he's known not to be guilty.
I'd been hoping to get in between Hugh and you, to tell you...you're actually wrong
The good news is I was petrified of there being 4 mafia, but then you'd have no compulsion so you'll go into the end game a minority.
Jim put on his uniform, brushed the dust of the maltese cross of the St John's logo and put it on.
Murderer of Dr Brown, Assassin of Kate, attempted murderer of Dan*, attempted murderer of Hugh**
does your worst.
(hope that makes it easier for you)
*I'm not actually sure about that as I nominated him for saving the night before he died, and there were no deaths, he could have saved the real victim, but Eliabs comment about him saving himself suggests probably he was the intended.
**Again the mafia could have conveniently missed a stabbing, but he was nominated the second time all villagers were saved.
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Well I found that almost incomprehensible.
This:
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Jim put on his uniform, brushed the dust of the maltese cross of the St John's logo and put it on.
is probably a role claim. But if so, now would be a dumb time to make it. Jim's spoken several times in a vote in which he was clearly at risk - why wait until the last vote? Especially if he doesn't trust me.
The chances of their being three doctors is, well, remote. Which means I'm least like of all to believe his claim. But conversely, if Jim were telling the truth, he was hardly likely to believe me. So why didn't he call me on it? It makes no sense.
But this:
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I nominated him [Dan] for saving the night before he died, and there were no deaths
is certainly untrue. Dan's last words imply as clearly as possible that he had been protecting himself, and when Hugh declared, had switched focus. Which makes sense. But if Jim were the doctor, why would he guard Dan? No one knew that Dan was innocent then. What possible reason could a doctor have to guard anyone other than themselves unless and until there's a declared policeman to defend?
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Murderer of Dr Brown, Assassin of Kate, attempted murderer of Dan*, attempted murderer of Hugh** does your worst. (hope that makes it easier for you)
I read that as being a confession the first time I read it, but I think it should be "do your worst!" and is an accusation.
Which again is strange, because I'd just said I was thinking Jim was innocent, and was strongly considering not voting to lynch him. I'm trying to work out whether there's any combination of Jim being innocent villager, innocent doctor, or guilty criminal, and thinking me villager, doctor or criminal, where it makes even the remotest sense for him to goad me into finishing him off. I can't.
Balls to it. I was agonising over whether to save Jim's life on the basis that I was thinking he was innocent, at the cost of looking decidedly dodgy if I screwed up a vote I'd previously been in favour of. After such a confused, and at least partly untrue, response, I'm not inclined to stick my neck out. Frankly, in the end-game, I'm too useful, and we just don't need Jim alive in order to win.
Besides, I have a reputation as a cold-blooded bitch to consider.
Jim
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Originally posted by Eliab:
Well I found that almost incomprehensible.
...I read that as being a confession the first time I read it, but I think it should be "do your worst!" and is an accusation.
As Jim was marched away, confused villagers looked at the letter dropped.
"Regarding the comprehensibility. Sorry, It should be read as you've rendered it. It was meant to sound dramatic. It failed."
The letter continued
"After your insinuations and plan, I was already becoming suspicious. Then you went and claimed my occupation. Doubts changed to certainty. Yet what could I do. Who would believe my claim to be Spartacus. I choose to hope justice would work it's way, but then Andrew voted against me, and then Hugh."
"Then I thought whatever I'll do I'll be under constant suspicion, and just as likely to waste a valuable lynch tomorrow. Let's narrow your options. I trust you will use this time wisely and consider repentance. Jim"
Meanwhile the intended recipient, was taking Jim to the gallows. He was positive that the mafia were among the lynchers. Even at this late juncture he wasn't sure of who else (Lillian, Vivian or M Rachel).
As he went he thought he saw a grey shade weeping, as his neck was placed in a noose they became more solid, one was jeering at him. As he dropped they gained colour and body, but the world faded to a blur.
(death scene over)
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And Shipbury lynches another of its inhabitants. I am sorry to say that the late Jim Cartwright was a doctor.
Night falls.
If you have night actions, please PM me now.
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Hugh knew that the Brotherhood was on to him. He suspected that Allison would be the village's next target, after her deceitful ruse ended up leading to the lynching of the town's last medic; no need to investigate her before leaving town. Another night in Miss Rachel's priest hole was out; though he was certain that some of the old ladies in Shipbury were up to no good, Hugh knew that all she really wanted was a better view of the lynchings . . .
Hugh was sad to be leaving the Angel and Greyhound, perhaps to never see it again. It had been his life for these many long years; he had fought the breweries that wanted to tie him, had resisted the wiles of the government, had even held out against the forces of crass commercialization and trendiness--but a group of thugs had managed to do what not even the assembled armies of Fuller's, the BBC and Parliament could not. He walked Knut over to Bo's house, hoping that, this time, the dog would find a good home. Hugh couldn't stop to say goodbye to his old friend; time was already of the essence, and he had no idea if he was being followed.
Hugh boarded his train to London with hardly a moment left to spare. He watched wistfully as the few lights of his home fell behind the carriage, this disappeared beyond the dark hills. One day, perhaps, things would be safer and the Angel could reopen, but he knew things would never be the same. So many of his friends and regular customers, those people he had shared many long nights with, from whom he had heard every heartbreak and triumph, had haggled with nightly over the never-changing price of the same pint . . .
It was all gone now.
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Hugh looked up to see Brumel's arches above him as the train pulled into the station. He was far from the first man to have to give up the peaceful and regular life of the English countryside to make a new life in a strange land; Hugh only hoped he was up to the task. He made his way through the crowd, trying to get to the Underground (hopefully without attracting notice, in case the BCS still had agents after him), then off to St. Pancras and Brussels. From there? Hugh though Brugges might be a nice place to settle down; a bit touristy, perhaps, but Shipbury wasn't exactly "locals only," now was it? Plus, perhaps having the occasional countryman join him for a beer might be nice after all . . .
He threaded his way towards the Eurostar terminal, past the bomb-sniffing cocker spaniels. Even if he hadn't been thinking about the new life he was about to begin, it would have been unlikely that he would have noticed the figure perched in the girders above the gallery; none of the many patrolling officers did. As Hugh walked down the long station platform, taking a last, long look at the architecture, breathing his last few breaths of English air, the assassin acted. Hugh was dead almost before he heard the sound of the gun used to kill him. He certainly never heard the screams of terror as his body collapsed on the station floor.
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"How strange," thought Bo as she rounded the corner of the farm house with a basket of freshly collected eggs. Knut was tied to the side fence, and whimpering loudly. There was a key tied to his collar with a tag which read LOOK AFTER THE DOG & ANGEL TIL I GET BACK, HUGH.
"You poor thing," said Bo. "Let's walk you home." The sky was rumbling ominously by the time she got to The Angel. The only one they passed was Miss Lillian, who was hurrying in the opposite direction. Knut's hackles went up and he began barking wildly. Miss Lillian looked alarmed, and it was with difficulty that Bo got him inside and settled by the fire in his usual spot. She stroked his head soothingly. "There, there, we don't like Miss Lillian, do we?" It suddenly occurred to her that Miss Lillian was in the pub the night there had been a most foul poisoning, and she had voted to lynch Hugh before the voting was even open. Bo nodded at Knut. Miss Lillian is looking very guilty right now.
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Ms. Lillian was enjoying the park again. The birds were contentedly strutting, cooing and chirping. She threw out another handful of seeds and bread crumbs. Oh Dear!! "I had promised Hazel that I would be home early for the special dinner she was preparing!"
Ms. Lillian rose stiffly and walked toward home and what was sure to be a delightful meal. (Isn't Hazel just a treasure?) She hurried along, almost getting run over by a big, mean looking dog that was dragging Bo through the streets. "I swear that looks like the same dog that was chasing the birds last week!" She hoped he wouldn't hurt that nice lady, as he was fairly galloping with her hanging on behind.
With all the sadness of the past few days, Ms. Lillian only wanted to be in her home right now. A good meal and a little glass of wine would make the picture much brighter. Perhaps it would be good to pick up the local paper to see if anything interesting has been happening.
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(I take it nominations are open? In which case...)
And once again I face my nemesis…
Vivian goes out around town and plasters up posters inviting everyone to a public meeting in the evening in the hotel dining room (she has a couple of guests but she figures she can shunt them into the bar). When she gets to the meeting, she's pleased to see a good crowd and suitably Hercule Poirot-ish atmosphere...
Alison Eliab you sly dog, you almost got away with it. Unfortunately for you there are no way three doctors in a town this small and you have overstretched your evil self.
(Furthermore, unless the rules of the game have changed, doctors are not allowed to protect themselves, as you claim to have been doing. I therefore call on you telling pointless lies)
(Oh, and I'm kicking myself for not realising that the kidnapping trick must have been you as well. Credit where credit's due, only someone like you could have come up with it ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) )
You, lady, are a killer and you going to be hanged by the neck before nightfall. I have the perfect tree in the hotel grounds <goes to fetch a noose>.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
(Furthermore, unless the rules of the game have changed, doctors are not allowed to protect themselves, as you claim to have been doing. I therefore call on you telling pointless lies)
Dan Ffloyd's ghost, passing by, wanted to correct this. Doctors can protect themselves. Whether Dan was protecting himself consistently, Dan cannot possibly comment - but he thought some people might have guessed at the truth at the time.
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