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Thread: Circus: Hymns of Babel
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Hennah
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The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
Genesis 11:6-7, NIV.
So, once this had happened, what were they singing in Babel? Here's how to find out.
Pick a hymn. Preferably a reasonably well-known one, or the game will be impossible. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif) Type the first verse into Google Translate (the "translate text" box). Delete all punctuation. Delete any proper nouns (people or places), but leave any Jesuses, Gods, Christs, etc.
Then translate the text from English into another language of your choice. And from that to another (easiest to copy and paste the translated text back into the box). And from that to another. Repeat as many times as you like until you are satisfied that "Shine, Jesus, Shine" is equally as irritating in Latvian.
Once it's been through at least three languages, translate back into English. Copy and paste here. Players try to identify what the original hymn was, first correct answer posts the next one.
A couple of examples to get the idea:
The family has risen conquering son of Glory is a never-ending victory o'er death hast thou to win the light angel rolled the stone away to keep clothes folded clothes to the grave where the body of your son is the glory risen conquering thousands are endless with victory o'er death, you've won
Thine Be The Glory via Maltese, Indonesian and Estonian
It is in the light of love, the darkness is our true glory of Jesus shining in the arson fire my spirit shining light of Jesus shining in the world that are open Kio Migaku bring shine with their parents during a fire of flood flow to the country grace and mercy, our hearts glow fill the earth, light, send the word of God
This is Shine, Jesus, Shine via Catalan, Chinese and Bulgarian
If no-one gets it after 24 hours, a clue can be given by the setter (a date, metre, composer, usage, etc)
Any questions? An easyish one start us off:
Thousands of my vision of God in my heart all for nothing for me to save thousands of the best thought of thousands of art during the day and night, waking and sleep in my presence my light
(via Greek, Lithuanian and Swedish)
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Mamacita
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This has to be "Be Thou My Vision," one of my favorites.
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Angel Wrestler
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via Slovak, Hindi, Italian:
Immortal, invisible God, the wise
Inaccessible to our eyes the light of the skin
Most, most, the great old days of the blessed
Almighty, victorious, your name great praise.
(too easy, but it's amazing how accurate it is through three such different languages!)
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Mamacita
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[Hennah -- was I correct? If so, am I next?]
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Hennah
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Mamacita, absolutely, please do!
(and seeing as Angel Wrestler's was easy!)
It seems to make it a bit more scrambled if you take it through a language that doesn't use Western characters... chinese, hebrew, greek, etc...
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Mamacita
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Via Turkish, Catalan, and Greek:
A world of love for the divine love in heaven sevinci outside. We all faithful mercy crown Edit moderate housing.
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Seelenbräutigam
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Is it from Charles Wesley’s Love Divine, All Loves Excelling?
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Mamacita
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Yes! (And when sung to Hyfrydol, my favorite hymn.)
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Seelenbräutigam
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A most wonderful hymn it is, Mamacita. And now here’s another, via Czech, Chinese, Croatian, and Catalan:
Shangri-La [proper name] praise Dell
Reign in my disc;
This eternal opportunities
We love Dell;
Lord, I am a great
Shangri-La land and every letter, Virginia, El Salvador cell confesses:
Arc and bless the name of
centuries Beneit pixels.
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Seelenbräutigam
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Any guesses?
(Hint: Both the text and the tune found their inspiration in another, non-Christian hymn.)
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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God Bless America?
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Hennah
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Is the first word of the original "heaven"?
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Seelenbräutigam
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No, it’s not God Bless America, nor is the word heaven in the first line, though it does come later in the verse.
Another hint: Though Hebrew’s not one of the languages I ran it through, that IS the language of the earlier hymn that serves as a basis for this one.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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I think you've got us all stumped. Please, what translate as Shangri-La and Dell?
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Seelenbräutigam
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Dell is, in some strange world, equivalent to God. (Effective marketing, perhaps?)
I’m puzzled myself about where Shangri-La came from. The same goes for the cryptic references to Virginia and El Salvador. They don’t seem to translate back to anything directly, at least.
And if I clue you in to the omitted proper name, I think you’ll be well on your way to figuring out the puzzle. It's Abraham.
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Gracious rebel
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Could it be 'The God of Abraham praise'?
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Gracious rebel
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OK then, my turn. This is trickier than I thought (to make it hard to solve) - I've gone via 4 languages (hindi, hungarian, maltese, arabic) and I think its still rather an easy one! No shangri-la here I'm afraid!
Oh, my God, this is the foundation of your holy Excellent word of faith, which is planned More than that can tell you what Shelter you Jesus, for he had
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Gracious rebel
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Is anyone waiting for a clue, as 24 hours have passed, or is there just nobody following this now?!
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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We're following -- it's just so gosh darn HARD! Yes, a clue, please.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Wait a minute . . . is it "How Firm a Foundation"?
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Gracious rebel
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Yes, that's it. Over to you.
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Gracious rebel
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just an aside, after reading up the thread in more detail, what a fantastically quirky translation came out of 'Love Divine' - the line 'fix in us thy humble dwelling' ended up as 'edit moderate housing'....isn't that just brilliant? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Walking around the green hills of England after an hour old, I saw England's pleasant and personable Holy Lamb of God.
English > Hungarian > Japanese > Hebrew > English
[I think Google Translation is getting better as a result of our taxing it with this game.]
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kingsfold
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Well, that can only be Jerusalem.
And did those feet in ancient time, walk upon England's mountain green. And was the Holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pasture seen.
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kingsfold
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Assuming I was right... next one:
During the night of doubt and pain.
I think the country during the last pilgrimage group to allow expected to sing a song
[that went English-Estonian-Bulgarian-Thai-Lithuanian-Hindi-Dutch-English, because I could!]
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And in that light of life I'll walk 'til travelling days are done
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Dormouse
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Through the night of doubt and sorrow
Onward goes the pilgrim band,
Singing songs of expectation,
Marching to the promised land.
Perhaps?
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kingsfold
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Indeedy. So you get to set the next one.
[ 03. August 2009, 15:37: Message edited by: kingsfold ]
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Dormouse
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He said that the soul of a great God!
A voice of the soul to allow the blessings of the Id is
By way of Dutch,Chinese,Indonesian,Galician and Hindi.
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Dormouse
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Interestingly, going back the other way gave me:
He said that the soul is a great God!
The identity of the voice, the spirit of Berka
which is just as unhelpful!
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Jengie jon
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I am going to regret this but
I think it is:
Tell out my soul by Timothy Dudley-Smith
Jengie
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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quote:
Originally posted by kingsfold:
Assuming I was right
Yes, you were right, but my pronouncement doesn't seem to have mattered.
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Hennah
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quote:
Originally posted by Dormouse:
the spirit of Berka
I'm going to invoke the spirit of Berka. She sounds like fun. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Dormouse
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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
I am going to regret this but
I think it is:
Tell out my soul by Timothy Dudley-Smith
Jengie
Yes it is! Well done - I'm not sure I'd've got it!
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Jengie jon
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This one is through English-Spanish-Arabic-German-Thai - Ukraine and back to English.
The first two lines are:
quote:
I said that I do not want to sponsor.
He makes me lie down.
I will keep the next two lines incase of difficulty.
Jengie
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Offeiriad
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Sorry to interrupt, but Google does splendid things when translating Mozarabic Compline from Spanish into English from the website 'La Ermita'. How's this for an incoherent anthem?
A CRT of God, remember that you received the sacred dew on the source and the bathroom, you're marked by the anointing. When, calling you to sleep, go to your chaste bed, make the sign of the cross check your forehead and place of your heart.
L cross to fend off any lack of cross fleeing the darkness, a soul devoted to such a sign never goes off the track. Lejos of here, oh far!, Monstrosities of erratic dreams! Far from here on the stubborn impostor cunning!
Oh twisted serpent that meanders through a thousand and winding regret cheating hearts at ease, Márchate, Christ is here! Here is Christ, esfúmate! The signal that it condemns know your hordes.
P or more than the exhausted body yazga reclined only a short while, however the same dream we believe in Christ.
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Offeiriad
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quote:
I said that I do not want to sponsor.
He makes me lie down.
It must be 'The Lord's my shepherd', mustn't it?
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Jengie jon
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It is.
Your go.
Jengie
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Offeiriad
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Google is just too good to be fun these days, but here is a fairly opaque last verse from English via Filippino and Indonesian...
Love
And a series with the angels
Lord of heaven and earth,
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Any thoughts?
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Angel Wrestler
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It doesn't fit line per line, but is it, "Holy, Holy, Holy?"
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Seelenbräutigam
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“Praise God, from Whom All Blessing Flow,” perhaps?
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Offeiriad
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Clue: they tried to dig up the author of this hymn recently, but couldn't find anything worth having....
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Offeiriad
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And I did say it's the last verse.....
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Angel Wrestler
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quote:
Originally posted by Angel Wrestler:
It doesn't fit line per line, but is it, "Holy, Holy, Holy?"
The last verse was what I was guessing for in Holy Holy Holy. "All thy works shall praise thy name on earth and sky and sea ..." then the last line, "God in three persons, blessed trinity."
But ... I have no clue. Who did they try to dig up???
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Leetle Masha
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Could it be John Henry Newman's "Firmly I believe and truly"?
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Offeiriad
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Yes it is - congratulations!
They tried to exhume Newman to move him to the Oxford Oratory, but he had apparently crumbled to nothing.
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Leetle Masha
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Thanks, Oferyas! Would you be willing to choose someone else to carry on the game, though? I can't seem to get my computer to manage the google translators properly--it fails to copy the various languages that are written from right to left.
Don't know what's wrong.... ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Offeiriad
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A volunteer would be better, especially as I don't know who is still playing - somebody may have gone off to get a cup of tea, or, given the speed of this game, even maybe to get a life....!
Any lurkers who haven't had a go yet?
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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All right, then. Miss Amanda is back in.
Our ancestors, the lines, fire and Geomedia and my God, how high, the heart of our faith and life with joy when the click tribute!
English > Czech > Korean > Bulgarian > Turkish > Galician > Vietnamese > English
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Angel Wrestler
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quote:
Originally posted by Leetle Masha:
Could it be John Henry Newman's "Firmly I believe and truly"?
Never heard of it.
I think Ms. Amanda's is "Faith of Our Fathers"
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