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Lothiriel
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No, no, no, you've got it backwards. Roundabouts are very medieval -- that's what you get when roads are allowed to go any which way they please. Much of Canada was laid out in strict grids by god-fearing 19th century surveyors (probably Scots Presbyterians, mostly) -- much more modern.
eta: grids = 4-way stops
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What's worse Zappa, is that (unlike Americans) Canadians actually always stop at those pesky stop signs.
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Originally posted by les@BALM:
Since when has Canada deserved to be buggered! It might be sometihng you do in the lost colonies, but not in the realm of HM QEII.
Proverbially speaking of course. Although I did notice SPK said there isn't a hamlet or burg in the Province of Ontario without a Queen Street.
Anyway, the Danes have won. They also speak better English than we do. They also won't be putting up stop signs with meaningless gibberish like "arrêt" on our street corners.
I've got my bottle of Aquavit and a copy of Either/Or so the matter is settled.
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Originally posted by Liberty:
What's worse Zappa, is that (unlike Americans) Canadians actually always stop at those pesky stop signs.
I wish. In my neighbourhood, particularly at night, people tend to zoom right through with just the merest pretence of slowing down.
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Originally posted by Silver Faux:
You will, of course, be required to put one-half ounce of white vinegar on each serving of french fries, unless eaten with fish, in which case, malt vinegar becomes mandatory.
Unless you're at a Finnish/Scandinavian eating establishment in Thunder Bay where you have the option of gravy(yum-yum) ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Starlight
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Originally posted by Zappa:
As a matter of interest, does Canada have those ridiculous and bewildering four way stop signs at cross-roads?
Oh yes they most definitely do. I was there two weeks ago on holiday and they were confusing me no end.
I was extra confused because I wasn't sure when pedestrians had right of way and when the cars did. And the cars were driving on the wrong side of the road. As a result those 3-way and 4-way stop sign intersections really messed with my head every time I had to try to use one, and it seemed they were everywhere... I commend the concept of roundabouts to the attention of Canadian town planners, they really do make life simpler and traffic flow faster.
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Originally posted by Starlight:
I was extra confused because I wasn't sure when pedestrians had right of way and when the cars did. And the cars were driving on the wrong side of the road. As a result those 3-way and 4-way stop sign intersections really messed with my head every time I had to try to use one, and it seemed they were everywhere.
It's part timing and part survival of the fittest. As for the pedestrians, the short answer is that they rule the roads. Get your revenge when you are a pedestrian yourself, not when you're driving.
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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Roundabouts have begun to infest Kitchener/Waterloo. It's a bit silly because buses have a hard time going around them and not swiping pedestrians.
No street in Canada is complete without a four-way stop.
Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way. Even when they don't, you'll still be charged for hitting a pedestrian. A God intended it should be.
Except in Quebec, where all driving laws are really optional.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right-of-way. Even when they don't, you'll still be charged for hitting a pedestrian. A God intended it should be.
No! So this is not real!?
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You all, of course, remember this:
Map of the United States of Canada
I think that's not a bad start. Even if this map-drawer apparently figured there was no point in drawing in the Great Lakes if they no longer served as an international border.
We in Michigan* already say "eh" and have a fair amount of the accent down (especially in the UP, eh). Those of us who are old enough probably still have some Canadian coins we never finished spending before it stopped being accepted at US-side stores (we keep forgetting to dig it out and take it with us when we pop over to Ontario). We play hockey, too, especially when our 10,000+ inland lakes freeze over. Many of us prefer to watch the Stanley Cup finals on CBC. And we already have Tim Hortons!
*I'm not there at the moment; a mere technicality.
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Well, it's you or Maine. Possibly Massachusetts. Any of those states would be far happier under the Canadian flag.
We can't forget Washington though. Little tough, it would need to be renamed if it wasn't annexed to British Columbia outright.
I know, we'll call it Marijuanaland!
What is it about the letter M in this post?
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4-way stop signs are a lot cheaper to build than roudabouts. And besides, what's bewildering about them? Any 15-year-old in driver's ed figures them out in the first class session. Are ya'll really that decision-function challenged?
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And besides, what's bewildering about them? Any 15-year-old in driver's ed figures them out in the first class session. Are ya'll really that decision-function challenged?
Well since we don't have them in New Zealand, I'd never encountered them before in driver's ed or otherwise. Furthermore, we drive on a different side of the road in NZ, so left is right and right is left. Furthermore, in NZ we have a special give-way rule (that I understand is pretty much unique in the world) where when traffic going opposite ways turns onto the same road the car turning right has priority over the one turning left (that's left turners get priority over right turners for you wrong-side driving North-Americans).
So when I encountered a 3 or 4-way stop I was thinking that the list of rules to apply was as follows:
1) Apply normal give way rules as I know them and come to a conclusion.
2) Retroactively modify the conclusions of the above based on driving on the other side of the road making everything backward.
3) If in a situation where the NZ abnormal give-way rule would have applied (and hence was applied in step 1 of above logic) then retroactively un-apply that rule and achieve modified conclusions. But remember to alter the rule and the modification due to applying the driving on the wrong side of the road fix-up logic.
I was not fully confident in my abilities to follow the above logical steps to the correct conclusion in a timely manner when dealing with a type of intersection I had never encountered before. Fortunately for all, perhaps, I never had occasion to try driving a car in Canada and so only had to try to deal to these intersections as a pedestrian. For that I applied the much much simpler rule of "I don't have the slightest clue whether and when pedestrians have right of way in Canada or how these intersections work but I'd prefer not to get myself run over", which admittedly produced much hesitation and perhaps traffic inefficiency but functioned acceptably for my purposes.
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Rules for 4-way stops:
Of course, as already said, pedestrians always have the right of way. But, for automobiles...
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Timing is everything: - The first vehicle to come to a complete stop at the intersection has the right-of-way.
- If two vehicles arrive at the same time and are facing each other, the left-turning vehicle must yield to the oncoming vehicle.
- If two vehicles arrive at the same time and are perpendicular to each other, the vehicle on the right has the right-of way. A driver is “the driver on the right with the right-of-way” if that driver has no other driver to the right side.
If four vehicles arrive simultaneously, the driver with the most nerve goes first. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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That sounds very much like a roundabout but without the buffer zone that the roundabout itself provides.
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sharkshooter forgot two important rules about the 4-way stop: - If you are a male driver, you may slow down but do not have to stop.
- If you are a male driver in a truck, you do not have to slow down or stop.
From Leaf, deep in the heart of Four-Way-Stop-Land. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Aah - so it really is a compact roundabout.
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All this fussing about 4 way stops! I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.
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All this fussing about 4 way stops! I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.
Civil engineers are known to drink too much.
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
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Originally posted by PeteC:
All this fussing about 4 way stops! I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.
Civil engineers are known to drink too much.
To borrow a line from the put-down thread, I have seen one sober.
(Oh, and we have a 5-way mini-roundabout at the bottom of our road. It works as well as you'd expect, especially as one of the five is 'onto to roundabout' only.)
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Originally posted by PeteC:
All this fussing about 4 way stops! I have an intersection in my neighbourhood that has a 5 way stop. I just wait for it all to clear and pull an Exorcist head-swivel when crossing.
Southern Ontario is graced by a location known as Punkeydoodles Corners, somewhat between Kitchener and Stratford; there are five corners there.
I have often thought that this would be the ideal location for church "head offices;" Anglican, UCC, Presbyterian, or just about any denomination.
People come together from all different directions, and no one is prepared to give way if they can avoid it.
A perfect theological match!
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
Rules for 4-way stops:
Of course, as already said, pedestrians always have the right of way. But, for automobiles...
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Timing is everything: - The first vehicle to come to a complete stop at the intersection has the right-of-way.
- If two vehicles arrive at the same time and are facing each other, the left-turning vehicle must yield to the oncoming vehicle.
- If two vehicles arrive at the same time and are perpendicular to each other, the vehicle on the right has the right-of way. A driver is “the driver on the right with the right-of-way” if that driver has no other driver to the right side.
If four vehicles arrive simultaneously, the driver with the most nerve goes first.
John Prine wrote a song about it:
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It was a four way stop dilemma--we all arrived the same time.
I yielded to the man to the right of me and he yielded it right back to mine.
Well, the yield went around and around and around till Pamela finally tried,
just then the man in the light blue sedan hit Pamela's passenger side.
"The Accident (Things Could Be Worse)"
I like roundabouts myself. But for some reason in Portland they put up stop signs at the roundabouts, which pretty much defeats the purpose.
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Check out the new roundabout in Southeastern Ohio
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ISTM that there is one problem with roundabouts in North America. In the UK, one drives on the left and gives priority to the right - in other words, give priority to those already on the roundabout.
In Canada, one drives on the right but also gives priority to the right. Since traffic on a roundabout would be going anti-clockwise (wouldn't it?), the law about yielding priority would have to be changed.
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Traffic flows counter-clockwise and yields to the traffic already in the circle.
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Once you've tried the Magic Roundabout , nothing will bother you ever again.
Note that it has clockwise AND counterclockwise circulation. You actually have to think while driving (something that too many Canadians have never realised)
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Sober Preacher's Kid
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There are roundabouts in Hamilton and Kitchener. Kenilworth Circle at the base of the Mountain has been there for ages.
Under existing traffic rules, traffic in a traffic circle has priority as through traffic. Any vehicle making a turn, even a right one, has to yield to through traffic.
This is often made explicit with a Yield Sign but strictly speaking this isn't necessary.
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There is something utterly Canadian about this conversation, I just can't exactly put my finger on why that is.
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It'll be the politeness, eh?
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Originally posted by Starlight:
Furthermore, in NZ we have a special give-way rule (that I understand is pretty much unique in the world) where when traffic going opposite ways turns onto the same road the car turning right has priority over the one turning left (that's left turners get priority over right turners for you wrong-side driving North-Americans).
Victoria in Australia ran it for ten years. They had the brains to chuck it out. Great theory - shame about the inability of left turning drivers to check their mirrors.
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Once you've tried the Magic Roundabout , nothing will bother you ever again.
Note that it has clockwise AND counterclockwise circulation. You actually have to think while driving (something that too many Canadians have never realised)
I note that the idea was first tried out in Colchester. That's my home town and I remember the variations on that roundabout very well.....
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You roundabout-lovers should hear the whining DCists raise about our traffic circles. Something about "trying to confuse invading armies" is the usual explanation—though, if I recall correctly, it didn't exactly deter the Canadians last time they visited . . .
Furthermore, if we are going to sign over our much-loved sovereignty, we would like to become part of Francophone Canada. Good food, ersatz Eurpeanism, high culture . . . I'm sure Washingtonians would be all over it. Bring forth the poutine!
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And the European level of taxation in Quebec? Really?
No, dear American(s), we'll have to decline your kind invitation to join. We like you, but we're afraid you'll shoot us. Plus you would never tolerate the restrictions on freedom of speech brought to you by your local Human Rights Commission. Sadly, we will just have to eye each other across the ever-thickening and increasingly spiky border that separates us.
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Maybe we could send food parcels South of some good Canadian products i.e. Maple Syrup, Poutines, Moosehead .....
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Those south of our borders (yes we have many, it is not the straight line of popular imagination) should consider that they might have to spend time in re-education camps if they join us (cos we ain't joining you, Stephen Harper's wet dreams to the contrary). We have lots of wilderness for these camps. What was good enough for the Chinese is good enough for you, eh?
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Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?
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Pete, yes, Moosehead ale seems to have legendary status in Frederiction. The Poutines eaten in Moncton aren't the Quebec version but the Acadian version which is essentially a round ball of potato with some curd ham in the centre and boiled for hours in a pot. They are delicious but heavy on the stomach.
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Originally posted by les@BALM:
Maybe we could send food parcels South of some good Canadian products i.e. Poutines .....
Only if the nasty cheese curds stay up north. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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Originally posted by Christian Agnostic:
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Originally posted by les@BALM:
Maybe we could send food parcels South of some good Canadian products i.e. Poutines .....
Only if the nasty cheese curds stay up north.
Ah! you're talking about the wrong poutines, in NB the ones I mention above are the order of the day.
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?
Please - it's a sensitive environment! And I think the polar bears would find them pretty hard to digest.
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Would the members of GOP, NRA and Westboro Baptist Church all fit on Ellesmere Island?
Those get put singly on ice floes and left to die. The Inuit had the right idea, there.
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Could send the Tea Party to Alaska where their leader Sarah Palin hails from, perhaps the Ice Road Truckers could give them a one way ride to see the most northernly parts of the state.
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[Tries to imagine what a New York affiliate of the CBC would be like].
It would certainly turn Can-con* into a whole 'nuther ball game. No more endless plays of Nickelback. ![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif)
But could Americans handle not one, but two Communist parties?
[*the requirement that radio and television carry Canadian produced content.]
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Oh, the utter delights of comparing the political pages of the New York Times and the Globe and Mail!
Mothership in New York? Or Peter Mansbridge and Lisa Laflamme battling it out for the continents air waves? Paradise, really.
And Louisiana wouldn't feel so alone anymore.
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Maybe Canada can also finish metrication instead of having distance, volume, temperature, etc., in metric and a person's height and weight in imperial.
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Originally posted by les@BALM:
Can you imagine any of our Southern friends keeping a straight face whilst singing "O,Canada" if they were to join British North America
No, but they'd be part of "Jesusland" where they know the words (or at least can whistle the tune)
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Well, many Canadians mumble the words to "O Canada" too, especially when they attempt to do it both languages with one sentence in English, one in French and so on.
There is a story about one hockey match in Ontario or Manitoba where the announcer started the national anthem, got past the first line, stopped it and said: "Well, you know the rest. Let's get the game started" and everyone did without a protest.
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Maybe there should be Job swaps for HOS, the US can have Harper and we have Obama, I'm sure both countries would be happier with that arrangement.
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I'm not giving up the Queen, not for anyone!
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