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Sparrow
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Yes, I thought of that but I hoped there was an easier way of doing it? Surely it ought to be possible to listen to the tracks at the same time as you record them.

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aj

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Sparrow - some sound cards don't let you record in and monitor the audio at the same time, or you may need to select a `thru' setting in the sound control panel. I run Audacity on a Mac and it's not always happy playing back the input while recording it.

But, going on what Babybear suggests, just hit record, play the tape and let the computer run until the tape gets to the end, then stop recording. Then you can go through and trim. With the complete sound file now on your screen you can listen and move the cursor to various points in the file, listening to what is going on.

Visually, the bits between songs will be the very thin lines between the blobs on the sound file you're looking at. Locate the cursor at the start of a song, hit Ctrl-B (I think), and hey presto, it puts in a marker for the start of the song. Continue this for each song, trim the start and end of the entire file (like a cassette `leader'), and then select `Export Multiple' and Audacity will divide the whole file up into the tracks you've marked for you to then import into iTunes or whatever.

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I regularly turn PDFs into Word texts by printing them into MicroSoft Image Writer, performing an OCR and sending the text to Word. For some reason, the function has stopped wanting to do this, telling me that Word is not installed properly. Does anyone have any ideas what's going on?

[ 25. June 2007, 10:01: Message edited by: Eutychus ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Don't change for change's sake.

Thus far I agree

quote:

Linux is brilliant, wonderful, superb, technically massively superior to Windows, etc. etc. However, it will not supplant Windows in the near future, and it's not just the issue of applications - name an application and a Linux bod will be able to tell you a superior Linux version of it.

The difference is this. If you take your nice new home version of MS Office back home, and put it on your XP or Vista PC, it will work. If you have a problem, it's almost certain to have happened before, and a quick Google search will find you a solution that you can understand and implement.

On Linux, IME, there is a much greater chance that a given piece of software will not like one component of your particular distro version. You can google the problem, and come up with a solution. However, it is likely that unless you are a Linux geek, you will not be able to understand the explanation or understand how to implement the solution.

You're likely to get something like this:

(much techono-babble here)

This used to be true until 3 years ago with the arival of two new tools, called 'yum' and 'apt-get'. 'yum' is built into Fedora Linux, and 'apt-get' us used by Ubuntu. These do a similar job to 'fink' on Mac (and by our experience are more stable).

As a result installing and maintaining software on Linux is now easier than Windows. You just pick what you want installed off your original CD/DVD, and if you want anything else installed later, you just open the software tool and click on the software you want, and it will be fetched over the internet. The same piece of software both installs and updates everything on your system, and every piece of software is puspose-built for your specific Linux distribution, so it just works. Every piece of software I need is available through this one system.

I use Fedora for historical reasons, but I've installed Ubuntu and I would recommend it to anyone new to Linux. You boot the machine from CD, press enter once, and Ubuntu is running - you can try it out withough even installing it.

If you want to install to your hard disk, you click the icon, answer a couple of questions, and it does it.

This contrasts with my windows experience - install the OS, install the security suite, connect to the internet, register, update the security suite, update the OS, install the office suite, update the office suite, install and update everything else in turn, have half a dozen update programs constantly asking you to apply updates to different software, lose half your machine's performance to the virus scanner and pay for regular updates.

The biggest downside for non-gaming computer users is that not all hardware has linux drivers, but pretty much all common hardware is. But with Ubuntu you can try it out without affecting your existing system.

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Another question ...

I have a desktop less than a year old, running Windows XP. I also want to get a laptop, but have been putting it off for a while to see how Vista turns out. If I now get a laptop running Vista, will my desktop PC and the laptop be able to talk to each other/exchange files etc?

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Sparrow-- no easy answers to that. If you have a small network at home (router/switch, or just a switch or hub) you can network the two and exchange files. Even easier, get a pen drive (thumb drive, memory stick, whatever) and share that way. Maybe even a shared portable hard drive. You can get either of these items for under $100 US, don't know what that is in British pounds.

Setting up networking can be either mindlessly easy or a freakin' nightmare. When/if you get ready to do this, let us know and then one of us here can walk you through it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wesley J:
I have been wondering about Ubuntu too, just as my dear namesake. [Biased]

Does anyone here have any experience with Linux and/or Ubuntu?

How practical are they?

I'm not likely to switch in the near future, but might do at some time. My main concern is the many lovely programmes and gadgets and documents that work perfectly (?) well under Win XP. I would not want to give up on those, if ever possible... - Comments?

I had been using various Linux distributions for many years (until recently that I switched to Mac OS X). I have found Ubuntu to be user friendly, stable and with a minimalistic working environment. Keep in mind though that using a different operating system means that one has to get to know a different approach to "doing computers" than the one he is used to... Is the learning curve worth it? You have to judge for yourself, evaluating the pros and the cons...

You can dual boot between windows and linux, and you can even run the one inside the other via virtual machines... So, if something works only in Windows, you are not going to lose its functionality just because you use linux. But yes, it can be a very proplematic situation some times, especially with files designed to function only under only one operating system...

Now, a question to fellow Ancient Geeks... How many people here are using Safari? What do you think? I think I love it... Great piece of software (I have used its Mac version).

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quote:
Originally posted by andreas1984:
How many people here are using Safari? What do you think? I think I love it... Great piece of software (I have used its Mac version).

Took me awhile to learn Firefox, so I'm not ready for a new browser. People still aren't making websites to standards, so something other than the Big Blue E still won't work right. Tried Opera, . . . why?

If I had an Apple product, I might use Safari, beyond that . . .

(I may one day be forced into the Mac O/S on one of the big G4 workstations since all the better video editing software seems tailor-made for such things; Windows runs it, but not well unless you're running a cotton-pickin' $6000 workstation.) [Ultra confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by andreas1984:

Now, a question to fellow Ancient Geeks... How many people here are using Safari? What do you think? I think I love it... Great piece of software (I have used its Mac version).

I use a Mac, but I'm a convinced Firefox user. Very happy with it, too.

( Here's a linux user's experience buying a new computer preloaded with Ubuntu for his daughter.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
I regularly turn PDFs into Word texts by printing them into MicroSoft Image Writer, performing an OCR and sending the text to Word. For some reason, the function has stopped wanting to do this, telling me that Word is not installed properly. Does anyone have any ideas what's going on?

Dunno. But for Windows users there is a littl free utility called CutePDF which installs like a printer driver and makes PDFs from anything that can print.

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Oh dear, I just tried to put a different photo on my profile page from my flickr site but it has just turned into a ? [Waterworks]

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A complaint: After just a few minutes running a screen saver, my computer freezes up. Nothing will un-stick it. I have to push the little green light/button to stop the whole thing.

No, I have not imported some wacky screen savers; I only have the ones that came along with the puter originally.

Yes, I use the dreaded Internet Explorer.

I used to (long long ago when Earth was only swampland & volcanos) have one called "Mowing Man" that I loved; you looked down on a guy riding his lawn tractor, and cutting down the grass & weeds, and you could change the speed. But I no longer have that. And another I liked that showed trees (you could pick & choose what kind), through the seasonal changes. Leaves turning red & yellow, then falling in Fall, snow piling up in Winter; leafing out in Spring, and in full glory in Summer. Anyone else have or know that one?

Any ideas why my screen savers turn me to ice cubes? Pearl

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Eutychus
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quote:
Originally posted by ecumaniac:
quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
I regularly turn PDFs into Word texts by printing them into MicroSoft Image Writer, performing an OCR and sending the text to Word. For some reason, the function has stopped wanting to do this, telling me that Word is not installed properly. Does anyone have any ideas what's going on?

Dunno. But for Windows users there is a littl free utility called CutePDF which installs like a printer driver and makes PDFs from anything that can print.
Thanks. However, the problem is not that I can't make PDFs, but that I can't turn PDFs into MSWord documents via Image Writer. I think there is a software conflict with another app. I need to know if there's any way (or place I can look) to re-install the Word component that's apparently been stomped on.
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Just wondering something a bit strange but have you by any chance installed a new version of Word recently.

There are significant changes with the latest edition and it might just be that there is something wrong with the connection.

I run into something like this when dealing with statistical packages talking to each other.

I have reinstall the package I am sending from so it knows where the right files are to open the other package.

Jengie

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Eutychus
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Thanks, but I don't think it's that. It's much more likely to be a conflict with another recently-installed voice-recognition app, but either way I need to try and get just the missing component. I've tried a complete Office reinstall but nothing doing so far.

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quote:
Originally posted by aj:
Sparrow -

But, going on what Babybear suggests, just hit record, play the tape and let the computer run until the tape gets to the end, then stop recording. Then you can go through and trim. With the complete sound file now on your screen you can listen and move the cursor to various points in the file, listening to what is going on.

Visually, the bits between songs will be the very thin lines between the blobs on the sound file you're looking at. Locate the cursor at the start of a song, hit Ctrl-B (I think), and hey presto, it puts in a marker for the start of the song. Continue this for each song, trim the start and end of the entire file (like a cassette `leader'), and then select `Export Multiple' and Audacity will divide the whole file up into the tracks you've marked for you to then import into iTunes or whatever.

Thanks aj, I just tried this and it worked!

[Smile]

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aj

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Excellent! I just transferred The Muppet Alphabet Album from vinyl to CD using this method (came out the headphone jack on the stereo and into the computer).

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Oops...sorry to double-post, but when putting in track labels onto a sound file in Audacity, you don't need to trim the beginning, as the track exporting commences after the first marker - but this is probably clear enough.
Trimming the beginning after marking tracks can make the file slide out of line with the labels, so double check that they line-up with the relevant points on the sound file before exporting the lot.

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Sparrow
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Okay, another question.

Can anyone tell me where on the net I can download Microsoft Photo Editor? I find it simple and easy to use compared with more modern applications.

I don't have a disk with it on, so I need to get it off the net somewhere.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sparrow:
Can anyone tell me where on the net I can download Microsoft Photo Editor? I find it simple and easy to use compared with more modern applications.

I don't have a disk with it on, so I need to get it off the net somewhere.

It's part of Microsoft Office 2000 or Office XP, so you'd need an Office CD to install it. In Office 2003 it's been replaced by something else.

I'm sure it is available somewhere on the net, but not legally therefore I can't link to it.

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At w*rk we have a PC (Windows XP) used for one task only – effectively transferring information to and from an external supplier. It does this via a dial-up modem. When it needs to call out, it calls, the rest of the time it sits there doing nothing.

As I have been given the task of checking security matters, I’m wondering what to do about this machine. I could load the usual anti-virus software/firewall on this machine, but even if I did that I can’t update the software as the machine has no access to the internet (it phones directly to the supplier, not via an ISP).

Does a machine with no internet access (and which isn’t used for other purposes, so no floppy disks get used in it) need anti-virus software? It doesn’t seem entirely right not to have some protection in place, but I don’t see how the wicked world can get at this machine, or how I can effectively keep it’s protection up to date without downloading updates to another machine and transferring them via a CD (if that is even possible).

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Chapelhead, you don't state how the information that goes to the supplier via modem gets onto that XP machine in the first place. Unless, of course, you're doing all the data entry and so forth on only that machine. Nothing comes and goes off that box except when it transmits via modem? OK. We did something similar with a payroll service at our other plant.

If so, don't worry about it. Chances are pretty good that whoever you're sending data to WILL have AV software on their receiving machine which almost nullifies the chance of you getting anything via modem from them. Of course, no warranty either expressed or implied here. Highly unlikely you'd get anything, but the chances are not equal to zero.

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Anyone here using Safari discover a few days ago that suddenly it won't talk to hotmail.com anymore? Or is it just me?

Firefox seems to be working fine.

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I just tried Safari and Hotmail and it was a little slow in logging in, but seemed ok. I had a read of some forum posts on problems and it seems that there are some functionality issues at the moment with Hotmail on Safari. Are you having simple log-in trouble or more complicated problems?

On another topic - with the latest Firefox update they've corrected the irritating bug that prevented the history bar from scrolling properly in OS X.

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On tape and record copying, taped speech particularly, when copying, via headphone jack, I use high speed dubbing (or a higher record speed) and slow it down in Audacity, which saves me quite a bit of time.

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I get the login screen but then an error message that says the server has timed out. No biggie - that's why I have several browsers on my machine.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by ecumaniac:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
I regularly turn PDFs into Word texts by printing them into MicroSoft Image Writer, performing an OCR and sending the text to Word. For some reason, the function has stopped wanting to do this, telling me that Word is not installed properly. Does anyone have any ideas what's going on?

Dunno. But for Windows users there is a littl free utility called CutePDF which installs like a printer driver and makes PDFs from anything that can print.
Thanks. However, the problem is not that I can't make PDFs, but that I can't turn PDFs into MSWord documents via Image Writer. I think there is a software conflict with another app. I need to know if there's any way (or place I can look) to re-install the Word component that's apparently been stomped on.
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What version of Word are you running? Just that from Office 2003 onwards, there is an "Ignore other apps" document on Tools/Options. If that is checked - uncheck it, as it would be refusing DDE connections from other apps.

Failing that - what file format does this OCR app output in?

If the worst comes to the worst - you can always export the text to RFT, and reconstruct the document. PDFs are designed to be a one-way process (as you PRINT to PDF).

(lost count of the number of times i have to tell users that at work)

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quote:
Originally posted by Pearl B4 Swine:
A complaint: After just a few minutes running a screen saver, my computer freezes up. Nothing will un-stick it. I have to push the little green light/button to stop the whole thing.

No, I have not imported some wacky screen savers; I only have the ones that came along with the puter originally.

Yes, I use the dreaded Internet Explorer.

Any ideas why my screen savers turn me to ice cubes? Pearl

Sounds like the power saving settings, its probably turning itself off after 10mins, and the screensaver is kicking in at 5mins.

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I have a whine about the calendar in Microsoft Outlook. I've had Outlook for about a year but never bothered with the calendar until now. What I need to know is, how can I get the day of the week to show in the headings alongside the date? I like the layout of the weekly calendar but I need it to show Monday, Tuesday etc instead of just 20 August, 20 August which is pretty useless. Help!

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Got a new PC arrived from Dell today for No 2 son, who is expecting GCSE results tomorrow (yes its an early 'exam results' present). Of course its running Vista which we know nothing about. Connected to the network cable (I'm running an ADSL internet connection via a 4-port router) and it did connect up and do some things (like this little 'news gadget' thing over on the right side of the screen shows current headlines) but if you open Internet Explorer, it can't get to any websites. Any clues as to what the problem could be? There was an option to diagnose the network connection, and the conclusion was that it was OK. Puzzled.

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Turn the firewall off.

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Gracious rebel

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You mean the firewall built into Vista? Where would I find that? (haven't got a clue about Vista, and all the documentation for everything seems to be online.... [Biased] )

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Go to the network and sharing centre and make sure the connection is configured for "local and internet".

I wouldn't turn the firewall off; this only blocks incoming connection attempts by default.

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Gracious rebel

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Problem is solved - it was McAffee, which came bundled with the PC, but was only half installed or something - it kept popping up, with options to fully install it, or remove it, and when my son removed it, the internet now works fine (he'd already installed a free antivirus from Avast which his brother downloaded from another computer, so no worries about ditching McAffee).

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I put this on the question thread, but this might be a better place for it, so:
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Originally posted by Hazey*Jane:
Having just had a nasty incident in which I thought I'd lost everything on my hard drive (be cautious if you're thinking about using CCleaner) may I ask:
  • How does one back up internet favourites?
  • What's the best way to back up emails that you've moved from net based accounts to be stored on your hard drive (I use Outlook as a way of accessing Hotmail and a couple of other accounts - some of the messages have been moved to other folders.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Hazey*Jane:
I put this on the question thread, but this might be a better place for it, so:
quote:
Originally posted by Hazey*Jane:
Having just had a nasty incident in which I thought I'd lost everything on my hard drive (be cautious if you're thinking about using CCleaner) may I ask:
  • How does one back up internet favourites?
  • What's the best way to back up emails that you've moved from net based accounts to be stored on your hard drive (I use Outlook as a way of accessing Hotmail and a couple of other accounts - some of the messages have been moved to other folders.)

Thanks

Hazey (whose blood pressure is gradually returning to normal)


The favorites folder is pretty easy to find. If you're using the Big Blue E (Internet Explorer), in Windows Exporer, look for a folder called documents and settings. Once there, click on the + to show the folder list. Find one with your name on it (it might even be called "user") and again click the +. You should see a folder marked Favorties, which often has a star in front of it. Save that folder and its contents.

If you're using Firefox, under Documents and Settings, go to Application Date, then to the Mozilla folder, then the Firefox folder, then Profiles folder. Inside that folder will be another folder with what looks like a jumble of odd characters (e.g-- icykrv72.default), and inside that folder look for a file called bookmarks.html those are the Firefox bookmarks. Save that file as a backup.

As for your webmail now stored locally in Outlook, someone better at Outlook (or LOOK OUT!! as we call it at work) will have to help you there. There is a way to export your mail and settings, but the version I'm familiar with is Outlook 98, about 10 years behind what's current. It's fairly simple to do but I don't know where to tell you to look for the utility to do the save. Sorry. [Hot and Hormonal]

And as a cautionary note, which I'm sure you don't need, saving personal irreplaceable stuff onto CD/DVD/memory stick or portable hard drive is just good practice and good sense. Especially before you make major changes or add new software. I've got about 3 gig of MP3s plus some priceless digital photos of my former family. Yes, they're on the hard drive, but there are copies of everything on at least one DVD, likely two or more.

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I don't really qualify for geek status, I'm afraid, so I hope you won't mind my jumping in on your thread too much!

I understand how to make things work quite well but don't necessarily understand what I'm doing or the jargon that would go with it.

I already have a monitor which is enormous and several years old but works very well so I see little reason to get a new one. I have all the cables and things so I assume I'll be able to simply plug it into a new CPU-thing (that's the box with everything in, isn't it?). Is that right?

Secondly, in my googling, I came across a guide to what you need in a new computer written in 2004. It says that you ideally want your processor to have about 2.8GHz, with two-thirds of that as an absolute minimum. Is this true? Looking at pcworld's website they don't have many pcs with 2.8GHz and it's now 2007. Was the chap who wrote the article exaggerating a bit?

If I want to check e-mails, surf the internet, watch things on youtube without waiting seven hours for things to load, edit photos, download the occasional piece of music, watch films, etc. (i.e., no gaming, basically), what would you say I need?

After much googling and reading of things, the list that I've compiled is as follows. Would this be at all feasible for £300 (without monitor)? I'd be quite happy with a refurbished CPU. :

2 GHz min
64 Bit*
DDR 400 MHz
1024 MB RAM min
120 GB harddrive min
7200 rpm*
Separate graphics card*

* Haven't got a clue what these mean but various things have told me I need them.

I'd be ever so grateful for your advice.

Thurible

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Jengie jon

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64 bit

Lets see. At the very basic level computers have switches that are either on or off. I think these are called bytes, and eight of them make one bit. A bit is the basic character like a letter in English. However a string of justlettersveryquickly gets difficult to interpret. So you need dividers, unfortunately there is not the equivalent of a space. So what computer geeks decided was to make words of a standard length. I think the early processors worked with 8 bit words. Then they realised they needed more words for smarter machines so went to 16 bit, then 32 bit and today they are on 64 bit.

The reason you *need* a 64 bit processor is that latest version of programmes are designed to work with 64 bit words. They do not run on machines that are only 32 bit. However a 32 bit programme can run on 64 bit in 32 bit emulation.

This is all very simplified and relies on bits and pieces I picked up at work but I hope it helps.

Jengie

p.s. windows 3.1 was 16 bit, Windows 95 being the first Microsoft Os that was 32 bit. I believe that IBMs OS2 was 32 bit earlier.

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Amorya

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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
The reason you *need* a 64 bit processor is that latest version of programmes are designed to work with 64 bit words. They do not run on machines that are only 32 bit. However a 32 bit programme can run on 64 bit in 32 bit emulation.

I haven't yet encountered any programs that are 64 bit only. If there are any, they'll be scientific data-crunching apps or video editing suites or the like. Consumer apps will be compatible with 32 bit processors for a while yet, I reckon.

The main reason why a 64 bit processor is useful at the moment is that you can use more than 4 GB of memory with one. 32 bit processors are limited to 4 GB maximum. Not that most people need that much RAM yet (I have 1.5 GB), but in a few years then the ability to take extra might be useful.

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p.s. windows 3.1 was 16 bit, Windows 95 being the first Microsoft Os that was 32 bit. I believe that IBMs OS2 was 32 bit earlier.
From a quick Wikipedia search, Apple had a fully 32 bit clean operating system in June 1991, OS/2 in April 1992, and Microsoft in August 1995. Anyone want to beat that? I can't find an exact date for the Amiga, and now I've wasted half an hour browsing the Atari pages on Wikipedia I think I'll stop!

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John Donne

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The Amiga was released in 1987 - the Amiga500 which was the bottom of the range, was based on the 68000 processor which was 32 bit internally, but it actually used a 16 bit data bus and 24 bit address bus. It did kick the arse of anything else around for the next 5 years.
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quote:
Originally posted by Thurible:
Secondly, in my googling, I came across a guide to what you need in a new computer written in 2004. It says that you ideally want your processor to have about 2.8GHz, with two-thirds of that as an absolute minimum. Is this true? Looking at pcworld's website they don't have many pcs with 2.8GHz and it's now 2007. Was the chap who wrote the article exaggerating a bit?

All depends what you want the computer for. If you want it for high speed internet gaming using the latest games, it's different requirements from if you want to look at the internet occasionally and do a bit of word processing.

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If I want to check e-mails, surf the internet, watch things on youtube without waiting seven hours for things to load, edit photos, download the occasional piece of music, watch films, etc. (i.e., no gaming, basically), what would you say I need?

After much googling and reading of things, the list that I've compiled is as follows. Would this be at all feasible for £300 (without monitor)?

Knowing roughly where you live, a trip to Staples in town might be in order. A couple of weeks ago, they had a very adequate new computer (which does everything you asked for) for £275 sans monitor.

You might need to get a photo editing program though, but simple ones can be got fairly cheaply.

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Worth adding that download times on Youtube depend largely on how your computer is connected to the internet, but also on how busy various connections and so on are. If you're using a dial-up modem, Youtube will take a very long time to do anything, regardless of what computer you have.

Sockets in walls in colleges tend to be much much quicker connections.

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Hm. I must have better things to do than be concerned that my assertion that the 68000 CPU was 32 bits wide internally was not quite accurate. Well. Ok. The registers are 16 bits wide but 68K asm can reference and perform ops on 2 at a time as if they are one 32 bit register.
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quote:
Originally posted by Custard.:
Knowing roughly where you live, a trip to Staples in town might be in order. A couple of weeks ago, they had a very adequate new computer (which does everything you asked for) for £275 sans monitor.


Thank you very much for this advice. I popped down to Staples (a shop I always forget about) this lunchtime and was very impressed with the advice given by two of the staff. I've brought away photocopies of two of the computers which took my fancy and shall spend an hour or so later on comparing prices with other establishments.

Thurible

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I spent the better part of a day trying to get my trusty Linksys BEFW11S4 to get on speaking terms with a Comcast (Houston) NIU with no joy.

I did my initial install with an iMac which works fine when directly connected to the NIU. Examining the properties of the interface shows that DHCP is enabled so I suspect that Comcast MAC-locks their interface as I didn't have to provide any other login details (hence, they're not using PPoE like SBC/Yahoo! DSL used to).
I therefore cloned the iMac's MAC in the router but no luck.

I'm guessing it must be a firmware level issue (the BEFFW11S4 is a Ver. 3). All the Linksys support tools are Windows-based (download a zip file and tftp it to the router) so I'll have to wait and bring my work laptop home to update the firmware.

Should I just bail on this thing and get a newer router with 802.11g support?

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quote:
Originally posted by Amorya:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
[qb] T Apple had a fully 32 bit clean operating system in June 1991, OS/2 in April 1992, and Microsoft in August 1995. Anyone want to beat that?

Well, some of the mainframe systems I used to run in the 1980s were 32 bit [Biased]

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Mamacita

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Hey folks, Qestia has posed this question on another thread. Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks.

Mamacita, Heavenly Host
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In an effort to improve myself, I'd like to bring my internet surfing under control. I thought it might be helpful if there was some software I could download that showed exactly how much time I spend on-line. Does anyone know of something like that?

Thanks!



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Thurible
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Qestia,

I take it you're on broadband. Certainly when I was on (unlimited) dial-up, I could simply click on the internet-icon thing and it would tell me!

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basso

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quote:
Originally posted by cqg:
All the Linksys support tools are Windows-based (download a zip file and tftp it to the router) so I'll have to wait and bring my work laptop home to update the firmware.

OSX has an unzip command, and it's easy to find a tftp server as well. (May already be there but not enabled, IIRC.)
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Help! A couple of weeks ago I installed Automatic Updates. Since then, about once a day my computer freezes when I open Internet Explorer. The only way I have found to deal with it is to turn off the power, wait a minute or two, and try again.

Today it seems to be worse (has happened several times), and twice I've gotten the message "Out of memory at line: 174."

Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. (Except for suggesting I use a different browser -- I'm used to IE and hate change!)

Thanks!

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