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HoosierNan
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They are financed, according to the information that I have seen, from lawsuits. When someone irate tries to push them off the sidewalk or whatever, they go to court for "damages."
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Topeka gets back at the Phelps with this annual Millon Fag March. This year Fred's son Nate will be speaking about what it was like growing up in the Phelps family. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town this weekend and can't attend.
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Lord Jestocost
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Not sure if this has been posted before. A video by Nate Phelps.
There are others.
And a transcript of his talk is available too. Horrifying and moving. "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble ..."
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Spiffy
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Crossing over with another Hell thread, the Phelpses are now planning on picketing Constance McMillan's graduation. I wonder if the parents of Itawamba County will be chastened by this fairly ugly mirror of their own behavior or if the parallels will be lost on them?
I'm betting the latter.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Not sure if this has been posted before. A video by Nate Phelps.
There are others.
And a transcript of his talk is available too. Horrifying and moving. "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble ..."
Shit. I knew that family was seriously fucked up, but reading that first hand account sent shivers down my spine.
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I'm pretty sure the Phelps clan will be picketing Heaven for daring to forgive all sorts of unsavory sinners. And I hope Matthew Shepard will be there grinning at them from within the pearly gates.
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Welease Woderwick
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Originally posted by Janine:
Imagine him there at the Gate covering Peter's break.
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PaulBC
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Phelps was according to CNN a civil rights lawyer back in the 1960s . What happened ? The world wonders ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif)
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Lyda*Rose
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A series of small strokes?
That's not exactly a joke.
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Golden Key
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"Nightline" just did a good piece on Phelps' son. (There isn't a direct link. Look for "Hating the Haters", about 6 min. long.) Seems like a nice guy.
Evidently, Fred abused his wife and all the kids. Shirley (another grown kid) acknowledged some of that, though she thought of it as discipline. I don't think I've seen Shirley before. Quite a piece of work
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Janine:
Imagine him there at the Gate covering Peter's break.
...and God meeting Fred in the guise of a beautiful drag queen. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Just long enough to make Her point and have a little talk with Fred; not so long that Fred will implode.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
"Nightline" just did a good piece on Phelps' son. (There isn't a direct link. Look for "Hating the Haters", about 6 min. long.) Seems like a nice guy.
Evidently, Fred abused his wife and all the kids. Shirley (another grown kid) acknowledged some of that, though she thought of it as discipline. I don't think I've seen Shirley before. Quite a piece of work
And the authorities have not prosecuted him for the abuse of his children because ?
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Golden Key
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Think2--
I wondered that myself. Maybe none of the kids have spoken up until recently? I don't know what the statutes of limitations are there.
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Originally posted by Think²:
And the authorities have not prosecuted him for the abuse of his children because ?
Probably because they're all so brainwashed and/or terrified that none of them will dare testify against him.
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Rossweisse
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I'm sure there's a statute of limitations; I know that evidence of abuse must be presented before such complaints are taken seriously, for obvious reasons.
My pen pal Shirley is one sick puppy. (But we knew that.)
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Kelly Alves
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I saw some footage recently of Shirley Phelps salivating over the idea of so many people going to Hell, Ross, and I Thought Of You. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Spiffy
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Aw! My friend Fred is coming to Portland!
Unfortunately, I've already got an out of town guest that weekend, so I won't be able to go see him and let him know how much he's done for me.
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mousethief
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You know, I wonder. Surely he has a home church he spends some Sundays in. A parade of taiko drummers past the church on a Sunday would be a great show of Japanese cultural heritage.
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jlg
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Hmmm, I wonder if there are some traditional hymns that could be sung along with taiko drumming? Maybe Onward Christian Soldiers or A Mighty Fortress Is Our God? Y'know, those old four-square conservative, somewhat militant ones {that should in theory appeal to the Phelps crowd} and tend to encourage everyone to sing full-blast?
I'm just really enjoying the picture of a bunch of people singing their hearts out (Christian or not) with the lovely taiko drumming in support. Though the thought of a Phelps paying any attention except to look for spin opportunities is even less likely than anyone managing to pull off the taiko/Christian hymnfest event.
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Weren't they greeted somewhere rather recently by a large group singing "Jesus Loves Me, This I Know"?
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jlg
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"Jesus Loves Me" doesn't mess with taiko drumming, though.
ETA: Nor with what appears to be the Phelps version of Christianity.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by jlg:
ETA: Nor with what appears to be the Phelps version of Christianity.
I think that was the whole point.
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The Phelps have a version of Christianity?
And here I thought they had started The Church of the Perverse Parody.
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Rossweisse
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Shirley Phelps-Roper's god is having none of that love stuff, and if you quote the Gospel of John to her she just gets angry.
I like the "hotties"...
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The Exegesis Fairy
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Worrying, isn't it? Not to mention she apparently (I looked it up) has the support of the Strong's concordance. (Not sure if she knows, it's probably evil too.) See definition 8(b) here.
Oh noes!
God loves everyone: the greatest lie ever told!
That one did raise a smile.
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Crœsos
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As an update from a (now closed) crossover thread, Constance McMillan, (a.k.a. "the prom lesbian") has apparently been run out of town.
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McMillen had said she faced hostility on campus and in the community in the aftermath of her actions.
“There was a lot of stuff going on at Itawamba. It was just really hard to do my homework, so I transferred to Jackson to get my diploma,” McMillen said. “There’s a large gay community there. All the teachers are very nice and very helpful.”
Despite this, the Phelps clan is going ahead with their plans to picket the graduation at Ms. McMillan's former high school, on the premise that the town didn't do enough discourage homosexuality.
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Meanwhile, officials in Itawamba County are preparing for a weekend protest at the district’s Saturday graduation. The Westboro Baptist Church’s website said members of the fundamentalist church would demonstrate in Fulton from 3 p.m. to 4 p.m. The church says parents did not teach their children to condemn homosexuality.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, a member and attorney for the Topeka, Kan.-based church, said the group will protest peacefully on a public sidewalk.
Apparently a campaign of discrimination and harrassment is regarded as insufficient by the Westboro Baptist Church.
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jlg
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Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
Their website ("Welcome, depraved sons and daughters of Adam ...") contains an article that carefully and with deep scholastic insight unpicks the commonly mistaken interpretation of John 3.16. Maybe Shirley gets bad tempered because she put a lot of thought into it and no one seems to have read it.
If she really wanted it read, she wouldn't have posted in a font taken from the bottom of the eye-exam poster combined with palest blue on a white background.
Can you say "Let's make it really hard to read and then complain that no one reads it"?
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Spiffy
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Apparently a campaign of discrimination and harrassment is regarded as insufficient by the Westboro Baptist Church.
Hey, it doesn't matter what you or your community did, it just matters how much media attention the WBC can get for picketing you.
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Golden Key
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And now, from the "Hell has frozen over!" department, Ann Coulter has condemned the Phelpses!
{No, I don't read her column. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) Given the John 3:16 development, I did a search to see if there was a "God loves Fred Phelps" site, and came across a blog that quoted the article above.}
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Golden Key
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OMG, Sine!
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The Phelpses threatened to show up in our town for a military funeral, causing much local uproar. I assumed it was an empty threat just to get attention, and that -- thank God -- turned out to be the case.
Turns out that all the extra uproar meant an impressive turnout along the route between church and cemetery. Ended up being a meaningful day for the community.
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Golden Key
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So, Sine, what are you going to wear? And you are, of course, going to get parishioners to welcome the Phelpses and escort them into the service? (Forcefully, if necessary.)
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We want pictures! And lots of details!
Ack, I think I'm jealous.
Ew.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Guess who's supposed to be coming to our place Sunday. And guess who's head usher at 11:00!
Wear the suspenders! Wear the suspenders!
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Lord Jestocost:
quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Not sure if this has been posted before. A video by Nate Phelps.
There are others.
And a transcript of his talk is available too. Horrifying and moving. "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble ..."
That's got to be one of the most sickening things I've ever read. I hope he finds peace.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Guess who's supposed to be coming to our place Sunday. And guess who's head usher at 11:00!
Wear the suspenders! Wear the suspenders!
Are these perhaps rainbow suspenders?
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Oh, the suspense!
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This is too funny...they picketed a non-denominational mega-church of a similar name out in the suburbs which while I’m sure is perfectly nice in it’s own way isn’t exactly the most liberal and/or gay friendly place in town. They must have been quite puzzled to have found themselves picketed, as well as two Baptist churches. I understand there were four picketers plus a child.
Anyway we were all disappointed, especially since we had a very good turnout at 11:00. Of course that could have been the Pentecost baptisms, but I doubt that explains the two exceptionally good looking young men who signed the visitors book, which proves that every cloud indeed has a silver lining.
I picked one of our gay couples to be the oblation bearers at the Offertory in a sort of F.U. to the ‘reverend’ Phelps and his ilk. Pity they weren’t there to see it.
(I went with tan seersucker suit and green & white bow tie as my confrontation outfit. Pity they weren’t able to see it either. It was much admired.)
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Oh what a bummer! They must have gotten lost.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Guess who's supposed to be coming to our place Sunday. And guess who's head usher at 11:00!
Wear the suspenders! Wear the suspenders!
The 'British English' meaning of this is both disturbing and quite appropriate...
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
(I went with tan seersucker suit and green & white bow tie as my confrontation outfit. Pity they weren’t able to see it either. It was much admired.)
Sine's posts often contain an elegance redolent of an era of gaslight and spats. I've always pictured him at the Cathedral on a Sunday morning in a pearl-grey morning coat, noiselessly signaling to his minions with a perfectly gloved hand.
Now I learn he wears seersucker before Memorial Day. I'm CRUSHED, I tell you.
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Tangent upon tangent:
The writer of this article suggests that in the South it is Easter that is the correct starting date for the wearing of white clothes (and by extension, I suppose, summer clothing).
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Originally posted by Organ Builder:
quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
(I went with tan seersucker suit and green & white bow tie as my confrontation outfit. Pity they weren’t able to see it either. It was much admired.)
Sine's posts often contain an elegance redolent of an era of gaslight and spats. I've always pictured him at the Cathedral on a Sunday morning in a pearl-grey morning coat, noiselessly signaling to his minions with a perfectly gloved hand.
That's iGeek. He accompanied me to Flausa and Alan's wedding in just such attire.
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
I went with tan seersucker suit and green & white bow tie as my confrontation outfit...
You have got to be kidding. I would think black leather and a garrot more appropriate - balaclava optional.
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PaulBC
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At least we can keep Fred & co out of Canada.
I believe he has been turned backed at the border on several occassions. I honestly think the man is crazy not to mention controllin sand just plain nasty . If he was all the only example of a believer I saw I would run the other way. Peace all
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