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Sioni Sais
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There's very little chance of that. However bankrupt his theology and doctrine may be the Phelpsians have plenty of cash and I suspect some rich backers who wouldn't be seen dead carrying those banners but have common cause with the Phelpsians.
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Matt Black
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A pox on them all, then
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Uncle Pete
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That'll probably be appealed by WBC tame lawyers. But it did give me a momentary warm feeling.
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Matt Black
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Most of them are lawyers, aren't they? God help my profession...
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Uncle Pete
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At least it's not the second oldest profession Matt! Be of good cheer!
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Liopleurodon
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
There's very little chance of that. However bankrupt his theology and doctrine may be the Phelpsians have plenty of cash and I suspect some rich backers who wouldn't be seen dead carrying those banners but have common cause with the Phelpsians.
Is that actually true, though? My guess is that the kind of far-right groups which might have sympathy with the extreme homophobia will probably be alienated by the "God hates America" stuff. I can't see an obvious audience for Phelps' views, other than his own family, who believe that their salvation depends on agreeing with him.
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Pigwidgeon
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Unfortunately, it hasn't slowed him down: Group Plans to Picket Va. Tech Funerals ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Liopleurodon:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
There's very little chance of that. However bankrupt his theology and doctrine may be the Phelpsians have plenty of cash and I suspect some rich backers who wouldn't be seen dead carrying those banners but have common cause with the Phelpsians.
Is that actually true, though? My guess is that the kind of far-right groups which might have sympathy with the extreme homophobia will probably be alienated by the "God hates America" stuff. I can't see an obvious audience for Phelps' views, other than his own family, who believe that their salvation depends on agreeing with him.
I'm sure many of the right-wing homophobes would be put off by Phelps' "God hates America" but only to the extent that they wouldn't be seen waving those placards. Some, possibly many, probably dobelieve that God has visited these plagues upon America for the same reasons that the Phelpsians do and blame politicians, the media and gays for that, not God.
Phelps and his kind crave attention. If they picket Virginia Tech, I think they will get more than they have ever had before.
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Unfortunately, it hasn't slowed him down: Group Plans to Picket Va. Tech Funerals
Oh. Fuck. Words fail me...
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
Unfortunately, it hasn't slowed him down: Group Plans to Picket Va. Tech Funerals
Figured that was coming. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) I wonder if he applies "God is pissed off!" theology when something bad happens to him?
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Matt Black
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What a c*nt
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Horatio Harumph
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words fail.
i was trying to think of something else to put, but words really do fail.
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They really do seem to have 'rejoice with those who rejoice and mourn with those who mourn' the wrong way round.
Haven't they read the gospel where Jesus tells us people killed by a falling tower were not being punished by God? How do they interpret Job?
At a loss to know what to do beyond turning anger to prayer somehow. And to thank God I didn't get born a Phelps! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Filius Luciferi
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206:'I've just been called by God to create a 'slap the shit out of assholes ministry' based in Topeka.'
How did He get your number?
How do you know it wasn't me?
Did He call 'collect' like they do in Church?
I like the Phelpses ... they're a bunch of cretins. Just one question though, when they say that 'God Hates Fags', do they mean it in the Brit or Yank sense? Can't see what God has against 20 Woodbines. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Pigwidgeon
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Welcome, Filius Luciferi -- I never thought of "godhatesfags" as an anti-smoking campaign!
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How did He get your number?
How do you know it wasn't me?
Did He call 'collect' like they do in Church?
My minions can address your petty little questions.
However, this is an opportune time to mention adequate financial support for the ministry God has laid on our hearts has been less than overwhelming.
Given that Fred and his ilk scare the bejeezus out of us, our official ministry policy is 'Cash first; action later'.
Much cash.
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Emma Louise
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I still havent quite worked out *how* they manage to pratice as lawyers. Would any client really go to someone as screwed up as the phelps? Would the Phelps be able to take a case unjudgementally? It does seem very odd.
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Trudy Scrumptious
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Originally posted by Ariel:
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Originally posted by Pigwidgeon:
I never thought of "godhatesfags" as an anti-smoking campaign!
Jesus hates it when you smoke.
Oh my gosh I want that SO much.
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Matt Black
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Personally I'm rather fond of faggots - especially in rich gravy. But according to Phred, they make Baby Jesus cry. I dunno - maybe he's worried about the cholesterol content. It's alright Phred, I don't eat them every day - they're just an occasional treat.
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Filius Luciferi
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quote:
Originally posted by 206:
Given that Fred and his ilk scare the bejeezus out of us, our official ministry policy is 'Cash first; action later'.
Much cash.
Great stuff! I'm glad to see that you maintain your priorities in good order.
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[ 25. April 2007, 11:35: Message edited by: Sarkycow ]
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Filius Luciferi
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Jesus hates it when you smoke.
In Hades we have no other option since all you God-botherers decided we should suffer eternal fire and brimstone. It may not exactly be Benson & Hedges ... but WE like it!
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Filius Luciferi
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[Go practice coding in the Styx.]
[ 25. April 2007, 11:35: Message edited by: Sarkycow ]
In Hades we still use the Enigma machine.
Somewhat slow, but adequate since we added a seventh rotor wheel. We tried hiding messages under wax as did the Lady Gorgo, but it melts as fast as you can apply the damn stuff down here. Hence the hi-tech solution.
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Mr Clingford
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Originally posted by Filius Luciferi:
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Jesus hates it when you smoke.
In Hades we have no other option since all you God-botherers decided we should suffer eternal fire and brimstone.
Oh no we didn't. And
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God-botherers?
What's wrong with that? Maybe she likes being given a bit of attention occasionally.
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by Emma.:
I still havent quite worked out *how* they manage to pratice as lawyers. Would any client really go to someone as screwed up as the phelps? Would the Phelps be able to take a case unjudgementally? It does seem very odd.
According to his Wikipedia entry, Fred started out as a fairly successful civil rights lawyer! Truth is indeed stranger than fiction...
[ETA - Also acc to Wiki, Shirley got her law degree from the same place as Daddy and works for the family firm]
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ReginaShoe
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
According to his Wikipedia entry, Fred started out as a fairly successful civil rights lawyer! Truth is indeed stranger than fiction...
Well, there is apparently more to that story than meets the eye. Check out this chapter from a book based largely on testimony from Phelps' estranged sons, Nate and Mark;
Chapter 6: The law of wrath
It's long, so you might want to start about 2/3 of the way down, where his civil rights litigation history is explored. A couple of quotes:
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Lawsuits were filed, but rarely went to trial-and even more rarely reached a decision. Instead, Phelps practiced what he always had: 'take-the-money-and run'....In the multi-million dollar Kansas Power and Light case, Phelps filed a class-action on behalf of 2,000 blacks who had accused the utility of discrimination in their hiring and promotion practices.
Fred settled out of court for the following: *Two black employees received $12,000 each. *$100,000 was paid out to the other plaintiffs. If one counts the original 2,000, that made for 50 bucks each.
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During their teenage years, both Mark and Nate worked as law clerks in their father's office. "When a black client was in there," recalls Nate, "my father would play the 'DN' game with us. It stands for 'dumb <you can figure it out>'. We would all try to use the acronym as often as possible in the presence of the person involved."
I also love how, when three of his kids failed to make the cut at Washburn law school, he sued the school on affirmative action grounds, claiming that his kids should be accorded the same privileges as black kids because of his civil rights litigation history. When two of them failed to make the cut again the next year, he turned around and sued the school again, this time for reverse discrimination because the school had admitted less qualified black candidates in 1984.
Oh, and by the way, I don't think that book ever actually got published. There were lawsuits involved...
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Matt Black
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Thanks for the clarification; I thought it sounded a bit too much out of character.
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Yeah that does make a lot more sense. Have to say I went back over the life history in wikki, wondering if there was some accident when he banged his head or something. The sermon he preached on the Louis Theroux's program was very perseverative - made me wonder if he had a form of dementia.
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I do wonder if people will picket his funeral.
L.
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Sadly, too true.
L.
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Alfred E. Neuman
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Originally posted by Louise:
I do wonder if people will picket his funeral.
I doubt there will be pickets; more likely wild partying, balloons, clowns and street dancing... that is unless he dies in prison and the ashes are buried out behind cellblock "F".
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Yeah but whatever way people respond, apart from ignoring it, he'd still be gratified to get a reaction. He's like an internet troll who needs his fix of attention to feel important, but he's become such a media 'celebrity' now that it's impossible to get people to ignore him.
To attention whores there is no such thing as negative attention.
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It occurred to me when watching the Louis Theroux programme that Fred Phelps could be gay. Yes really! There's some research around to suggest that people who express hate and aggression towards homosexuals are in denial about their own homosexual inclinations. I wish Louis Theroux had been able to put this to Phelps - his reaction would have been wonderful to behold.
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Jahlove
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Well, he clearly has a *thing* about homosexuality as the *cause* of all the problems experienced in American society, I doubt, though, whether *confronting* 'Pastor Fred' with such an accusation would have got Louis Theroux (or anyone) any more satisfactory responses than were demonstrated on that programme.
Interviewer: Pastor Fred: are you not, in fact, a repressed gay?
Pastor Fred: The Bible clearly states that homoseckshuls go to Ha-yull to burn fer all eternity.
Interviewer: Oh, OK, then
Unless and until everyone can either ignore or just point and laugh at Fred and his ilk, howe'er disguised, we will have these discussions
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I think Theroux could have pursued the point. The 'burn in hell' response wouldn't have answered the point about Phelps being a repressed gay.
Perhaps some enterprising group could produce car stickers etc with the question. 'Is Fred Phelps Gay?
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Golden Key
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I shudder to think what Fred might do if someone started a campaign like that...
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Kelly Alves
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What the hell could he do? He's been hiding behind the first amendmant forever. How would he backtrack?
I'd prefer something a little more pungent: "Phred Phelps: Textbook Closet Case."
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Phred, the Lion and the Wardrobe? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Golden Key
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Kelly--
Well, he could step up what he's already doing, he could do it in a more extreme way, he could get violent.
If people do a "Fred's gay!" campaign, he's not apt to stop what he's already doing and he's not apt to move to the Castro district of SF and march proudly in the next Gay Pride parade.
That kind of campaign would help people vent, but it would only make the situation worse.
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Kelly Alves
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He's gonna keep up what he's doing and find excuses to do it no matter what anybody does. If people help each other laugh at his silly ass, it might at least take away some of his power.
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Alfred E. Neuman
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Maybe an expeditionary force (with night-goggles and stuff) could sneak through his bedroom window, strap a leather mask and ball gag on him, drag him out in the front yard and work him over with truncheons and stun guns while taking pictures. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Kelly Alves
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Or maybe a strapping healthy man can attempt to seduce him. Go ahead, Gort.
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Alfred E. Neuman
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Gort looked deeply into Phred's eyes over the dry martini. Understanding flickered there as his hand moved to the tinman's knee...
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quote:
Originally posted by Gort:
Maybe an expeditionary force (with night-goggles and stuff) could sneak through his bedroom window, strap a leather mask and ball gag on him, drag him out in the front yard and work him over with truncheons and stun guns while taking pictures. Yeah, that's the ticket.
oooh me! pick me! pick me! I wanna go!
(what the hell is a ball gag? do I want to know?)
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I should imagine that Google is your friend. Perhaps best not to do that search at work though
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nah, I'll let my poor innocent mind stay in it's Happy Place and not traumatize it anymore than necessary.
you sickos can just carry on...
( a ball gag? but they don't have little mouths to gag...? what is the point?)
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