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The little teastand was already proving worth its weight in.. er. sand. People seemed to be flocking around, talking ceaselessly or else maintaining a stunned silence. Still, taciturn or verbose, as long as they were drinking tea they were welcome at Miss Smudgeson's tearoo..er...teatent.
A new customer approached and Miss Smudgeson greeted her with a smile, as yet unable to answer the lady's query about the matter that seemed to be causing such consternation in the camp. But the other customers were not reticent in answering her question and it soon became evident that sand was not the only thing to worry about in this godforsaken place.
Time for a cup of tea.

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Professor Craig Champion read the letter and immediately telephoned for flights to Egypt. His interest had been piqued and his nasal passages had been picked. This was more than interesting; it was intriguing.

He could smell that something here was not as it seemed.

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Andrew greeted Professor Craig Champion at the airport. He was a colleague of his father, and a good friend of the family.

"My condolences. Lord Whisker will be greatly missed. Such a tragedy".

"Thank you, Professor. It has been very difficult. My father wanted you to know all about the excavations. I have arranged a private tour. I have to warn you though, I fear we are all in grave danger. There are dark powers in action. And the Old Gods can't do much to help yet."


Professor Craig Champion nodded meaningfully.

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Haji didn't feel at all guilty that his meditation had consisted mainly of doing math -- after all, his people did invent it! He had to make some random guesses, but here was a first analysis.

The guesses relate to how many of each role we have. He guessed 1 vigilante, 3 cultist and 3 masons.

1) If we don't lynch anyone, the vigilante has a shot tonight. They know they're innocent, but have no further information. This gives them a 3/13 chance of killing a cultist.

2) Suppose we lynch someone. The only people with any information to work with are the cultists and the masons. The cultists can be sure of putting up an innocent for lynching, the masons can pick at random and get a 3/11 chance of nominating a cultist (which is better than anyone else at this stage). If the mob votes randomly (and, with no further information, there's not a lot else to do), then we have a 3/22 chance of killing a cultist by nominating.

Haji decided, as much as it went against his instincts, to spread this advice by rumor instead of preaching it from the rooftops: it was somewhat provisional, being so heavily based on guess work.

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"Good Lord!" exclaimed Lady B to Rose and Hyacinth. "There are Professors popping up everywhere! Tavish is already casting suspicions; alliances seem to be being formed - and poor dear Archie not even in his coffin yet. However I am quite sure the dig must go on. It is what Lord Whisker would have wanted."

She knew that she should not withdraw her financial backing; but was disturbed about the sort of person who might push themselves forward to take charge of the venture in this time of fraught feeling.

"What I really need," she said half to herself, "is a damned good lawyer."

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Haji,

3 cultists may not be a bad guess. Likewise, 3 masons sounds right (one, and it's not much of a lodge, two, and the advantage is minimal, and four would be excessive). But why a vigilante and not a doctor or detective?


Lady Bernardine,

My brother-in-law is a fine lawyer. I will gladly arrange an introduction for a small consideration.

(Five Eygptian pounds, or equivalent in dollars, francs or sterling, would be customary. I mention this as I am sure a Lady of undoubtedly generous nature such as yourself would not wish to give offence by offering too much.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Eliab:
3 cultists may not be a bad guess. Likewise, 3 masons sounds right (one, and it's not much of a lodge, two, and the advantage is minimal, and four would be excessive). But why a vigilante and not a doctor or detective?

I'd guess that just at the moment the doctor and the detective are in the same boat as the rest of us. They can't do anything on this turn to get rid of the cultists except nominate someone at random. The vigilante has no more knowledge than anyone else but they can kill someone at random. (3/12 of getting a cultist - the vigilante is not going to kill themselves.)

Dai noticed people gathering around the tea urn. Tea? Tea wouldn't wipe out the memory of eldritch events, incomprehensible to sanity, whose very occurrence undermined man's faith in a rational universe, fuliginous events that hinted at a world of which man was Not Meant to Know!! Shuddering at the recollection of England beating Wales at rugby, Dai went off to find something stronger.

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Originally posted by Dafyd:
I'd guess that just at the moment the doctor and the detective are in the same boat as the rest of us. They can't do anything on this turn to get rid of the cultists except nominate someone at random. The vigilante has no more knowledge than anyone else but they can kill someone at random.

The point was, why assume there is a vigilante (rather than a doctor or detective) in the camp at all?

I suppose Haji might be working on the basis that there's at least one of each, (and didn't mention the irrelevant roles) but we have no guarantee that this is the case. Personally I think it unlikely that lmost everyone here is a special something, and in fact those other roles aren't irrelevant. We have to factor in the chance of killing a valuable detective, or losing our vigilante and our veteren, as well.

Point taken that IF we have a vigilante, voting for no lynching has a higher chance of getting a cultist than voting between (at best) a Masonic and a cultist nomination. It also tells us less from argument and voting, and we stand a better chance of losing a useful innocent (a falsely accused doctor can protest his innocence, one whose throat is cut in his sleep cannot). But we don't even know if we have a vigilante (and that is not a role that should be made public), and if we do, he or she may be a fool.

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Rose sighed. Far too much hubbub for her to carry out the planned leisurely review of her well-thumbed Champollion. She thumbed through the broadsheet that had appeared -- several copies lay on the teatent's tables. One was marked "second edition" but she could not find any difference between that and the unmarked, presumably first, edition.

The thing is (she mused aloud), the Guardians of Senkhet have a 100% chance of killing someone every night. No, wait, only a nearly 100% chance, because perhaps the doctor might save their victim, or perhaps they might strike at a veteran and lose one of their own number at the same time. Still, how long should the innocent wait before flinging accusations? Perhaps the best strategy is to ploy their measly 3/22 chances as early as possible by nominating and lynching someone. Or if not, how good should the chances get before the innocent risk lynching someone?

We may not be allowed to go to bed until we've nominated and voted. If so, then if we innocents want the option of lynching no-one, then we should nominate at least 3 people to preserve the possibility of a hung vote.

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Personally, I believe we should start taking nominations for lynchings. Now, we do have the option of saying that none of those nominated ought to be lynched, which may be what we all decide on, but, without voting and discussion, our friendly band of cultists won't get a chance to slip up and reveal themselves.

Therefore, I'm proposing this: we nominate a few more-or-less random camp members for lynching (not because we bear you any ill will, mind you), then, after discussion—and assuming that a Guardian doesn't blow his or her cover—we vote against lynching anyone. This will allow our vigilante, if we have one, to act; as has been said, he or she has a greater chance of eliminating a Guardian than we as a group do. However, if we decide not to lynch and nothing happens, then we have conclusive knowledge that it really is up to us to investigate and prosecute these criminals as a group.

And, as a final note: I hereby offer the services of me and my men as a firing squad for when we do finally capture one of these accursed cultists.

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And, if I may take my own advice . . .

Rose Autenrieth, why should you not be the first camp member with her back against the wall?

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Is that a question or a nomination?

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quote:
Originally posted by Eliab:

I suppose Haji might be working on the basis that there's at least one of each, (and didn't mention the irrelevant roles) but we have no guarantee that this is the case.

That was indeed my assumption, which I tried to flag as dubious so as people might take it with the pinch of salt it deserves. I also see the advantage of discussing in order to gather information.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eliab:
Point taken that IF we have a vigilante, voting for no lynching has a higher chance of getting a cultist than voting between a Masonic and a cultist nomination. It also tells us less from argument and voting, and we stand a better chance of losing a useful innocent.

I hadn't actually taken in the implications of Haji's probabilities... I think that's because they're counterintuitive, and because I agree with you that the benefits of argument and discussion shift the balance of probabilities.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eliab:
Point taken that IF we have a vigilante, voting for no lynching has a higher chance of getting a cultist than voting between (at best) a Masonic and a cultist nomination. It also tells us less from argument and voting, and we stand a better chance of losing a useful innocent (a falsely accused doctor can protest his innocence, one whose throat is cut in his sleep cannot). But we don't even know if we have a vigilante (and that is not a role that should be made public), and if we do, he or she may be a fool.

I don't understand. Are you proposing we try to lynch someone, or that we try to avoid lynching someone? The vigilante will get their chance tonight (if they exist) whether or not we lynch someone during the day. (Odds are that we will miss lynching the vigilante by accident during the day.)

AIUI, once nominations have been made, we can't vote for "no lynching", but if we have 3 or more nomincations then, as a group, we can split our groups and avoid giving anyone the 51% necessary to lynch.

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AIUI, once nominations have been made, we can't vote for "no lynching", but if we have 3 or more nomincations then, as a group, we can split our groups and avoid giving anyone the 51% necessary to lynch.

"split our votes", not "split our groups".

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:


The vigilante may kill one person overnight on the days on which no one is lynched (and those days only).

I don't think there's been a definitive ruling (though Haji wasn't quite sure why he was regarding that strange ethereal voice that emanated from the sky every now and then as definitive) on whether we can vote for "no lynching" or not.

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Oh, I missed that about the Vigilante only being able to act if no-one has been lynched (Rose murmured to Haji).

Sheesh, reading these inscribed Life Is Red Rules was giving her a headache.

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Any player who gets 51% or more (i.e. absolute majority) of the vote is lynched. Voting is compulsory for all players .
Rose knelt in prayer. "Please, dear oracle, let us know if when we vote as required, we must vote for a nominated name, or can vote No Lynching instead."

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Time for a rules clarification, methinks [Biased]

When we get to that, there will be a “no lynching” option that you can vote for. What you can’t do is not vote at all.

Hope that helps.

AIUI, there is one nomination so far, for Rose Autenrieth by Lt Madoc. Any more? You have about 24 hours left to get any extra nominations in.

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Yes Rose, you have been nominated, in case you were wondering.

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Thank you for the clarification. It's rather lonely here by the wall. I nominate Professor Montgomery Llewellyn Stewart McBride (Imaginary Friend). If for some reason we're not agreed about not lynching someone, I want there to be someone else to split the vote with. By having more than one nominee, we may get more information. He hasn't said anything since Lord Whiskers was found murdered.

It goes without saying that I'm innocent. I think I was nominated just because I was the most recent person to post when AA came along with his entirely reasonable proposal to nominate someone.

I think our best course of action is to arrange a No Lynching for at least the first day, because of the odds described above involving the perhaps Vigilante.

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Tavish checked his moustache for remnants of tea. Boy, that woman knew how to make a good cuppa. And talking of women, where did all these fine specimens pop up from ?
He agreed with the one who said that Professors were popping up everywhere, and not just the ones with fancy titles. Everyone seemed to be spouting a theory of how we cope, panicked that now the Big Whisker had gone -
(and just how many people offered to help Tavish deal with the man's body to have it sent home ? Exactly) -
as if this meant we were all going to be dropping like flies.
Sure enough, justice had to be done, but no need to go round getting rid of your fellow man (or woman) willy-nilly.
He would let the rest talk all they want, and see what happened. He wasn't a school books clever man like them, but he did know the value of watching for those who talked too much, and those who said too little.
He went to get another cuppa, wondering if his accent would still sway the foreign* lassies like it used to


*i.e. not Scottish

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quote:
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I think our best course of action is to arrange a No Lynching for at least the first day, because of the odds described above involving the perhaps Vigilante.

I don't.

We don't know if we have a vigilante at all. We don't know (and don't want to know) who it is, and therefore can't judge his or her competence. We learn nothing from vigilante killings - we don't see who supported the death and why. We increase the risk of killing useful innocents.

I'd rather not rely on that to beat the cultists. The vigilante (if there is one) may be useful if we genuinely can't agree, or the cultists manage to dead-lock every vote, but we should not abdicate responsibility for solving the case to an unknown agent. The cultists are much more likely than not to kill the vigilante before he (or she) gets them all, and the possible presence of a veteren makes matters worse.

I say, we should all vote according to our best judgement of who is guilty, and give a full account of our reasons. We might not get a majority. That will still tell us something. If we deliberately aim at a null result, that says only that we weren't willing to make a decision, and gives the cultists a great crowd of the non-committed to hide in. We want non-commital to be conspicuous and suspicious, because we need the cultists to declare their convictions if we are to spot them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Eliab:

I suppose Haji might be working on the basis that there's at least one of each, (and didn't mention the irrelevant roles) but we have no guarantee that this is the case.

That was indeed my assumption, which I tried to flag as dubious so as people might take it with the pinch of salt it deserves.
If that does turn out to be the case, then I should point out that IF the detective can clear three innocent people (and if one of these is the defector, he stays loyal), and we avoid lynching any known innocent, then we can win.

I'll say that now in case I get murdered before it applies. If there are three masons now, and in three days time the detective has cleared enough people to bring the total of innocents to four plus him/herself, then the ‘knowns' outnumber the ‘unknowns' five to three. There's complications if the detective clears Masons, or if a lynching fails or an assassination is thwarted, of course, but in principle, IF it's right that we have all available specials, three days' time is about the point that we should be looking at role-claims. At that point, the doctor (if there is one) should guard the detective*. I would suggest that a Mason (if there is one) makes the first appeal at that stage if the strategy looks viable (ie. the detective is not dead), since we give away less if we sacrifice a Mason and there turns out to be no detective, than if the detective claims and there turn out to be no Masons. If there are no Masons, it's not viable - and no one claims.

The defector, as I've said, can (and should) declare themself now, and if the Camp look like winning, can stay loyal and help us. Since the cultists can beat my plan only by taking out the detective before we clear enough innocents to win, they can't afford to kill a known defector. The defector can afford to switch at the last minute if the plan fails, but I'm guessing they will prefer to stick with certain victory.

Because life is rarely so kind, I doubt that we do have at least one of each role. But if we do, then if we're smart, we're going to win.


*In the interim, of course, the doctor should be guarding me.

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(tangent)
every time I play this game, I'm reminded why i said I wouldn;t play again.

My brain hurts [Help]

why is this game so complicated ? why can't we go back to old fashioned goodies versus baddies, with either 1 doctor or 1 detective?
(end tangent)

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There appears to be a need for this:

Eli Abrahams' Executive Guidance Notes for Surviving Attacks by Murderous Cultists


(50 piastre, all profits go to the Distressed Jewish Fixers' Retirement Fund)


If you are a:

citizen - blather away as much as you want about everything you think of. Do not declare your role EVER. Nominate, and vote to lynch, people who are (i) quiet; (ii) guilty; or (iii) Eli Abrahams has nominated.

doctor - Do not declare your role unless (a) accused and likely to be lynched; or (b) contradicting a false claimant. Act normal. Protect the detective. If the detective has not declared himself, protect Eli Abrahams.

detective - investigate someone every night. Accuse the guilty. Express your thoughts tentatively and your findings with certitude. Don't draw attention to yourself, but don't hide away either. Act normal. Do not declare your role unless (a) accused and likely to be lynched; (b) contradicting a false claimant; or (c) doing so wins.

mason - do not declare your role unless (a) accused; (b) contradicting a false claimant; or (c) at least day 3. Act normal.

defector - declare your role immediately. Investigate every night. Relax. Pick a side that is going to win.

vigilante - do not declare your role unless (a) accused; or (b) contradicting a false claimant. If you kill anyone, don't make mistakes. Act normal.

veteran - do not declare your role unless (a) accused; or (b) contradicting a false claimant. Act normalier than normal.

miller - pray. In fact, you might as well tell us who you are and save us a wasted investigation.

Guardian of Senkhet - give up now. Or, better still, try bribery. Bribery is good. Hard currency only please. In advance.


Read the part that pertains to you, and do it. You will have a better than even chance of making out of the camp alive.

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quote:
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why can't we go back to old fashioned goodies versus baddies, with either 1 doctor or 1 detective?
(end tangent)

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A lot of information had been put out which Haji needed guidance on from above. He decided to enter into a 30 hour period of fasting and prayer to discern his action when the time to vote came. It was a mystery of the faith that he thought he'd be able to get his 30 hours in before night fell.

[OOC: On the road for a while, see you all soon... hopefully in time to vote. /OOC]

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Nominations closed

We shall now move to a vote.

You may vote for
  • Rose Autenrieth (Autenrieth Road), nominated by Lt Madoc
  • Professor McBride (Imaginary Friend) nominated by Rose Autenrieth
  • no lynching

As previously explained, any player who gets an absolute majority of the vote will be lynched.

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Oh forgot to say it would make it easier for me if you can please cast your vote in bold type.

Cheers.

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The Professor had been inexplicably busy and hadn't noticed the crowd baying his name. Bizarre, that. But now that the time for a defense had passed, he decided that he would make his intentions plain by casting the first vote for no lynching. He was innocent, but equally did not want to make any retaliatory move on someone against whom he had no evidence. He thought it best to let the specialists do their thing for a night and then to see if the picture was any clearer in the morning.

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Good Lord, even though I said there were professors popping up everywhere, that doesn't mean to say that I want to bump one of them off. And to lynch, I mean actually lynch a young woman for no good reason other than her dreadful taste in hats is beyond belief. She is no doubt looking at that yard-arm over where the camels are pegged in a different way now.

Lady Bernardine votes for no lynching.

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Papagena wandered from tent to tent. Some people were more friendly to visitors than others. On the night of the murder, she was away visiting a sphinx. Seeing the commotion the next morning she strolled over, but as no one was there who would feed her even a scrap, and since the air was full of angst, she crept back into the desert. Peace was a prime commodity in her life, but still, she wondered who would be the person around this camp who would disturb the peace of the sands of time in such a way. She hoped there would be no lynching.

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Tempting though it is, if we follow that pattern every single cultist has an easy fit with the rest of the crowd. It will be a wasted day and we learn nothing.

On the principle of voting (at least at first) for the least active nominee:

Professor McBride.


(Also - do we not get a defence phase on this rules-set?)

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I vote to lynch Professor McBride.

[ETA: the defense phase runs concurrently with the nominations.]

[ 20. October 2010, 01:15: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]

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Lieutenant Madoc noticed the small black cat squeeze under his tent wall. He extended his hand, letting her rub against it, before scratching her behind her ears, then stroking her idly. Of course, when the moggie figured out that all she was getting was petted, not fed, she quickly leapt from his lap, lifted her tail straight into the air and pointedly walked away, the tip flicking as she stepped.

Silly kitty.

Even though he'd nominated her, Owain thought it not particularly likely that Rose was actually a cultist—well, no more likely than anyone else, that is. She was quite right in supposing that her nomination rested mostly in being in the right place at the right time; if Eli was right in supposing that the Guardians would like nothing more than to remain unnoticed, then Rose was certainly not one of them. She'd certainly attracted the young lieutenant's notice, that much was certain!

No, it seemed as if Professor McBride, rival of the late Lord Whiskers, might have benefited from a more vocal defense than silence. Owain knew that his men were crack shots; it wouldn't be hard to assemble a few of them for a squad if need be . . .

[ 20. October 2010, 03:28: Message edited by: AristonAstuanax ]

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Dai agrees with Eli Abrahams that a lynching is better than no lynching.
Both nominations are shots in the dark. I think I'm going to go with the one that has the greater weight of support at this moment.
Professor McBride

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Arsène Beauregard is currently confined to his tent (sunstroke, no doubt) and has asked the oracle to proxy for him.

He votes for no lynching.

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Professor McBride does seem like a viable target at this time, thinks Professor Champion. Hope it turns out worthwhile (sorry McBride).

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Rose Autenrieth seems pretty suspicious insisting we need to split votes and not lynch anyone just yet. When are we going to lynch people, when we are all dead? I also don't approve of her picking up "randomly" (was it that random?) Professor McBride and nominating the old chap for lynching.

If Rose turns out to be a criminal mastermind, then we'll know that McBride was innocent. Of course, if McBride gets lynched and he is found to be sinister, then Rose will be innocent. At any case, I choose to give McBride's silence the benefit of doubt at this time in the game, errrr, I meant life.

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Seth heard chatter on the wind about lynching. He didn't like it. There was a good chance that the wrong person might get it. On the other hand, the winds did tell him that the wagons were circling around Professor McBride . Maybe the game of risk would pay off for once.He asked his chief camel, who appeared to grunt in agreement. Decision made, he sat down with his back to the wind and pulled the linen down over his face as he waited for the approaching sand storm.

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Tavish's head still hurt. That tea was strong, and the infernal heat wasn't helping.
He pondered whether
- the kind thing to do was vote for no lynching, and see what happened,
- or whether the best thing for these Guardian chappies to be doing was to try and get a majority "no lynching" in order to keep safe one of their "ain folk".
- Or would they instead wait for someone they knew was innocent to get nominated, and then jump on them with suspicions of silence, and convince everyone that we hve to do something:trade; ?
Should we try and avoid the "double whammy" of an innocent being lynched, followed by a further murder in the night ?
When there are 3 options, how can you let the toss of a coin decide ?
He went for a lie down in a cool place to think this over further

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quote:
Originally posted by Eli Abrahams:
3. Be alert. (Camp Sarastro, as your English humour charmingly puts it, has a requirement for lerts)

You don't have three options, Mr McCallum. You have two.

Rose is safe. Even if everyone still to vote thinks her guilty, they can't form a majority. Voting for her at this point is functionally identical to wanting 'no lynching'.

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Can't someone change his vote before everybody has voted? If so, then all options are on the table. Or am I engaging in wishful thinking now, cause I didn't want to see Rose off the hook this easily? I'd appreciate it if a kind ethereal voice would explain if it's possible to change votes before everybody has voted.

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Lady Bernadine had retired to her tent during the heat of the long afternoon. It was stiflingly hot and there was a feeling of evil oppression pervading the camp. She picked up her exquisitely bound travel bible (Madeleine's parting gift to her), and, opening it at the chapter of John, her eyes fell upon these words:

'Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, "Do not write 'The King of the Jews,' but that this man claimed to be the King of the Jews." Pilate answered, "What I have written, I have written."

She sighed, and pondered the power of the written word.

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Sorry El Greco, votes, like nominations cannot be withdrawn once made.

(If I once start allowing it there'll be bedlam afterwards)

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What did my people bother inventing the abacus for if no-one's going to use it? [Yes, yes, some heathen scholars claim the Chinese invented it, but we all know the real story...]

Currently, No Lynching has 4 votes; Rose A, 1; McBride, 6. With three people left to vote, McBride needs two of these to hang. Two votes either for no lynching or Rose means no lynching will occur, so my vote decides nothing... in the interests of testing to see whether or not there's a vigilante: no lynching.

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The death of Archie still weighing heavily on his mind, Tavish voted for No lynching
and if there were to be one, he wasn;t going to watch.

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Miss Smudgeson was astounded. This was indeed a strange lawless land where people could be accused of heinous crimes and punished without recourse to fair trial. She was shocked, frightened, but also surprised to find a frisson of excitement at the thought of being so far from civilisation. Not that one was ever that far from civilisation where there was a nice cup of tea to be found.

She considered the options. The nice young lady who had begun to frequent the teatent and whose conversation was so congenial or the irritable archaeologist with the ridiculously pretentious long name?

No, relieved that she was not in any position which entailed her vote making a difference, Miss Smudgeson was able to go with her natural inclination and vote for no lynching.

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The final votes are in.

  • Rose Autenrieth - one vote
  • Professor McBride six votes
  • no lynching seven votes

No one is lynched today.

And with that, night falls.
Those of you who have a night action, please PM me now.

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