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I'm interested in hearing more from the people who nominated late. I'm firmly behind the first-day-blind-lynch strategy, although I understand that there are enough people who aren't that we can't really make any judgments based on that. Once we already had three people up, why nominate anyone else? The only reason I can think of is to split the vote in order to avoid lynching someone already nominated.
The relevant late nominators are Fr. Didier, Sgt. Harry and Lord Harvis. The early nominated are Fr. Didier, Sylvander and Lt. Alice. Fr. Didier's nomination makes some sense as he could have just been trying to protect himself. But, this does make me a little suspicious of all the rest of the people I just listed. Of course, most of them are probably innocent, and they might all be. If Sgt. Harry and Lord Harvis could explain themselves, I'd sleep happier tonight.
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As for a defence, I don't think I have much to say. I was nominated for my silence, which is easily explainable by my having just got off the boat and settling into my new quarters. Now that I'm speaking and contributing more, is there really a case against me?
The first day's lynching is never easy. Nobody has really had time to do anything particularly suspicious, so it's hard to know who to choose. The tactic of nominating someone (i.e. myself) to encourage them to speak is a good one, so I don't blame Sylvain de la Botte Trouée for that. There's nothing inherently suspicious about him as of yet.
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b) As a new player she is blank space, so I want her to talk
I can tell you that I have played this game a lot in real life (there's a society at our university that meet every Friday for it), but not very often online. I'm finding things a little more difficult with the absence of body language related cues.
If you want a hint about my usual tactics, I tend to find that the more aggressive I am, the more likely I am to be lynched early, so I don't often jump up and make a nomination unless I've got some fairly strong suspicions. At the moment, I don't have any suspicions really, so when it comes to a vote I'll probably go for one of the late nominators (following Lt. Hearte's logic), unless someone presents a better case.
The most important thing is that we do have a lynching today. No lynching only favours the conspirators, by essentially giving them a free shot.
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
What Second Officer Hodge says about the suspiciousness of Father Didier makes sense.
I do not agree.
Please, nursie, do not be awed by a player’s reputation as a mastermind! Especially if that reputation consists solely in the player’s self-perception. [The radio operator-cum-suffragette was on my team twice, once as a baddie, and I never noticed any particular skills, nor did anyone else in our team comment to that effect]. Remember Camp Sarastro where the doctor kept protecting the same player for many nights based on his reputation, not current merit, allowing him to lead into the lynching of four innocents.
Rather ask: Why does the suffragette so adamantly stir suspicion against Fr Didier (Ariston Ast)? It seems rather far-fetched to suspect him so strongly on the sheer basis of his nominating her on day one – at a point when we all (well, except two to four of us) are rather stabbing in the dark. She claims this is because he thinks her a genius of analysis. I don’t know whether he (or anybody else) does, but I do know that the reverse is definitely true, she thinks he is very clever and dangerous. Could she be projecting her very own state of mind onto him …? As a conspirator and by her own logic she would well be interested in getting him lynched.
What rather puzzles me, are the radio-suffragette’s own weird posts. Even allowing for a big ego, her self-aggrandizement sounds strangely over the-top. Why crow so loudly when a really dangerous player would lie a bit lower? What psychological moment is at play here? I’ll think about it and come back.
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Lord Jarvis Fastolfe of Harrisford was turning towards a rather good mood. He had had a lovely "Choco Scotch" to his dinner, and he was no more than willing to admit that he had indeed been stabbing through a glass darkly in his accusation of the Welshman.
He didn't know whom to cast his vote for in the upcoming election (he spit thrice over his left shoulder at the thought of listening to popular vote) to eternal office, but he knew that it was probably a good idea to get rid of someone. He was slowly coming to a realization that maybe pure xenophobia was not in this case (despite past successes) the best solution.
The fact that he had let his emotions rule him so (and maybe also a slight trace of fear at the thought of the populace turning towards the aristocracy, as so often in the past) bothered him. He had made a mistake. Now the risk was greater than ever for a split vote, that dreaded curse that plague on man. The situation obviously needs decisiveness, so he would make sure to get someone kicked off the line. A lynching, as it would inevitably be, would have some chance to get a conspirator, although it would be hard to find one amongst all these bloodless cretins. Most of them seemed innocent of this particular crime. It seemed that few people had acted suspiciously, mostly because so few had acted at all. Miss Hodge's accusation of Fr Didier did have some point to it, but it could well also just be an attempt at getting off the line herself. He also doubted her, precisely because of, as she said, her special skills.
Lord Fastolfe didn't know who to vote for presently, but he would actually prefer to keep both Fr Didier and Miss Hodge under a watchful eye, and instead try to get someone of those less talkative people.
He didn't at all agree with Sgt Bournemouth on that all people would get talkative - of course, just like there were people of different classes and also quality, some fit to rule and some fit for the front lines (remarkably seldom the same people), some people were born to make speeches and some were born with a blessing of being better off with their mouths shut. No matter the situation there was inevitably some who would seldom speak, even though that might be seen as incriminating themselves. It might be wise to get rid of them in particular, though.
ETA: In the time Lord Jarvis Fastolfe of Harrisford took thinking, he noticed that more people than before had let their voices be heard.
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Jacob, had finally heard what had been going on. He was rather shocked at the generals death, he hadn't expected to get really close to death. He'd almost thrown up when he'd seen the fellow with one foot, Dai or whatever his name was a little later.
The sergeant, was slightly wary of talking too much, but Jacob still gathered a number of facts, firstly that his mother was clearly a Dickens fan.
But slightly more relevantly that his vague comment about seeing the monk in the gardens was being taken very seriously.
The monk had tried to pass the buck to a WREN with pretensions of being the next Holmes, who had taken this as evidence of the monks guilt. That was definitely some interesting dynamics.
Some Lord had accused the Welshman on grounds of having an Irish name.
A Hello Girl had pointed out that Colonel's were most likely to take a revolvers to a meeting, but they could be concealed..
Two others had been nominated on their retiring or stealthy nature and being recent arrivals, Eliza and one only known as Pax
If Jacob was asked, well he knew he couldn't risk the mockery of the troops, so his vote was clear [but it wasn't time to make it yet] but he hoped that he wouldn't be responsible for another death.
He was unconvinced that an actual lynching was a good thing, some people said waiting just gave the traitors a free chance, but knowing a random corpses innocence gave no extra information yet, and he saw it as wasting a chance later. If only he were good at probability.
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Originally posted by Sylvander:
[The radio operator-cum-suffragette was on my team twice, once as a baddie, and I never noticed any particular skills, nor did anyone else in our team comment to that effect].
That’s not what you said at the time ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
Possibly I am over-estimating my own abilities. However I’ve hardly been ‘adamant’. I said I had a ‘sliver of a suspicion’. I thought that was rather hesitant.
I’m quite open to the possibility that I’m completely wrong. I was just following what looks to me like the only viable (albeit very slim) lead in a sea of no information. However if I do turn out to be right about Fr Didier, I shall note your taking sides with him against me.
Yes I’m being talkative at present. But I have nothing to hide and I frankly don’t expect to survive all that long out here in Paschendaele (whether by assassination or orchestrated lynching) so I might as well talk while I still have the chance.
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Originally posted by Amorya:
The most important thing is that we do have a lynching today. No lynching only favours the conspirators, by essentially giving them a free shot.
Dai is not convinced. It seems to him that there's something to be said for giving the fanatic time to work. That means, not lynching the fanatic by accident, nor anyone that the fanatic thinks is innocent.
It's true, Dai adds, that we can't rely too much on the fanatic, since as soon as the fanatic speaks up they will be killed - the nurse can only protect them for a day. (Oh for a doctor.) And we know that there's a traitor among us who will confuse the fanatic, and there may be a guilty artillerist. So we mustn't be too reliant on the fanatic.
Even so, Dai would counsel against being too eager to lynch someone.
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Two more questions for Eliab:
1) If either the traitor or the fanatic investigate an artillerist, will they know that they came across an artillerist? Or are they just told that the person they've investigated is innocent?
2) Voting is compulsory; but is voting for no lynching an option?
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
1) If either the traitor or the fanatic investigate an artillerist, will they know that they came across an artillerist? Or are they just told that the person they've investigated is innocent?
The artillerist will simply appear innocent to either fanatic or traitor. They will receive no indication at all of any special role.
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2) Voting is compulsory; but is voting for no lynching an option?
Yes, 'no lynching' is a valid vote.
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For defense, Colonel de la Botte Trouée thought of no further, seeing he was accused because of the murder weapon. With a First World War being on, committing murder by shooting is rather not so outlandish.
IF he was lynched he'll have it however be known that he'll take the matter up with the European Court of Human Rights (in due course, i.e. after its installation in 80 years). Seeing he's French a lynching would constitute a xenophobic act and he'd be entitled to compensation.
He then considered who to vote for.
With six nominations a lynching is unlikely in any case, I'm afraid. This, received wisdom has it, suits Mafia fine and this would make those nominating late look suspicious. But so many factors intervene (time zones, RL…) that over-interpretation lurks everywhere (I think I nominated when they were already two nominees). And is no-lynching on day one really so much better for Mafia? The advantage may be small. E.g. earlier in the game the innocents are less likely to hit conspirators by luck anyway. But depending on role distribution we're just as likely to kill some useful villager before he can ever have been useful. So no-lynching will not just mean a “wasted shot” but also that we do not risk losing possible information gained overnight. (On the other hand, all such info is notoriously unreliable these days with switchers and people appearing what they are not …). I would still draw conclusions from someone outright voting “no-lynching”, however ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Harry had been in a stupor all weekend. His work only required him be at his desk during the week unless there was some emergency and some other poor bugger had to deal with it.
They want to know why nominated this shadow-lurking Pax as a suspect. Well, it's bleeding obvious, isn't it?! He or she is the only person who's yet to open their mouth and say anything.
Harry continued to mull over the logic though.
But like I said before, I'm now wondering if that wasn't the right way to think. That fucking Suffragette doesn't half get on my tits though, constantly yapping about how damn clever she is. She'll set women's rights back a bloody decade if she doesn't show a bit more class about herself. Women voting, I ask you!
Happy that he had his thoughts in some semblance of order, Sgt Bournemouth set off towards the bar to find a whet and to let everyone know his thoughts...
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Monday in Holy Week, and Jesus is throwing the moneychangers out of the temple. Would that we had equal clarity for whom to cast out!
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Pax Romana informs me that Real Life has prevented her from choosing any identity and getting involved, and is likely to continue to be hectic next week.
Since she's not posted in character, I'm going to try to recruit a substitute player to take the role. If that works we'll play on as usual. Otherwise, Pax Romana can either enter the game when life is less vexing, or not, and her character will be one of the many anonymous victims of the War.
In the meantime, the character is still a valid target for nomination, voting and nocturnal activity. If I find a substitute player before voting closes (or PR cares to cast a vote) then she can vote - if not, that character's presence will not count for determining a majority.
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Major Daute, still in a quandary over the vexed question of whether the death of General Zurcon is likely to help or hinder his own promotion prospects, is further bewildered by the plethora of accusations that have appeared on his desk. He reads the list carefully:
Fr. Didier has been accused by Cpl. Marley,
Cnl. Sylvain by Lt. Adler
Amorya by Cnl. Sylvain
2Of. Hodge by Fr. Didier
Pax Romana by Sgt. Bournemouth, and
Lt. Laicatell by Lord Fastolfe.
Which is guilty? Or perhaps they are all innocent?
The trouble is, the Major can see no evidence so solid that he would stake his reputation on the outcome of exonerating any one of the sixteen suspects, nor of convening a Court Martial. Not in these precarious times. No, whatever happens now, the one important thing is that a certain Major Daute should not be seen to have taken any step that is proven wrong.
Let them sort it out amongst themselves, then. The odds have got to be good that when the dust settles and the bodies are carried out, General Zurcon's killer will be amongst the dead, and the few survivors can be exonerated with a clear conscience. Hell, the Major will even decorate them for their sterling work against villainous German agents. But first, let's have some bodies to carry out.
Voting commences and is compulsory. An absolute majority of votes is required to lynch a suspect.
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Battista looked around the bar. There seemed to be a variety of moods: resigned; defiant; aggressive; maudlin; eager and arrogant. He didn't mind, as long as people wanted to drink while they talked.
From experience he knew that even if one voted for no lynching it would be seen as suspicious.
It had puzzled him how eagerly Corporal Marley and Lt. Alice had been to nominate others, and then amazed him how quickly this had escalated to six.
From his own point of view, there was only one option which made any sense, and that was to vote for Pax Romana; because she was the only one who hadn't brought his bar any business at all - so far.
He shrugged and beckoned to Agnes. "Mon cherie, please to take these eggs down to the hotel to Lt.Hearte, and ask him if he knows how to make spaghetti? I like to look after my customers, you know."
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What was that she asked for? Getty-Spah... wasn't that some speech some Yankee gave once? History was Hearte's strong suit, but eggs were just what he needed for toad-in-the-hole... coming up!
Before he could get to battering sausages, he had a little contribution to make to the great democratic project. While he could see the appeal of voting for someone silent, he was more taken with the idea that that many votes is a way for someone to protect someone who had been nominated early inconspicuously. Fr. Didier was a red herring, as he was protecting himself, so Hearte decided to vote for the next nominated: Cln. Sylvain de la Botte (Sylvander).
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We have a replacement player.
Voting is on hold until at least 5pm today, to allow the substitute to read the thread, introduce the new character and (if so advised) make a defence.
Discussions may continue as usual.
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Father took a deep breath, then returned to clearing away some of the rubble in the ruined church he had found. It seemed to be such a shame to let a house of God go unused, just because, like so many others, its roof had a bit of a leak and it happened to be a tad drafty . . .
He assumed that the Germans had not politely asked that the sanctuary be deconsecrated before they shelled it to bits; the altar was still entirely intact, as was much of the eastern wall of the church, even if the windows were long gone. Of course the tabernacle was locked, but that was only a small problem for one used to old and stubborn locks; Fr. Didier soon opened it, to find the Body still in good condition, despite war, strife and neglect. He hastily closed the door, genuflecting deeply. One should not leave a church abandoned; surely, somewhere in this mass of humanity, there must be some proper wheat bread and a bottle or two of wine . . .
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Fr. Didier was a red herring, as he was protecting himself, so Hearte decided to vote for the next nominated: Cln. Sylvain de la Botte (Sylvander).
Who incidentally had also just been protecting himself, if I may remind you. Really just an 'accidental oversight' on your part? Ts, ts, how negligent!
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"Just like the pissing army: nothing but delays and hold-ups."
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Captain Arthur Malmesbury Slackbladder emerged blearily from his trench, squinting from the unaccustomed daylight, rubbed his eyes and headed for the meeting. He knew he was late - very late - but he was still furious at being woken up by the inconsiderate shelling from both sides, which had woken him from a most diverting dream in which he had been a woman. Oh, the things he'd wanted to try! Just another hour or two of sleep, and he could have died happy, which was just as well, as he had a feeling his life expectancy had suddenly somehow even managed to drop below the norm for the trenches.
He strode into the room. "Ah, so good of you to wait for me - and to nominate me for a lynching, as well, how considerate! Naturally, I'm as keen as any of you to get out of here, but I had rather hoped to manage it," he added sarcastically, "with a pulse.
"As it seems that there's been a nasty outbreak of Looney Fever while I was asleep, I suppose I now have to give you reasons not to kill me. Well, as far as I can tell, the only reason anyone's come up with for suspecting me was that I was a bit quiet. It might have escaped your notice, but this is one of the recognised side-effects of sleep, especially at a range of a couple of miles, and it's usually considered a bit odd to expect much of a contribution from someone who isn't there. Should there be any doubt, Major Daute can vouch for my whereabouts, but anything else he tells you is an outrageous lie.
"Now that we've got that out of the way, maybe we can get on with the voting. If we do it quickly, I might be able to get back to my dream."
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Originally posted by Hart:
Fr. Didier was a red herring, as he was protecting himself, so Hearte decided to vote for the next nominated: Cln. Sylvain de la Botte (Sylvander).
Who incidentally had also just been protecting himself, if I may remind you. Really just an 'accidental oversight' on your part? Ts, ts, how negligent!
Oh, shoot (no... not literally... put that gun down!), so you did. Oh well, my way of picking which of you to vote for was flawed (well, really, not flawed so much as cock-up-ed... hey, I'm Army-trained!), but given I want to vote for someone, I'm still more suspicious of those nominated earlier so I'm not too upset with my guess, which I never claimed to be anything more than a guess.
[OOC: Can we assume that Gumby is replacing Pax Romana?]
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[QUOTE] everything icky should be a potential clue. No superfluous
ick, please.
Skimming through the thread I found this. What does icky mean? Same as "yukkie"? Like the constant swearing of Sgt Bournemouth?
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Re Lady Lavinia, the suffragette: Sylvain promised and now will try some kitchen psychology: I wondered about her posts. She is usually self-confident but not so exaggeratedly (is that a word?). Her posts cannot have been meant seriously, they sound tongue-in-cheek. What for? If there is a hidden message there, it is subtle and that means wasted on Colonel Sylvain. Let me speculate:
1. Mafia usually win the online version of this game. To my knowledge so far the only citizens' win came when their numerical odds were low compared to other rounds. All other times Mafia won, and usually hands down.
2. She already did win as Mafia once. It was fun (I was with her) but unspectacular, never any real danger and nail-biting.
3. It might be a question of style. She is a Lady after all. I could see her make an attempt to play an audacious game, a grand mockery (as one sees IRL – some criminals who got away once tend to then mock police). So a possible explanation is: She wants to win in style. The only really great way to win as Mafia is to spread a lot of confusion, i.e. to play with fire and get away with it. This is the flamboyant way mastermind criminals do it (a bit like our nurse Rhoda apparently did it in an earlier game repeatedly linked to in the Camp Sarastro). I think it perfectly feasible that Lady Lavinia would like to win in such style rather than in a routine way (can't blame her).
Is this strong reasoning? Naah! And anyway, like everybody I love stylish criminals with pretty eyes gazing through flowers, so I'll just just watch her a bit more closely.
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So then?
The only time in the previous game I got it right was, when I proposed lynching all-too quiet Papagena - we did and she was innocent. But in the same post I had asked "But why not Seth and Madoc who are just as quiet as she is?" - and, lo!, they were both baddies.
So - the simple, yea primitive, strategy of going after the quiet ones, which several of us, based on past experience, had advocated from the start in that game, was the best. One must just (have the time to) follow it through. We can always go after talkative villains later – the reason quietness is the best hiding is that it is impossible to explain a lot without giving clues. If this perspective makes everyone go all chatty, great! We'll then go after those with squeaky and hoarse voices – they're lying.
“Quiet” here of course always meaning those who post no substantial reflections, explaining their motivations, voting decisions etc. That includes particularly(!) people whose “explanations” consist mainly in (even lengthy) descriptions of the actions and motivations of their character! Like … let me see … Fr Didier. Watch him.
Eliza Bradshaw (Amorya) spoke up after I prompted her and I'll let that pass.
Of those nominated the real quiet one is Alice Adler (Antisoc. Alto) and she is a radio girl, too! Aren't they supposed to be chatterboxes? Yes, she nominated me and voting for her would look like touchy vengefulness (which it is not). Can't be helped now.
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Corporal Lionel Shelby stands sentry on the platform at the Ypres railhead. He is deep in thought, consumed both with a bitter envy for the soldiers embarking on the train to "Pop", and a deep pity for those disembarking, and heading back to the line. All things considered, guard duty here is not such a bad job. Apart from the bladder-clenching moment when a aircraft passes overhead, there is little danger, and little to do but check passes and worry about the occasional orders from brass hats like Major Daute.
The Poperinghe train is building up steam now, the resting infantrymen all aboard save for a few hobbling wounded on their way back to Blighty. The doors begin to slam shut, and Corporal Shelby turns away, shouldering his rifle, and thinking about his next cup of tea.
Suddenly a tall figure in a Private's mud-stained coat sprints down the platform, waving what might be a leave card at the sentry, and Reaching out to seize a door handle as the train begins to chug away. Shelby gasps in alarm - that was one of the faces in the file sent to the station this morning - it's his job to...
"Stop! Captain Slackbladder! Stop at once!".
The figure half turns, but on hearing the name called, looks away and resumes his struggle with the train door. The train is pulling away quickly now, and as the door swings out, the fugitive pivots and thrusts a leg inside the carriage.
Corporal Shelby takes a quick sideways step, right to the platform edge, unslinging his rifle as he moves. As the other man shifts his grip to haul himself inside, the corporal brings the weapon to his shoulder in one smooth movement, sights along the side of the long line of carriages, and squeezes the trigger.
The inquiry subsequently clears Corporal Shelby of any wrongdoing. The private was clearly at fault in ignoring a challenge, even if he could not be expected to answer the name, and Major Daute's orders were strict and clear. Also, the duty officer notes, Private P. Romana does look very, very much like Captain Arthur Malmesbury Slackbladder. With one important difference. Captain Arthur Slackbladder isn't dead.
[The Great Gumby replaces Pax Romana as a player. PR's previously undefined character is disposed of in an unfortunate case of mistaken identity. The last of Major Daute's illegible handwriting is deciphered, and Captain Slackbladder joins the list of suspects. Voting continues...]
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
From his own point of view, there was only one option which made any sense, and that was to vote for Pax Romana; because she was the only one who hadn't brought his bar any business at all - so far.
I'm not sure if this is a vote. I think, on balance, that merely declaring that there is only one option that makes sense does not amount to a decision to take that option, and the comment is therefore one of possible intention and not definite action. I'm therefore not treating it as a vote.
Please cast votes with the relevant suspects name in bold.
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From what Burt could tell, time was running out. Time zones always threw him. Much as he liked the character of the priest, his suspicions were aroused simply by the choice of vocation. It was a "The Butler Did It" mentality, a sixth sense that had kept him alive in this war so far. Hell, he grew up with street smarts from the time he could walk in Chicago.
As for accusations toward those who are quiet, Burt disagrees. Some folks are naturally less verbose, not as quick at thinking, and choose to not spout words unless they know what they are talking about. Nonetheless, one sees the importance of being around and keeping up with the rest of the Jones's.
For now, Burt was keeping his gun with him at all times. He was known for his fighting back home, although he was more controlled these days. He votes against Fr. Didier, but is keeping his eyes open all the time. Sleep is overrated.
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The thing is, this is the thing.
With so many nominations, there is quite a high numerical possibility that at least one of the accused is guilty. More than a third of us have been nominated and it's pretty unlikely (unless the conspirators have been busy little bees making a high proportion of the nominations themselves) that we've been unlucky enough to nominate only the innocent. I'm not quite sure where this fact gets us, though.
I think I'm (hesitantly) in favour of the blind lynch, although I'm not sure it's completely blind. A partially-sighted lynch, possibly. In any case, everyone voting "no lynching" teaches us nothing. At this moment Fr Didier is still ringing up my BSometer. I don't think he's anywhere near as woolly-minded as he claims to be (I have it on good authority that he's really rather bright).
Since there probably is at least one killer among the list, everyone voting for "no lynching" strikes me as a waste. I want to see who gets whose vote, but if and when a killer is caught, it's also going to help the innocent to see who didn't vote for them.
I VOTE FOR FR DIDIER STOP
(By the way, if you find me suspicious, the fanatic is welcome to investigate me. I have nothing to hide.)
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"Well, if we're voting, hurry up with it," Slackbladder snapped. "If I wanted to sit around all day, engaging in pointless, windy debates, I'd have stood for parliament. I have no idea what's going on, but every minute here is a minute that I could be in bed, so let's get down to it.
"Six people have been nominated. That makes a lynching about as likely as that bloody Taff writing a decent poem, but if there's no realistic possibility of a lynching, the conspirators have no need to show their hand and we waste a chance to learn something. Therefore, I suggest we concentrate our votes on a few nominees, in the hope of creating some sort of contest. In that spirit (and in confusion because Col. Sylvain appears to have voted for someone who hasn't been nominated), I vote for Col. Sylvain"
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Originally posted by Sylvander:
Eliza Bradshaw (Amorya) spoke up after I prompted her and I'll let that pass.
Thank ye kindly sir!
So, with a replacement player, we can't read anything from Pax Romana's silence, so I'm not going to vote for Col. Slackbladder this round.
Fr Didier did speak out against having a random lynching, which I do still see as a scum tactic. (Even if we don't get the right person, knowing who voted for whom is helpful information.) He's been active but not that decisive: his nomination was for the reason of trying to get people talking. There seems to be a bit of a rivalry between him and Lavinia Hodge, with suspicion flying between both of them.
Col Sylvain also spoke out against Lavinia Hodge. He considered her motives regarding possibly excessive self-confidence. However, he then went on to vote for Alice Adler, as she is the only real quiet one of the accused. Earlier in the game he did say that, regarding Alice nominating him, the scum don't normally nominate so early on day 1. [Am I missing something? I didn't think Alice Adler was nominated.]
Lavinia Hodge. What can I say? This amount of self confidence is really confusing me — I don't know what to read into it! If Hodge is innocent, it seems to me that it's a hell of a risky tactic, drawing attention to herself like that. She has stated that she is not claiming to be the fanatic. She seems very suspicious of Didier.
Lt Dai Laicattell was nominated last, by Lord Fastolfe, ostensibly to get some discussion going. To be honest, at the moment I can't see much that can either support or deny his innocence.
So, who to vote for? For me it's between Didier, Sylvain and Hodge. As I mentioned, I've no idea how to read Hodge's style at the moment. Normally that would make me very suspicious: it's so overt that it smacks of a multi-level bluff. Are we supposed to think that it looks like scum tactics, but nobody could be that stupid, so she couldn't possibly be scum?
As far as I can tell, Sylvain seems to have voted for someone who wasn't nominated. He seems fairly indecisive, which is fair enough at this stage of the game. Didier seemed only to get into his stride when accusing or defending himself against Hodge. I'm wondering just what's going on there. Is there a history from previous games, does one of them know something, or have they each just picked a target randomly?
I'm inclined to go for Fr Didier today. This is partly because of the suspicions outlined above, and partly because nobody has voted for Hodge yet and I don't want to be responsible for causing no lynching.
If Fr Didier is lynched and shows up innocent, I'm going to be very suspicious of Hodge tomorrow. Normally, voting for (or campaigning against) someone who comes out as innocent isn't necessarily a thing that causes that much suspicion, but Hodge keeps talking up her detective skills: if she's wrong at the first test, there's something amiss with what she's saying.
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My dear young miss Bradshaw! You couldn't be further off from the truth had it been placed in the center of the earth and you just stepped on a mine! (Not a bad idea, think about it!)
I did most emphatically NOT nominate Dai Laicatell to get some discussion going. I nominated him because he is Welsh. There is a major difference - I'm surprised the lad can even talk, and far be I from thinking that he could form rational reasoning! (Which he hasn't, so far.)
However, my dear wife Elspeth wired me today and mentioned that the army needs all its frontline men (of which young Laicatell is a perfect specimen) for some big push that is planned to posthumously honour the deceased general Zurcon!
While I do find it obvious that Laicatell is full of lies (As if any Welshman could ever be a poet!), I am not sure as to his allegiance. We note that he was against a lynching, though.
Ms Hodge attracts my eyes too, although not for her proletarian looks as much as for her ostentatious behaviour. Of course, it could be a personal trait (one she does indeed share with all these vulgar suffragettes), but it does seem out of place, and not only because she belongs to the mentally deranged and degenerated classes. I do not trust that woman in the least bit, and that is why I think she should be checked on her wits. I vote for Fr Didier, but rest assured that I intend to monitor her carefully, and only a particularly fine piece of chocolate (say, an 1897 Chateau de Zihuatanejo) could keep me from that!
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Rhoda hesitantly found her way to Major Daute's door.
"Excuse me sir, do you think you could give times including 'how many hours from now' in addition to the GMT? That way those of us with our watches set to different timezones will have an easier time of meeting your deadlines."
The major inclined his august head, but whether he was assenting, or falling asleep, she wasn't sure.
She retreated to the nurse's station to work on her excel-lent spreadsheet where she was tracking the nominations and votes.
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Battista was alarmed. Someone was trying to make the church back into a church; when, to be perfectly frank, there were more bums on seats more often in the place, now he had turned it into a bar.
He votes for Fr Didier to be permanently removed by the authorities. Business is business.
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I'm hard pressed to find anyone either guilty -- or innocent -- at this stage. Since there are only 10 votes outstanding, and 9 votes are needed for a lynching, it seems that if we are to have a lynching, the prudent course is to vote for (or is that against?) either Father Didier or le Colonel de la Botte Trouéee. And I do think that our only chance is to try for a lynching every time we have a chance, since lynching is the only way we can eliminate the guilty. I'm trying to avoid the mistakes of my dear departed sister Rose and not get too wedded to any one theory to start with. So, acknowledging that we're mostly trusting to chance at this point, I think I'll throw a random pin at my spreadsheet.
(Scrabbling in a desk drawer. "Where are my pins? Is this them? Ouch, that's a hypodermic needle! Ah, here they are." Swissssh-plunk!)
Very well, le Colonel Sylvain de la Botte Trouée it is.
[cross-posted, make that 9 votes outstanding. Except now I've voted, so that's 8 votes outstanding. That's assuming that our confused friend de la Botte Trouée still has a vote coming, to replace his illicit vote for the un-nominated Lieutenant Alice Adler.]
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As I see it the nominations are wild guesses. The innocent allies have no information to go on. Our enemies, however are bound to nominate the innocent. So most of the nominated will be innocent.
However I believe at least one conspirator will have nominated so I distrust those who have made accusations more than the accused. I have also never trusted the tactic of revenge accusations simply because you have been accused; that is the tactic of the enemy.
Only two accusers have also been accused so it makes sense to pick one. To my mind Fr Didier seems more suspicious.
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So there's two charlies up for the noose. Makes sense to pick one of 'em. But who?
Harry had gone out for a walk to clear his head for the decision which needed to be made. Even though he had been loose with the lives of the Germans he had fought two years back, this was different. This deserved thought, consideration, and diligence.
So, the Colonel or the Padre? "Can't say I much like Brass or Reverends" he said to himself. "Fuck it." Harry appeared to have made a decision. He turned on his heel and walked purposefully back to the bar.
Pushing the door open, he announced "I can't fucking choose between either of these pissers here. Neither seem guilty, neither seem to be innocent. So I'm going to vote for Colonel Sylvain de la Botte Trouee because that means that somebody else has to make the final decision. You might think that makes me a bloody coward, and maybe it does. But we need to lynch someone and I think that the superiors amongst us should make the final decision. That's what they get for not rolling around in the fucking mud with the real fighters.
"Now somebody get me some bloody fucking whiskey."
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I said I thought No lynching was the right tactic for this round and I still think so.
Reflections:
In previous lives, people looking much like Sgt Harry Bournemouth have a history of voting for no lynching in the first round. When his proxy was lynched last time, he protested against the aggressive tactics being used, and he was quite right. I think Bournemouth's conversion to more aggressive tactics - not only voting for a lynching, but nominating someone to begin with - is pretty suspicious.
I don't think I agree with the theory that many nominations means that some of the early ones are guilty. We know there's a traitor, who won't know if any of the nominees are conspirators. The traitor should take up a conspirator slot. I think there can't be more than three conspirators, and probably only two. So some of the late nominations must be innocents. (Unless the conspirators are Didier, Bournemouth, and Fastolfe. I'm inclined not to suspect Fastolfe - my hunch is that his nomination of me was exuberance and stirring rather than an attempt to shift blame around. Besides somebody who thinks that there are no Welsh poets is beneath Lt Dai Laicatell's contempt.)
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Agnés wasn't really sure what was going on or what all this voting was about. No-one was really going to kill anyone, were they? She knew there was a war on, but all this talk is so extreme. However, she understood that she was expected to nominate someone for a special chat with the authorities, and as Battista had chosen Fr Didier, decided she'd better as well.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
In previous lives, people looking much like Sgt Harry Bournemouth have a history of voting for no lynching in the first round. When his proxy was lynched last time, he protested against the aggressive tactics being used, and he was quite right. I think Bournemouth's conversion to more aggressive tactics - not only voting for a lynching, but nominating someone to begin with - is pretty suspicious.
"Then I'll remind you what the final result was in that previous incarnation and then perhaps you'll see why I've changed my bloody mind."
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Le colonel was a trifle uneasy when everybody stared at him with marked disapproval. Some shouted: "Lynch him! Lynch him!" As if that wasn't bad enough the others frowned: "He peed in the ballot box and threw his vote in the loo."
He really had spent some time thinking about the post and the vote ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) . He now hoped that folk would attribute the episode to some cunning trick rather than the true reasons ... he hadn't exactly jumped the queue back then when the brains were handed out. Had proved handy for an army career but not here apparently.
As things were down to a race between him and the papist he hastily fished his ballot out of the ditch behind the officers' mess and scribbled Fr Didier on it - mainly out of self-interest (but then he was going to watch him anyway for quietness).
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
So I'm going to vote for Colonel Sylvain de la Botte Trouee
It is "Trouée" for you, sir. Please. We huguenots are pretty liberal on many issues and will recede on many a doctrinal position. But one must draw the line somewhere. The accent aigu is distinctly beyond negotiation.
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"My apologies, Squire"
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To try to make up for his earlier lapse in concentration, Hearte pinned an addendum to the evening's menu (the choice was tripe, or tripe surprise... the surprise being a bluff -- tripe surprise was just tripe). The addendum read as follows:
By my count, we have 8 votes for Fr. Didier and 4 for Cnl Sylvain, with 3 people left to vote. One vote for the reverend father and he swings; all three votes for TESS (this execution should stop) or anyone else, and he's saved. No-one else can be lynched tonight.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
(By the way, if you find me suspicious, the fanatic is welcome to investigate me. I have nothing to hide.)
Oh Really, Miss Hodge? Personally, I think you and Burt are either in cahoots or, more likely, about to be—in fact, I think you're a defection waiting to happen! Who else would benefit from being investigated right off the bat, while they still looked innocent? It's to your advantage to have your name cleared before you even have a chance to defect so that, after you've turned against us, you can point to this whenever suspicion falls on you. You seem both too eager to point out your own ability (and my own, if I hear you aright), as well as trying to whip up our fellows against me.
You honestly expect that, if I am condemned by our fellows, your overprotestations will get you anything but your back against the wall? To quote one of your playwrights, methinks the lady doth protest too much—and is only too eager to construct an extremely flimsy case that she prosecutes with enough intensity to make it look like something. Madame, sincerity is not the same thing as evidence, nor are many words cast against me the same as deduction! If anything, your overenthusiasm to have me killed and desire to be cleared while you still appear innocent incriminate you more than anything I could ever say. By your own words, we shall know you; by your deeds, you have been revealed!
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Lt. Adler was deeply confused. First she had seen the colonel sneaking up behind her waving a noose in a threatening manner. When a young nurse spotted him, he had retreated, stammering apologies in his charming French way; but what was she to think of such behavior?
And now Alice had heard that the English General's staff was seizing murder suspects for "enhanced interrogations". She herself thought Fr. Didier was a very suspicious character. It seemed unlikely that a man of God would commit murder. But he might have decided, in Jesuitical fashion, that it was better to do an act of evil in order to save the lives of the thousands of soldiers who would be killed in the upcoming push. And after all, he was Catholic; who knew what crimes he might commit against good Protestants if his superiors told him to?
[OOC disclaimer: Anti-Catholic sentiments are Lt. Adler's, not AA's.]
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*Sigh* Is there any way I can simply return to my abbey under watch, rather than cause you to waste one of your no doubt precious bullets on me? T'would work out much better for the both of us, I assure you . . .
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
That's assuming that our confused friend de la Botte Trouée still has a vote coming, to replace his illicit vote for the un-nominated Lieutenant Alice Adler.
Correct assumption: votes, once cast, are unchangeable, but it is impossible to vote for someone who was not nominated, so Sylvander's first attempt was not a vote at all.
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A pro forma vote from Corporal Marley (Jay-Emm) is still required, but it cannot affect the outcome. Fr. Didier is lynched, and can post a death-scene now. As soon as I have the last vote (or decide I've waited long enough for it) I'll reveal his role.
Start thinking about your night actions now. It would help if all PMs could be sent to me as replies from the PM initially asigning your role - that way I get one PM thread per player and don't have to delete any game-related messages for reasons of space until we're done. I'll try to reply promptly with an acknowledgement so that you always have a PM to reply to.
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I should make the following calls on night activity interactions before they arise in play:
If the Military Police Expert is killed by a night action, her target's action is still blocked. Therefore if she blocks someone who is trying to kill her, the hit fails and she survives. The Military Police Expert cannot prevent the Expert Sapper's bomb from exploding. She can prevent the bomb from being set, or from being moved (in which case it remains ‘live'). She cannot prevent the Aviation Expert from wounding his killer.
If the Special Brigade Expert is killed by a night action while conducting a gas attack against his killer, he simply dies and the gas attack fails (even if the Nurse delays his death). If he is killed while conducting a gas attack against anyone else, the gas attack still goes off.
As previously stated, if the Expert Sapper is killed setting or moving the bomb, it will not explode. This remains the case if the Nurse delays her death. If the Expert Sapper has a live bomb and is killed in the night, the explosion is the last thing that happens; if she has a live bomb and is lynched, it explodes that night before anything else happens, and the victim's night action is wasted.
If the Fanatic is killed by a night action, he will not live to report the results of any investigation, unless the Nurse saves him, in which case his action succeeds and he can report his findings the next day (he doesn't have to - but it'll be the last chance he gets).
The Nurse must still be alive in the morning for his ministrations to be effective. If the Nurse dies, his patients die as well.
If the Traitor is targetted for killing by a Conspirator whom she is investigating, she is killed. If she is targetted for killing by a Conspirator while investigating a different Conspirator, then she successfully defects and the hit on her will be called off. When the Traitor is killed her role will be revealed as "Traitor" - you won't learn whether she had successfully defected before being killed.
If a Conspirator commiting murder is killed by a night action, the hit still succeeds. The murderer of a gas victim will be gassed, but the murder still happens. The only events that can prevent the Conspirator doing murder are an investigation of the would-be killer by the Military Police Expert or the explosion of a bomb triggered by the previous day's lynching.
I think that's all possible combinations accounted for, but I'll leave it to you lot to come up with some complication I hadn't considered.
(And don't try reading anything into the gender pronouns used: the role descriptions were written with random gender before roles were assigned, and this post simply uses the opposite gender to those descriptions in each case).
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If Father Didier is lynched, who is going to celebrate our Easter communion? Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Can the Huguenots stump up someone to provide us with a memorial morsel?
(Being a good CofEer, I am both Catholic and Protestant.)
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