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Banner Lady
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Correctione: three were swinging voters, as I did not include Captain Slackbladder. My apologies, but this is very strong rum, and I do recommend it, my friends.
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Banner Lady
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So to re-cap:
8 of us voted for both those executed: [Officer Hodge, Nurse Bradshaw, Lord Fastolfe, me, Conte Leo, Miss Agnes, Corporal Marley and, I think, Sylvain]
2 of us voted twice for Sylvain [Nurse Rhoda and Cookie Hearte]
3 of us were swinging voters [Lt. Burt T, Sgt. Harry and Cptn. Slackbladder]
Does that help?
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The Great Gumby
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Does that help?
It's an improvement that you've remembered my existence, certainly. I think it may be useful to list the votes like this, but wouldn't be surprised if the conspirators voted early this time round, for either nominee. They'll know that suspicion always falls on those who cast votes at the sharp end, whatever they do, the chances of a hung vote were slim, and they would probably (my initial tentative suspicion of the Colonel aside) have been happy with either being lynched. The first 6 votes (i.e. before mine) were cast by Lord Fastolfe, Battista Lalonde, Nurse Rhoda, Lt Burt, Col Sylvain and Officer Hodge. Of course, it may be that these were just the first people to get to a computer.
One thing that's been nagging at me is that Dai Lycatell was murdered last night, having been the only person to vote for no lynching. It may be coincidence, or it may be that the conspirators bumped him off for precisely that reason. Imagine that all the nominees on day 1 were innocent (I know we've been here before, but bear with me) - it would make sense, in the absence of any other considerations, to eliminate the one person who wasn't chasing shadows. Or maybe that's what we're meant to think, and we're back onto bluffing parities.
I don't claim that I'm definitely right about any of this, but it's a hypothesis.
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Sylvander
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TGG: You are of course right re all speculation might fall prey to bluffing. But that cannot be avoided unless leaving all speculation aside - and where is the fun in that? The problem is that in such an online game and with no RL knowledge of the people involved bluffes are virtually impossible to detect.
It is easier to delay one's vote than to vote early deliberately (unless one is at the computer 24/7).
In past games hung votes were likelier - because there were far more no-lynching votes (we only had Lt Dai's on day one - the first time that happened and the first lynching in this game on day one was the result) and lynchings require an absolute majority. (Incidentally for future games: this is an argument for no lynching votes - the way things worked out this time Mafia needed not to worry too much about a no-lynching outcome. With only two nominees and IF they presumed we'd mostly vote again like we did on day one (i.e. few or no abstentions) only the unlikely 7-7 outcome would have thwarted their intentions. So the absence of no-lynching votes on day one somewhat facilitated their task! (I never had thought of that before).
But would they work on the presupposition that we'd all continue as before, i.e not vote "no-lynching"? I do not know. But if they did, then indeed the order of voting is not very indicative, so long as they kept one late vote.
But let us assume they were not so certain that the avoidance of no-lynch votes would continue, then they might want to wait a bit with voting and follow the flow. So the first vote (JFH) imho is a little more likely innocent than guilty.
So personally (based on my exclusive knowledge about two innocent nominees this time round) and as explained in my previous effusion I'd regard
1. JFH (first voter)
2. CuppaT (vote leveling the score to 2-2)
3. Hart (Lt Hearte ) (a conspicuous late move towards a hung vote - if not a bluff. And if not simply a move to avoid casting the decisive killer vote - but I never read much into that anyway, someone has to do it and avoiding it would more easily be achieved by delaying than voting for the other candidate)
as slightly less likely conspirators than not.
Hearte was also the first nominator in this round (nominating me - see, we French may be vindictive over Alsace-Lorraine but against those who want to lynch us we bear no grudge ![[Biased]](wink.gif) ). This would be slightly untypical behaviour for Mafia - unless they felt safe since they saw me as a natural target for suspicion in everybody's eyes. Still - for me it hints to innocence rather than guilt.
I may look an ass if later proven wrong but there you are. All this is guesswork based on little obviously.
A last idea:
I think there are only two conspirators.
Why?
a) A traitor is definitely there (rules).
b)If there were three conspiratots plus a potential fourth and with only sixteen players the balance would be far too tilted in the conspirators' favour. (Especially taking into consideration the absence of a doctor and a string of relatively useless extra citizens' roles further weaking the side). So we are chasing two people.
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Banner Lady
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'Mon Dieu, but this war makes strange bedfellows', thought Battista, as he listened to the bar gossip. 'Here is Nurse Rhoda voting twice against le colonel, and now she appears to be in bed with him?' He shrugged philosophically. 'If I were a younger man, then I would probably do the same...'
"More rum and milk, my dear?"
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Some interesting food for thought there, Colonel, and I like the way you're thinking.
[OOC, I'm likely to be AFK until the new year after today, so if the game starts up again before then, I'm not lurking, just otherwise detained.]
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The ghost of Lt Laicatell believes that a game of football is traditional at this time of year.
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Eliab
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[OOC, I'm likely to be AFK until the new year after today, so if the game starts up again before then, I'm not lurking, just otherwise detained.] [/QB]
I have almost all night orders - and since there was more than 24 hours of 'up' time before Christmas, and will be four days of 'down' time, I'm intending to call the next morning at around 8pm (GMT) on Wednesday 29 december no matter what. That is about 71+1/2 hours from now. If I get all main role activity sooner, I'll call it sooner.
Nominations will then be open for 24 hours. If anyone will be AFK then, and are desperate to nominate, I'll accept instructions for me to nominate as your proxy. These instructions can be conditional ("if X does Y then Z") but the responsibility for setting out contingencies clearly is yours - once made, a proxy nomination is as irrevocable as any other, even if I misunderstood you.
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Banner Lady
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It was a wet Spring with a freezing wind which had the promise of snow in it, just in time for Easter Day. Battista didn't mind. It simply drove more people into his bar to drink and find some warmth.
He listened to the gossip and passed around some of the beer and German sausage that had been liberated yesterday from a German Fifth Army supply depot.
There were rumours that Lennin had returned from exile and Trotsky was on the move in Russia. Talk that the Americans might join the war soon. Murmurings that Queen Elisabeth of Belgium had been seen working as a nurse behind the front line not far from here while her husband Albert led the national defences. It was said she was a strong supporter of votes for women. Some of his patrons were wondering what would happen if she got killed - would that be the end of the movement in this part of the world, or would that make her a martyr for the cause and end up doing the suffragettes a favour?
The notorious Red Baron had just clocked up his 34th kill and bets were being laid on whether he'd make it to 40 before the allies blew him out of the sky. Harry, pissed as usual, insisted they double the bet and make it 80. Slackbladder was egging him on. Battista shrugged. It was easy to take money from a drunk, he supposed. Surely the war would end soon, but then who knew what might happen due to the 'supreme intelligence' of those in command?
He listened to the Canadians laughing, imitating General Haig with Bratwurst moustaches and spouting pompous directives like "The way to capture machine guns is with grit and determination, lads!" Everyone here had seen the piles of stinking bodies grow in front of them. No-one wanted to go back to the front line.
Battista tapped another keg, and passed around some more salty sausage. "The Bratwurst is free my friends, but the beer you must pay for!"
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Eliab
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DAY 3 – “Reflections on Being Lost in Ypres at 3am”
Otto Luterberg squeezes the butt of his rifle tightly to his chest and tries hard not to cry. Twenty minutes ago, his section left the safety of the dugout on a routine night patrol of no-man’s land. Ten minutes ago, a nervous German sentry had put up a flare, and an astute British gunner had sent one of the deadly mortar bombs of the sort they called ‘flying pigs’ at the only movement he could see. The patrol had scattered, diving into shell-holes and ditches, and only Otto had been close to the explosion. His ears are still ringing, as he stumbles on, not knowing where the rest of his comrades are, or even the direction of his own front line. He must be brave. He is a soldier, a soldier of Germany, and he cannot give in to the childish impulse to throw himself down in the mud and weep with fear.
Suddenly, there are others – a short-line of men, half crouched, picking their way through the mud, barely visible in the starlight, just ahead of him. The patrol! Otto gasps in surprise and relief, and starts forward, as the leading man slips on the lip of a crater and curses “Goddamned fucking mud!”
British! Luterberg raises his rifle by instinct, but his hand slips on the trigger and the weapons slams hard into his ribs as it fires before he can aim. The shot misses the leading enemy, but the man behind groans loudly and falls, clutching his stomach.
The muzzle flash shocks the British soldiers and they scatter in alarm, as Otto turns and runs, blind and directionless, splashing and sliding along the sides of shell holes, until at last he staggers and falls, and he lies exhausted, lost and sobbing, with barely enough presence of mind to bite his lip so that neither friend nor foe will hear his disgrace.
A little over twelve yards away, Sgt John McGirk stars up at the stars and tries to keep himself upright against the side of the crater and keep his head clear through the pain. If he can stay conscious, help might come in the morning. It is a hopeless task. His feet slip on the mud, and as he loses the feeling in his legs he can no longer prevent the inexorable slide down into the cold, foul water that pools around the crater’s base.
An hour or so later, the stars are obscured by cloud and the rain begins to fall. It is not a particularly heavy downpour, the water level pooling in the shell holes does not rise more than three or four inches at most. But it is enough to ensure that when a drenched and frozen Otto Luterberg crawls back to his own lines the next morning, he is retired from the front with severe pneumonia. And it is enough to ensure that Sgt McGirk’s body is never found.
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Eliab
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One body that is found in the morning is that of Lord Jarvis Fastolfe of Harrisford. He has been murdered.
It quickly becomes apparent that Lord Jarvis was quite innocent of General Zurcon's murder, and any suspicion that attached to him was probably due to his idiosyncratic ways and intemperate opinions: he will be remembered as something of a Fanatic.
Prosecution phase begins. Nominations will be open for at least 24 hours from now.
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Banner Lady
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Lord Fastolfe murdured? How?
Battista thinks back to the large tip the late Lord left, last time he was in the bar, and deeply regrets his death. He had known Fastolf was a fanatic about chocolat, now it seems he was more of a fanatic than anyone had guessed. Well, not quite anyone - someone had guessed very accurately indeed, which is why the Lord was now dead. He sighed.
"Hot chocolate this morning for everyone, Agnes. Please see to the milking immediately, will you?"
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Lord Jarvis Fastolfe of Harrisford woke up in the middle of one of the darkest nights of the year. The craving for chocolate was stronger than usual. He went through his drawers but found none; probably last evening had been wilder than he could remember. He looked under the bed, but found only crumbs of a size all too minute to quench the need, only making it stronger. In a desperate attempt to salvage his taste-buds, he went out to see if any local merchants were around. None so. However, he did feel the unmistakable smell of Le Bronze d'Anjou - the chocolate made famous by Raleigh! Who would have such a treasure in this country? Must be a man with a lot of connections. Probably worth while getting to know him. The investigations quickly performed by Fastolfe's nasal research unit pointed eastwards, and with an almost inexplicable feeling of importance he started running in this direction. Nothing must stop him now. Something sharp touched his robe and nearly ripped it off him, but with the unmistakable grace of an inheritor of the highest ranks of British feudalism he jumped over the barbed wire. Surely the reward for his attempts was soon to be enjoyed! He could sense that the chocolate was somewhere within sight, when he suddenly slipped on a German helmet that some rude fellow had left behind. Midway through fall Lord Jarvis Fastolfe of Harrisford thought it would be most unfortunate if he should happen to tread on one of those wretched mines that might be found in these areas, but one full second later he gave up the thought of that. His mind was scattered over too many fields and subjects.
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Originally posted by JFH:
However, I am most suspicious of Lavinia Hodge, whose silence is speaking another language. However, I just realized that just as I say this, Major Daute, the self-ordained voice of God, has run off with the list of accused people, and thus my suspicions will have to wait for another day or so, which might be just as well, since I have no proof apart from her odd appearance, running on and off in talking, and going on and on about her importance.
I believe she is a traitor, but I am not sure - I want to hear more from her, though.
It's the best lead we've got right now, I think. I nominate Hodge.
[OOC: I'm on the road all day tomorrow, so my silence will be a sign of nothing but my inability to post and drive simultaneously.]
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Banner Lady
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Originally posted by JFH:
Intoxicated by the sweet, sweet chocolaty blessings of Belgium, for a brief moment Lord Fastolfe decides to speak in the manner and lingo of these local thugs and theorists (the theologist is dead), expressed in a short snippet of words, supposedly filled with some truth.
It seems Lavinia Hodge does not want to see Lt Adler lynched, or maybe she just wants to see Le Colonel in a noose. I'm sure that counts for something.
And I concur!
[ 29. December 2010, 03:40: Message edited by: Banner Lady ]
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It looks like Lord Jarvis spent the first might investigating Colonel de la Botte Trouée, and let us know that he -- le Colonel -- is innocent. (Unless de la Botte Trouée is the traitor.)
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'tweren't me.
I can't have been investigated by Lord Jarvis, because if I had been he would have found out that I'm innocent. So he suspected me from reasoning, not investigation. (He was wrong.)
(Also, for what it's worth, I also said I thought it wasn't the Colonel. And that there was a fair chance that Alice didn't do it either. Which was true.)
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Sylvander
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Pity! We are short a detective now. And he was not protected, it seems. What the heck was the nurse doing?
Hibernating after the big Christmas dinner is my guess. So I blame it on the goose.
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Just checking in, although I'm a bit at a loss. (No change there, then!)
I did find it interesting that our fanatic was suspicious of Hodge for being a traitor rather than a conspirator. That's not something the fanatic can use their power to ascertain, as far as I know. Not that I think it removes the suspicion on Hodge (I thought she was suspicious from day 1), but it's something to consider.
Anyone any other leads, while we're still in nominations?
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Banner Lady
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quote:
Originally posted by Sylvander:
Pity! We are short a detective now. And he was not protected, it seems. What the heck was the nurse doing?
Hibernating after the big Christmas dinner is my guess. So I blame it on the goose.
Maybe she was *ahem, Colonel*
otherwise occupied.... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
So we have 12 of us left; at least two conspirators I would think, with the possibility that the traitor may now have investigated a conspirator and therefore become one of them as well.
Of the remaining nine we have five who may have special roles: the nurse, the aviation expert, the sapper, the special brigader and the MP. We know that night actions have been taken by the conspirators, but we have no evidence of any other night actions having been effective as yet.
Of the eight mentioned who voted for both Fr Didier and Alice Adler to be sent to the firing squad, one, (Lord JFH) is now dead and one nominated (Miss Hodge). I would like to hear from Corporal Marley especially as to why he should not be nominated; but also from Operator Bradshaw, Agnes and Conte Leo.
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Amorya
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Me? I'm just an ordinary girl who's somewhat out of her depth amidst this sea of corruption and conspiracy. I've no information to work with beyond what you see here, so I've been voting in a way that I hope is logical and transparent, but sadly seems to have been misguided so far.
On day 1, at the time of my vote it was between Didier and Sylvain. (I could have voted for someone else, but without hard evidence then that'd look a bit suspicious, as if I was trying to force no execution.) Didier had been fairly elusive in his postings (a lot of background story but not much about his actual suspicions, save for of Hodge) whereas Sylvain had seemed more transparent in his deductions to me.
On day 2 it was between Lt Adler and Sylvain. I voted for the former because she hadn't posted much, and thus hadn't swayed me that she wasn't a conspirator, compared with Sylvain who I still had a gut feeling was innocent. Not the best logic, but nobody was standing up offering any more concrete evidence than that.
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Well fuck me if this time we don't have something more solid to go on thought Harry when he heard the news. "The investigator's suspicion is good enough for me, at this miserable juncture" he said, "but if any fucker can make a good argument against anyone else then I'll at least listen."
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quote:
Originally posted by Amorya:
I did find it interesting that our fanatic was suspicious of Hodge for being a traitor rather than a conspirator. That's not something the fanatic can use their power to ascertain, as far as I know.
The suspicion that Officer Hodge is the traitor came from the fact that she encouraged the Fanatic to investigate her, thus raising the possibility that she was encouraging an early investigation so she'd appear innocent before she defected.
Monsieur Lalonde, why do you want to hear from Corporal Marley in particular?
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Banner Lady
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Simply because he was the first to nominate Fr Didier and the last to vote; also because he has remained fairly quiet.
It is the quiet ones we have to watch, non?
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Simply because he was the first to nominate Fr Didier and the last to vote; also because he has remained fairly quiet.
It is the quiet ones we have to watch, non?
Reasonable enough. Unfortunately it's all Real life stuff (including a tendency to lurk, especially when not at home atm)
It's (I think) pretty obvious that my nomination of Fr Didier* was done without any evidence, I justified it (the principle of a random accusation) at the time.
As for being last, normal online hours 6 to 8ish GMT so just prior to vote, made intentions clear [to be consistent and hope for no lynching], but felt I'd other used promptness, and then in the morning (a special session as I was to be away for the next evening) the vote was called off and so I was last [at which point it was irelevent].
For WW1 yesterday's vote I was going to vote for Sylvador on the no smoke without fire principle, and then at the last minute changed my mind on the basis of the absence of any obvious fanatic like comments (which had he been guilty and investigated seemed likely) [again timing was rather bad].
At the moment suspicious of Lt Hodge. Partly as in the last game I played, Eliab(mafia) and her(innocent) both played the expert player card (and defended each other on the basis they'd have done each other in), so I don't think that tells anything. The one thing that puzzles me is that she doesn't seem to be appearing as an attentive competent player very well which might be more likely to be indicative of boredom than a mafia RP.
*I've still not seen Lt Hodge un-claim guilt for that, despite a hint to do so**.
**Although there was an earlier request for me (in day 1) to justify something which I completely missed so....
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Sylvander
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quote:
Originally posted by Banner Lady:
quote:
Originally posted by Sylvander:
What the heck was the nurse doing?
Maybe she was *ahem, Colonel*
otherwise occupied....
Madam, do not blame me! Le colonel may have a strong liking for foreign birds but would never distract a nurse from doing her duty. Like tucking in the duvet around him.
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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
It is the quiet ones we have to watch, non?
I agree but do not take it as a law of the Persians and Medians. Bumping off talkers we may gain more information by having more to analyse after their death.
I re-read JFH’s posts but found no further hints. If I am correct he had only one night to investigate (which he used for me) and hence his suspicion against Lavinia Hodge is no more substantial than ours. (I still am inclined to share it).
quote:
Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
at the last minute changed my mind on the basis of the absence of any obvious fanatic like comments (which had he been guilty and investigated seemed likely)
This strikes me as odd. I found this post as crystal-clear as the mud in No-Man's-Land. In case anyone missed it - I am sure Mafia never would anyway - I then had specifically pointed towards that post. I find it hard to believe you missed both these hints.
Anybody (not you Jay-Emm ) wishes to think up a sensible reason why a conspirator might want to pretend he had not noticed? Guilty conscience perhaps? Pretending to be a bit thick? I venture to conject that
a) nobody but me had publicly acknowledged they had noticed JFH’s hint
b) the conspirators obviously had picked it up
So
c) pretending one never noticed (like JFH) would not draw public attention to the fact that one had noticed what Mafia had.
On the other hand: It was apparently possible to miss it in good faith – after all the nurse did.
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Generally: I take it that we all share almost the same knowledge now: we had two innocent nominees last round. This is a rare and precious piece of
certified information in this game. I penned down at usual length my feeble conclusions from that above. Anybody else care to contribute more conclusions?
Of course I am aware that you all – this incl. Mafia unless the defection already happened - have a slight uncertainty which I do not share, i.e. as far as you all know I could still be the defector (a 1 in 11 chance for each of you who knows his own innocence – if you are Mafia you have no reason to target the defector). The chance to hit a Mafioso is 1 in 5,5 (assuming two Mafiosi). So even if anybody were still suspicious of me - you'd be mathematically far better off killing others.
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
I would like to hear from Corporal Marley especially as to why he should not be nominated; but also from Operator Bradshaw, Agnes and Conte Leo.
Seconded and thirded and fourthed by me, myself and I.
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Sylvander
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PS: It was Lt Hearte who had to the fanatic to investigate me.
Was this the honest citizen's curiosity? Or a conspirator's attempt to kill two birds with a stone:
a) make sure the fanatic did not investigate a Mafioso
and
b) make the fanatic come out into the open?
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Banner Lady
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I guess the way to find out is to vote Miss Hodge out of the game. If she is found to be as innocent as she claims, then it does not look good for Cookie Hearte.
We are still waiting to hear from Conte Leo and Miss Agnes.
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
We are still waiting to hear from...
I'm reluctant to close nominations while there is clearly thought and analysis going on (since that's at the heart of the game), but on the other hand, if you, the players, don't want to make a second nomination, I'm not going to force you.
I'm therefore planning on holding nominations open briefly, but not indefinitely, closing them some time tomorrow afternoon (c.16 hours from now). Anyone who wants more time is welcome to PM me asking for an extension.
Also, I think I've now used up the stock of named NPCs (save for Maj. Daute) - if you want to write any flavour text, you are encouraged to introduce a few more. I could do it myself, but it's so much more satisfying killing other people's characters.
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Well I'm not stupid enough to let myself be the only nominee.
Trouble is, I'm really very short on decent leads about who could actually be responsible for the crime... although I note that Harry has been employing a lot of gratuitous profanity and not much actual reasoning.
(Oh and if I've been a bit absent lately, it's because I've had some leave and been to my parents' house where access to the telegraph machine isn't easy to get.)
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Prosecution phase ends.
Defence phase begins, and will last a minimum of 24 hours from now (unless both defendants are happy to end it sooner).
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"Well fuck me if that's a good reason to nominate someone at this stage. I mean, we have on the one hand a bloody sizable hint from someone that we now know as the ability to find these things out. On the other bloody hand, we've got someone wildly trying to distract attention on the fact of my potty fucking mouth. Trust me, darling, if you'd seen the shit that I've witnessed, a few damn cusswords would be the least of your fucking problems."
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Le colonel had grown more determined over this Christmas - at least this time there had been no fraternisations between their so-called allies and the Austro-German scum on the other side like earlier in the war. He was glad that there were no such worries for his own troops. No proper Frenchman would stoop so low!
He drifted into memories of his ancestors' fights with old Nappy against the Prussians and Russians, the Austrians and Australians ... hold on, wrong film, wishful thinking...
The remembering made him determined that this time they'd really hammer the perfidious boches and afterwards they'd get hold of Alsace, Lorraine, the Sarre region, the entire left bank of the Rhine, everything his ancestors had been fighting for for eight centuries.
Westward, westward! But this time unlike last, once this mess was over they'd make sure to keep what they got and would not let those Alsatians carry on speaking German like last time only to see them happily join the enemy as soon as they got a chance. Why, he had heard they actually had an Alsatian regiment standing opposite them right here in Flanders!
In a sudden surge of patriotism he jumped up, ready to run towards the front and give them a bloody good thrashing all by himself, those traitors!
HOLD ON A SECOND!
He sat down again and thought.
The front was far. Running there he would break a sweat.
And he had heard it was dangerous there.
No, he decided the boches could wait.
These lynchings were more fun - especially as compared to the trenches they carried no risk. Except for the one at the wrong end of the rope obviously.
He still missed the likeable Welshman and his funny poems.
He wouldn't miss the swearing Lieutenant one second.
Everybody knew he had felt suspicious of Lavinia all along – but always in the “guessing”-mode. In the Sarastro-War he once had come close, suspecting two baddies in one post. And the very same moment he had gone wrong when he did not follow his own advice of go-after-the-quiet-ones.
This time the four very quiet ones, Corporal Marley, Operator Bradshaw, Agnes and Conte Leo (holidays?) hadn’t been nominated.
So he re-read Lt Hearte’s posts. Almost all just talk IC – no substance. And a lot of either not-paying attention or being stupid. Like mentioning a “sizeable hint from someone who can find these things out”?? What sizeable hint? As I only just wrote, the deceased fanatic had only one night to investigate (me) – hence there are no more sizeable hints from him.
Why does Lt Hearte talk so weirdly then? Maybe he is neither not paying attention, nor stupid but intentionally mudding the waters?
No, I’ll hold my vote a wee while longer.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sylvander:
So he re-read Lt Hearte’s posts. Almost all just talk IC – no substance. And a lot of either not-paying attention or being stupid. Like mentioning a “sizeable hint from someone who can find these things out”?? What sizeable hint? As I only just wrote, the deceased fanatic had only one night to investigate (me) – hence there are no more sizeable hints from him.
Why does Lt Hearte talk so weirdly then? Maybe he is neither not paying attention, nor stupid but intentionally mudding the waters?
No, I’ll hold my vote a wee while longer.
Are you talking about me or Harry? It sounds like you're getting the two of us confused. While many of my posts have "IC drivel," all except my IC opener have substance as well. This part sounds much more like a description of Harry than me. Similarly, the "sizable hint" quote is a quote from Harry, not me.
On the other hand, it's true that I've made a couple of slip-ups reading my own notes (12/14, not noticing that Sylvan was protecting himself with his nomination; 12/18, again misreading my notes on the first round of nominations) and I've been the victim of a cross-post. Mistakes during a busy time of year. I'm sorry for them, but I hope they won't get my hung. Any regards, I'm not up this time. In my defense: not many other people are posting data summaries. I may have made a few mistakes, but at least I'm trying.
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[cross-posted with our good Cookie. Tripe Flakes for breakfast, now that was inspired.]
Excuse me, Colonel, the relief of being declared innocent has gone to your head. It's Sergeant Bournemouth, not Lieutenant Hearte you're expostulating against.
I agree that the "sizable hint" from poor departed Lord Jarvis was not based on being "in a position to know" about Officer Hodge. But it was based on what seems to me to be good logic.
On the other hand, I hear what you're saying about the suspiciousness of Sergeant Bournemouth.
I am quite concerned about you, though. Surely we should always keep the Nativity of Our Dear Lord and Saviour in mind, but it's not Christmas; it's Wednesday in Holy Week. Perhaps if I washed your feet with nard and dried them with my hair that would calm you?
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Battista smiled. The weather was even bleaker than yesterday, so the bar was full early on. The mood of several groups of Australian tunnellers and a crew of Canadian railway workers was bouyant - the bitter wind didn't seem to bother them much. Everyone was talking about the German retreat, and that in a day or two it could all be over, when the allies finally hammered through the Hindenburg Line.
It was all good for business, and Battista was doing a roaring trade in all manner of bottles, cases and casks. He was particularly pleased that two members of the Black Watch, who had secured a good supply of their favourite whiskey through their RAF contacts at Inverness were keen to barter. Alcohol might be well rationed in Britain, but there was no shortage of it in Ypres.
Occasionally, above the din, the raucous sound of a Strombus horn could be heard from far away, and he would send someone up the stairs to check that the door was padded round against the invasion of any stray gas canisters.
But after a while, the air would be so thick that the need for ventilation would override all caution, and the door to Batty's Bar would be thrown open again. He did notice that Sgt Harry Bournemouth would flinch noticeably every time the alarum sounded, but then, Harry knew first hand what it was like to have a permanent headache from chlorine gas. No wonder he was always so bad tempered.
"Drink up, my friends," smiled Battista. "Eat and be merry, for tomorrow it will all be over - at least for some of us."
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Nurse Rhoda's head was aching after going through the infirmary and wiping all the patients' feet with her hair. She wasn't so sure about this enactment of the events of Holy Week, but she thought maybe Father Didier would have approved.
She returned to her cubbyhole and typed out the following on her iTypewriter:
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Here is how the votes fell out in our last round. I'm not sure what it tells us. Perhaps someone else could offer some conjectures?
While the outcome was still in doubt:
for Alice Adler: Lord Jarvis, Battista Lalonde, Colonel de la Botte Trouée, Officer Hodge, Captain Slackbladder, Sergeant Bournemouth
for Colonel de la Botte Trouée: Nurse Autenrieth, Lieutenant Burt
Cast the deciding vote for Lt Adler:
Nurse Bradshaw
Thought it was still possible to lynch the Colonel, but cross-posted and the Colonel was already safe despite Hearte voting for him:
Lieutenant Hearte
Voted for Lt Adler after the outcome was already determined:
Captain Marley, Mademoiselle Machant, Conte di Leonato
Lieutenant Adler didn't vote.
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Rhoda pushed aside her iTypewriter and headed down to Batty's. A nice whiskey and milk would be just the thing, at least in the absence of a proper English tea.
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Awww! C'me awwwn! No hair splitting, please! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Hart or Harry. "Westward! Westward!" or "Eastward! Eastward!". Christmas or Holy Week - what's in it? Is a man can no longer allowed to make little mistakes? We need to concentrate on the bigger picture, not get lost in petty detail like whom to lynch or whether we need to go East or West in order to conquer Germany!
Hmm. No. Not quite...
Ok, folks. I'm sorry. Less haste, more speed. I was not paying real attention and after we watched "Bienvenue chez les Scht'is" with an old Burgundy last night I found myself in a somewhat exuberant Francophile mode when posting ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
Thanks for your patient and kind reminders - but then you knew what to expect when you let me join in. At least I haven't proposed to the nurse(s) so far.
Come to think of it ... maybe I should concentrate on that and let the others do the thinking.
Better.
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Major Daute casts a wearied eye over the morning's accusations:
Second Officer Lavinia Hodge, accused by Lt. Hearte; and
Sgt. Harry Bournemouth, accused by Officer Hodge.
He considers the possibility that both accusations are wrong and, if so, whether either nominee is so important as to be worth taking action to save. Almost instantly, he breaks out in a cold sweat at the thought - Good God, no! To risk shielding a German agent could jeopardise his entire career. No, the suspects would just have to sort it out between themselves.
Voting commences. There are twelve of you left, so seven votes are required to convict.
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"I do suspect that the Frenchman has been in his cups" chortled Harry as he listened to the debate flow onwards, "and it seems that he can't bloody handle his liquor, neither! But seriously, the accusation against me is completely bloody spurious. Consider the following evidence: My voting record isn't suspicious, I've been pretty consistent in my way of approaching the game (which is to say that I try to keep my big fucking mouth shut unless I'm fairly sure of what I'm saying. I think this is an approach that some of you other fuckers could learn from, on occasion!) This is so as to not muddy the waters any more than they already are. There's nothing about any of that which should mark me out for suspicion, actually quite the opposite because I've not lead anyone up the garden path.
"But, most importantly, even the person who accused me acknowledged that there's not good reason for it: It was a blind stab in the dark born out of desperation rather than any fucking certainty.
"On the other hand, everyone that Hodge has fingered has come back innocent. She's clearly not a fanatic because she'd've had more of a fucking clue what she was doing if she bloody was. So there's no harm in lynching her on the reasonable chance that she is a conspirator because the worst that happens is that we lose a normal innocent.
"And lastly, I have skills. I'm a deadly fucking machine when I want to be, and trust me, you want me on your fucking side."
So, long story fucking short, I vote for Lavinia Hodge."
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I find her bombast suspicious, so I vote to lynch Second Officer Lavinia Hodge. Heaven knows what we'll do for telegraphs though.
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Oops. With Major Daute's reminder that there are twelve of us left, I've gone back and checked my analysis of the Adler vote. I think it was actually Corporal Marley, not Nurse Bradshaw, who cast the deciding vote. And Colonel de la Botte Trouée was still lynchable when Lieutenant Hearte voted.
More whisky and milk, please, Monsieur Lalonde.
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
More whisky and milk, please, Monsieur Lalonde.
"And me, but with no bloody milk."
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A sudden sense of airborne aristocracy strikes the room as Battista hears a whisper coming out of thin air, "Pour me a Choco Scotch, won't you, Battista?"
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Jacob Marley votes for Lt Hodge.
He also couldn't help feeling that the Major's comment may be interesting in hindsight. Unfortunately innocence and guilty tend to react the same when the headlights of justice focus of them, and the tangled web of mess.
Odd to be mildly glad that I was responsible for lynching an innocent last time, but making 2 safe votes would have been embarrassing (and more importantly wasted a debate).
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Well, my success rate hasn't been very good so far, so touch wood it improves. I'm following my suspicions and voting Lt Hodge.
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
"And lastly, I have skills. I'm a deadly fucking machine when I want to be, and trust me, you want me on your fucking side."
Don't forget that's the sort of rhetoric that lead a few people to be suspicious of Hodge in the first place
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Battista sighed. Yes, it was entirely possible that two innocents have been nominated again. So should he vote for no lynching?
As his new gold Omega wristwatch ticked steadily on towards Maundy Thursday, he found himself pouring a choco scotch and wondering what Harry or Miss Hodge would do in his place.
He shrugged at no-one in particular. "But of course they would vote for someone. Therefore I will go with my first suspicion, that some of these leetle girls are definitely NOT the innocent leetle girls they appear to be. I will tell Major Daute I am voting for
Lavinia Hodge "
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