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An die Freude
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Obviously the logics behind why Reverse Minuto should be sent for the long walk (down the plank) is based on a mistake. The Red Cat Goddess tells a tale that seems almost too elaborate to fake. We need to crack some eggs to make this omelet, though, and thus for today's lynch I'm going to go for Reverse Minuto.
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Formerly JFH
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Ariston
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"Dear fellow travelers: I politely ask those of you who are procrastinating to please vote. You have 24 hours remaining; voting will close at midnight EST tomorrow.
Additionally, The Power That Is has informed me, according to his mysterious ways (I Ching hexagrams and lemon verbena/mint tea are involved, which is all I can reveal), that there may be a subtle change to the membership of our Legaly UNsanctioned Committee for Heinous Murders Of Badnicks (LUNCHMOB);* all actions of our little Committee, however, should be unaffected."
*OoC: you try coming up with something beginning with "y" that would fit there--and anyway, "y" and "u" are mostly equivalent to Hellene ears, even if, to a Lusitanian like Mycroft or the late Tribune Eliabus, this would just be cringe-worthy or confusing. Cut me some slack, okay!
--TPTI
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Reverse Minuto walked slowly backwards out of his cabin, which appeared to be full of smoke and empty bottles. He cursed the 'cider' that had caused him to lose three days in an imaginary land called 'Somerset', though on the plus side he now understood at last the meaning of the songs of the Wurzels, a galactically-famous band of 'singers' widely believed to have been the results of a badly-planned genetic experiment.
Whatever his current woes and headaches, he realised that enough time had passed that the baying mob was again voting for lynching. He just wished that the baying would be a little quieter, given the state of his head. In his absence, someone had nominated Red Cat Goddess, who had responded with the second-strangest defence he had ever heard, and one utterly incapable of being proved correct. The strangest defence, of course, had been that entered on his own behalf by the Demosthenes 0.9, who he was sorry to see lived up to its illustrious namesake - in that Demosthenes had managed to argue Athens into a disastrous and ultimately suididal war.
The push so far seemed to be for 'no lynching', but Minuto had argued in the first round that there needed to someone chosen by the passengers to die rather than leave it up to the MAFIA to make all the decisions. He saw no reason to change his mind now, even if it did seem too late to see his nominee swing.
He staggered into the lounge and ordered three intravenous espressos. Minuto then turned his bleary eyes on the passengers and said out loud, "If that bl**dy cat is going to nominate me, then the least I can do is put her fur on the firing line. I vote for Red Cat Goddess to be lynched. Now get me another coffee, quickly!"
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Surfing Madness
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Zoink was swithering. Risk getting the wrong person or risk letting the mafia carry on? Zoink knew he needed to decide soon and get back to the boxes which would surely be stacking up in the bowels of the ship. He decided that letting the mafia pick them off one by one was worse, and that doing nothing wasn't really the way to go, anyone who had even a vague insight in to the wuzzels was at least worth keeping around for a little while. He was also not convinced in the long ramble that Red cat had produced so decided to vote for Red Cat
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Imaginary Friend
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Grstamjuarlt had been very, very sick. This was an odd thing for a lifeform such as itself, but nevertheless it did happen sometimes. It had been unable to leave its cabin for the whole day, partly out of fear of infecting the other passengers and crew, and partly because when one's already light grasp on corporeal existence is threatened by a pan-galactic supervirus one doesn't feel much like doing anything.
It had not read any of the arguments for or against those nominated, but had dimly discerned that Reverso and the cat were up for the vote. Grstamjuarlt was still not one for prevaricating with no lynching votes, and as it seemed that Reverso had gathered the most votes already, the now-recovered lifeform was happy to make it known that this was who he would like to see swinging.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sylvander:
1. The Cat's claim "I have been investigated and found innocent" is equal to the statement "I am innocent". Everybody will say that and - we cannot verify.
No, it's not the same. Saying "I have been investigated and found innocent" can be falsified by the investigator. The investigator may not reveal her role by announcing this publicly, but she can be counted on to nominate the liar for lynching.
This is less foolproof if there's more than one investigator, but would the Red Cat Goddess have been willing to assume that and spin this elaborate story? I don't think so.
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Final Tally:
Needed for conviction: VIII
The Red Cat Goddess: III
Reverse Minuto: IV
No Lynching: VI
Non-voting: II
Dead: I
Mycroft hoped that the switch from tally marks to numbers might cause less confusion. His research on ancient pre-Pegasonian counting systems was not looking promising, however—a base 7.5 counting system just does not translate well, especially for beings without half-fingers.
"Once again, you have decided not to lynch one of your fellow travelers. I sincerely hope your restraint is the result of prudence, rather than cowardice, deception, or timidity. May we all gather here tomorrow morning, as alive and well as we are at the present time. Goodnight."
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Night comes to the Ariston. Those of you who act during the night . . . it may be a good idea to do so now.
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The proceedings over, Mycroft took a long walk across the ship to the infirmary. News had reached him about his friend; even if she was supposedly stable, it was unlikely that the medical staff was well-equipped to deal with the peculiarities of Xhosimina's injuries. He had spent the day scouring the ship's library for any information he could find that might be of help, and, on the advice of one of her colleagues, had finally settled on a course of action.
"Breselarion—I'll be meeting you in Xhosimina's ward."
Though the words were spoken to empty air, the steward had no doubt he would find the angel waiting for him.
He hurried past the reception desk, ignoring requests to sign in. The ship's medical staff gave way before him; everybody knew why he had come, if not what he was planning. The lights were dark in the ward when he arrived, the air thick and completely still. Xhosimina was holding only tenuously to form; there was some worry that a strong draft could undo her forever. Mycroft leaned back into a nearby chair, feeling his relay mesh with the ship's network, the presence of Breselarion merging first with his electronic implants, then his own nerves. Somebody was going to have to steady the steward's hands during this operation, keep his mind clear, allow him to focus; a rational being's nervous system was certainly an unusual network to manage, but these were unusual circumstances.
«we remember her to herself
how she was
how she will be
soon
the union
the transcendental synthesis
conceptualization
one»
Mycroft reached forward into the tenuous condensation of Xhosimina. The angel inside of him was focusing his mind perfectly, revealing every memory he had ever had of her, feeding him images and data from elsewhere on the ship, even half-faded phantasms from the minds of others. Where once Xhosimina used her own intellectual powers to communicate consciousness and form to the chosen matter, the steward was relying on whatever knowledge he had of her to effect the same process. As the cognitions flowed forth, uniting intuitions and recollections, the body of the angel grew more and more substantial, changing from a dense fog through translucence to something vaguely solid—the limbs and body of an extremely tall woman.
«no
not exactly as we remember her
as she would be as human
not as we are
not as she appeared»
The dark marks on her body faded away, as did the subtle glints around her face; Breselarion was right to point out that there was a danger in informing the angel as united with her trademark piercings and gown. Probably best to leave her without her tattoos as well—and giving her almost unnaturally light hair might be best, considering her penchant for odd colors. It was going to be hard for Xhosimina to adjust to having a fixed form. Mycroft certainly hoped he did the best he could for her.
«done now
her mind
returns
the matter now determines form»
The steward felt the angel leave his mind as a sudden surge of exhaustion; every sensation that had been blocked that would have detracted from the operation was now rushing back to him.
"Mycroft?"
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Minuto was more than a little concerned that he had barely got up before it was night again - and with all that coffee in his system he wasn't going to sleep any time soon. He began to explore the bars, cafes and speakeasies of the lower decks, taking care to avoid the gravity-free swimming pool (never having liked swimming, he couldn't imagine that it was a nicer experience without water) and the strange men selling small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. Whether these were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri or cunningly-disguised Tribbles was hard to tell. Minuto shivered and moved on, memories of a nasty bite from a Jovian hamster fresh in his mind (basically, Jupiter is just one giant hanster wheel - why else would the surface swirl like that?)
Minuto reflected on his brush with death. Was the Red Cat Goddess simply bad at counting or was she up to something more sinister? What was this 'role-blocking' business and could anyone prove to have been such a person? What was the role of the silent passengers, who didn't even turn up to vote for a lynching? Did he have enough question marks to keep going?
Minuto had heard tell of computers with huge memories and the ability to solve such problems. A shifty man called Avon had told him of a computer called Orac, but that had turned out to be an annoying little machine which seemed to have swallowed Christmas lights for its lunch. A better option was the legendary Zen, but that was apparently lost with the equally-mythical Liberator. A night of searching was called for...
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Ariston
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Day 2: Where the Twist Flops
Sometimes, even the deadly assasin meets his match. During the night, Obble-42 was murdered--but, as the ship's security officer, he made his assailant pay. It turns out that Ruby was right--Reverse Minuto, a man whose very unremarkability went unnoticed, was given his just reward.
Nominations are now being accepted. Please defend yourself as you are accused.
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Banner Lady
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Boa Languina opened two of her four eyes. Two more dead, in a real duel to the death? Without the entertainment crew being allowed to notify passengers? What an opportunity missed, just when such a spectacle could have lifted everyone's spirits.
Very unusual. She wondered about those who had actively supported Reverso's call to lynch the burlesque cat. Astraea Alcyone had seemed keen to see some blood spilled. Let's see how the priestess defends herself, shall we?
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Women in the church are not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be enjoyed.
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Dafyd
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I think that shows that the Red Cat goddess is almost certainly on our side.
I would tentatively clear everyone who voted to lynch Reverse Minuto. The mafia might have decided to clear themselves in case anyone ever found them out in future on the assumption that they knew it was safe, but I think it's a bit early for them to try playing those games. They always feel clever when you're not mafia, but should one ever be mafia I think it feels better to play safe.
That clears:
The Red Cat Goddess (La Vie en Rouge).
Herodartus (Hart) (who voted before the vote was decided)
and probably also Jorfh the Moose (JFH).
and Grstamjualt (Imaginary Friend).
I personally also trust Rudi (Sylvander).
I think that's enough probable innocents for us to start lynching people. I agree Astraea (Antisocial Alto) is looking suspicious at this point.
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la vie en rouge
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Purrrrrrrrr. That's a turn-up for the books. Right, hopefully you all believe me now (about the role-blocking, and my own innocence).
Random thoughts:
On role-blocking:
I don't really regret blocking the rat. I agree that he is reasoning; I disagreed about the usefulness of said reasoning, however ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) And honestly, I sometimes get the impression that rat likes to disagree with me just to be contrary. That "we should lynch her just for blocking me, even if she is innocent" thing is probably just sour grapes about the nasty bout of Xhoronos that he now knows is headed his way. (Sorry mate). Of course, shutting him up also proves that I'm telling the truth about being a roleblocker.
Providing that I have been contacted by a real psionic, I obviously won't be blocking him/her/it because I know who he/she/it is. I am also going know who he/she/it has investigated, which narrows my field of potentially guilty blockees. The only danger is that I have been lied to and played for a sucker. But I don't think so. I can't block the security guard because he is unfortunately deceased (which I'm expecting to mean that my life expectancy is getting perilously short : ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) ).
On blocking murderers: I'm actually not sure how far my powers extend in this direction, actually, the Power That Is didn't really make it clear. I'm guessing that I can probably block a murder if I infect the individual who actually orders the hit. Of course if we can get the killers down to one, I can obviously block forever providing I get the right person.
On the psionic:
I am being made party to all of the psionic's findings. I'm not sure whether these ought to be revealed to the public at large or not. I see a great advantage in publicly declaring innocents, because it makes those individuals unlynchable by anyone except the very, very stupid, but it's true that it moves them up the MAFIA hitlist. OTOH, these people are secondary targets compared to the psionic and me. (Should I buy the farm in the near future, the psionic will choose another innocent to pass along the information along to.) Not sure what's for the best here.
The psionic has told me he/she/it doesn't intend to contact everyone he/she/it finds innocent, in order to reduce the number of people in the know and the chances of someone inadvertently letting something slip before investigations are complete. He/she/it is also concerned about revealing his/her/its identity to a potential traitor. This means you should give up on "secret web of knowledge via the psionic" plans, because the psionic isn't interested.
The Red Cat
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Surfing Madness
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Zoink wondered if she would ever learn that cider wasn't the answer! One day maybe!! Also she really work on learning to tell lies from truth. Problem was that in life she spent so much time by herself, maybe interacting with others would improve her abilities, on the other hand the boxes wouldn't unpack themselves.
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Dafyd
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Harrumph. Much as I assume the Red Cat Goddess is telling the truth, if she were playing a devious game I think she would be doing exactly what she's doing now. (The detective investigates her, let's her know who he or she is, and then decides not to tell anybody else? It's possible I suppose. Also, she says that the detective is keeping quiet until he or she finishes her investigations - but the detective can't possibly finish her investigations faster than the mafia kill everyone off.)
I'm proposing to continue for the next couple of rounds on the assumption that the Red Cat Goddess is telling the truth; but if anyone can contradict her story could they please find a way of passing that knowledge onto the general public?
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The Great Gumby
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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:
I think that shows that the Red Cat goddess is almost certainly on our side.
Agreed.
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I would tentatively clear everyone who voted to lynch Reverse Minuto. The mafia might have decided to clear themselves in case anyone ever found them out in future on the assumption that they knew it was safe, but I think it's a bit early for them to try playing those games. They always feel clever when you're not mafia, but should one ever be mafia I think it feels better to play safe.
I'm not so sure about this. There's a hidden false assumption in there. I don't think we know whether Minuto was attempting a hit on Obble-42, picking the wrong robot to mess with, or Ruby, who was being guarded by the robot. If it was the former, it was a remarkable coincidence. If the latter, let's consider the implications:
The MAFIA knew Ruby to be innocent. They also therefore knew with a high degree of certainty that she was honest about being guarded by the security droid. They knew she was talking a lot (and had to be silenced) before the vote began, but to do that would involve sacrificing one of their number to remove her bodyguard. In those circumstances, they may have cooked up a plan to send Minuto (already under suspicion) on a kamikaze mission before the vote took place, and therefore voted to deflect suspicion, but also to ensure that Minuto survived to complete his hit.
If my reasoning and assumptions are correct, we're looking for someone who voted to lynch Minuto, but at a time when he was difficult or impossible to lynch. I'd say Herodartus, Jorfh and Grstamjualt all fit that description to some extent. Of course, it's just a different viewpoint, based on different assumptions, but I feel uncomfortable about assuming them innocent at this stage.
Now, who's for tennis?
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I'm not sure about that. I was assuming that we had a security guard who could prevent a murder and stay alive. At any rate, the securitybot never contacted me prior to getting done in.
I had noticed that the hospitality bot was keeping quiet, it may be that the MAFIA had noticed the same thing. Someone keeping a low profile is either a) having an attack of real life b) hiding because they are a murderer or c) hiding from the murderers. So they might have gone for Obble-42 because they thought it was the psionic, or a security guard who protected others (they knew it wasn't one of them, so it had to be (a) or (c)).
The simpler explanation is that our erstwhile killers have just had a stroke of extraordinarily bad luck.
I shall be joining the snake in voting for Astraea Alcyone, unless she can come up with an extremely compelling defence. Wanting me dead is reason enough. Vindictive, moi? Too right.
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The Great Gumby
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
At any rate, the securitybot never contacted me prior to getting done in.
Fair enough. I had it in my head that you would be protected by him, but obviously misremembered that as a claim you'd made, rather than something you'd requested. And looking back, I can't see any indication that the security officerbot would kill/be killed in preventing a hit, although it may be what happened. I like devious strategies, but they probably did just get lucky.
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The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. - Richard Feynman
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Herodartus reviewed his notes, which as someone within a fondness for a past, he had written up in a mock-up of the ancient spreadsheet program "Excel."
Reverso had voted for Rudy and Ruby. The people who had voted for him while he was still vulnerable were Ruby, myself and kind of Jorfh. I think Rudy, Ruby and I should be assumed innocent for the time being.
I share suspicions of Astraea.
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I believe Ruby. Her story is too open to falsification to be made up.
I agree with Herodartus about trusting Rudy, Ruby (again!), and Herodartus himself.
I haven't absorbed all the recent posts enough yet to decide if I trust anybody else.
I don't have any suspicions yet.
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Based purely on the voting so far I would suggest that the Red Cat and Herodartus are innocent. Also I don't think two mafia would both vote for the Cat when there was no chance of lynching, which exonerates Zoink. I would also suggest the same of Neversaid and Dr Netua, as I don't think Mafia would vote so quickly for no lynching when one of their own was up for nomination, although they might try and sway the vote this way.
Now either the Mafia have always voted together, in which case Astrea really does have some questions to answer, or, as I still think is more likely, they have split their votes to better conceal themselves. Voting for your own when there is no chance of lynching seems like a good tactic to me, which makes me suspicious of Grstamjuarlt and Jorfh.
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Minuto's search ended in failure - or so he thought. A small robot looked remarkably like the late Orac, as long as his casing was removed: something the robot objected to. While trying to deactivate the robot, the robot activated a self-destruct system. One major problem with being human-basic: no defence shields. As Minuto's life ended, some words of comfort entered his mind. "And so it begins..."
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The Power That Is, now having a real keyboard, decides to fix a little error/do some exposition . . .
Day Three: Where the Twist Flops
There were only so many ways to navigate the interstellar wilds of the Carina Arm. Even a ship as fast as the Ariston was rumored to be couldn't avoid the simple fact that the laws of nature could only be skirted on technicalities, but never broken. Miro Tokomauro, head of Provisional Battlegroup Seven, Nineteenth Fleet Detatchment, Thirty-ninth Armada, Twenty-seventh Force (and so on) of the Presa Empire, was guarding exactly such a way. All indications were that an extremely large and spectacularly fast ship was approaching his position; if the Ariston failed to reach her final destination, the ensuing scandal could prove extremely useful for leveraging the Confederacy into reconsidering its neutrality . . .
Tokomauro prepared for the kill. His "small" battlegroup was already in the perfect position to ambush the unarmed ship that should be arriving any moment now . . .
The ensuing firefight settled nothing more than the long-understood tactical principle that the ideal strategy for ambushing unarmed vessels is not the same as the one for defending against unanticipated Caadran dreadnoughts.
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"Officer Rhyddwyn?"
"Sir."
"Congratulations. You're in command."
"Beg your pardon?"
The quartermaster had honestly not expected this interruption to his morning. Everything else? He already had a contingency in place. Two or three, in some cases. Being told that the Ariston was now his by the Ambassidor? Not so much.
"We looked over the chain of command; you're next in line."
"With all due respect, sir, I'm the quartermaster. I didn't think my name even showed up on that list."
"It does."
"Right. Doesn't procedure dictate that someone higher than me has to be off the bridge to keep this from happening?"
"That would be the head of engineering, who is slightly busy at the moment. We then come to the prime network monitor. Xhosimina, as you may have heard, is not in the best mental state to take command of a starship. Now, we've got you."
"I thought being quartermaster was supposed to disqualify you from this job—separation of powers and all that."
"Well, it looks like you get to be even more of a tyrant than most of your colleagues even want to be. Come now, your assistants can handle your absence—you don't actually need to spend the day coming up with a fifteenth backup plan."
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"I wouldn't be overjoyed either if I were her."
"But she's alive! You saved her!"
"And now she's stuck. Perhaps, dare I say it, permanently."
"Fine. I guess it sucks. I still wish she'd stop crying about it already."
"Quite frankly, I don't care what you think, so long as you keep an eye on her. Don't let her out of your sight—don't even blink." Mycroft turned sharply on the orderly and walked out of the ward.
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Astrea Alcyone sits alone in the dock—but is she really the only suspicious character on board? What does she have to say for herself? Would anyone else care to justify their past actions? All this and more, by Friday at midnight EST!
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la vie en rouge
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I still think the priestess looks as guilty as a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo - but here's what worries me. Why haven't the mafia put up a second candidate? Have they decided it's a lost cause and decided to cut her loose, or is she innocent and they are going to let her get lynched without any opposition?
Could be the former, of course.
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Antisocial Alto
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I see the lynch mob is after me yet again. Great Zeus... you take a few hours off to do a virtual sacrifice in the holodeck, just to keep your hand in, and all Hades breaks loose while you're gone.
So you all suspect me because of my voting record? There were other people who voted the same way I did both times. There was Reverse Minuto, and... and... oh dear. Well, we know now that Reverse was Mafia. If I were Mafia too, would I have been stupid enough not to split my vote from his at least once?
I know I appear suspicious because I've been voting to lynch when others have been advocating no lynching; I learned the strategy (unfortunately for me, it now seems) of kill-'em-all-and-let-God-sort-'em-out at the Battle of Ypres, much good it did us then. I'm sure Rudi would have been suggesting the same thing if he hadn't been ill, thanks to Ruby.
Speaking of Ruby, if I'm a Mafia, why haven't they put up a second candidate to take the heat off me, as she asks? It seems they want me lynched. It's pretty darn lonely up here on this gallows!
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In the desert, two times ago, the Mafia all voted together on the first round. In Ypres, they voted differently. So I don't think we can conclude anything from whether anyone voted the same as or different from Reverse Minuto.
It's odd that no-one else has been put up for lynching besides AA. That argues that AA is innocent.
On the other hand, anyone putting someone else up for lynching, now stands to get suspected as Mafia trying to protect AA. That renders it less suspicious that no-one's been put up, and tilts it back to being possible (though not necessarily likely) that AA is Mafia. It would mean that the Mafia would be risking losing a second Mafia very early on, which seems quite risky. So that tilts me back to thinking AA is innocent.
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Voting for your own when there is no chance of lynching seems like a good tactic to me, which makes me suspicious of Grstamjuarlt and Jorfh.
I don't think we should have just one person up for lynching. Therefore, I nominate Jorfh (even if, by my own reasoning, that makes it likely for y'all to suspect me of being Mafia protecting AA. I'm not, but then, we'd all say that, wouldn't we?).
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Assuming that there's a traitor, we may well have started with only two mafia.
I'm more suspicious of Gumblor, Leox and Miss Smudgeson than of Jorfh myself.
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Artichoke finally appears from the backroom of the little coffee shop, stretching her back and wishing that she was one of those lifeforms which had no knees. Much as she liked to cater for the wide variety of needs expressed by her customers, cleaning mocha stains off a large bath was not her idea of a good time. (In other words, many apologies that real life took me right away from the game for a few days, but I wasn't going to turn down the offer of lots of overtime at work or the offer of a brother to plumb in a new dishwasher in favour of a game of Mafia!).
I too am convinced by the cat's story. Concocting a story like that would be far too open to being proved a liar and thus far too risky a tack to take unless telling the truth, I'm sure. (Or maybe I'm just judging her by my own lack of ability to lie convincingly over time!) So I will not be backing any allegations against the cat.
For this reason, I am happy to go along with her assertion that the moose is also innocent.
I am uncertain of the roles played by AA, but also by RR. That Rudi certainly seems to be a bit of a rat. It has occured to people here that there being an unsplit vote indicates that AA is not mafia, but I am sure that the mafia are clever enough to counterbluff. By not proposing another victim they could well be manipulating us into not voting for her. Oh my, this is confusing... and I haven't even had my morning cuppa yet.
I will vote for Astrea Alcyone.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Ahem. I have it on good authority that Jorfh the Moose is innocent.
I'm willing to believe that, and regret my nomination. Unless, I suppose, he is a traitor, but we've got no evidence to suggest that.
At this rate, I'm never going to vote for a lynching.
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As has already been noted, Grstamjuarlt didn't have feelings, emotions, or anything that most corporeal beings would readily understand as a train of thought*. But that said, (and using approximate language) it did rather feel as if its options were somewhat limited.
That the MAFIA did not see fit to quickly accuse anyone in response to the initial accusation of Astraea does rather suggest that this being is innocent. So if that rules out voting for her then this only leaves the question of Jorfh and no lynching.
Of course, everyone on the Ariston 'heard' these words in a different way: Grstamjuarlt was able to directly transmit the thoughts straight into their brain, and those ideas had a knack of manifesting themselves in the correct language, idiom, cadence and phrasing for the individual who was hearing. Concepts are powerful.
In previous rounds it has seemed prudent to look for a conviction wherever possible. Since there is no substantial evidence to the contrary, it is still possible that he may be so voting for his lynching seems like a sensible idea.
The process of 'hearing' these concepts was not altogether pleasant for the others on board. Some reacted with a distinct discomfort of the bowel. Others began to worry that the voices were a sign of mental imbalance. Still others decided to back off the acid for a while. Nobody was truly comfortable.
On another note, I suggest that Artichoke's behavior is somewhat suspicious. An early declaration of voting intention coupled with a long period of silence could be considered classic MAFIA modus operandi.
* There were some evolutionary accidents in the outer regions of the Pledian arm of the galaxy: transcendental beings who happened to be passing by decided that there was some merit in investigating the feasibility of sexual relations between themselves and the hermaphrodite species which they found there. The offspring were not easy to describe in words...
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Are we voting now? My usual strategy is to vote for lynching whenever possible, but *ahem* in this case I don't seem to feel so bloodthirsty. No lynching.
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I find the priestess's defence unconvincing. The absence of another candidate is a point in her favour, but it isn't enough. I suspect the counterbluff.
The fact is that faced with the choice between an evil MAFIA killer and a perfectly innocent moggie, she voted early to lynch the pussy-cat.
One bad turn deserves another.
I vote for Astraea Alcyone.
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I think the MAFIA, if there are any more left, are so convinced of the groundswell of opinion against the priestess that attempting to oppose her execution would expose them. I wonder if, after her death, I'll be able to investigate the archive material that most priestly types carry around with them? Anyway... my vote is for Astraea.
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Definitely Astraea Alcyone.
(corrected spelling)
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Neversaid, having advocated holding off lynching for a while, thought they needed to start lynching at some point. He had a fair idea of a number of people who were innocent. Astraea Alcyone wasn't among them.
He had an idea that expelling traitors from airlocks was considered an appropriate mode of execution by some respected admirals.
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Zoink was amazed at how much certain small hyperactive robots sucked the energy out of her. Before going for a sleep, that she was grateful to get the chance to have, she voted for Astraea Alcyone for lyncing.
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Oh, how lovely! I find someone suggested an army of brutes, semi-barbarians and well-arranged pieces of scrap knock my door in and lights out. How pleasant, yet silly. I have been declared innocent by a generally trusted source, which I take to be a death warrant for the night; even better. Finally, I'm being asked for my say in the whole thing.
Naturally I will stick to the tactics I've employed during this entire journey, to vote for the lynching of someone other than me to see some action that might reveal whose Who's Who's main purpose is to list the security guard and psionic, not the members of the Mafia.
There is a rusty piece of metal among us, but I am not it. I believe Astraea Alcyone might be.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
I'm more suspicious of Gumblor, Leox and Miss Smudgeson than of Jorfh myself.
Well, that's up to you, but I can assure you that I'm innocent of everything but a burning desire to win the Intergalactic Pan-Dimensional Tennis Open (Wimbledon was so 20th Century, you know). With luck, someone will be able to confirm that.
As for the vote, I suspect that the deafening silence after Astraea's nomination indicates that we have the wrong being, but with this wretched bot unable to distinguish between sporting ambition and murderous criminality, I'd feel much more comfortable in the majority voting for her, especially if she does turn out to be guilty. Tricky.
I fully expect her to be lynched, but I vote for no lynching.
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Well the Mafia may have been silent because Astraea is the only active mafiosa left, or she has one remaining partner who would be painting a great big "I am Mafia" sign on themselves if they said too much.
While I still don't think all mafia would have voted the same way, so there is a good chance that Astraea is an unfortunate innocent, I don't think we can take the risk that she is guilty, so I vote for Astraea Alcyone.
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"Option 1: our lynch mob takes out the last remaining MAFIA operative this afternoon. Perhaps unlikely, but it could happen. It would be wise to plan for even the most unlikely of outcomes. Option 2: we take more drastic measures to try to contain the incident. If we were to place the ship on a partial lockdown, we might be able to ensure the safety of at least some of the passengers, while still allowing the investigation to proceed. Option 3: full lockdown—confine everyone to quarters shipwide. This will stop the killing, at the price of any further knowledge. This assumes, of course, that anyone who could cripple the ship could be stopped by simple door locks. Option 4: total surveillance. All passengers and crew must be in public areas at all times. Security blockades all exits from these areas, and we watch every single move anyone makes. Option 5: give me time, I'll come up with it."
Mycroft was surprised at nothing the ex-quartermaster was proposing, especially not the number of increasingly draconian contingency plans. He almost suggested "kill them all, God will sort the dead" as option 6, but was half-afraid that Rhyddwyn would take it seriously. The steward was also quite glad he hadn't mentioned the Xhoronos virus—though he was fairly certain nobody on board knew how to activate it, the head of supplies was nothing if not persistent . . .
"By the way, what's this I hear about a virus capable of incapacitating people? Perhaps it could be, oh, plan 8?"
"Sir, I don't think we're supposed to know about that. It's probably best left unmentioned. Furthermore, viruses are uncontrollable things. It seems rather imprudent to release a partially-tested military bioweapon on board a starship with a multitude of races from many planets. You wouldn't happen to have a containment plan for when things get messy, would you?"
Rhyddwyn looked slightly uncomfortable. "Not yet. Perhaps I should start developing one, just in case?"
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Mycroft may have been being sarcastic (or just clueless) when he suggested "retail therapy," but Xhosimina was discovering that, perhaps, there was a point to it after all. Not that she really enjoyed endless dithering and consideration; far from it, in fact. What was interesting to her, however, was discovering how many different ways various races and species had of changing their appearance. She had yet to discover whether this supposed . . . well, whatever it was she was made of . . . would be suitable for some of the more exotic techniques, but, as she'd already found out, it was almost perfect for about any sort of tattoo—it was nice to have her wings back. And the piercings. And the stones and beads she'd had woven into her eggplant purple cornrows.
Perhaps being corporeal wasn't going to be so bad after all.
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Oh my oh my oh my! Rudi Rattelschneck breathlessly bobbed round the corner test-running excuses through his brain. Anything sounded better than the honest: “I forgot all about youse guys because I was busy attending the Cologne carnival for a few days.” His speed was hampered by the huge curvy pirate's sabre by his side – silly carnival costume makers never think of producing rat sizes!
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On role-blocking: I don't really regret blocking the rat.
Well, I hope not! At least YOU should have enjoyed it. This was a very nasty bug indeed and if you don't behave from now on, I'll tell everybody all the little details of what you inflicted on me. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) Believe me, the mere description will make the more fainthearted passengers sick to the point of rocking this boat with their convulsions!
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge: I sometimes get the impression that rat likes to disagree with me just to be contrary.
Not so. Relax, it's a game.
Indeed methinks an active roleblocker is a loose cannon. Blocking of players whose role you can't know is dangerous and without benefit. This is bad imho but not bad enough to lynch you. But I think with our lucky strike last night we have almost won anyway, so it won't matter.
Btw: Are we actually sure that Minuto's „assailant“ can only have been a Mafioso? Are there any other killer roles? All seems so flux and the descriptions so cryptic in this round that I have no clue (admittedly I don’t read most of the sci-fi stuff in the posts).
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is probably just sour grapes about the nasty bout of Xhoronos that he now knows is headed his way. (Sorry mate).
Sour grapes? Wouldn't I have had to know in advance you were going to make me sick? ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Instead I went to bed unsuspecting of any impending doom. Just as I was in the middle of the sweetest dream full of nubile rats that give delight and hurt not, a thousand dangling instruments humming about mine ears when I abruptly awoke and found myself in the process of dying an agonising death ... and things got worse from there.
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our security guard is unfortunately deceased
Our doctor is dead?! Who was he/she/it? How? When? Why? By whom? I am only a rat, nobody tells me anything. This is very exciting.
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The psionic has told me he/she/it doesn't intend to contact everyone he/she/it finds innocent, in order to reduce the number of people in the know and the chances of someone inadvertently letting something slip before investigations are complete.
Imparting all information to one player only is unnecessary. After the psionic's death there should be an unmistakable trail in his posts. The web of knowledge is only relevant for lynching, i.e. during the game, not after the psionic has bitten the bullet.
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The psionic is also concerned about revealing his/her/its identity to a potential traitor.
Is there such a role? As I said in that case my (or rather: originally Dafyd's) idea won't work.
I hope the detective thinks again about assuming his team too stupid to be trusted and meanwhile stick to No lynching.
Oh, and the usual: I trust TGG 2 b innocent.
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Originally posted by Sylvander:
Is there such a role? As I said in that case my (or rather: originally Dafyd's) idea won't work.
I'm not worried about the traitor for the time being.
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Well if Reverse Minuto was MAFIA; and if Astraea Alcyone is lynched and proves also to be MAFIA; and if there are only two MAFIA, then the chances are that the traitor will not have had time to connect with either of them. In which case the MAFIA lose. If, however, there were three MAFIA to begin with, then the possibility is that the traitor may well connect with them and the game is on again.
Then there is the tantalizing suggestion from our host that strange things may occur along the way. We have already had an instance of an 'automated defense lawyer program'. Voices and characters thought gone seem to have a way of transmogrifying - I suspect it ain't over yet by a long shot....
Boa Languina closed all but one of her bright purple eyes, and settled back into the gentle froth of her warm cappucino bath. She could really get used to this level of luxury, and happily contemplated trying the other 488 blends of coffee on offer at Miss Smudgeson's in the near future.
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"Well, that pretty much settles it. Eight to three, who cares about abstentions; Astrea Alcyone, you have been condemned by the LUNCHMOB. Any suggestions on how the guilty should be introduced to the next world?"
Mycroft blinked in the moment before he expected chaos to reign.
Nothing happened.
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Then everything did.
Passengers of the Starship Ariston: all active members of the MAFIA have been eliminated. Complete, unqualified victory is yours
The Power That Is made Its presence known. Its power was exceeded only by its wisdom, Its wisdom only by its power . . . and for one infinitely long flash of a demimoment, even that made sense.
We are slightly disappointed in how quickly this "game" we played with you mortals lasted. In retrospect, we see we might have wished to have gone with Predestination Plan Number Two—More Badnicks, This Time At Each Other's Throats! Our cunning Plans and Ideas? Our ways of making you wonder what in Acratlatia was going on in our ineffable head? To be implemented after *another* lynching . . . or any lynching at all, for that matter. But we didn't do that, and you all got smart, so good work.
But!
BUT!!!
The Fun Doesn't Have To End Now.
We have Powers. Plot holes are Nothings to us.
It can all be retconned in the sequel . . .
As the exterior appearance of motion by which the passage of time can be measured by the power of judgment of sensible beings paused (don't ask), a pair of options appeared before each and every member of the LUNCHMOB:
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DO YOU WISH TO CONTINUE?
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Awww. All over. Winning by lucky punch on day two is rather anti-climactic ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Oh. It's finished already…
The psionic (I'll let him reveal who he is) and I were just having a big strategic discussion about what to do next. I'd taken it for granted there was a third killer.
And truth be told, the Red Cat had just made a rather embarassing tactical blunder. I'd just blocked Gumby (because I suspected him of being the third murderer) and it turns out that he had limited keeping-alive powers and was planning to use them to save me. (It was to my advantage to get my pick in ASAP because of actions that would cancel each other out. Whoever got in first would have their action counted.) Whoops ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
What do we think of unlimited communication? I think it was a worthwhile experiment but probably makes it too hard for the mob, if you once work out how to get round the "being sure someone is telling the truth" problem. A third mobster or a defector might have evened things out a bit.
OTOH I got to Reverse the old-fashioned way - decide how you think the killers would have voted, analyse the votes, make the best pick on the available evidence. Eliab has said in the past that he thinks it's more satisfactory to win the game by deduction than detection, and I agree with him. That's the other reason I was never keen on the "secret web of knowledge" idea (that, and the problems with liars - if I'd been mafia, I think I almost certainly would have tried it on just for kicks - and the possibility of a traitor). It seemed to me to be producing a rather dull game. I'd thought about declaring as a useful strategy already, and being nominated made me decide to do it earlier than I'd planned. But I have to confess: I was getting bored waiting around. So I decided to set the Red Cat among the pigeons (as I said at the time, to pep the game up) and see what happened.
That said, I do think the MAFIA were spectacularly unlucky.
Would it be wrong of me to use this as a new sig?
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Originally posted by Demosthenes 0.9:
But, hey, check out the cat chick! Is she smooth or what? I mean, we are talking FRICTIONLESS BEARINGS here. If the beer here were that smooth, I'd be in the bar ALL DAY, dude, and I'm an AI construct, man!
Coming from the mighty Eliab himself, I'm pretty proud of that one ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Much as I love this game, I think I might be in favour of a brief rest before we start it up again. I guess we should see how the Circus hosts feel about it as well.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
And truth be told, the Red Cat had just made a rather embarassing tactical blunder. I'd just blocked Gumby (because I suspected him of being the third murderer) and it turns out that he had limited keeping-alive powers and was planning to use them to save me. (It was to my advantage to get my pick in ASAP because of actions that would cancel each other out. Whoever got in first would have their action counted.) Whoops
That's fair enough - how were you to know? But I'm a little hurt you thought I was a bad guy. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) I didn't reveal myself before that point because I didn't have a vital role, and I wanted to wait long enough to be sure you were who you claimed. Even then, I held out on you a little - as well as being able to "protect" people, at least as far as temporarily being able to speak from beyond the grave, I could (if I chose) turn someone else into me (my role, my alignment) but at the expense of my own life. That was my fallback if I came under too much suspicion or became too obvious a target for the MAFIA.
As Dafyd was openly suspicious of me, I decided the best option was to try to buy a day by "protecting" you, then (having been effectively declared innocent, and with no protection) to commit that strange form of suicide the next day. Fortunately, it didn't come to that.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
The psionic (I'll let him reveal who he is) and I were just having a big strategic discussion about what to do next. I'd taken it for granted there was a third killer.
I totally thought you were the psionic because of all the "My friend the psionic says" stuff! You were going to die as soon as I could make it look like a coincidence.
I'm sorry Rev and I didn't make the game more challenging- I was enjoying playing in this universe. It was a combination of crossed signals in one of the voting rounds, bad luck (his) and inexpertise (mine).
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Hooray. We won! And only two innocents dead.
I agree that secret communications for the innocents makes it easier for them. Possibly too easy, but I'm not sure. The mafia have a lot of advantages as it is.
I don't know whether to chalk this up in favour of the delayed lynching strategy. On the one hand, delying lynching made it more likely that the mafia would gun for Obble before too many people were killed. But we were lucky they went for him so early. On the other hand, La Vie en Rouge correctly spotted a mafia member using old fashioned spot them and lynch them techniques. Whether Reverse Minuto would have stood out so much if so many innocents weren't trying out the no lynching strategy I don't know.
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Question: one person contacted me privately to out themselves as the traitor and expressed a wish to keep playing on the innocents team. (They can identify themselves if they wish.) The mafia were weaker than they might have been given that the traitor was actively trying for an innocent victory. What do people think? Is this fair?
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What was with the round-robin letter by the way?
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