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Alfred E. Neuman

What? Me worry?
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
So which decline-and-fall or post-apocalyptic story are we playing out?

--"Omega Man"
--"The Postman"
--"The Road Warrior"
--"Wall-E"
--"The Fifth Sacred Thing"
--"Buffy" (Although Buffy "saved the world--a lot", so we never quite got a full apocalypse. "What, another one?")

My money is on The Road Warrior:

My life fades, the vision dims.
All that remains are memories.
I remember a time of chaos; ruined dreams this wasted land.
But most of all, I remember the Road Warrior, the man we called Max.
To understand who he was, you have to go back to another time when the world was powered by the black fuel and the deserts sprouted great cities of pipe and steel.
Gone now swept away.
For reasons long forgotten, two mighty warrior tribes went to war and touched off a blaze which engulfed them all.
Without fuel they were nothing.
They'd built a house of straw.
The thundering machines sputtered and stopped.
Their leaders talked and talked and talked but nothing could stem the avalanche.
Their world crumbled, the cities exploded.
A whirlwind of looting; a firestorm of fear.

[ 06. August 2011, 05:48: Message edited by: Alfred E. Neuman ]

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Boogie

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Nah - my money is on the usual muddle through.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
So which decline-and-fall or post-apocalyptic story are we playing out?

--"Omega Man"
--"The Postman"
--"The Road Warrior"
--"Wall-E"
--"The Fifth Sacred Thing"
--"Buffy" (Although Buffy "saved the world--a lot", so we never quite got a full apocalypse. "What, another one?")

I'd liken it to 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' with The Black Knight in the role of the capitalist economy: "'Tis but a flesh wound'" etc.

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Doc Tor
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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
So which decline-and-fall or post-apocalyptic story are we playing out?

--"Omega Man"
--"The Postman"
--"The Road Warrior"
--"Wall-E"
--"The Fifth Sacred Thing"
--"Buffy" (Although Buffy "saved the world--a lot", so we never quite got a full apocalypse. "What, another one?")

I'd liken it to 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' with The Black Knight in the role of the capitalist economy: "'Tis but a flesh wound'" etc.
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

"He chose... poorly."

Actually, as a metaphor it stands up quite well: chasing after an artefact of incomparable power and wealth, able to confer immortality but actually bringing about the destruction of all who seek it. "Let it go."

Family, friends, adventure. Worth their weight in treasure.

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My money is on Soylent Green. Monsanto is working on it already.

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mousethief

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Rollerball. Giant corporations own everything and provide "bread and circuses" for the masses to keep them docile.

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The Matrix: we're all kept in our little cocoon and fed a reality that isn't there while our masters drain the very life energy from us. We individually atrophy away into almost nothing until we're no longer any use... then they flush us down the toilet.

However, you do get to keep voting on which machine gets to do this to us. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
So which decline-and-fall or post-apocalyptic story are we playing out?

quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
Nah - my money is on the usual muddle through.

With acknowledgements particularly to the above posters, I've started another thread to explore this tangent a little. Let it sink or swim.

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ken
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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
So which decline-and-fall or post-apocalyptic story are we playing out?

We've been in a Ken Macleod novel for the past fifteen years or so. Not sure which one yet.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
So which decline-and-fall or post-apocalyptic story are we playing out?

We've been in a Ken Macleod novel for the past fifteen years or so. Not sure which one yet.
Please let it be _Learning the World_. That was full of epic win.

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Golden Key
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{Tangent.}

Doc Tor--

That's one of my favorite films. [Smile]

However, only people who sought the Grail for selfish reasons came to a bad end. Remember the guy from the order of the Cruciform Sword asked Indy why he sought the cup of Christ. Indy said he didn't; he just wanted to find his dad. So the guy wished him well. And when Indy actually did go for the Grail, it was to save his father's life. Because of that (and because he had some common sense!), he made it through ok.

Ilse sought the Grail as a pretty toy; unfortunately, she broke the rules and tried to take the Grail out of Alexandretta. And the guy who "chose poorly" [Paranoid] chose the wrong cup.

I wonder what would've happened if he'd chosen the real Grail, even selfishly? And I wonder what would've happened if Indy's dad had made it to the Grail, on his own quest rather than being forced, and had drunk from it then? His manner of seeking it was sometimes selfish, but he was devoted to it on a spiritual level.

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Golden Key
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Today's edition of "The Newshour" on PBS did a great piece on what wealth distribution in the US is really like, and Americans' misperceptions of it.

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Alfred E. Neuman

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Good lord. The top 20% of Americans own 84% of the wealth.

The bottom 40% own .1% (1/10th of one percent) of the wealth.

We're doomed.

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Golden Key
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BTW, the link I just posted has audio, video, and transcript options.

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Boogie

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From the link -

"It's getting easier for people to ignore the inequality. They can stay far away from it."

Yes - and many deliberately hide from it. They put walls and gates round their well off communities. Then again, there's a wall keeping Mexicans out too, isn't there?

[ 17. August 2011, 06:45: Message edited by: Boogie ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Today's edition of "The Newshour" on PBS did a great piece on what wealth distribution in the US is really like, and Americans' misperceptions of it.

People were asked to look at a chart of a mythical country which has total equality of wealth, a chart of Sweden (not named) which has a middling distance between rich and poor, and a chart of the US (again, not named) which shows a huge gap between the rich and poor. Many of them choose the Swedish chart as representing the US and speculated that the US chart represented places like India or a third-world country in Africa.

Interestingly, Americans in the lower end of the economic scale more often correctly picked the right pie chart. They know they aren't in an equal system.

I believe many good people don't really want to let go of the idea of the "American Dream" because it is a dream of equality. And since many people tend to live in non-diverse neighborhoods, it's easy to look around and think that life here is generally better for all than it really is.

And then there are those who benefit from the inequality and don't seem willing to consider what the gap in rich/poor really means for the health of our nation in general. I wish some of them would pay more attention to Warren Buffet.

sabine

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quote:
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Then again, there's a wall keeping Mexicans out too, isn't there?

Not really. There's a wall that some people claim is keeping Mexicans out, but mostly it does other stuff.

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Flooding caused by a border security fence in southwestern Arizona shows the structure is being built too quickly and without regard for the environment, critics say.

Debris and water backed up at the fence during a storm July 12, leading to flooding at the port of entry at Lukeville and Sonoyta, Mexico, and at the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument.

"One of the reasons for it was the debris that accumulated on the fence itself," said Lee Baiza, superintendent of the monument, a lush desert tract overseen by the National Park Service.

As a measure to divert the flow of people, as opposed to water, the border fence has been significantly less successful.

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Golden Key
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And there's this shocking bit, from the "Newshour" transcript:

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Economist Richard Freeman is not surprised.

RICHARD FREEMAN: We're high for a poor country, in terms of inequality, and we're a rich country. We're about the same level of inequality as China. And, of course, China, half the population are rural peasants who are not part of the modern world.

And if we were to compare us with African countries, dictators in different places, you know, taking a lot of the wealth from normal people, we would be among the top half of the African countries of inequality. So, the U.S. really has reached an extraordinary level of income inequality.




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Timothy the Obscure

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And Rick Perry now complains that the real injustice is that the poor are not paying enough taxes.

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Golden Key
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FYI: there are some questions about the Swedish statistics.

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