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basso

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Mmm. Haven't been here in a while.

If you want to throw away the file extension, use basename.
code:
bpm@mehitabel:~$ ls 0470613033.pdf 
0470613033.pdf
bpm@mehitabel:~$ basename 0470613033.pdf .pdf
0470613033

If you've got filenames with embedded spaces, the -print0 switch with find is handy. You combine it with xargs -0 for some real magic.

This looks like a good intro.

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Coffee Cup
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Can anyone recommend a decent external hard-drive for backing up my laptop please? Either 500GB or 1TB, and it can like on my desk at home so it's fine if it needs an external power supply. But cheaper would be better than more expensive and I'm a bit confused about which of the brands are more reliable - a peek at amazon and pcworld suggests that western digital, iomega, seagate, samsung and hitachi are all options.

I'm in the UK if that's at all relevant...


ps - I can't believe i've been writing shell scripts for five years and never heard of basename (I'd been using sed 's/\.txt//g' type statements).

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Doublethink.
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Maplins have a special off on this 1TB seagate - it would be easy on the eye too. Though I have no idea on what criteria one distinguishes between hard drives.

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Jessie Phillips
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Does anyone have any suggestions about getting software 56k modems working in Ubuntu?

I've got a computer running 9.10 (not the one I'm posting from), and not the most recent kernel version. The start-up manager is set to default to Linux 2.6.31-14.

The reason I don't run Linux 2.6.31-22 is because there's a PCI 56k modem - it's a software modem, although I have forgotten what type. Once upon a time, it actually worked in Ubuntu 9.10, although I've forgotten what I did - although I do remember that I had to jump through a lot of hoops. I specifically remember that it didn't work in 2.6.31-22, but it did work in 2.6.31-14.

But now, it doesn't work in 2.6.31-14. When dialling using the GNOME PPP application, it dials, it beeps, it makes the usual screechy noises 56k modems make - and then that's it.

I remember that in order to get it working, I had to identify what type of modem it was, and download a driver from the manufacturer's website - but since it's a PCI device that's inside the computer, I have forgotten who the manufacturer is, and I'd have to shift a lot of clutter to get the computer out to open it up to have a look at it. It would be a lot easier to identify the modem using a software diagnostic tool, although I've forgotten how you do that too.

In an ideal world, I would have a 56k modem router that I could plug lots of computers into using Ethernet leads. But such beasts are hard to find, and are horribly expensive when you do find them. Broadband modem routers are generally a lot cheaper. But the advantage of 56k is that if you move house - or if your broadband connection goes down - it's usually possible to get 56k dial-up internet access a lot more quickly than fixed-line broadband access. So it bothers me that I can't get 56k to work. Any suggestions? Thanks.

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Doublethink.
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Emergency mobile dongle might be a lot simpler.

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Alex Cockell

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This is why I have a Zoom 3G travel router

With an emergency 3 dongle..

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Snags
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Coffee Cup: as with everything, in terms of what's "good", you'll probably get 20 different answers from 12 different geeks [Smile]

FWIW, for a basic USB HDD I'd tend towards Western Digital Elements at the moment. We use a lot of WD drives, internal and external, 2.5" and 3.5" and (for the last few years) they've been a good balance on cost, performance and reliability.

Seagate basic externals seem OK too, although I have historic issues with Seagate (which may no longer be valid).

If you've got appropriate software already, I wouldn't bother paying the extra for a WD MyPassport or MyBook - the basic drives will be the same, they just come with some extra guff and a prettier case.

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Mr. Spouse

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quote:
Originally posted by Coffee Cup:
Can anyone recommend a decent external hard-drive for backing up my laptop please? Either 500GB or 1TB, and it can like on my desk at home so it's fine if it needs an external power supply. But cheaper would be better than more expensive and I'm a bit confused about which of the brands are more reliable - a peek at amazon and pcworld suggests that western digital, iomega, seagate, samsung and hitachi are all options.

Wot Snags said. Have a read of the customer reviews on the likes of Amazon and eBuyer, etc.

The only caveat would be reliability if you are using it for backup purposes - Network drives (aka NAS units) can use paired hard drives (aka RAID) to write two copies of everything. That way if one drive fails, you don't lose all your data.

If you go for a single drive, if you have a fairly new laptop you shouldn't need a separate power supply though that depends on what other USB devices you have. The WD drives usually come with a 2-part USB cable, one for data+power, the other just for power. We have a 250GB WD Passport that works fine with one port on MacBook and Acer laptops but needs the extra power supply on an old Mac, tying up 2 ports.

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Coffee Cup
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Thanks to Think², Snags and Mr Spouse for the suggestions. I'm mildly geeky in this regard, but that's due to too much exposure to linux at w*rk - I've never really bought my own hardware. I've got a newish macbook at the moment, so Mr Spouse's suggestion that I could run a portable hard drive off just one usb port is reassuring. I'll probably go for something like this (or this, which I admit I like because it has pink on it...). I have a follow up question - my old laptop simply had rsync set up with crontab so that it backed up at lunchtime when I was at work. Is my macbook's TimeMachine thing superior to simply rsync-ing the laptop to the hard drive?
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St Everild
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I just let TimeMachine get on with it...backing up my MacBook Pro to a 1TB Western Digital My Book. So far I haven't had any problems...and it was admirably easy to set up and get going.
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Doublethink.
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I have a problem running the ship cafe, google suggests this might be a more general problem. I am running Windows 7 64bit and have a choice of two main browsers 64bit IE explorer and 32bit Firefox (my preference).

I have downloaded (and tried reinstalling etc) the 32 and 64 bit versions of Java 6 23 as is recommended for this situation on their site. I get timed out trying to access the cafe thusly:

quote:
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 86
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1

I note on the web people inconsistently seem to be running into problems running Java on win 7. I have tried suggested fixes including, manually transfering the plugin files for firefox, reinstall, and deleting old versions of java.

Looking at the java error console (which I don't fully understand) I get the following error that might be related:
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aus2.mozilla.org : server does not support RFC 5746, see CVE-2009-3555
However, java games such as this one are running. I can access the cafe using my netbook running win XP so I don't think this is a problem with my internet connection or the cafe itself.

Any thoughts / suggestions would be welcome ?

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Snags
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Think² - lateral thought, use IE 32-bit, which is still available on Win 7, and indeed what most people are using, as there are a lot of compatibility issues with IE 64-bit.

You can also use the 32-bit version of FF if you'd prefer.

I don't use the Café but I'm happy to give it a whirl if it'll help you debug (W7 Pro 64 + FF 32-bit is my standard setup).

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Doublethink.
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Thanks - but it is not working in the 32bit IE either - I suspect it of being an OS issue. I have ubuntu running on a vm, I am jsut installing java to see if that works. If it does, then it definitely isn't a hardware issue.

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Doublethink.
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Hmm, does the same thing in ubuntu with this error message:

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IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line 333
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line 195
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line 182
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line 366
java.net.Socket : connect at line 529
java.net.Socket : connect at line 478
java.net.Socket : <init> at line 375
java.net.Socket : <init> at line 189
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 86
java.lang.Thread : run at line 662



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Snags
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FWIW I've just logged in from FF with a clean Java install ...

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Doublethink.
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I'll log in and have a chat - just a mo.

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Doublethink.
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In on the cafe on the netbook now. I note I don't seem to be able to get my desktop and netbook online at the same time - wonder if this is related.

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Snags
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Bugger, sorry, proved it worked then bailed because had an incoming phone call. Will pop on now just in case (not that I know much about Java)

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Doublethink.
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Thanks for the debug discussion in the cafe - very helpful - looks like I have a problem with my router set-up.

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Talking of hard drives, I bought a WD Network Hard drive so we could back up from the laptop (or future machines) wherever they were in the house.

I've plugged it in, turned it on and connected it into the back of the wireless router (same ports as what my TV/Blueray happily use to access the net) - just like the "easy set up" instructions say.

thing is, the laptop can "see" it's on the network, (becuase it can't see the drive when it's disconnected, or turned off) but trying to use the supplied software tools to map the network drive, or start backup procedures don't work. I click the easy set up button for "map network drive" and nothing happens. It's as if it can see the drive, but can't do any data transfer, or control it. Any thoughts?

[ 03. February 2011, 08:58: Message edited by: Wet Kipper ]

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Paul.
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Think² - the error you're getting means the Cafe client - the java program that runs on your computer - is trying to connect to the Cafe and the connection is deliberately refused. Since you can connect via your netbook - which will look like the same source from the Ship end - it's almost certainly not being blocked at the Cafe itself.

If you look here and here and the related discussion, you'll see that the cafe makes an outgoing connection on port 25424 TCP. If you have a firewall blocking that then it would cause the kind of errors you're getting.

It's possible that this is the firewall on your router but I'd suggest unlikely. Your netbook can connect presumably using the same router so you would have had to configure the router to treat the two computers differently and I guess you'd remember doing that?

My guess is that it's the Windows 7 firewall, or another firewall running on the Win7 machine. I'm not sure how you get to the firewall settings in Win 7 but in XP it was through the Control Panel. You need to make sure it's allowing outgoing connections for port 25424 TCP.

HTH

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lilBuddha
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Wet Kipper,

I believe you need a network storage adapter. Most usb hard drives are not stand-alone, as I recall.

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lilBuddha
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Ooops, sorry Wet Kipper. Your drive is supposed to work without an adapter.

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lilBuddha
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Sorry for the triple post, a bit scattered at the moment. Try using Windows Explorer and browse to the drive.

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Jengie jon

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I have an android phone.

Part of its job is to sync my personal diary with my work diary. I am sorry but carrying a laptop around just to look at my diary was getting too much.

It worked fine until I accidentally sync'd it also with Google Calendar.

Now ever so often it seems to fail to complete a sync with Google Calendar and then starts sync'ing continuously and I cannot stop it (my interpretation, high battery drainage, syncing symbol always present etc), until I sync my contacts with Google. Other methods of stopping such synchronisation such as switching syncing with Google Calendar off, don't work. This also appears to cause duplicate cases if I sync my work diary while it is trying to sync with Google calendar.

I use Synthesis for syncing with my work diary.

Anyone any idea why?

Jengie

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Wet Kipper
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Try using Windows Explorer and browse to the drive.

dumb question, but where do i browse to?

the installer software allows me the configure option, which seems to use an IP address to get to the tools on the HD, but clicking the map network drives option does nothing

and if I try to map network drives using windows explorer, I don't see anything to pick to map to.

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Jengie jon

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The ipaddress of the hard disk perhaps? you can use ipaddresses instead of web addresses in a browser.

Jengie

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Wet Kipper
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that brings no joy.
I'm just wondering if there's a realy obvious answr why it's not working the easy way that it's supposed to.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
thing is, the laptop can "see" it's on the network, (becuase it can't see the drive when it's disconnected, or turned off) but trying to use the supplied software tools to map the network drive, or start backup procedures don't work. I click the easy set up button for "map network drive" and nothing happens. It's as if it can see the drive, but can't do any data transfer, or control it. Any thoughts?

Can you access the unit's setup from a web browser? If you can, go into advanced mode and check the network tab. It will probably say WORKGROUP - compare this to your PC's setup, it may be on MSHOME which will stop them talking to each other. From there, putting the IP address or network name into Explorer should prompt you for a password.

If you tell us what unit you have (eg My Book World) and Windows version, that may help. Or not.

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Doublethink.
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quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
Think² - the error you're getting means the Cafe client - the java program that runs on your computer - is trying to connect to the Cafe and the connection is deliberately refused. Since you can connect via your netbook - which will look like the same source from the Ship end - it's almost certainly not being blocked at the Cafe itself.

If you look here and here and the related discussion, you'll see that the cafe makes an outgoing connection on port 25424 TCP. If you have a firewall blocking that then it would cause the kind of errors you're getting.

It's possible that this is the firewall on your router but I'd suggest unlikely. Your netbook can connect presumably using the same router so you would have had to configure the router to treat the two computers differently and I guess you'd remember doing that?

My guess is that it's the Windows 7 firewall, or another firewall running on the Win7 machine. I'm not sure how you get to the firewall settings in Win 7 but in XP it was through the Control Panel. You need to make sure it's allowing outgoing connections for port 25424 TCP.

HTH

I think you may be right. The network problem is the router is not assigning IPs properly if I have both the netbook and desktop online at the same time - this I need to sort by going into my homehub settings. (Need to to dig out the passwords etc.)

But took the free trial MacAfee off my system and installed AVG. That made no difference and I am trying to tinker with the windows firewall settings.

But although I can find the firewall settings, (via control panel) I am struggling to find out how to change that setting. I shall try googling for OS-specific instructions on that.

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quote:
Originally posted by wilson:
Think² - the error you're getting means the Cafe client - the java program that runs on your computer - is trying to connect to the Cafe and the connection is deliberately refused. Since you can connect via your netbook - which will look like the same source from the Ship end - it's almost certainly not being blocked at the Cafe itself.

If you look here and here and the related discussion, you'll see that the cafe makes an outgoing connection on port 25424 TCP. If you have a firewall blocking that then it would cause the kind of errors you're getting.

It's possible that this is the firewall on your router but I'd suggest unlikely. Your netbook can connect presumably using the same router so you would have had to configure the router to treat the two computers differently and I guess you'd remember doing that?

My guess is that it's the Windows 7 firewall, or another firewall running on the Win7 machine. I'm not sure how you get to the firewall settings in Win 7 but in XP it was through the Control Panel. You need to make sure it's allowing outgoing connections for port 25424 TCP.

HTH

I think you may be right. The network problem is the router is not assigning IPs properly if I have both the netbook and desktop online at the same time - this I need to sort by going into my homehub settings. (Need to to dig out the passwords etc.)

But took the free trial MacAfee off my system and installed AVG. That made no difference and I am trying to tinker with the windows firewall settings.

But although I can find the firewall settings, (via control panel) I am struggling to find out how to change that setting. I shall try googling for OS-specific instructions on that.

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OK - found the instructions - did it but getting this error:

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IO Error (java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect)
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : socketConnect at line -2
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : doConnect at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connectToAddress at line -1
java.net.PlainSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.SocksSocketImpl : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : connect at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
java.net.Socket : <init> at line -1
uk.co.darkgreenmedia.faverolle.SocketComms : run at line 86
java.lang.Thread : run at line -1



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lilBuddha
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Wet Kipper,

Have your tried setting up the drive directly attached to your computer, then plugging it into the router? Also, try inputting the MAC address in the router's security software.

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It's a MyBook World, and I'm running Vista
was thinking of direct connection, will need to try it at home. I'll also need to go looking for the router instructions to remember how to get into it for the MAC address thing

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Tried switching both firewalls off and that doesn't allow me to use the cafe either [Frown]

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sorry Think² - I'm out of ideas.
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What browser are you using, Thinkthink? I can't get Java to work right on Firefox for Linux 3.6.13. I installed Epiphany for when I have to do something in Java.

[ 04. February 2011, 20:13: Message edited by: mousethief ]

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Thanks for trying wilson. I am coming around to the idea I have router problems.

In win 7 I have tried on IE 32bit and 64bit (with both kinds of java). I have used a pc tuner application to update all possible drivers, fix registry errors etc. I have tried with one and both firewalls turned off. I have manually enabled the port mentioned above in windows firewall.

Next plan is to log into my homehub and see if I can fix it there. But I will leave that for tomorrow.

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Apache2, SSL, Subversion on Debian Lenny - How hard can it be?

Harder than me, it would seem. I hate bloody Linux and the half-assed instructions one finds. Especially as this time I thought I was actually making progress.

As there appear to be a few official beard'n'sandals types in here, does anyone know how the hell to get this lot working?

It's a CLI-only install of Debian (onto a VM but that doesn't matter). During the install I asked it to whack Apache2 on and sort itself out.

Foolishly I didn't check that SSL was working, but it /seemed/ to have all the bits in place. Used apt-get to add in sudo, subversion, libapache2-svn and ssh. Followed destructions here to get the svn install going, and it mostly seems to have worked. I haven't tested it via SSH from a client, because I don't have a suitable client to test from (trying to get to the point where I can connect using TortoiseSVN from Windows). However, all the svnadmin and local commands seem to work just fine.

Did the svn WebDAV stuff, but not sure that is working.

Connecting to the default apache site via HTTP produces the success page. Connecting via HTTPS fails miserably.

Have probably now screwed everything up by trying to poke around in the SSL config, but if anyone can give me any pointers I'd appreciate it.

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basso

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Start by making sure that apache is listening.

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[bpm@mehitabel:~]$ netstat -4ln
Active Internet connections (only servers)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:58434 0.0.0.0:*
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:*
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5353 0.0.0.0:*

Of course on this netbook I'm not running any servers, so there's nothing listening at all.

You'll see a line including 0.0.0.0:80 -- that's the regular server.
You also need a line for the listener on the SSL port -- it will be 0.0.0.0:443. If you don't see that follow the instructions here to set that up.
If the secure server is running but not responding, it may be a firewall issue or it may have something to do with your virtualization setup.

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A much more simple question - you folk are so much more techie than me [Overused]

Is it the best to switch off the computer every night? At school all the computers are always switched off at the end of the schol daytime and switched on in the morning. I haven't done this to my iMac for ages, only once on holiday.

I have Silver Keeper attached to it to preserve its stuff in it and it's an old iMac, upgraded from 9 to 10, and it's attached to the phone.

Will it save electricity bills and be better for it, or does switching on regularly cause problems?

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Basso: d'oh, and thanks. I'll fire it up Monday and have a poke (taking tomorrow off out of semi-religiosity and primary needing a break!).

DaisyMay: 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Yes, it will save electricity - even at idle a pooter consumes some power. On the damage/preserve front, there are two competing schools of thought, so It Depends on your situation. Leaving stuff on tends to mean more heat generation, which if it's /lots/ of heat, can be a Bad Thing and shorten lifespan. OTOH, turning things off subjects them to more 'violent' changes of state, and generally the times that things like PSUs, chips etc. are likely to blow is when they get a big surge of power, not a steady trickle. Like ... at switch on.

So you pays yer money and takes yer choice. In reality, unless you have an old and fragile system, or need it to run overnight scheduled tasks, turning it off is probably the sensible thing to do for a domestic machine, but it's not worth losing sleep over either way.

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Oh my goodness. HELP.

I have just tried to transfer a recording from my digital video recorder to my computer, using a USB stick.

The recorder says that it uses a JFS file system. It wouldn't let me transfer anything onto the USB stick until I formatted it for JFS. Okay, done. Copied recording onto stick...

...take stick to computer running Windows XP.

[Frown]

This is the point where I discover that Windows won't recognise something in JFS format.

Then I start reading, and discover how JFS is perfectly familiar in Linux. And I start freaking out. Because I know absolutely nothing about Linux beyond the name.

And then I start reading some stuff about how you can persuade Windows to see JFS, and I barely understand a damn word of it. I don't know the first thing about setting up a virtual machine, or making a part of my hard drive Linux-y or anything like that.

If anyone has a clue how to do this and can step me through what programs to download, etc etc VERY gradually, I'd be much obliged.

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daisymay

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Thanks, Snags , that means I had ideas that it would be good either way, and wasn't being stupid - so I'm going to turn it off every night and during the days I'm off at work... and let's hope it stays OK, as you've mentioned it can.

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orfeo, I think your best bet is to download a Linux live CD image.

The Ubuntu download page is here, and if you've got a vanilla desktop PC, the first link on the page (PC (Intel x86) desktop CD) is the one you'll want. Download that and burn it to a CD [1]. Then reboot with the CD in the drive. The system will come up in Ubuntu without touching your hard drive.

Now you should be able to put your USB stick into the computer and copy the files from it to your hard drive. Choose 'reboot' from Ubuntu and eject the CD to return to Windows.

[1] There's a CD burning guide here.

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I'm feeling clever at the moment.

I've got an app for my iPad that makes it appear as an extra monitor for my laptop. To do this, it needs the computer and the iPad to be on the same wireless network. Problem is, I'm in the library, and it doesn't work over the wifi here.

So I created a wireless network on my computer and it works over that.

Of course, that means that I can't get the internet (since you can't connect to two wifi networks at once). So I'm connected to my mobile phone by bluetooth and getting the net through that.

I had a nice geeky feeling of accomplishment when it all worked [Smile]

Anyone else done anything that they're proud of?

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Orfeo, the other possibility (if you want to avoid Linux as a Big Scary Place) would be to check out if there are any utilities for your particular voice recorder that run on Windows.

In my (not extensive) experience of digital voice recorders* they usually support a USB connection to a PC, and come with some dodgy software that will let you extract the files direct, particularly if they're using a non-Windows compatible file system internally.

*Bah to technology, takes all the fun out of using my dictaphone (ah, the old ones ...)

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basso: Thanks, I will give that a shot.

Snags: not digital voice recorder. digital video recorder. As in a box that is plugged into my analogue television, enables me to receive the brand new (by Oz standards) digital signal and digital-only TV stations, and has a nice big hard drive on it for storing hours and hours of TV shows until I get sick of 'em or move 'em.

I'm actually thoroughly pleased with the box in question, works like a dream. This is the first time I've had any difficulty achieving something with it.

Having said that, your advice is essentially sound and I'll see if there's anything out there.

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Addendum: And it looks like there MIGHT be an appropriate utility. I will have to wait until I get home to check it out.

But thanks for both of the responses, they make me feel a bit more confident.

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Eureka! I think I've cracked it!

It looks as if while the recorder's native format is JFS, it will also recognise a NTFS format drive. As will Windows!

I'm in the middle of transferring a recording onto the USB drive, which I formatted as NTFS via my computer. The mere fact it's attempting a transfer, instead of claiming there is no room on the USB stick, is a great sign.

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