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Banner Lady
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I can assure you I am not working a tag team with the florist, Mr. Tieri. In fact, I rather resent her late nomination of me to try to draw some votes away from Carlozinni. I am still trying to make up my mind what that says about her, and I don't mind at all if the dwarf makes her his next knife sculpture. I will happily supply the calamari and chips to keep his strength up.
Along with the dead cop, Silvio Senonero and Amalia Alto also voted for no lynching. Such an un-Mafia thing to do, don't you think?
Now, please pass me your empty plates, so we can be ready for the next course. A little sorbet, I think would be nice, as a palate cleanser.
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Originally posted by Eliab:
If Allesandro was a Citizen, when fucking Carlozinni made his ridiculous claim to be a cop and a hitman, he'd have known that Carlozinni wasn't one of his. He'd want him dead, but not to associate himself too closely with the decision. I think he'd say "Really? Do you mean that? We shouldn't kill you if its true, but it isn't really likely you'd be both cop and hitman is it...". Sow the seed of doubt, but not commit. He didn't. He said, as I thought - "that's just bullshit".
Antonio, Antonio, Antonio. If you just hold it a minute there, you will realize this does not make sense with your previous speeches. I realize the general school for logics is not open to dwarves, but please, do remember that a certain character had recently professed to a supposedly excellent plan, near foolproof. This plan said the crooks ought to be skeptical of a killing, not rejoicing in one. And yet you suggest this fine chap Literatissimo ought to secretly be rejoicing in an innocent's death, and point to it as a point of blame? I think the reasoning behind that is a story just a little bit to tall for me to swallow, it can just not reach quite far enough.
You know, I read of another megalomaniacal dwarf once. I think you shouldn't take after his example, but rather go a bit easy on the knife. I am sure you're very well aware of who you are and who you come across as. Howbeit, right now you come off as someone who knows the laws and follows them just a tad bit too much. But what is that awful noise? It seems my recent machine, measuring particles of manure in the air, has gone berserk! I have to go and see what's happened with it. Don't worry, I'll be back soon!
Behind him, Bernardo left a quick sketching of Dahlia Chelley, closely resembling a question mark in a way so sublime that it could come only from the hands of a great artist and a genius.
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Chelley
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Originally posted by Hart:
I've been trying to make sense of Dahlia's vote. The only sensible explanation I can think of is this: she wanted to make it look like she had it in for Bellisima without actually endangering her. Why would someone want to do that? Because they were actually in league but didn't want anyone to spot that.
No, I'm not in league with anyone (except the other citizens though unfortunately I don't know who they are). Just because I didn't bother with a 'no lynching' vote or go along with the crowd, but expressed an alternative suspicion ahead of the next round. I'll happily vote for her again along with anyone else who cares to - no in league there.
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The more I think about it, the more that explains. Bellisima plays pretty unobtrusively, agreeing with Eliabone even though his optimistic view of the rationality of human nature was rearing its head again to get the scent off her. Dahlia plays in an aggressive way, simultaneously making herself a target and putting distance between herself and B. If she's done in, Bellisima then has a pretty safe ride through to the end-game and can win.
First, if I'm done in, I don't see how that gives Bellisima a safe ride? If I'm done in you'll find out I'm a citizen and then presumably my suspicions would have some grounds?
And I'm not aggressive, I was only responding to Eliabeone's direct attacks on me - why should I sit back and ignore his threats without responding! From past experience it seems more likely that the real bad guys (ie the 'honest' citizens) might form a pairing of one outspoken aggressive and one run-of-the-mill character who plays it safe?
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I might be reading too much into a move that was simply poorly thought out -- sometimes there just isn't a sensible explanation for what people do, but that's the best a humble accountant can come up with right now.
It wasn't poorly thought out - another vote for Carlozzini wouldn't have made any difference and it got the thoughts going in another direction!
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Chelley
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
I can assure you I am not working a tag team with the florist, Mr. Tieri. In fact, I rather resent her late nomination of me to try to draw some votes away from Carlozinni.
Not the reason for my vote for you - that was pure suspicion and nothing to do with Carlozzini - it was already time-up for him!
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I am still trying to make up my mind what that says about her, and I don't mind at all if the dwarf makes her his next knife sculpture. I will happily supply the calamari and chips to keep his strength up.
Well that wouldn't bother you, would it, if you were in league with him.
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Amico Imagiani, being an introvert, was somewhat overawed by the confidence that flowed out of the dwarf. Surely, he was a man who should be feared for his ability to end your life in exactly as painful a way as he wanted, but it was less obvious if his deductive powers matched up to his destructive prowess. Perhaps the attempts to drive the group his way were an attempt to bluster through any speculation that he was behind the Don's death. Perhaps the rage shown is just a front to hide a dark scheme to take down the mob from the inside.
Now, for Ms Rossi's attempts of compassion on Don Carlozzini, that was somewhat strange. Amico didn't know much of previous games, and was not inclined to allow them to count for much. Different roles, different behaviors, mistakes that had been learned from, and the benefit of experience all thrown into the melting pot of emotion that drove the players to their decisions. But having said that, she was defending the innocent, so that may suggest that she herself is not an Honest Citizen.
Bernado - wise words at opportune times, but a little difficult to read for motive. What is your game, I wonder?
Dahlia, my dear. Your move in the voting was strange, but it is somewhat difficult to place in the bigger picture. But abnormality will be remembered, that is for sure.
For myself, I think the lion's share of the suspicion has to fall on those that voted for the departed cop, and especially those that set the ball rolling for his demise, i.e. the early voters. That puts Eliabeone, Bellisima, and Harry in the spotlight. What do you have to say for yourselves?
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Banner Lady
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Well, Miss Dahlia, if you are innocent, and Mr.Antonio does succeed in doing away with you, then we will all know he really does have it in for the citizen vigilantes. One vigilante (Carlozinni) might be a chance killing, but two in a row would be extremely unfortunate. This would put him firmly in the mafia camp.
Though I secretly suspect he doesn't mind who he kills as long as a bit of blood gets sprayed around.
Now, does everyone have a spoon?
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Amico, amigo, I was asked to fix the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel since the Pope was keen on brushing up the image of the Catholic church. I am sure that my many motives would be lost on inferior souls, which is why all my devices and tools only come with one single big red button (as I'm sure you all know). I intend for it to be able to be used even by a child, or a dwarf. However, my reasons could, with much loss of sublime overtones of course, be concentrated to this sentence:
I intend to reason and argue and be judged on my reasonings and arguments. This will make me a verifiable character, and later in the game it will become clear from this where my allegiance lies, and easy to take me out if I'm good. This is of course given that no one dares to enter my workshop, full of horrendous traps and tools, with anything less than baleful intentions.
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What I don't get is why Bellisima is so keen to back up Eliabeone. Even after watching him shoot his own master-plan down in flames by instigating the lynching of our policeman.* Shorty's own confidence in himself is apparently undimmed, which is par for the course, but why the caterer would still think him infallible is more of a mystery. I'm not sure it's a sign of collusion, because I wouldn't expect the murderers to be so unsubtle, but I do wonder if it doesn't mean *something*.
*I don't think this is particularly a sign of Eliabeone's guilt per se. To take out a detective that early probably is more a question of chance than anything else. After all, we're all working on no information. Personally the reason I thought Carlozzini should be kept alive was exactly what I said - I think it's a bit unsporting for the same person to get killed first every time. ITTWACW ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
For myself, I think the lion's share of the suspicion has to fall on those that voted for the departed cop, and especially those that set the ball rolling for his demise, i.e. the early voters. That puts Eliabeone, Bellisima, and Harry in the spotlight. What do you have to say for yourselves?
Shit, you found me out.
I saw a really great chance of a weight-of-metal win against my own side, and I thought - "You know what, I'm going to tell the opposition exactly how to do it best, ‘cos I'm that fucking confident I can find their bent cop on a blind pick first fucking go, then persuade everyone else to lynch him while he keeps his mouth shut until it's too late."
Right.
Or I could be innocent.
Which do you think is more fucking likely?
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Eliab
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Originally posted by JFH:
Antonio, Antonio, Antonio. If you just hold it a minute there, you will realize this does not make sense with your previous speeches. I realize the general school for logics is not open to dwarves, but please, do remember that a certain character had recently professed to a supposedly excellent plan, near foolproof. This plan said the crooks ought to be skeptical of a killing, not rejoicing in one. And yet you suggest this fine chap Literatissimo ought to secretly be rejoicing in an innocent's death, and point to it as a point of blame?
Do I have to do all your thinking for you?
We should always lynch. We don't kill, we can't win. The hitman might guess right, but we don't learn nothing from what he does. Only if the only person at risk is known to be ours does not lynching make sense.
That means that, at the start of the vote, the Citizens SHOULD slightly prefer no lynching. No kill at all throws out the numbers on my plan, but even with the hitman active, they should prefer a random killing that (a) tells us nothing and (b) doesn't give our specials the chance to speak up and save themselves, to a random lynching. Got that?
But that's not always true at the end of a vote. Once we have only one person we can execute, like we did at the time I'm talking about, the Citizens KNOW whether the bastard's theirs or ours. When the next man dead's either "one of ours" or "hitman's choice", obviously they want that lead suspect in the ground, rather than risk a shot in the dark. Fucking obviously.
Which means that Alessandro, if innocent, would have thought that Carlozinni was obviously lying, and should be lynched, expecting to find that he was a Citizen. If he was a Citizen, he would also have wanted him dead, ‘cos he knew he'd be innocent, but the difference is, knowing that Carlozinni was certainly ours, and would be revealed as ours, he wouldn't have wanted to be too blatant about handing Dahlia or Amici the shovel to bury him. And he blatantly was blatant about it. Dunno if he's a Citizen or not, but this evening he wasn't fucking acting like one.
Holy Mary's bastard, I reckon God made all brains at the same height. Mine's in my head and yours is in your ass.
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Mr Grigio regretfully announces that the Honest Citizens have struck again and killed Allesandro Literati (AristonAstuanax). He was an ordinary loyal mafioso (citizen).
We'll have a nominations and defense phase this time which will run until Friday evening (about thirty six hours from now). Voting over the weekend.
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Eliab
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Originally posted by JFH:
You know, I read of another megalomaniacal dwarf once.
Not a megalomaniac. My last shrink reckoned I was a borderline personality psychopath, or something.
Then he said I had homicidal urges and paranoid delusions, but I reckon someone put him up to say that, so I stabbed him.
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Eliab
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
Memo to all members of the inner circle:
if you are rude about other members of the inner circle that is fine, but please be careful to differentiate that from your player being rude about other players. Err on the side of blandness, unless you want to give people an in-game reason to target you.
[OOC]I'd like to assure my fellow players that anything I post in Antonio's voice is wholly and entirely in character, and not remotely intended to be rude about other players, who in real life I hardly hate at all.[/OOC]
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Somewhere among the guns, drugs, booze, and mortadella, there must be a broom. The store was a notorious mafia hangout, with more hidden space in the basement than real space up top; what with the recent killing and investigations, there was bound to be a meeting here sometime. Might as well make things look nice . . .
Wait. The meeting wasn't supposed to happen until later. Why were there people here this time of night—oh. Oh no. This wasn't good.
A few Honest Citizens took Literati from behind and handcuffed him; another flipped the switch on the deli slicer, then drew a carving knife from the butcher block.
"What'll it be? Shaved, or sliced?"
A rough pair of hands gagged Allesandro.
"How 'bout a few pounds of each?"
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Banner Lady
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"Dear Allesandro, dead?" Bellisima shook her head.
This made her very uneasy. She had liked working with the storekeeper - he had such very INTERESTING things in his shop. Had the dwarf gone one step too far? Or was there some quieter, more malevolent person at work, here.
Antonio Eliabeone, what have you got to say for yourself?
[ 21. September 2011, 20:01: Message edited by: Banner Lady ]
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Eliab
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Had the dwarf gone one step too far? Or was there some quieter, more malevolent person at work, here.
Quieter, certainly, but if you find some fucker more malevolent, me and him are gonna have words.
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Chelley
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
What I don't get is why Bellisima is so keen to back up Eliabeone. Even after watching him shoot his own master-plan down in flames by instigating the lynching of our policeman.* Shorty's own confidence in himself is apparently undimmed, which is par for the course, but why the caterer would still think him infallible is more of a mystery. I'm not sure it's a sign of collusion, because I wouldn't expect the murderers to be so unsubtle, but I do wonder if it doesn't mean *something*.
*I don't think this is particularly a sign of Eliabeone's guilt per se. To take out a detective that early probably is more a question of chance than anything else. After all, we're all working on no information. Personally the reason I thought Carlozzini should be kept alive was exactly what I said - I think it's a bit unsporting for the same person to get killed first every time. ITTWACW
But could these be the 'apparently' benevolent words of someone trying to shift attention? Perhaps the Judge is actually in league with Bellisima?
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
"Dear Allesandro, dead?" Bellisima shook her head.
This made her very uneasy. She had liked working with the storekeeper - he had such very INTERESTING things in his shop. Had the dwarf gone one step too far? Or was there some quieter, more malevolent person at work, here.
Antonio Eliabeone, what have you got to say for yourself?
You seem to have shifted your view a bit here Ms Legatura?
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Banner Lady
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My view is entirely centred around how many people to cater for, when it comes to serving the next course. That's what I'm paid for.
I have never cried over the death of any human being I've ever known; but when business goes on so long that it ruins the food; I will howl, throw meat mallets, cry buckets and become inconsolable. This tune is the same one I have always played.
Another damask napkin? Certainly. I love to see someone enjoying their food SO very much, my dear.
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Since news arrived of Alessandro’s death, the library has fallen strangely silent. People are avoiding each other’s gaze, pretending to read the newspaper and continuing to push their spoons around empty plates. All in all it’s a very odd state of affairs. Even Eliabeone, who usually makes up in mouth what he lacks in height, hasn’t spoken in his own defence. Apparently such is the climate of suspicion that no one wants to say anything for fear that it will be construed as incriminating.
The trouble is that this doesn’t help loyal family members. Garrulousness is what we need, people. If there’s no talk, then we get no clues about who the murderers are. The only clues we have come from what people say, and if the Honest Citizens can pick us off one by one without saying anything then we’re making life easier for them. Don’t forget that they don’t even need a majority to lynch which potentially makes looking for voting patterns quite difficult. We have to make them talk.
I’m not sure about Eliabeone. For now I’m prepared to think it was probably bad luck that led him to lynch the policeman, because so early in the day there’s no way he could know. I note that his confidence is undented, OTOH and I want to see more compelling evidence before I believe him about Dahlia. He's proved that he's capable of being spectacularly wrong. He’s certainly very obnoxious, but if he’s a traitor as well it strikes me he’s playing a very dangerous game (but what other kind would he play?)
The caterer, meanwhile, has been accused of being in league with, well just about everyone. Harry thinks she might be in league with Dahlia, Dahlia thinks she might be in league with me, and I had noticed her sucking up to Eliabeone although she’s now rather radically changed her position on that one. It's difficult to know what to make of that without also knowing about Eliabeone himself. Alternatively she may have thought he was entertaining for a while and now got bored with him.
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Eliabeone snoozes in the corner, and stirs fitfully, troubled by a strange dream. He is in the desert, and somehow knows it is nearly a year ago. Judge Rossi is God, but also a cat, which is confusing, and even more confusingly, the real God is there too, but he is a murderer named Mortal. Eliabeone watches as Bellisima screams to the heavens that he is an Honest Citizen, even though it is written in the stars that he is innocent. Surely she must be guilty herself...
In his dream, he reaches out slowly and kills her, but her heart bursts from her body shining with innocent purity...
Antonio shudders and awakes, his eyes wide and staring. What the fuck did that mean?
Conscious that everyone is staring at him, he instantly assumes an air of sullen nonchalance, saunters over to the deli slicer, and gives it the most cursory of wipes with his sleeve, and fixes himself a salami sandwich.
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I was planning to see what you lot would come up with, but I’m fucked if I’m going to be the only nominee, so if it’s down to me to suggest as suspect, then I will. Who though?
Not Antonio Eliabeone. I’ll explain why in a bit.
Literati and Carlozzini are dead.
Bellisima Legatura? I don’t see how anyone could think I was an Honest Citizen. That’s just fucked. So nominating me is just so clearly wrong I can’t explain it unless Bellisima is guilty. And I hate her. But I can’t shake the thought that I’ve been here before, and she wasn’t. Can’t explain it. Not sure why, but if it had been anyone else but her, I’d try to lynch them, and with her I’m just not sure enough.
Dahlia Chelley? She’s odd. I hate her. She’s worth watching. First on my list to lynch if someone has to die and I can’t think of no other fucker to kill. But let’s see if we can do better.
Bernardo? I’m guessing he’s innocent at the moment, because in his confused and incoherent way, he’s really trying to make sense of what people say. Getting it wrong, but trying at least. Which is a shame, as he’s also taking the piss, and on a happier day I’d gladly do the bastard. I hate him.
Harry Tierri? Fuck, I’ve just realised I hate him, too. Look at him, the smug, grinning bastard. Oh, he’s so fucking helpful with his running commentary on the votes, and making unobtrusive little humble contributions, and actually saying a whole lot of fuck all. And gently steering us to a lynching yesterday - which would suggest, if he was a Citizen, that he knew that Senonero and Carlozzini were innocent. It’s not a cast iron case, but fucking Harry is acting just like I’d fucking expect fucking Harry to act if he were a Citizen. Watch him.
Imagiani and Rossi? Hate them. But I thought last night that they were both acting like they were on our side, and I still think they are. Maybe it’s a show, but if so, I don’t see a flaw yet.
Amalia Alto? There’s a thought. She’s done and said nothing since she showed up except to vote against doing anything to find the Citizens. And she’s a fucking turncoat who left the mob, and who by rights should have fucking died then and there like I told Canneloni, but he’s nicer than me and let her live. I hate her. So a slight reason to think her guilty, less reason to think she’s ours, and no fucking reason at all to suppose that she might be any fucking use. I just moved her up ahead of Dahlia on my “kill if nothing better turns up” list.
Silvio Senoero? He’s been quiet, too. And actually, that’s strange, ‘cos usually he’s a mouthy sod. Always wittering on with some inanities, and occasionally coming up with a reasonably bright idea. Recently? Almost nothing. I hate him, but he’s sometimes worth listening too, so I’m inclined to give him a chance. He doesn’t bug me anything like as much as Dahlia.
Amalia’s the obvious one to kill. But I’d mainly be trying to kill her ‘cos she’s deadweight, not really because I had a good reason to think her guilty. I think, actually, Harry Tierri is our best bet. He’s saying just as little, just being a shade louder about it. And there’s a chance that, if he’s guilty, it tells us a bit about his attitude to Senonero, but doing Alto’d tell us nothing either way.
Yeah. Tierri it is. Hate him.
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So why not me, then?
First, like I said to Imagiani, it’d don’t make sense. I came up with a plan which, if the cop had lived, made us more likely to win. That’s just fact. So either I did that because I wanted us to be more likely to win, or because I didn’t, but I knew I could take out the cop inside two nights. I’m innocent, or I’m a fucking wizard. Those are your choices.
Second, I spent a fair bit of time and thought explaining to dumb-as-mud Bernardo why I’d got Allesandro down as probably innocent. You all saw that, right? But that was time wasted, because he then fucking died, and, yeah, turned out to be innocent.
Now ask yourselves, am I so sly that if I were a Citizen, I’d come up with some argument proving one of you innocent, then deliberately target him to prove I was on the right lines?
Answer: Of fucking course I am. I’d obviously be doing that sort of shit. You can be sure of that.
And, just as certain, if I’m not a Citizen, I’m going to be thinking about who’s innocent and who isn’t, and sometimes I might get it right.
So that proves nothing, you think? Look again.
Look at the timing. I said that stuff about Literati two minutes, TWO FUCKING MINUTES, before we found his body. If I’d been a bit slower, or God had nudged us a bit faster, my explanation would have looked about as lame as Literati was when that slicer had got up to his knees.
So, yeah, I’m cunning enough to argue that someone I’m about to kill is innocent, but if I’m going to do that, you can be fucking sure I’ll make sure my explanation isn’t wasted. If I’m guilty, I’ll ‘prove’ the bastard innocent, then do him. I’m not going to kill first, and then construct my cover story knowing that the body could be found at any time and my concocted proof of innocence is going to be lost. I’m not going to come up with something and then risk not being able to use it.
That’s going to be hard for most of you fuckers to follow, so here’s the summary. My thoughts about Allessandro were EITHER a genuine attempt by one of the mob to solve the case, OR a cover story by one of the Honest Citizens. If it was a cover, it wouldn’t have been timed so precariously. Therefore it’s likely to be genuine.
Add that to what I was trying to do with my plan, and you can be pretty fucking sure that the Honest Citizens don’t include me.
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My goodness, Shorty, you do have interesting dreams. Perhaps you need to give up the late night cheeze pizzas. Actually, the only reason I wanted to hear what you had to say for yourself is to prove I am not, at this point in time, as far as I am aware, in league with anyone. But Lord, how I love to hear you talk. It's almost as masterful as your knifework.
There's some poultry ready for carving - would you mind? It needs a delicate touch. And I agree with you about Harry, by the way. But then, just about everyone in the room is suspicious in one way or another.
Mr.Grigio, would you mind telling me if by nominating, I have also voted; or do we now have a nomination phase separate from a voting phase?
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Mr.Grigio, would you mind telling me if by nominating, I have also voted; or do we now have a nomination phase separate from a voting phase?
We're still in a nomination phase for the next eight hours or so. After that it's voting. Those who have been nominated may wish to defend themselves before that happens.
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Bellisima Legatura? I don’t see how anyone could think I was an Honest Citizen. That’s just fucked. So nominating me is just so clearly wrong I can’t explain it unless Bellisima is guilty. And I hate her. But I can’t shake the thought that I’ve been here before, and she wasn’t. Can’t explain it. Not sure why, but if it had been anyone else but her, I’d try to lynch them, and with her I’m just not sure enough.
Dahlia couldn't shake off her lingering suspicions about the caterer. But Eliabeone's thoughts on Legatura seemed a bit puzzling - anyone else but her lynching you and you'd have gone for them? I'm not convinced you're in league with each other (though it's not impossible) but why else would you say you'd go for a lynching and then not "because it's her"? (Though that unconvinced feeling may just reflect the similar one I have about 'Tierri' at the moment (see below) - suspicious but not quite enough yet.)
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Dahlia Chelley? She’s odd. I hate her. She’s worth watching. First on my list to lynch if someone has to die and I can’t think of no other fucker to kill. But let’s see if we can do better.
I seem to have got myself a target, it seems just by throwing in an alternative suggestion early on to shake things up a bit because of alternative suspicions. But if you're trying to keep that fingernail hold on keeping citizens alive then it's a good thing you put others higher up the lynching list.
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Harry Tierri? Fuck, I’ve just realised I hate him, too. Look at him, the smug, grinning bastard. Oh, he’s so fucking helpful with his running commentary on the votes, and making unobtrusive little humble contributions, and actually saying a whole lot of fuck all. And gently steering us to a lynching yesterday - which would suggest, if he was a Citizen, that he knew that Senonero and Carlozzini were innocent. It’s not a cast iron case, but fucking Harry is acting just like I’d fucking expect fucking Harry to act if he were a Citizen. Watch him.
I'd also wondered about him, though partly it has to be said, in response to this earlier:
"I've been trying to make sense of Dahlia's vote. The only sensible explanation I can think of is this: she wanted to make it look like she had it in for Bellisima without actually endangering her. Why would someone want to do that? Because they were actually in league but didn't want anyone to spot that.
The more I think about it, the more that explains. Bellisima plays pretty unobtrusively, agreeing with Eliabone even though his optimistic view of the rationality of human nature was rearing its head again to get the scent off her. Dahlia plays in an aggressive way, simultaneously making herself a target and putting distance between herself and B. If she's done in, Bellisima then has a pretty safe ride through to the end-game and can win.
I might be reading too much into a move that was simply poorly thought out -- sometimes there just isn't a sensible explanation for what people do, but that's the best a humble accountant can come up with right now."
I answered that accusation earlier, but an attack on anyone who knows they're innocent does tend to result in the innocent wondering about the attacker! (Though given Eliabeone's attacks on me I'm not sure why I'm not shouting for a lynching there? I suppose it could be a double bluff on his part - be so in-your-face violent that we can't possibly think he's one of the actual violent ones!?)
My intention isn't just to split the nominations - I know we need to get rid of an Honest Citizen quite urgently but I don't feel inclined to go for Eliabeone (Bellisima Legatura's nomination), I could possibly go along with Eliabeone's Tierri nomination in self-defence, but I still have bigger doubts about that caterer so am going to stick with Bellisima Legatura and hope that the other citizens will at least consider her.
[OOC: Am I right in thinking these suggestions are for nominations pre-voting and not the vote stage itself? And once all nominations are received that a voting period will start? [/OOC]
Crossposted with the answer to that one!
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why else would you say you'd go for a lynching and then not "because it's her"?
I can't explain it. Seriously. It's like a weird dream I had. A weird dream in which Bellisima does this sort of thing, accusing me, and I'm utterly convinced she's guilty because it makes no fucking sense as I'm so clearly nice and likeable, but it turns out that she's not guilty at all.
Go on, fucking laugh if you want, but you don't get to be a Class 1, Grade A, don't-fuck-with-me psychotic without taking account of this stuff.
If the words "Limbo" and "Valley of the Kings" mean anything to you, they were in my dream as well.
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So, I guess I was probably wrong about Dahlia and Bellisima being in league, unless this is a seriously gutsy move. I'm still not completely ruling that out, as Bellisima does have a definite reckless streak in her. I don't feel like I know Dahlia well enough to work out whether or not she'd go along with something like that if Bellisima suggested it.
I know I'm innocent* and I rather suspect Eliabone is too. The timing of his post about Literati is either a brilliant risky play by an Honest Citizen that paid off or actually evidence of what it looks like. Of course, I wouldn't rule out either guts or brilliance from the dwarf (no one whose met him could ever ignore his guts...), but he's not someone I'd particularly like to vote for this round.
As for myself, I don't really see that anyone's offered a good argument for lynching me. Because I'm helpful? Whatever. As for not having contributed much of substance, I did spend a while thinking about Dahlia's first round vote and sharing my thoughts. I may well have been wrong, but I've always been of the opinion that while people are reasoning out loud, you keep them alive until they say something incriminating. As for steering us towards a lynching, I find it strange that my nominator is holding that against me given that he did the exact same thing.
Of the nominees, I think Bellisima is the only sensible vote. Am I sure she's an Honest Citizen? Not at all. But her play seems erratic. Eliabone's dreams suggest this is normal for her. Maybe. It's also possible that she's getting too confused about what lie she's meant to be playing.
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* or whatever we're calling it. "Faithful to the family" is a good phrase, for which I unfortunately have to thank my nominator.
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Mr Grigio has decided that that's quite enough and declared the nominations phase over.
Nominated for mob justice:
Antonio Eliabeone (alias Eliab)
Bellisima Legatura (alias Banner Lady)
Harry Tierri (alias Hart)
And, last but not least, No lynching (alias See whether the vigilante does anything)
Everyone else can breathe easily until nightfall.
Ladies and gentlemen and none of the above, your votes please. As before, if there's any chance of ambiguity, put your vote in bold. The management accept no responsibility for misinterpretation of your intentions. The management's decision is final.
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Amico made up his mind: Time to be bold! After failing to do his duty the previous day, now was the time to step up to the plate, take the bull by the horns, and hit the ground running.
"I know that I was suspicious of the dwarf (and honestly, I still am), but to me, right now, given the evidence that we have to go on, the case against the other two nominees appears to be stronger. Both cast votes for Carlozinni at key times when the ballot could have swayed to another candidate. This is the primary evidence in my opinion. In fact, I would suspect that if one of them turns out to be guilty, then the other will be also: I suspect them of collusion. Therefore, I do not mind which of them we go for today, but we must lynch one of them. With my cards on the table, my colors nailed to the mast, and my course set, I vote for Bellisima Legatura."
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Both cast votes for Carlozinni at key times when the ballot could have swayed to another candidate.
Something that you have said you would also have done. I admire your honesty, but that doesn't stop me using it against you. I wonder what your real reason is?
That said, you're not up for nomination (this time), so that speculation will have to wait. As I understand it, we have all weekend for this vote. I'll say now that my current intention is to vote for Bella, but I would be open to arguments to the contrary (towards any conclusion except lynching myself). I'll vote in about 26 hours time due to travel commitments.
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I wonder what your real reason is?
"I can answer that question right now, to save you the hassle of having to nominate me later. The comment two which you refer was made under the assumption that I would have been the last person to vote that day. Earlier I had stated that I thought we should lynch someone because of the information that this garners. So, if voting last, I would have had a choice between hanging the vote, and hanging the man (so to speak). I would have chosen the latter for what I now hope is an obvious reason.
"In contrast, yourself and Ms Legatura voted much earlier, when there was still the possibility for several people to be lynched. This means that you chose Carlozinni above other people -- a different choice from the one I would have faced if voting last."
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All I can say in my defence is that if you lynch me, you will have done away with another innocent and the odds of the real villains winning will be exponentially greater. Eliabeone is right in saying I do things my own way, and am not always easy to read. It comes from spending long hours on my own, talking to the food, coaxing it into ever more delicious combinations.
But if you've all had enough of my cooking, so be it. Someone else may possibly make a better Tiramisu, but I doubt it.
Therefore I will not be voting for Eliabeone, or myself. So it has to be Harry Tieri.
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I believe that that really is the best defense you can give. Therefore, I cast my vote for Bellisima.
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The death of Allesandro Literati and the ensuing silence both surprised Bernardo. Was there any specific motivation behind this murder? For some reason, the pair with probably the most experience of crime, the Judge and the Dwarf, had been left alive. That could be a sign, but it could also be a feint so as to have them taken out by united effort.
Bernardo was not the least bit convinced by the Dwarf's pretensions, and noted that he was lucky to have gotten such a good alibi, from the notion that no one could be so lucky as a Citizen as to find the dirty cop instantly. However, how much unluck does it take to make a Citizen? Bernardo wasn't sure, but he did know he wouldn't trust the Dwarf's empty skull as a brush stand; nor as a device for catching Honest people. His alibi was rather weak when you looked at it, surely nothing that couldn't be faked. And the foolproof method as proof of innocence for the foolish dwarf? Flaws had already been pointed out. The plan was made out of thin air; Antonio's head, that was.
Either way, he felt this chase was headed the wrong way. Crazy methods were put up in a situation where little proof was to be found. No one seemed to plan ahead or look for deeper patterns. The talkative were running few. Bellisima was the most talked-about of the nominated, and Bernardo decided that this would point to several interesting facts: Eliabeone's reasons for defending her, Dahlia's aggressions, Harry's aggressions. If she was found to be a Citizen, that would explain a lot. If she was non-fraticidal, new ends would be revealed from this. Controversy causes creative discoveries, Bernardo has always known, especially when it came to morally dubious laboratorial exercises.
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Dahlia had been on her feet all day and was too weary to say much - perhaps after a nice cuppa she'd be able to formulate some more thoughts? For the time being she would just add her lingering concerns about Bellisima Legatura.
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Mr Grigio looks at the voting so far.
Harry Tierri: one vote.
Bellisima Legatura: four votes.
No lynching: none
Antonio Eliabeone: none.
Undecided: four.
Mr Grigio finds that he didn't specify a deadline when he opened the voting. He does so now. The four of you who are undecided - that's Rossi, Eliabeone, Alto, and Senonero have thirty six hours to get on with it.
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Senonero is rather in haste - all this moving between three cities eats up a lot of his time. At least with all the train delays the country feels so much larger!
Looks like the voting is almost decided but he could not remember what the reasons were for Bellissima's guilt. Can't have been all that convincing to his quickly skimming eye.
But he votes for Eliabeone.
Why? Reading his elaborate fool-proof plans takes up too much time and in his experience their logic is less impressive than the swearing and cursing they are imbued with. Their quality as usual resembles Baldrick's "cunning plans" (although lynching the detective was exceptionally cunning even by his standards).
Do bad "plans" in themselves make him suspicious? Not more than others, but it makes him dangerous for the Mafia. Humans, in Senonero's experience are easily influenced by nonsense self-confidently put forward.
Admittedly Senonero had no better plans to offer but trusts that after a while voting patterns will emerge. Unless everybody votes for the same victim - which is another reason not to vote for Bellissima.
PS: There was one tiny detail which made me stop and frown in my quick reading.
At some point Eliabeone admitted that he wanted to put someone up for lynching for nominating him. But such blatant vengefulness is obviously irrational and does not sit well with his self-portrayal as the Mafioso of impartial, rational logic. And so that little remark CAN be read as an excuse/explication for a later nomination of that person (doing it immediately might have been too obvious).
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So, right now it is possible for Bellisima to be saved (by the remaining three voters either all voting for me or all voting for Eliabone), but it is not possible for any-one else to be lynched. A vote for her guarantees her death.
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I am afraid that is not the case, Harry. Senonero signed Bellisima's trip into the great beyond. We're the mafia, indecisiveness, i.e. a tie between two candidates, just aggravates us so much that we take out them both. New policy, instated by the Don just before his death. If all the remaining votes fall on either you or Shorty, there will be two casualties today. I have a guillotine designed for pressuring Siegfrid and Roy which the Don needed to a couple of years ago, that could do the job. Works excellent for tigers, at least.
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Not so.
The maths are in fact basic enough for even a poor Ladinic farmer cum refugee like Senonero.
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There will be no lynching either if No lynching gets as many or more votes than anybody else, or else if there is a tie for the highest number of votes.
I understand this means that whoever wants no lynching (or save the lady) this round must vote Eliabeone now to create tie. I had not thought of it last night, but once a player has accumulated half of all remaining votes (i.e. four in this round) they are dead unless all the rest rally behind the same other vote (player or "no lynching").
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The judge has been busy this weekend and now finds herself in an interesting voting situation...
Ok, so the caterer is already doomed (do you think we can make her serve the desert before the end?) - question is, do we want to go for the big maxi economy pack of concrete and make an efficiency saving by offing two people in one go?
Barring something very odd happening, Eliabeone is not going to vote for himself, so he's safe as far as I can tell. I still think he's probably innocent anyway. You can never discount the possibility that he's playing a colossal bluff, but if he is, he's living extremely dangerously. I never thought his plan was as watertight as he said, and I think a fair amount of what's going on with him can be attributed to chance - if lynching the detective was not planned, then I'm not sure announcing the victim's innocence 2 minutes before he's found dead can be cunning either. After all, Eliabeone couldn't know for sure when the death would be announced, could he? OTOH he's safe so this is all academic anyway.
Which leaves Harry Tierri. AFAICT it's only worth making a second lynch if the evidence against him is at least as good as the case against the caterer. If he's guilty, he should obviously be taken out, but if he isn't then we just help the Honest Citizens by giving them two corpses instead of one. All depends on how much we trust Eliabeone's nose. Assuming Tiny is innocent, he does indeed have a fine-tuned sense of smell, but the case as such is not built on much and as I said about his master "how to defeat the killers" plan, he is frequently overconfident. Eliabeone also made the accusation because he was the sole candidate for mob-style justice, so he had to accuse someone.
The caterer OTOH has been behaving in a way I really can't make sense of - says she has her own reasons, but I can't for the life of me work out what they are, agreeing with Tiny, then putting him up for lynching, then voting for his candidate, and all the while bumbling about with the catering and not contributing to the analysis. I think I have to play it safe. Belissima Legatura.
[x-post - apparently Silvio and I don't understand the rules the same way - I thought it worked the same way as JFH did]
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Mr Grigio would like to clarify that Senonero and Harry are correct, and Rossi and Bernardo are mistaken. A tie results in No lynching. Not even the mafia are prepared to lynch two of their number on the same day.
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You do not need to achieve a majority to lynch somebody. You don't have scruples about killing people; you're the mafia. The person with the most votes gets it. There will be no lynching either if No lynching gets as many or more votes than anybody else, or else if there is a tie for the highest number of votes.
It seems even the greatest of artists can sometimes mistakenly add a mustache to the holy Mother. I overinterpreted the first lines, it seems. Mea culpa.
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Mr Grigio thinks that the results are practically decided; so he's cutting a bit off the voting period. Alto and Eliabeone have another twelve hours to cast their votes if they choose to do so.
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But such blatant vengefulness is obviously irrational and does not sit well with his self-portrayal as the Mafioso of impartial, rational logic.
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
You've got me confused with some other cunt. This is the fucking Canellonni mob. Disproportionate and irrational vengeance is what we do here.
It's no secret that if you try to fuck me, I'll want to see you dead. I'm quite prepared to use that, or the fact that I just don't like you very much (and I don't, by the way, in case you were feeling too comfy) as a reason to kill you if I can't think of a better. I'm obviously going to give preference to killing people like the Honest Citizens who actively want me dead. While those bastards are still alive, I'm not going to waste someone I know to be loyal unless they really get on my cock, but that's as far as it goes. Balls to impartial, rational logic.
So it looks like we've decided to kill Bellisima. Pity, ‘cos I'm now almost certain she's innocent.
Why? She's a team player. Maybe our team, maybe theirs, but she'll go for the team win at all costs. So if she's guilty, and she sees, as she must have done, that she's about to have her card stamped, she'll use it.
How? Make damned sure it's an accomplice that pulls the trigger, to set up a cover. Or (if her accomplice has voted already) then claim to be the bodyguard, and at least force the real guard to break cover.
I suppose Rossi might be that accomplice, but I doubt it. I think our cook is checking out quietly, because she's on our side, and has no tricks that she wants to pull.
I hope I'm wrong, and we just nailed a Citizen, but it doesn't look likely to me. If I'm right, I want each and every one of you who made the wrong call (and that includes you, Senonero, I'm not leaving you out) to know that I fucking hate you.
Since it makes no fucking difference how I vote, I'll repeat that Harry was still my best guess for today. Not that it matters now.
Someone pass me a knife and let's get this over with.
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Judge Rossi is the one not making sense here with all this over-analyzing, and precious little regard for the fact that I have to have one eye on the kitchen at all times. She is making far more spaghetti than I ever have.
I truly don't mind if you lynch me. The villains are doing a fine job of eliminating the ordinary citizens, but if you ARE an ordinary citizen, then wiping me out is going to leave you even more unprotected, and considerably less well fed. So be it.
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Alto can tell us how she would have voted if she chooses, Mr Grigio announces. Voting is over.
Antonio Eliabeone has one vote, Harry Tierri has two votes, and Bellisima Legatura has five. Bellisima is therefore for it, by a landslide. She was a loyal mafiosa (citizen).
With that, Mr Grigio heads off before the last of the salmon disappears. With Mr Literati's delicatessen and Ms Legatura's catering both closed for the foreseeable future, the food round here, he reflects, will be much poorer.
Will those with night actions (that's the Honest Citizens and the bodyguard) please let me know what you're doing.
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For some reason, the pair with probably the most experience of crime, the Judge and the Dwarf, had been left alive.
I've been thinking about this since you posted it. Here's my best guess at an explanation: the Honest Citizens are looking to get rid of the remaining special roles (vigilante and doctor), having made a (right or wrong) judgment that special roles are more dangerous to them than those who are known for their analytical skills.
Assuming that they're in league doesn't seem to explain any data to me, but the above does, so I'm happy to go with it until I get new evidence or someone comes up with a better explanation.
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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Eliabeone is right in saying I do things my own way, and am not always easy to read. It comes from spending long hours on my own, talking to the food, coaxing it into ever more delicious combinations.
But if you've all had enough of my cooking, so be it. Someone else may possibly make a better Tiramisu, but I doubt it.
Therefore I will not be voting for Eliabeone, or myself...
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I can assure you I am not working a tag team with the florist, Mr. Tieri. In fact, I rather resent her late nomination of me to try to draw some votes away from Carlozinni. I am still trying to make up my mind what that says about her, and I don't mind at all if the dwarf makes her his next knife sculpture. I will happily supply the calamari and chips to keep his strength up.
After Eliabeone's early attacks on me, Bellisima's apparent defences of him seemed suspicious. As a citizen then she presumably didn't have any specific knowledge of anyone else but that wasn't always clear!
(And the fact that she was happy to let him make me his next knife sculpture didn't reinforce her citizen status to me!)
[ 27. September 2011, 05:43: Message edited by: Chelley ]
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