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Lamb Chopped
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Another thing you can do in the meantime--list your chosen references, complete with direct phone number, on your resume itself. I know this isn't usually done, but if sheer laziness is driving people to use the phone directory approach, offering them an even easier/lazier approach might get them to the proper people--and not the asshole.

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Geneviève

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What I've usually done on my CV's is put References Supplied upon Request at the end. Then I get the requests and I give the names of people who have already agreed to be references. Maybe it works differently if an agent is representing you.

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Telepath
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If they were going to HR, they would be getting the account managers. I don't think they are the ones who would be likely to misrepresent me.

I suppose it's imaginable that they are passing requests on to my line manager, who proceeds to slag me off, and HR are not bothering to check. I guess anything's possible.

Again, they could also be just phoning up and asking for the "Soandso Team", getting my line manager, and listening to him slag me off with impunity over the telephone.

I had been listing my references right on my CV, but it was pointed out to me that it looks suspicious as one of them is an agent and therefore doesn't appear to have anything to do with the company I worked for.

I've been getting far more interviews since I took them off and replaced them with "references supplied on request".

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Telepath
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Well, maybe it is time to borrow some more money and do a reference check. So far I've only found agencies that work for HR departments, though. Won't it look suspicious my doing a reference check on myself?

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There are agencies you can hire to perform a reference check on you, but they charge about $80 - $100, around here. Still, might be worth looking into.

On the other hand, here's what happened with my last three jobs:

1) References never checked.
2) One of my three references was called. I'm guessing she gave such a glowing report that they decided to not bother phoning the other two.
3) One of my references was called, but when she returned the phone call, they'd already extended the job offer.

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Lamb Chopped
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Well, if you're getting the interviews, any slagging off is likely to be afterward. Maybe bring a sheet with the info to your interview? (you can also briefly explain about the agent)

Truly, though, you don't need to hire someone--a friend who is willing to pose as a potential employer can do it, provided said person can be both professional and persistent. I paid Allison and Taylor's (on-line--they exist to do exactly this kind of work) but the kind friend option is free. Just get a tape recording (if legal) or at least a detailed written report.

The last two jobs I've gotten have been with the help of somebody "on the inside"--or at least known to the hiring person. I think maybe people are more casual about the reference check when there's a known living breathing body mentioning your name. But this involves a ton of networking.

This may sound ridiculous, but could you maybe get your foot in the door by offering to do an assignment on a "try out" basis? At the very least you'd stick out of the crowd.

Is there anybody at your old job who would be willing to pick up the phone and call a few colleagues on your behalf--dropping the word around, so to speak? Or at least send an email?

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The process for these administrative specialist, executive assistant typejobs I'm looking at tends to involve supplying references in the initial application process.

Since the company that recently laid me off has definitely re-hired the young blonde they'd fired right before I was hired, and she'd be the first contact and main person to forward calls or messages to my boss... it is interesting to think of the trouble she could cause, there.

I have no reason to think she would. But the whole group treated me with all the warmth and consideration of snakes, in the end. I need to come up with a good confident friend to check all my references.

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Okay, from what I've been able to find so far, a basic check would cost around USD 300.00 or more. That's about three weeks' income, or three days' expenses, for me right now. You also have to sign a release permitting disclosure of your information to third parties. Since the reference checking companies are aimed at HR departments, rather than individuals checking their own references, this makes me nervous; I think the likelihood of having my cover blown is quite high.

So I think, if it comes to that, I might get a friend to check up. I completely trust the agent-before-last and my academic supervisor, and my line manager is the only person at the old place who would likely give me a bad reference. And if he did, he would most likely be doing it clandestinely, and get into a lot of trouble if he were caught.

I've read some guides for hiring managers on how to check out references. Many of them insist you should ignore references given to you by the candidate, since those are obviously going to be good. The advice is to go straight to the candidate's line manager, and make sure you do it over the phone, because people are more uninhibited over the phone than in writing.

So I've been thinking about the possible ways in which someone might succeed, if they tried this. I don't think it's impossible that they could read my department name, call up my old company, and ask to speak to the manager of that team. If they got through to my line manager, and there were no-one around or he otherwise thought he could get away with it, the weasel might make the most of the opportunity to slag me off.

I phoned my bestest ex-workmate and mulled it over with him. He agrees that it's unlikely, though not impossible, and that certainly no-one else there would speak ill of me. He thinks it's more likely I would get through to the department manager, who would either pass the buck to HR or speak highly of me.

Anyway, I've taken the obvious first step of removing the department name from my CV. It's not like it's particularly important information, anyway. That way, the one imaginable direct path to the telephone of my weaselly line manager is blocked.

As for an assignment on a "try out" basis - it's an idea, and it is effectively what I did between the first and second interviews at that place that then decided to freeze hiring in the UK. I did however manage to impress them a great deal, but the idea of doing the task came from them and didn't involve any form of deliverable. If I offered to do it myself, I would lay myself open to exploitation, and I also run the risk of looking desperate. I am desperate, of course, but that does not mean that looking that way will increase my chances of finding gainful employment.

Networking through my old job probably isn't going to lead anywhere, since all of my colleagues' colleagues there will be people working at my old job. AFAICT the place is something of a tar pit for a lot of people besides just me. The HR rep, as part of my kicking-out process, phoned around a lot of other recruitment consultancies and introduced me, but none of them ever returned my calls and when I finally did get them, they made it clear that they were not interested in helping me. She was pretty shocked and disgusted by their reactions, but then she was also unfamiliar with the ways of the IT recruiter.

Anyhoo. I haven't yet been turned down for a second interview for the job I went for yesterday. (Not yet.) And I have another one on September 3rd. I also may have a phone interview on Tuesday at 11, though the agent in question is someone I don't trust, and he also hasn't let me know the name of the person I'd be talking to much less confirmed the appointment.

Oy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Another thing you can do in the meantime--list your chosen references, complete with direct phone number, on your resume itself. I know this isn't usually done, but if sheer laziness is driving people to use the phone directory approach, offering them an even easier/lazier approach might get them to the proper people--and not the asshole.

I have a separate page for references that I bring to interviews. There are so many references I have and so many jobs I would like to showcase that I do not have room on my resume. I want to keep my actual resume down to one page. I remember when I was an interviewer at one job, I appreciated it when people provided references up front and kept their resume down to a page. They usually do not spend a whole lot of time on the actual reading of the resume, so I try to make the space count.

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Beautiful Dreamer
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Sorry for the double post, but I have a situation I think you all might have insight on.

In 2005, I got into a really bad car wreck and broke my pelvis. Between rehab and recovery, I could not work for seven months. So there is a big gap on my resume. I got advice to put a line in the resume about the accident to explain the gap, and since I did that I have gotten more interviews. But I went on an interview with a recruiter at an agency on Friday, and she told me to take it off because personal information does not belong on a resume. She suggested writing a separate note (not my cover letter) explaining the gap. Is this considered proper at all? I can see it if I am emailing my resume or actually at the interview, but a lot of the jobs I have interviewed for I found on internet job sites like Monster, and they do not have any way to attach an extra note aside from a cover letter. Should the gap explanation be in my cover letter? I am afraid that if I do nothing or if I am unable to include information about the gap, that employers will just pass me over, as they did before I put the line in my resume to begin with. What would you all do if you had this situation?

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One approach would be to say nothing about it, if you can gloss over it by leaving out the exact date when you started or finished a job.

The drawback with this approach is that many recruiters would consider it deceptive. That strikes me as unfair, since as this other person has said, it's really more like personal information than something actually relevant to your career. But there it is.

Another approach would be simply to leave the line in. You say you've been getting interviews since you put the line in. What are you going to listen to, your own actual experience, or advice from someone who won't be personally affected if you follow that advice? (You should apply this filter to my advice, too, BTW.)

Finally, you could just take the line out and see if it gets you different results this time.

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Wow, I find that odd that a 7 month lag would keep you from getting interviews. There could be many plausible--like yours--reasons why someone was out of work for 7 months. A gap of a year or two is more noticeable, I would think.
At any rate, if your change in your resume is working, I agree with Telepath that it is your call.

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Beautiful Dreamer
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I also have a small gap of about three months where I moved to Georgia from North Carolina. But that is easily explained and glossed over by saying the reason I moved here-to get married.

I sometimes feel as though I am being punished for having the accident. As though employers think I shouldn't have taken the time off, but I really had no choice. I was in the hospital for a month, and recovery and rehab was pretty tough. I look like a flake for having had short-term jobs since I moved to Georgia, and some employers must think I am too great a risk. I guess I have to learn how to spin that correctly. I have to get the interview first, though.

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Finally, in my resume I dated the gap and put:
"Remarried, three housemoves + hospitalization for spinal surgery."
for me , it always prompted further questions from the prospective hirer.
Usually just clarification that I was physically capable of their work and been declared fit to work by the Doctors.

One agency quibbled, but thinking back, they quibbled about everything and annoyed the life out of me anyway!

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I'd definitely keep some sort of explanation in unless there's an appropriate cover letter.
Indeed it's personal information, but unfortunately many offices will indeed consider that their business, so you may as well tell them as have them wonder.

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I hate application forms. Ok, so I shouldn't have left it until 3 days before the deadline to start the form when I've had all month to do it but I've had so many things on but evidence booklets are evil!

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Beautiful Dreamer
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On some job websites, I have an explanation in my cover letter about the gap. On the sites that allow extra files to be attached, I usually attach a quick note explaining the gap, as well as bringing that note to any interviews. I don't know if anyone actually *reads* the note, but I just started including it. I guess time will tell.

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ken
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A quick note about references. It depends on the emplyer. The large US company I worked for once upon a time paid more or less no attention to them. They were really an id check, nothing more. Did this person in fact work for you for that time? The theory was that you could never believe any character assessment in a reference anyway, good or bad.

In education my experience has been very different - they not only pay attention to references but sometimes they make informal phone calls to previous employers.

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ken
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quote:
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A quick note about references. It depends on the employer....

I'm not saying that's a general difference between business and education (though it might be) just that organisations differ.

As for gaps, when I got made redundant a few years ago we were specifically advised by various consultants to account for all our time on the CV. They said that suspicious employers sometimes assumed that gaps meant something like time in prison.

"Unable to work due to injury" sounds very acceptable, as long as you are healthy enough now to do the job you are applying for. But just taking time off was (they said) perfectly acceptable these days. In fact if you can point to some interesting or useful experience or skill gained in time not in employment some recruiters actually like it.

Or so we were told.

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I've had a weird one. I had a phone interview a couple of weeks back, and got a call the next day saying I'd given "very strong answers", and that they'd be calling me in for aptitude testing.

Then, at the end of last week (only picked it up after Greenbelt, during which period I had informed them I would be unavailable due to work), I got an e-mail saying my skills and experience did not fit the post, and they would not be taking the application forward.

This is confusing enough. What's more confusing is that the job I was doing THIS TIME LAST YEAR is essentially the entireity of the post I applied for (albeit in a different company), so I really don't think the "skills and experience" thing washes - my boss in that company was very happy with my work, we achieved increasingly difficult targets and implemented changes smoothly. If it hadn't been for the fact I was maternity cover, I'd be there now!

Any ideas what could have changed between the phone call and e-mail?

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I think they didn't pay any attention to what you said about not being available, couldn't get hold of you, couldn't be bothered waiting, and so picked someone else.

The opportunity to insult you in the process is more like the icing on the cake for them, rather than a genuine critique.

It is simply very, very, very difficult to get hired and very, very, very easy to get rejected. That's all.

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Okay, I guess my bitter and twistedness is showing through.

I doubt that they actively enjoyed insulting you. This does however sound like you were rejected for some reason so arbitrary and insubstantial that they can't tell you what it is. Maybe they meant to hire you but they dialled someone else's number but hired them by mistake. Maybe you have better hair than the hiring manager and she can't stand it.

This whole thing has a whiff of WHATEVER about it, though I appreciate that you won't be feeling very WHATEVER, more like [Confused] [Waterworks] and [brick wall]

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Or, unfortunately, it could be (as someone posted on a Hell thread I think) that you were cover so that the process looked open when actually the position had been promised already. [Frown]

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OK, checking back in to report that I've worked (Yay!) for two days.
Now, granted. this may not be massive for many people, but for me it is.

I managed to
*find an agency to take me on,
* it paid for my CRB, which Has come through,
* and I shall have money in my bank account by the end of next week.

Considering I hadn't been in paid employment for two years this is fantastic and I am very happy.

Now, back to praying for you guys.....

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An answer - sort of...
apparently, the posts have been temporarily withdrawn - why, deponent sayeth not.

The e-mail was a system generated one, not very appropriate, and they've had quite a few candidates ringing them up to ask what's going on. Apparently they will contact me when posts re-open, as I am still a "strong candidate" - whatever that means.

This means 1 of 2 things:
either they couldn't organise a bun-fight in a bakery, and I should have nothing to do with them, or
they really need me to work there and sort them out a bit - it is a communications post I'm going for, after all...

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Concerning the car accident, my two cents:

I'd date it in the resume, write "car accident, now completely recovered" and be done with it. They don't need to know you had surgery, rehab or anything else. All they need is to know that a) the gap had a good reason, and b) the reason is not likely to recur. (Now "skydiving accident" would be another matter!)

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I agree with lambchopped! I think the recruiter you spoke to was wrong.

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Hello folks,

please pray for me as I am currently applying for jobs in the field I'm interested in and I'm trying to stay motivated and to keep going. I seem to be in the graduate trap of not having the years of experience in some very specific field that employers seem to demand these days.

I've had some interviews and some other interest from other organisations, but I just really need the encouragement to keep going and applying for more things, and I also need prayer so that I can find the right job to do as well.

Peace,
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You're on the right thread, OCV. People post about their job search journeys and others support them. We all have been/will be in that difficult situation.

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If it's any help, just remember that jobhunting is nothing but a process of rejection, until it ends.

Oh, by the way, please pray that one of the three jobs I've been interviewing for comes through, and soon. Please, let the ONLY reason for failure be that the job wasn't right for me.

If I'm to reach the end of another week with more rejections, please pray that other things rush in to take their place, and also that I maintain patience and faith and cool.

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Thanks for the kind words, I'll keep people updated with my job applications process. I'm back living at home again for the moment, which relieves a fair amount of pressure and my folks want me to concentrate on getting the 'right' job.

Will happily pray for you, Telepath.

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[Votive] For all those looking for work.

and Yay! for EA!

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I am glad to finally be around people who understand how not having a job makes you feel completely useless, and how rejection is very demoralizing. Particularly if they do not even return your calls or give any explanation why they did not hire you. If I knew why I have not been hired in the three months I have been looking, I could fix it. But I have no idea. I was working for a temp agency and was sent back to the agency twice, without having been given a fair chance at the first job and not having any sort of feedback from the second.

It is so frustrating, especially when it seems that other people had their jobs handed to them. Even my husband, who was out of work for six months, is a computer guy so he is in demand, whereas I feel my degree is basically useless. Sometimes I kick myself for not choosing a computer- or math-related major, even though I would be completely miserable and want to kill myself. I already want to kill myself sometimes, but at least then I would have a job.

I feel like a total drain on my husband, even though he says that I am not. We just need the money, and I get depressed if I am left alone in the house all day, every weekday.

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Horatio Harumph
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so a job where the start date is 6th Sept, but closing date for applications is the 12th, is either wrongly printed, OR maybe they want someone to start ASAP because maybe the position had been filled but isnt being taken up?

(yes, this is in education)

what do people think?

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Yes, we do understand!

Has the temp agency shown any inclination to tell you honestly why the clients sent you back?

Several years ago I was laid off from a job due to downsizing in the company. I interviewed all around but was able to land nothing. What rubbed it in even worse was that from my living room window I had a view of the building where my old job was, and could see people going to and coming from work. Really made me feel like dirt.

I had to take my act out of town to get a job, but eventually I did succeed.

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Telepath
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Originally posted by Beautiful_Dreamer:

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But I have no idea. I was working for a temp agency and was sent back to the agency twice, without having been given a fair chance at the first job and not having any sort of feedback from the second.
I would suggest gently but firmly asking for an explanation from the temp agency. Explain that you really want to know what you were doing wrong so you can fix it. Explain how important it is to you that you work to the highest standards. You'll probably impress them and anyway, you've got nothing to lose.

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It is so frustrating, especially when it seems that other people had their jobs handed to them.
Oh yeah. I notice that OTHER people don't have to be perfect in order to make a living, so why do I? Sulk.

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Even my husband, who was out of work for six months, is a computer guy so he is in demand, whereas I feel my degree is basically useless.
Me too. But with a degree in modern languages and another in software engineering, who's gonna look twice at me?

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Sometimes I kick myself for not choosing a computer- or math-related major, even though I would be completely miserable and want to kill myself.
Well, at least you're not miserable about that. And you're no more unemployed than I am. No less, maybe, but no more either.

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I already want to kill myself sometimes, but at least then I would have a job.
I don't think that killing yourself would do much for your job prospects.

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I feel like a total drain on my husband, even though he says that I am not.
I expect he's telling the truth.

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We just need the money, and I get depressed if I am left alone in the house all day, every weekday.
Well, work is a great refuge, I find. Much as I resent having to slog my guts out from morning to night, at least it distracts me from anxiety or gloom. The time you spend looking for work is all you can reasonably do towards improving the family exchequer, and the chores you do around the house are an immediate contribution that prove you are not "a drain".

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Janine

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I had ZIP zero nada worth fooling with in my job search engine agent email report thingies today. All either 'way under my abilities, or needing specific degrees...

Which is just as well, since I had those two water moccasins in my bathroom this morning, and was too irritated and rattled to fill out a bunch of online applications.

I also tried to call the guy who interviewed me right before the weekend, as we has arranged, to let him know if I was going to come to work with him or not.

He was with a customer, so I left a message and sent an email.

The girl who answered the phone was the one he'd told me, at the interview Friday, that he had fired!

What is it with these employers? They interview me -- sometimes they even hire me! -- but they always plot in the back of their minds how they can get back in their clutches the sweet young (usually less expensive) thing they fired before me.

Grrr.

I have heard another company was interested in me -- but the girl handling my file at one of my temp agencies quit. Or was fired. I didn't ask. So the boss/owner calls me to let me know that company is interested in me. They're setting up a workstation/computer etc. for me, she said.

Really? I wonder when the girl was fired ... how long has this company been interested in me? It must be only by my resume, because I don;t even recall going to them for an interview...

Maybe I should go take that girl's job at the temp service. I doubt they pay enough, though. Everybody there, besides the lady who owns the place, is skinny and about 23 and has tattoos.

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Wet Kipper
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can I swell your ranks by one more ?
I finished on friday - redundancy which was announced well in advance, but I didn't look around elswhere just in case something suitable within the company came up before then.

Now trying to be disciplined enough to get myself settled down, properly re-write my CV (last done specifically for an internal position I didn't get) and get myself in with some agencies.

Mind you, I've no idea what I want to do - and thanks to a generous redundancy package don't have any time or money pressures to immediately get going - though this does mean I can make a good decision rather than a hurried one.

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Janine

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Yeah, I need to quit obsessing. I am not in a horrible bad position, job-wise. I'm picking up some money here and there, spouse is working, kids are 3/4 grown and gone, health is reasonable right now...

It's just that drive to succeed that keeps me on-task, I guess, hunting and interviewing and hunting for that just-right job.

This call I got yesterday -- and a follow-up call this morning -- from the owner of one of my temp services --

She still hasn't got all the details. She still doesn't know for sure if it's pre-planned temp-to-hire, or if they just want to keep me as a temp for now. She hasn't even said anything about the pay yet -- because she doesn't know!

I will need to go in to her office to fill out some paperwork and get all the details when she finally has them. I wonder should I just let her trundle along with herself, assuming things, and if/when I see something I don't like when I go in, I'll tell her I don't want the job?

Perhaps the best thing to do would be to stop by even before she irons out all the contract stuff, bringing her my most updated resume with all its details (such as the rate of pay I expect). I did that already, recently, right after I got laid off... but that girl in her office did disappear, so I don't really know if the boss has actually seen my newest info.

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Janine

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Yup. That's about right...

I just got a call from that staffing company; apparently the guy at the big, reputable ocean/oil related company is very interested in me. Just from my resume and on her word, no interview.

Which is as it should be, since I am a dazzingly marvelous executive assistant/office manager type person. [Big Grin]

Except... I suspect his eager interest probably stems from the old information she looked up in my file that said I'd be interested in hearing about even low-paying jobs...

The guy offers as his upper possible pay about what I need to make. That's fine. But given the staffing lady's dismay when I told her that's what I'd need to take the position, I bet she low-balled him. I bet she told him he could "have" me for some ridiculous low amount on the bottom end of his proposed pay range.

All because of my observation, in an interview with her office staff months ago, that I'd like to hear about positions below what I was making... they wrote that up in such a way that she, reading it, thinks I said I'd take positions several dollars an hour less.

Tsk tsk tsk. [Disappointed]

She said she'd call me back if he was happy to pay me what I wanted. I can start tomorrow if he will do that... But whatcha wanna bet I hear nothing from her but dead silence?

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I'd bet money that in a little while people will start realizing how noneasy it is to manage offices. I'm betting that better pay and perhaps even medicore training courses appear. (I'm not an office manager myself, but I do know how much work ours does!)

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Janine

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I just got a call from a lady who wants me to come in for an interview. She saw my resume online and the one part that impressed her enough to mention it was the little blurb I inserted explaining my irregular employment history. (re: the times unemployed had to do with my emphasis on raising my kids).

OK.

She also said my starting salary was a bit higher than she'd been aiming for.

Mmm-hmm.

Well, it doesn't hurt to stop by on my way to my temp job. I need to leave soonish anyway so I can see Grandma at the hospital before I dive into the medical records research.

Hee hee hee. How odd that all my interesting jobs and all my accomplishments didn't exactly stick out in her mind, but my paragraph of "Don't like my odd work history? Get over it, I'm a Mommy" made her call me!

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Thank you for this thread.

I've just finished my MA in political science, and have officially started looking for work. Problem is that I'm in a city that isn't a capital city, so there are few policy/research jobs. Should I look for work in my field, or should I branch out and be more open to different opportunities?

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Interview for the not quite so dream post tomorrow. I'd given up on it. I submitted my application before the deadline in the advert, waited a fortnight for the deadline in the pack to go past and heard nothing and heard nothing. After 10 days I was phoned offering my an interview (just as I was leaving for GB) on the 7th which turned into the 6th when they emailed me the following Thursday. Only heard that dream post got the application because I prodded. Don't know when I'll hear if I made the first cut on that. Horrible form, with evidence booklet and key competencies.

Must check where I need to be. Unfortunately I've been pretty low for the last few weeks which isn't helpful going into a job interview, but we will see.

Carys

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bc_anglican, how much do you want to do something related to your degree? Your first job can set the tone for the rest of your career, so choose carefully.

My interview went startlingly well today... they have to decide whether to take me, with my long commute and high salary requirements, over a cheaper, local person. However, they put that to me in terms of an invitation to explain why I'm worth it.

[Eek!]

Decision within 24 hours. If anyone feels inclined to toss a few prayers into the pool, I'd be much obliged.

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Carys

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quote:
Originally posted by Telepath:
bc_anglican, how much do you want to do something related to your degree? Your first job can set the tone for the rest of your career, so choose carefully.

My interview went startlingly well today... they have to decide whether to take me, with my long commute and high salary requirements, over a cheaper, local person. However, they put that to me in terms of an invitation to explain why I'm worth it.

[Eek!]

Decision within 24 hours. If anyone feels inclined to toss a few prayers into the pool, I'd be much obliged.

Sounds positive. My interview went alright I think. Bilingual as two of the panel weren't Welsh speakers but that's ok. Then two pieces to translate in an hour and a half. Went ok I think. Term Cymru going down was annoying as was Word/CySill hanging up at the end. Decision next week (more people to inteview). Seemed a friendly place and they often bounce ideas off each other which is good.

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Janine

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bc_anglican, can you go ahead and scout jobs headquartered in a capital city or region, with a view toward finding something closer to home -- like, you'd be an outlier of some kind? Working at a regional office?

I met my lady who was impressed with my Mommyness. She showed me around her business, told me its history -- small place, total maybe 5 employees, she's the owner --

She let me try out a piece of technical equipment I'd be using; of course I wasn't up to the level of the lady who'd be training me, but I didn't stink.

I could possibly get the higher end of my pay range, if I do not want insurance thru my job. Which would be good, I bet, since I doubt a really small employer can offer as good a deal as, say, hubby's insurance.

I'll drop some paperwork off to her on my way to the temp job -- I might just get that job today, but how I handle the pay negotiation will be key.

I may or may not keep an interview appointment I have at 2:30, since I wasn't planning to go sell insurance, but heck, I have a license for it, maybe I'll go check out their offer. If I decide against it I will call and beg off, won't just not show up.

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Ethne Alba
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agency dept folded- boss not on hoiday at all.

i'm looking again and have yet another CRB to my name.

bless 'em

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Telepath
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Darn it, EA [Frown]

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Telepath
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I have one good job prospect left.

One thing worries me: in the interview yesterday he said, "Supposing I were to phone up someone in the team you used to work for, your manager or your boss, and I'm not saying I'm going to do this..."

I checked which version of my CV he has, and sure enough, it's the one with my old team name.

I just hope he doesn't end up talking to the psychopath.

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