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Eleanor Jane
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Hi All,

sorry to double post (but no-one else is saying anything!)

Is anyone familiar with Human Resources and able to tell me what qualifications/ experience one might need to get into a Learning and Development role?

I am a secondary English teacher (3 years experience)and have spent the last 2 1/2 years managing volunteers including designing and running and teaching several training courses a year. I minored in Education in my undergrad degree, with a paper in Adult Ed. I'm nearly finished a Masters in Management (with a paper in HR)

Sound convincing? I've applied for a couple of L & D jobs and will see how it goes.

ta,
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My next hurdle in the 'process' is on Thursday afternoon--4 hours of various sorts of screening. I've been advised that it can get fairly nerve-wracking to downright distressing. prayers for this please, thanks.

for everyone seeking [Votive]

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Fingers crossed for all searchers.

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Dear all,

Thank you for your prayers and support - after months of searching, I start a new and very interesting job with an up and coming organisation on Tuesday (6th May). The job pays well, it's in an interesting field for me, and the hours are standard and it's short commute to their office (about 10 minutes by train, plus a bit of walking either side).

It's an absolute answer to prayer and I'm currently going between feeling really excited about it to feeling very scared, but I know God is with me on this.

I wanted to say this as an encouragement to other people who are currently searching. It's taken me months of searching and finishing an internship (with only expenses paid in March and April) to get to where I am at the moment. So, keep chasing for that job, keep going forward and aim for the sort of thing that you want to do.

Best wishes,
Off Centre View

p.s. I can tell people how the new job goes if they would like me to do so.

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neandergirl

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Good onya OCV! Congrats.

And just to re-affirm your statement about continuing to aim for what you want and chasing it: The job I'll be starting in June (fingers crossed for a smooth pre-employment check and visa process) is one I applied for over a year ago. I didn't get it then, but kept in touch by sending an email every month - usually to mark a special (Cinco de Mayo) or silly (talk like a pirate) day. When the position opened up again I was asked to apply and, as my soon-to-be supervisor said when they offered me the job, 'persistence makes things happen'.

[Votive] Fingers crossed for all those searching.

And very belated (apologies for missing it til now) thanks for the good wished Jahlove.

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I have an interview in about an hour [Help] , and another one on Friday. I don't like this game, and I don't want to play any more.
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Good luck rufiki, hope this goes well.

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Fingers crossed for you Rufiki!

edited on account of how it's good to spell names correctly.

[ 07. May 2008, 14:35: Message edited by: neandergirl ]

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ebeth--prayers!! And what the heck is the point of these interviews? to see how fast you'll crack if a terrorist gets hold of you and wants information you supposedly have? Because they can make you go through them? to turn you into a version of them?

Congrats OCV, and do let us know how the job is going!

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oops and congrats Neandergirl as well!
Hang in there rufiki

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Room for one more?

Or at least, possibly. Due to lots of changes in my workplace, I'm pretty sure I will at some point soon be looking for another place of employment. I've really enjoyed doing my job (or at least I used to) but it's starting to feel like it's time to move on.

One problem - My job is so convenient it's going to feel awful trying to find another. I work less than 2 miles from my home, and the hours are really wonderful. One of the reasons that I feel like it's time to leave is that I'll soon be 30, and I feel like I really could be doing better, or at least different. Or at least not taking pay cuts to do twice the work (I know I'm lucky to have a job, but this one has pushed me to near breakdown in the last 6 months).

So, what does a girl with a high school education, who would like as much time at home as possible (no desire to spend more time away from my 6 year old than I already do) and still be able to pay the bills do?

Eeeek!

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Izzy, let me recommend a book I have recommended on this thread before: Soul Work by Lee Richmond. There's more to the title but I can't remember. Paperback, around $15. It is not the detail oriented, highly organized approach of the Parachute revisions--which I found way too complicated and intimidating. What this book does, with lots of exercises (some of which seem very hokey, but are also helpful) to think about your whole life and what you want to do next. It is a visioning book.
You have a job right now, so you have time to dream and vision. Right off, start looking at your assets--don't put yourself down.
Ok, enough of being the know-it-all big sister type. Good luck

[ 15. May 2008, 22:21: Message edited by: Geneviève ]

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How important are information interviews? I just had one with the BC Liquor Branch, and I have one on Friday with a local government.

I also have been sending resumes nonstop to any job where I think I am qualified. Any admin job that is short term and willing to take in someone with little experience.

I'm crossing my fingers, and hoping for the best.

[ 22. May 2008, 03:51: Message edited by: Anglican_Brat ]

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I have a conditional job offer! [Yipee]

There's a light at the end of the tunnel - hang in there all!

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Congratulations, neandergirl and OCV

Hope it works out for you, rufiki

(I've just finished the first of six weeks *training* - more confuzzled than the day I started [Biased] )

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
How important are information interviews? I just had one with the BC Liquor Branch, and I have one on Friday with a local government.

I also have been sending resumes nonstop to any job where I think I am qualified. Any admin job that is short term and willing to take in someone with little experience.

I'm crossing my fingers, and hoping for the best.

They're as important as the interviewer and you make them... a good show at one of those means that you may stick in their mind when it comes to actually interviewing for the job.

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I tend to avoid All Saints, yet here I am, seeking prayer for a job interview on Wednesday. It's a church office position, and I'm not the stereotypical middle-aged female, but do feel well qualified indeed. Any advice on what they might be looking for (yes, I have a job description, but I mean more general stuff - the unmentioned) would also be warmly welcomed.

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Don't avoid All Saints! It's great here....

I'm popping back to say that I have Paid Employment!

It's been a year of voluntary work and in the end I took nothing to do with those voluntary placements [Razz]

But I'm happy - apparently smiling all day- and there's money coming into our bank account, which always helps.
I've been doing this for a month now, everything is settled and looks like runnng for as long as I want it to.

So a Great Big Thank You for messages of support and advice, both on and off boards.

cheers ea

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Yay! and congrats to Rufiki and Ethne Alba!

Good luck Izzybee, ebeth and Alban.

Belated (apologies for that) thanks for the good wishes to Jahlove and Geneviève.

Fingers crossed for all those still seeking.

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Congratualtions, Ethne Alba!

For me - I think I have my answer - find something else as soon as I can. the situation here has gone from wondering if I can keep it together to knowing that I can't, and lately, not even caring. Too many bad things have gone on here for me to be able to pull everything back together.

So the hunt begins! Unfortunately, I'm scheduled to go over to the UK in early July for two weeks, and so it's going to make job hunting pretty hard. How do you even handle that? I can't afford to quit now before I find something else, although a few weeks to get my head together properly would be wonderful. Any advice appreciated - Genvieve, I've ordered the book you recommended, although now I'm in desperate "just find something else" mode it should help me figure out what's up and where I need to be.

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Congrats Ethne Alba!

Izzybee - I don't know how it works over there, but a lot of my application forms had a section to fill in which dates would not be convenient for interviews. Others had a section for "any other information you feel is relevant to your application", where I could write about my availability. If nothing like that is available, or you're just applying with a resumé, you could still mention your trip in the cover letter. I'm sure prospective employers will understand your having other commitments.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alban:
I tend to avoid All Saints, yet here I am, seeking prayer for a job interview on Wednesday. It's a church office position, and I'm not the stereotypical middle-aged female, but do feel well qualified indeed. Any advice on what they might be looking for (yes, I have a job description, but I mean more general stuff - the unmentioned) would also be warmly welcomed.

I know that for us it mattered whether the people were aware of how huge and messy our church was. We cared whether our applicants were neighborhood people too.

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I'm not sure that stereotypes are all that important any more in church administrators/secretaries. What are important IMO/IME are the following:

1) if you will be in a position to be the first person/voice callers/visitors/parish members come in contact with, are you the welcoming sort?

2) Can you keep your mouth shut? Will you keep your nose out of parish issues/conflicts?

3) Do you have the particular skills (eg, office skills) needed?

4) Are you, obviously, presentable in your appearance?

5) Can you handle a job that is likely to be boring/quiet one minute and chaotic the next?

6) Does this position in any way seem like a ministry to you (which does not preclude getting paid decently, benefits, etc., but is about your attitude)?

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Must not counsel....must not counsel. [brick wall]

In Canada, we are heading into another one of the times of the year when job searching is the hardest. Summer is when everything slows down for many work places. (The exception being summer related jobs) Employers take longer to make decisions on everything so there are less job postings and longer times before interviews are set up etc. etc. Conversely, it is one of the best times to do informational interviews as people have a bit more time.

[Votive] for patience for all job seekers

[Votive] for your families and their stress

[Votive] for peace

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Alban
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One hour of talking and being talked to is over. I was more punctual than half the interview panel was able to be, which made for interesting conversation with the two panelists present before the interview proper began, and left me without any questions left when the "any questions" ending arrived. Hope I got it.

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Okay I have an interview Tuesday with BC Assessment, the Property assessment crown corporation in BC.

I'm really nervous, pray for me, on Tuesday.

Cheers
Justin

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Alban
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No job for Alban.

I became suspicious after the time they suggested they would decide by had passed. I finally got the letter (after careful consideration etc.) today.
Disappointed, but relying on God's wisdom and provision.

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Hope it went ok Anglican_Brat
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I spoke today with my Regional Minister (our version of Bishop) and now have my "Search and Call" papers in circulation. There are several congregations open right now. One is a church which I know from previous work in that county. Another is near Moo. (A third is way over between Richmond and Tappahannock, in the middle of no where.)

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For those in the UK interested in moving to work in Canada there is a job fair weekend in Leeds this weekend and next weekend in London. The Leeds events opens at 9.30 - 4.30 at Saville Hall opposite the Royal Armouries. If you want any more info please do not hesitate to PM me.

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I got the job!

I'm moving to Victoria in the next week. My first day is July 7. [Big Grin]

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Congratulations Anglican_Brat. I hope you really enjoy the new job.
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Yay! AB - well done and best of luck!

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Congratulations Anglican Brat

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quote:
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I got the job!

I'm moving to Victoria in the next week. My first day is July 7. [Big Grin]

So when's the shipmeet? I suggest tea at the Empress Hotel. [Big Grin]

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Been reading more than posting on this thread, but I had to post this. I got a job! [Yipee] Well, it's only a verbal agreement so far, since the interview was this morning, and the offer is subject to vetting clearance, but still... [Big Grin]

I've been temping (OK, on long-term contracts) most of the time since summer 2005. This is a great relief.

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Congratulations Anglican_Brat and Celtic Knotweed! May your job obtaining abilities be infectious!
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Well done CK! Fingers still crossed for others in the search.

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I got the job! passed background and all that nail biting stuff -- start 4 Aug. !! [Cool] [Yipee]

[Votive] for those looking and thank you to all who didn't give up on me.

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Congratulations ebeth!

On a similar note, I got my contract today for a job starting in September.

[Cool]

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Congrats Rufiki!!!

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Well done! and Congrats! to ebeth and Rufiki!

Fingers crossed for all those still in the search.

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I submitted an application for Hospice Chaplain within the hospital system where I am already doing some part-time chaplaincy. I would really like to get this position. Prayers appreciated.

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Jahlove
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Adding congrats to Anglican_Brat, rufiki, Celtic Knotweed and ebeth. Well done all. [Smile]

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Janine

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I haven't gone nuts so far... but it's a close thing.

I work, of course, for the lead doctor -- it's her pediatric clinic -- with some sort of co-boss-ship happening with her husband, for whom I do not work directly, but he ultimately handles the financial stuff for both the clinic where I work and his urology clinic next door. (I do work directly for him, anyway, in my part-time job at his urgent care clinic.)

There have been shake-ups in personnel, the office manager is mysteriously gone but not really gone but never in the office... And he was all the "IT Department" we ever had. You can imagine what it's been like, wondering every day when I go in to work whether I will have a functional computer or not.

People for whom I do not work and who have no authority over me in any way assume they can give me assignments. They also assume the way they handle similar assignments is the only way, set in stone, writ large by the very finger of God -- even when the steps they try to teach me add hours of work before we get to the very same end result.

People who do have some sort of authority over me -- or at least they especially need the work I do, and so they have a great interest in my work and how it affects theirs -- those people don't interact with me enough. They assume I have what I need to accomplish the last task they remember me doing, and seem shocked when I cannot complete something with miraculous speed. (Never heard of "bricks without straw", people ??)

So, I am sometimes held responsible for work I cannot complete as satisfactorily as I'd like, because I have not the authority to make others do it my way.

I am not unhappy in my job. But can you blame me for keeping an eye out for other opportunities that might come along? It's about as predictable as Wonderland around here.

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Izzybee
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OK, so I'm back from a visit home, I'm no longer working - not the best step, I know, but my mental health has improved 100%, and now I'm looking for a job.

Worst comes to the worst, the supermarket near me is always hiring. If I hit absolute rock bottom, there's three fast food joints within 5 miles of my house. But I'd love a job that I actually, you know, liked.

There's a new library opening near me in the fall, and they're advertising for various positions. Almost all of them involve a degree, but there's a part time job going for a desk clerk which I would love. I mean, I'd love working in a library, and I'd love being able to work part time. Step one is getting Mr. Iz to look at our finances and see if there's any chance of being able to survive on the money they're offering - pros include nearly no gas money needed, and less child care costs, since I'll be working less hours. Also a much more fulfilled, happy me. Of course, this all has to be weighed out before I even think of applying for the job - I doubt I'd get it even than - but it's nice to dream.

I'm also in the middle of checking the websites of all the educational establishments near me - if I can't afford an education, at least I could work somewhere to do with education!

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rufiki

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Hope it works out Izzybee, and well done for taking the plunge.
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Geneviève

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Yes, good for you, Izzybee. Sometimes it is a good thing to quit a job that has become intolerable. Don't beat yourself up over it now that you have done it (100% improved mental health says a lot.) Best of luck in your search.

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Beenster
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Resurrecting this little thread. I left my last job 6 months ago to go to a new job which offered career prospects and training / development and lots of exciting things. The people seemed really nice and couldn't wait for me to get started.

I now know why. They wanted a dumping ground for the rubbish jobs, what I do now is less than the stuff I did 10 years ago, I work alongside a girl 10 years younger who couldn't be more patronising if she tried - and is also extremely good at nicking my ideas and thoughts. My boss gives me rubbish direction and changes her mind and so nothing I do is right.

My confidence has taken a battering and I have seen the doc with stress - in some ways I hope it is just stress but in other ways I am so mad about how miserable and low a couple of squits can make me feel.

I had a really good opportunity to get out - and was doing really well interview-wise with one company when - bad news - the current incumbent has decided to stay. I am pleased for her and the company but sad for me. I so bad need to get out as relationships / health is suffering for me in this role.

I have even resorted to listening to Paul McKenna and confidence to get me showing a positive mental attitude, but my fear is that having been knocked so low with this job, I won't be able to sell myself when I go for interviews.

Not sure what I want other than to rant. I hate it I hate it I hate it. And, I hate the fact that I have allowed these colleagues / boss to get to me so bad.

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Catrine
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As for interviews Beenster, why don't you borrow one of those interview books from the library. When I felt crap after leaving my bank job, it didn't make me feel more confident, but did tell me some of the right and wrong things to say when you are at interviews. In many respects you don't really need confidence that much, you do need to sell yourself, and go in thinking about some of the examples of the work that you have done, what skills that demonstrates, and how you meet their criteria. It's more a matter of preparation.

Good luck and keep us posted on progress.

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