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Sandemaniac
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Yay! Well done! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
(oops... top of page... replying to Auntie Doris about her successful interview)
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[ 16. March 2010, 17:11: Message edited by: Sandemaniac ]
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Taliesin
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Prayers please... for the gift of discernment??
I have a job (part time, and foul, but a job, so I know I was already lucky.) but today my job alert e-mail thing came up with a full time, local, likely to be less foul than the one I've got job, and I'm so scared of going for it, not going for it, rocking the boat I have to no avail or just generally making bad decisions.
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You've got nothing to lose. Go for it.
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Sandemaniac
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Go for it. If you are worried about upsetting your current employer, if the advertisers are interested in you, you should be able to approach your current employer unless thay are going to make you an offer. That may depend on how formal the system is, but it is unlikely to cause too many problems.
Now go for it!
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Taliesin
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thank you!!
I spent most of the weekend crafting the most careful application...
today I attached it all to an e-mail..
AND HIT SEND
*** there should be a 'terrified but hopeful' smilie.***
good lord, how do you all stand it? My nerves are shredded...
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Sandemaniac
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quote:
Originally posted by Taliesin:
good lord, how do you all stand it? My nerves are shredded...
Mostly by getting thoroughly bloody depressed, with occasional outbreaks of mordant bloody-minded arseholery...
On Friday I have the joys of a discussion with the Careers Service here. That should be quite entertaining as they insisted I go away and use an undergraduate career planning website, despite the fact that I did that three years ago and it was utterly pointless - just a great deal of things that I might once have been able to do, but now cannot afford to or am too costly to be considered (I was last an undergraduate on a course that might have a sensible career attached to it in 1993). This time, however, I have attempted to approach it openly (doubtless failing) and have documented the steps in my process of elimination. So now I can prove with use of documents that I haven't a clucking fue what I can do...
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Ariel
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quote:
Originally posted by Taliesin:
I spent most of the weekend crafting the most careful application...
today I attached it all to an e-mail..
AND HIT SEND
*** there should be a 'terrified but hopeful' smilie.***
good lord, how do you all stand it? My nerves are shredded...
The "OMG what have I just done" feeling goes after a while. It turns into a feeling of relief, joy and a fervent hope that it all pays off, and you start haunting your webmail when away from home, impatient for some response.
Re employers - I generally think there's no point in mentioning that you've applied for a new job until you've either got an interview coming up, or have just had a successful one.
On application forms, I now only give a referee's name and no contact details, and say I'll give contact details if I'm shortlisted for interview - interviewers sometimes contact referees as part of the "winnowing-out" process and get them writing references, then decide not to see you. Which is a waste of your referee's time and goodwill.
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Nobody works at my workplace for the competitive salary and the opportunities for advancement. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) We're there for various other reasons -- some like working very close to home, some like holidays off, some like the frequent catered meals provided for us by salesmen. Other factors besides pay alone, y'know?
But, pay is important. Benefit packages are important. Company-sponsored insurance, etc.
Today a co-worker handed in a very cordial resignation, so that she could start her final two weeks with our company before going to her new job (same work, more help doing it, higher pay, benefits). The boss fired her, effective immediately, leaving himself and his office manager in a bind -- who will do that job until they hire a new replacement?
I dunno why she thought she'd be treated any better than the last several people who'd resigned over the years I've been there. Thinking back, every single one of them was unceremoniously shoved out the door as soon as they attempted to courteously resign-with-notice.
Is that the way of the world, now? Does no employer want or need "notice" any more? Is it a fear that the soon-to-leave employee is now suddenly a security risk?
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I've been given 3 months working notice today, so yes it does happen.
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Sandemaniac
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Standard condition of contracts above a certain level where I work (UK academia). It has the interesting side effect that a colleague of mine, whose science project wasn't renewed because it hadn't worked, has had three months to build his Stick War skills...
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la vie en rouge
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
I need a new job ASAP, the atmosphere here is getting more and more toxic. Waiting to hear about the one I applied for.
Sarko promised me that I was going to work more to earn more. I am working more to earn less ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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la vie en rouge
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OK still haven't heard back from the other one but have seen an ad that sounds really, really promising.
Basically exactly the same job that I do now (Partner's secretary, international law firm, bla bla), only for something like 1000€ a month more money. I sent my CV on Saturday and they already left me a message on my phone this afternoon (I figure they are keen and this is a good sign, no?)
Only thing is, I think it's probably working for one of my current employer's closest competitors. Why do I want to leave again? (I figure I shouldn't just say "to earn more money"...)
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Nothing wrong with wanting to earn more money - especially that amount more. But try I'm looking for a more challenging position than the one I currently hold.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Only thing is, I think it's probably working for one of my current employer's closest competitors. Why do I want to leave again? (I figure I shouldn't just say "to earn more money"...)
While you've enjoyed your time at [wherever], you feel that after X years you feel you've now got as much as you can out of your current job and it's time for a change/you'd like some new horizons. The rival company has a good reputation, the job looks interesting, there are possibilities for personal development. (If there aren't, scrap that last bit.)
These days everyone always seems to have to portray themselves as constantly hungry for new opportunities, especially learning and personal growth, when we all know most of us just do a job for the money rather than to become a better, wiser and more spiritually evolved human being... but that's the way of the modern world.
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la vie en rouge
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Have had a very promising couple of interviews with one of my current employer's direct competitors. Going back to meet the partner in question tomorrow and hoping that by the start of next week I can tell my current job to sod off ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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I have a job interview today. I feel woefully under-prepared. It will not be any sort of disaster if I don't get the job (social worker in UK Children's Services less than five years post-Baby Peter is quite possibly the most recession-proof career available and I've still got a couple of months of my degree course left). However, I do very very much like the sound of this particular post.
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la vie en rouge
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Oh. My. Gosh.
So, I was a whisker away from getting a job with the competitors. The partner really liked me and wanted to employ me. Then they decided to ask someone who knew me here* and is now there what they thought about me.
The person said that I "don't do teamwork". First of all, this is completely untrue, as my secretarial colleagues would tell you. Not just a distortion of the truth, but really an outright lie. Secondly, this is someone who was not on the same team as me, who I knew to say good morning to but not much more. Until now, he always looked like quite a nice person to me.
I am absolutely astounded. I can't begin to understand why the person would do that. My only conclusion is that it is because many lawyers are extremely bad people...
Later on I will probably ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) but for now I'm too shocked to even be upset. This is just completely bizarre.
I mean, who does a thing like that, and WHY?
*I know who the person is, as in there's only one person it can possibly be. He was on my floor, but not in the same team.
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Zoey
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Ouch. That's horrible, la vie en rouge.
I have no wise words, just much sympathy + didn't want to 'read and run'.
(I will find out tomorrow whether I got the job I was just interviewed for. I'm hoping that they don't ask complete no-hopers at the end of the interview, "If we consider you appointable, but we don't give you this post, would you like us to pass your details on to the social work team across the hallway who will be recruiting in a fortnight's time?" - and am therefore taking this question as a sign that I at least didn't make an utter fool of myself. *nods*)
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The Kat in the Hat
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Dilemma - do I apply for a job that has been advertised at a school where I am currently on a temporary contract? Could I cope with the rejection if I'm not short-listed, or interviewed, but not appointed? (again)
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Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
Dilemma - do I apply for a job that has been advertised at a school where I am currently on a temporary contract? Could I cope with the rejection if I'm not short-listed, or interviewed, but not appointed? (again)
I would apply, but it might be worth informally asking if your application was likely to be favourably considered?
There are no guarantees, but if you are doing good work in your current job, and of course they know you, it can only help to give you the edge over the opposition...
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Zoey
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I didn't get the job, but I got very encouraging feedback and my details are being passed on to the social work team across the hallway who are likely to be recruiting soon.
I am okay with all of this. Hey-ho. Sympathies to all those job-hunting - I'm fortunate in many ways, but I can see that in different circumstances to mine, this process must often be excruciating.
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Taliesin
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quote:
Originally posted by Loveheart:
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Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
Dilemma - do I apply for a job that has been advertised at a school where I am currently on a temporary contract? Could I cope with the rejection if I'm not short-listed, or interviewed, but not appointed? (again)
I would apply, but it might be worth informally asking if your application was likely to be favourably considered?
There are no guarantees, but if you are doing good work in your current job, and of course they know you, it can only help to give you the edge over the opposition...
Yes, it's my understanding that the internal candidate is always, always prefered to the unknown, UNLESS you are the deputy head applying for a headship in your own school.
good luck.
I am applying for anything remotely suitable, as I have a three week deadline for handing in my notice (at half term.) There are too many applicants for too few jobs and I've not had the snift of an interview yet. So congratulations to all of you who are at least managing to see and speak to people before they turn you down.
Having said that, la vie en rouge, that situation sounds awful, and I'd be having serious words with someone if I were you. Why on earth didn't they just ask your referees? How dare they randomly ask a comparative stranger, and take their word for it?? Beyond weird.
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The Kat in the Hat
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I've put in an application - now just have to wait & see. My previous experience is that nothing is a given. If they prefer an unknown to a known, what does that say they think of me though? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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I have been a primary school teacher for 32 years and I am feeling it's time for a change.
So I have spent this year studying to become a specialist dyslexia teacher.
I've just sent of my CV and application to work as a tutor for a Dyslexia charity. I want to work two days a week and study for my Masters in SpLD the other three. This feels like a BIG change - but it feels right too.
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Loveheart
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Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
I've put in an application - now just have to wait & see. My previous experience is that nothing is a given. If they prefer an unknown to a known, what does that say they think of me though?
Well, I guess it depends on the calibre of the unknown person. It needn't be a reflection on your skills at all. Some selectors try to ignore the fact they already know you, to create a "level playing field".
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) anyway
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la vie en rouge
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Very positive interview this lunchtime with a headhunter who is sending my profile to another one of our competitors. Who apparently pay very well (much better than the people who pulled the bizarre rip off trick on me).
She says its for a partner who's basically a nice person but catastrophically disorganised (bit like the one I have, I think, but for a considerably more respectable salary)
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How does one go about introducing oneself to a likely headhunter? ("Yoo hoo! stick a fork in me, I'm done, really!")
I may need the info soon, I'm afraid.
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The Kat in the Hat
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Didn't get it. Feedback was that I didn't really sell myself enough on the day. It's very hard to do that to people who you have been working with over the last few months! Not sure if I'm relieved or not at the moment, but if they prefer an unknown to a known, what does that think they really think about me?
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I've been job hunting for a couple of months, basically need a new job, because due to cut backs, now not getting enough hours to pay the bills, problem is there is not much out there in the way of jobs, begining to get very fed up with application forms!
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I have been discreetly looking for a new job since about January. I have done my CV over 3 times and it is now 3 pages and still not great. But I managed to finally land some interviews. I had one live interview set up at some company in the South Bay arranged by an HR guy in a foreign land. The HR guy set the wrong date for my interview, so the VP guy here did not know. So I showed up and it was ackward and embarrassing. The VP guy was gone.
So after a slight cry and venting session in my car to my best friend (who took me out to Indian food to cheer me up)...I gave up. Then I hear back from both the Headhunter and HR guy about the mistake. The HR guy was "deeply sorry". This made me realize there is at least a shred of humanity in this company (it's RARE in my world where people 'fess up to messing up). The HR guy admitted to making a mistake. He tried gallantly to get me to schedule my interview the next day. I could not (had another hot interview lined up which did go well at another company).
Fast forward, HR guy sets me up with a call with VP Sales. This call took place in the morning as VP guy is overseas right now. It was honestly a weird interview. VP guy is nice and honest, apologizing for the screw up in the missing interview thing and liking my response which he repeated "oh well..". But he is very DIRECT. He made a point of telling me that from a certain job it sounded like from what I was saying that my boss "fired me, not laid me off" (I disgreed as even though that boss did not like me, I got severance and the label laid off")...then he also seem to take my CV to task "I usually get a short list of accomplishments with bullet points...yours is 3 pages long with a list of descriptions of the skills of things you have done...tell me some of your accomplishments"...then later "Tell me about some times you've screwed up. We all have done that."
Well, I basically thought I was toast. So I just prayed and relaxed, thinking "I have to get off this call as it is a time suck and I need to get ready for work"...so I asked him "what are you looking for?" interrupting him. The VP guy said "Someone who is hard-working, energetic and honest...which you are." Then he asked me my salary requirments and he wanted me to come back in for an interview with 2 people!
The headhunter called me that morning and said "they REALLY like and admire you! Their only concern is that you would not be able to start right away". The HR guy set up the interview after that letting me know that the VP guy wants to talk again after the interviews with those 2 people!
So it looks like THEY WANT ME. I worked for one of their biggest partners for years, which they like and I guess they like the honesty or something.
But for the life of me, why did the VP guy make a point of telling me that a previous boss "fired me, did not lay me off?" This concerns me as he may be a closet A$$H0LE. I guess I am paranoid. I must say the fact he is French gives him a hallpass on weirdness for me, but it seems he has lived in the Bay Area for years and years. He has time to be...less...French.
So any thoughts? I am having a panic attack at the thought of a future boss being an A$$H0LE as I have already had that experience. I don't want it again. But I am very excited about this opportunity.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by duchess:
He made a point of telling me that from a certain job it sounded like from what I was saying that my boss "fired me, not laid me off" (I disgreed as even though that boss did not like me, I got severance and the label laid off")...then he also seem to take my CV to task "I usually get a short list of accomplishments with bullet points...yours is 3 pages long with a list of descriptions of the skills of things you have done. <<snip>> This concerns me as he may be a closet A$$H0LE. <<snip >>I am having a panic attack at the thought of a future boss being an A$$H0LE as I have already had that experience. I don't want it again. But I am very excited about this opportunity.
I've learned from long experience that if you register with 10 different headhunters, you'll get 10 different opinions on what your resume should look like. Best to go with what **you** think it should look like, maybe with a handful of alternate versions on hand just in case. (It's easy nowadays with word processors.)
The world is full of A$$H0LEs. Just as warm farts rise in cooler air, they tend to rise to the top of the management chain. Something to do with the Peter Principle.
Go for it, Duchess. If they make you an offer (and I pray they do), take it! You can always deal with the A$$H0LEs as they, erm, expose themselves.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Amanda, I've learned from long experience that if you register with 10 different headhunters, you'll get 10 different opinions on what your resume should look like. Best to go with what **you** think it should look like, maybe with a handful of alternate versions on hand just in case. (It's easy nowadays with word processors.)
The world is full of A$$H0LEs. Just as warm farts rise in cooler air, they tend to rise to the top of the management chain. Something to do with the Peter Principle.
Go for it, Duchess. If they make you an offer (and I pray they do), take it! You can always deal with the A$$H0LEs as they, erm, expose themselves.
First let me say thank you for reading through my long & loquacious post. I should have re-written it. I was actually up all night, not able to sleep, wondering "why in the hell would VP of Sales guy want to hire me if he thinks my CV is weird and he harps on how I was "fire, not laid off" from a particular job? Like is that a red-flag? But I find it honestly refreshing how honest and direct both people have been in this company (an Israel HR guy and a French VP sales). I can't make up my mind about Frenchie-VP, he may just felt he was doing me a favor, making me face up to being fired instead of laid off (which I already know was the case...but I did get severance and the term "laid off" on my exist paperwork).
I spent a lot of time reading through online things about Frenchie and comes across interesting online. I think he may be a person that is not easily offended as I try to be. I will pray he doesn't turn out to be an A$$H0LE coming out of the closet when stressed. We all have our moments.
I have a feeling I will end up at this company as I already had a dream where they were making me be the Account Mgr. to handle transactions of my old company (which made me wake up in a cold-sweat). LOL.
A company of honest people makes me feel like I am working with people from SoF IRL, for reals. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
[edited to clean up my French.]
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la vie en rouge
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I'm getting close. Really close. And hoping desparately that it works out this time because if I get disappointed AGAIN that would royally suck and I'm not sure I'd cope
I had a first interview last week with a small niche firm. According to the headhunter they really liked me and I'm going back for a second interview on either Monday night or Tuesday lunchtime. If they make me a nice offer, I would definitely take it.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I'm getting close. Really close. And hoping desparately that it works out this time because if I get disappointed AGAIN that would royally suck and I'm not sure I'd cope
I had a first interview last week with a small niche firm. According to the headhunter they really liked me and I'm going back for a second interview on either Monday night or Tuesday lunchtime. If they make me a nice offer, I would definitely take it.
praying for you! the more interviews, the more they have invested time in you...and it looks good. If you are French, I hope my post above did not offend you. I am trying to repent of making fun of French people and it is hard after one makes fun of my CV. Forgive me please.
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I went for an interview to become a specialist dyslexia teacher yesterday - it is part time, which would fit really well wih my studies.
It went well, I didn't fluff any questions and they seemed genuinely interested.
I'm not counting any chickens.
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I went for a job on Monday with a certain Oxford-based worldwide missionary society. I loved my time there and got really excited about writing for them. The interview was in two parts: a 1/2 hour writing task; and a 45 minute 'informal chat'. I think I gave a strong showing for the first part and was sufficiently likeable in the second, but I'm now stuck in the gnawing anxiety of waiting for The Phonecall.
If I get this job, my life will be better than ever... if I don't, I'll be in full job-search panic mode.
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When he bears his teeth, winter meets its death,
When he shakes his mane, we shall have spring again"
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Sandemaniac
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Ah, the Job Search Support thread resurfaces...
Still here, still unhappy, still stuck in a rut of "don't know what I want to do", and still stuck in a job that definitely isn't what I want to do.
Anyway, I'm doing my best to network at the moment and try to find out what others have done in a similar situation, so I'm trying to round up everyone I know. The results have been interesting. I've had the person who wondered if he might meet me at the next Neuroscience conference, even though I don't work in neuroscience...
The person who told me that the one thing I given thought about doing was "shit", then fed me a load of platitudes about how I should go for my dream. Which I've already ruled out as being (a)unfeasible to get into and (b) about as profitable as burning fivers....
And most bizarrely the person who recommended me to the people running a course solely for students taking their PhD. I am not now, nor ever have been nor, I suspect, ever will be doing a PhD, and they surely knew that because (a)I talked about my contract in my email and (b) because they actually know me.
SOMETIMES IT JUST MAKES ME MAD (sorry - accidentally hit Caps Lock, but I'm leaving it, 'cos it seems appropriate!), especially when thats all they're prepared to offer. I'd rather they said "Sorry, can't help" than offer something so obviously wrong and then never offer anything else. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
AG
(feeling slightly better for that)
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I just interviewed with 2 people today...the first was a technical guy French VP threw in front of me "Sorry I have come so unprepared but [French VP] just pulled me in here...". The second was a face-to-face (we've done the overseas phone interview already) with French VP. I feel it went horrible "Why did you tell me that?" "Your resume is too long!...I recommend you list..." The part that got me was saying "why did you take that job at [my current company? You've worked [well-known established company] then [very well regarded company]...now [current company, he could not say the name right]...what reason...it seems desperate...] I just looked at him and said "[French guy's first name], OUCH." And stared all hurt. He then back-peddled to me in my eyes "I did not mean that towards you...I meant on your resume..." I was so totally lost...I turned him out. I openly told him "my father had a heart-attack, then open heart surgery. My mom almost died. I took the first thing that came along." He got it..."we've all been there" said all with the upmost sincerity more softly. He is really weird.
Asking me question like what I do in my spare time. "I'm really boring...I like to shop...I hang out with a few close friends, my family, church...my club going days are over". He figured out that I am a "very good listener". He had valid concerns when I brought up a defect and was too honest about it.
He ended the interview answering my question "When will I hear back from you about this?" "Friday-tomorrow or Monday. I will call you." He wanted to know again what I was making.
I made a joke I should not have in dry humor. He did laugh. At one point in the interview, he was laughing that quiet high pitched laugh you do when you are overcome with laughter. I asked him "what's so funny?" and he said "you look to me like 'why did I just tell him that?'"
He felt it important to say "You can talk this way to me because I'm French. You can't talk this way to an American." True, dat. So I just nodded my head. I realize as much as he is one crazy b@st@rd, he is a smart and crafty one. And that I am probably crazy myself. And yes, I don't talk this way to Americans.
I feel like shooting myself. But he did end the interview saying "I like this." more than one time "I like this honesty, it is refreshing."
I hate stress interviews. NO MORE FRENCH PEOPLE!
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Second interview last night. Now staring at the phone and trying to make it ring by sheer willpower alone
Good news is that they have a temp for now so I they want someone for September ideally. I'm officially supposed to give 2 months notice so this is much better than if they wanted someone straight away (now I only have to negotiate to get out two weeks early, not a month)
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The phone rang and I TOTALLY HAVE A NEW JOB!!!!!!!!!!
Now to tell [magic circle law firm that shall remain nameless] what they can do with their sucky job (although maybe not quite like that because I might need a reference from them one day...)
So long, suckers ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Yay! (throws confetti around)
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Congratulations! Any chance of a butchers at the map once you've left the tunnel?
AG
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Congratulations, la vie en rouge!
I didn't get my job, but they were very nice about it and will give feedback. Keeping my chin up; on to the next one.
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When he shakes his mane, we shall have spring again"
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Brill, well done la vie en rouge!
I didn't get mine - never mind, it would have meant a long journey to work.
Onwards and upwards.
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Well done la vie. Congrats.
And Boogie you need to remember that not getting a job is nothing personal.
Meanwhile the world is your oyster and pearls are buried in a thousand oysters.
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la vie en rouge
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Ok, so now I have a dilemma - it's a good dilemma, but...
I've been called back about a job I applied for in an American firm. They chose another candidate but apparently it's fallen through and now they're looking again. I don't like it as much as the one I've accepted (the interviewer mentioned working for 3 partners and asked the question "have you ever worked for difficult people?" which makes me suspiscious) so my instinct is to say no.
However - I think they probably are offering quite a bit more money than the one I've taken. So - do I interview for it anyway in the hopes of getting more money out of the people I actually want to work for?
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Uncle Pete
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Stick with what you've got: that kind of dilemma often ends in bad relationships and tears. That's my opinion, anyway. Besides will the more money assuage the grief that difficult partners would cause? It seems to me you just left that situation.
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It depends on why the three partners are difficult and who they need to tame them. I'm retired now, but I had a history of taking on difficult bosses, giving them exactly what they needed, and earning the admiration of office managers as a result. If you think you could do that, then I'd say go for it. If you're skittish, then run the other way.
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