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Source: (consider it) Thread: AS: Job Search Support Thread
Ariel
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quote:
Originally posted by Curiosus:
If that's the case, why don't you start a serious search for a job as a specialist bookseller or a trainee editor? Your charity shop experience will look really good on the CV - make sure that you actually put down "tripled book sales in six months". Potential employers like to see quantifiable evidence that you can do the job as it helps them to visualise what you can do for their business.

Exactly. That would look pretty good. If you have a knack for sales and marketing there are plenty of jobs open to you. I wouldn't recommend editorial work, though, if you aren't good on detail. You really do need an eye for it, and the pettiness can get to you ("is that full stop in bold or not?").

Incidentally, if you decide to go for jobs in publishing houses you need to be aware that the majority of them are based in the south-east, mainly in London and the Reading/Oxford area so you'd probably need to consider relocating. If you prefer to stay in the area you're in, trying to get a job in a bookshop that is part of a national chain might be an easier option.

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quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
So, go for non-bottom jobs: what's to lose?

Money!

Like Papio, I'm now looking at 'bottom jobs' (interesting concept) because I've just graduated but (a) my subject being English means it's generally useless for anything other than teaching and (b) I'm beyond broke, so getting some kind of regular work (where I don't have to put in 13 hours a day like I'm doing at the moment) is of crucial importance.

I would imagine that is what is also important to Papio?

Firenze, like you, my background is secretarial and I vowed before taking my degree that it would be the last thing I would work in once I got my degree. Ahhh! The best intentions! I would love a job that used my skills and my degree, but I'm unlikely to find one fast enough to pay the bills and the overdraft and the student loan ...

But Papio, do you look for your ideal while working at the bottom? That's what I hope to do. Get the bottom job, work hard at it, and then spend quality time trying to find the work that really floats my boat.

I have an interview for one of the bottom jobs tomorrow lunchtime. Oh to have my evenings back and some reliable cash coming in.

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Gwai has an english degree and has found an excellent job in editing. I'm not sure if that's something you're into, or if it's a possiblity in your town, but I think they really go for English majors.

Of course, such positions usually also require the "networking" that Yangtze talked about last page. The sheer mass of English majors means that getting into one of the big firms tends to require an "in," at least the first time you work for one.

Then there's me, Polisci major thinking about law and on the verge of fishing for "bottom jobs" just to get a start somewhere. I'll post a bit on that later...


Originally posted by Yangtze:
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One job hunting tip is to network, network, network...!

Seriously, I lived in the Far East for years and it's second nature to me now but I'm surprised that back here in the UK almost no-one seems to do it.

If you know what kind of work you want to go get in touch with people already doing it at interesting organisations/companies/institutions. Doesn't matter whether there's a job going there or not. Say you'd really appreciate some of their time telling you what the job/company is like.

They may then remember you if they hear of an interesting opportunity and pass the details on to you. Or recommend you if someone asks them if they need any good people. Or they may think of other useful people you can talk to. And so the chain leads on.

It's not about getting a job through the back door (though than can happen and very unfair it is too to other candidates) but may just mean that your application form is looked at just that little bit longer / you get to know about jobs you may not otherwise have spotted the ads for...etc etc

[edited for clarification]

[ 27. June 2006, 20:54: Message edited by: mirrizin ]

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Bullfrog.

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(apologies for double post)


*steps up to the podium* [Smile]

*clears throat* [Snigger]

(apologies for TMI)

[RAMBLING SORTA-RANT]
Well, I tried the DNC gig (mentioned a couple pages ago) and while I am certainly capable of going door to door and raising $$$ for dem Dems, I didn't relish doing so from 1-9PM with a bunch of college kids...no disrespsect, of course I'd have jumped at the chance for something like this a few years ago, but I'm a grownup now, not to mention that I like having time with the wife in the evening. So, that was an out, though it's nice to know that if it came down to it, one is capable of doing something.

Since then, a couple interviews with law firms that, while they were very nice, didn't give me the job. I'm getting to hate that "do you have any questions?" question they ask when they've just explained the position exhaustively. One realizes cognitively that it's a subtle "feeler" question you're supposed to answer in some deeply meaningful way, but all one wishes to say after the explanatory monologue is "well, you explained that excellently, I really can't think of anything you haven't covered. I'm really excited about the position now." Then when you don't get the position all you get is this vague email congratulating your accomplishments and saying that they're sure you'd be perfect for a similar position elsewhere.

Eh, I shouldn't be so mean. They're always impeccably courteous. Which, while frustrating, does demonstrate good professionalism and legal sense.

Still, I just had another such interview for another downtown position that felt pretty good, as good as one feels after spending half an hour with someone giving you the inexpressively passive mirror-stare while you attempt to sell your feeble accomplishments. I know I'm the sort of guy they're looking for, just wonder how many of that sort of guy there are in the world and how I measure up next to them.

And then my old boss from Cleveland calls and says he wants to move to Chicago and can I start working for him again. I like him, I really do, but I don't want to become a sign and awning salesman, long term, and I don't want to feel pressured into commitment that, on a gut level, I don't want to make. So I called some real estate agents for him and photoed some local signs and awnings in attempt at "market research." He'll probably come up Saturday and I'll show him what little I know of the town. I wanna help him, but I don't want to feel stuck or obliged, and I really don't know enough about small business to be what he wants me to be.

And finally I get to speak with another nice guy from a staffing firm who thinks I'm great for one of their temp-to-perm jobs. The way he describes it you temp for a while and, long as you don't foul anything up, you get hired (most of the time). Fantastic. I've tried a couple who have either offered me jobs below my abilities, again, I could but I don't want to get "stuck." Maybe if this goes on another month I'll bite the bullet and take one, but then again, hope springs eternal, yatta yatta.

Blaergh. It's been 8 months already. Since wifey works, I don't desperatley need work, but dammit, I'm tired of feeling like a bum!
[/RAMBLING SORTA-RANT]

Thank you for your time. I just wanted to get that out of my system. [Help]

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Ariel
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Had an interview today for a job that I really wanted. And what happens? I screw up.

I know you can only say what you think is right at the time. I'd prepared for this interview, I knew my facts before I went in, I know them now, but they deserted me at the actual moment when I needed them and I looked like a fumbling incompetent and now I've missed my chance to prove that actually I did know the answer to a key question which was kind of central to the job.

[brick wall] bugger.

Oh well, on to the next, chalk it up to experience, there will be others, you get the job you're meant to have and other platitudes of a similar nature. Tomorrow is another day and I still have a job, anyway.

Aargh, the whole job hunting/interview thing is hopeless really. You write a glowing self-recommendation about how you'd be perfect for a job that someone else is usually disenchanted enough with to leave, you are interviewed for half an hour or so by people who know nothing about you, and who aren't the people you'll be working directly with, then they ask a few people they've never met and know nothing about to write in support of your wonderful application. Roll on retirement.

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quote:
Originally posted by mirrizin:
Gwai has an english degree and has found an excellent job in editing. I'm not sure if that's something you're into, or if it's a possiblity in your town, but I think they really go for English majors.

Yes, I like the thought of editing. My dissertation supervisor recommended I try to find something which involved copious amounts of writing because he thought I was very skilled at it, and I've had a few comments about my spontaneous editing skills. Unfortunately, my city doesn't have much in the way of such jobs available. I also think they may prefer a journalism degree to an English one, but I don't know for sure. Still, it's something to keep in mind. Thank you for the feedback.

Ariel - are you sure you performed as badly as you think you did? Or is it post-interview anxiety speaking? It's really hard to judge after the event exactly how we came across. Since you seemed to really want the job I hope it's good news, in spite of how you feel.

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My job search has been fruitless for such a long time that I'm beginning to wonder if I'm looking at the wrong things Yes, I've had interviews for competitive jobs and done extremely well but I've not actually been successful. I've had my CV checked by professionals and I don't think there's anything wrong with my interview performance (I recently went through a v. rigorous interview for a weekend job in a posh bookshop and got the job). So perhaps God is trying to tell me that my talents lie elsewhere? The trouble is that I haven't got the foggiest clue where/what that might be [Roll Eyes]
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Curiosus, sounds to me you're doing nothing wrong, but I think you've answered your own question. Perhaps God is wanting you to use your skills in a new and exciting direction. You might want to at your skills and ask which are transferable and then start to ask in which direction this might be. A brainstorming session of just writng out all your skills then all possible occupations/roles could be a useful exercise. PM me if you would like to discuss this further, I've been through a couple of career changes to do what I'm doing now.

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Another "no interview for you" letter arrived on my doorstep this morning. Grrrrrrrr. I hate job hunting...
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Ariel
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So do I. I got a very nicely worded rejection letter - one of the nicest I've had - but even so it still says I didn't get the job. Back to square one again.
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I've got an interview!

Which is extra surprising considering that I rushed the application form as I needed to send it back the same day it arrived, so probably still has lots of spelling mistakes etc. in it...

[Votive] for everyone who isn't getting interviews and everyone who, like me, seems to be able to get the interview but not the job.

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Just got back from another interview with another law firm, only to check in with the last one and once again get that nice bland "I think they chose someone else for that position...we'll keep your resume on file and call you if anything comes up" spiel. But, eh, far as I can tell the new interview went pretty well and I'm going to have the real meeting with the attorney on Monday morning.

Thing is, I know I'm fully qualified for this position based on their specs. The trick is how do I separate myself from the restless hoards of college grads who are all clambering for exactly the same spot?

Such is life. I'll second obble's [Votive]

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I had an interview this evening for a charity shop manager job, which seemed to go well - they fitted me in at the last minute after I called them and I took my application form in with me.
It would be something I'd enjoy - I've been in more charity shops over the years than most people have had hot dinners - but I do worry a bit about leaving my dog on her own at home all day. For the past eight years she's always come to work with me.

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Hello all.

I am a solicitor rather tired of soliciting, and looking into alternative jobs, whether connected or not to law, I'm not sure. I'm thinking (perhaps) of legal publishing, or research, or web design, or perhaps something creative in an entirely different field. Or standing in a field counting ducks. My job-hunting is only at an early stage, but I thought I'd drop in on you all.

Good luck to everyone engaged in this gruelling process. And if I can assist with advice on finding a job as a lawyer (yes, that job I don't want any more...) then please shout.

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Me again!

Have had a few interviews recently, and received the thanks, but no thanks letter.

I dont think there is anything wrong with my Cv either (apart from the contract work - 6 months here and there), mainly because I made the mistake of thinking that travelling would look good on my CV. [Hot and Hormonal]

So how do I get it into employers thick heads that I can do the job, work hard and stick around. I have only done contract work because there was nothing else available. [Mad]

I have now dumbed down my skills, so that I am not percieved as "wont stick around!"

Any advice?

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Ariel
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Quinine!!! Welcome back, good to see you!

I think counting ducks in a field sounds like a good idea. It might be more emotionally rewarding than squinting blearily at the incomplete fields of a database with tiny black text on a cold grey background and motivating myself to enter more data into it, or clicking Yes No Yes No alternately for a while.

You've motivated me to look through the small ads in the local paper to see if there are any vacancies for duck counters. I'll get back to you.

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If we have a job but want another one, can we post here?

David

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Ariel
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I think that's what many of us are doing.
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A job ad landed in my inbox today that got me thinking that, for the right job, it's getting close to go-back-to-work time.

So I spent an hour staring at an email, wondering how to ask an old friend for more information about the job when, if she thought I was remotely qualified, she could have mentioned this plum of a position to me when we were together recently.

How do you sell yourself in a resume, cover letter, or interview, to people who already know about all the weaknesses you'd normally try to de-emphasize.

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ChastMastr
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
I think that's what many of us are doing.

[Hot and Hormonal] Note to self, read thread before posting. But I just re-noticed it now... [Hot and Hormonal]

We desperately want to move back down to Florida as soon as we can. Some nibbles but nothing definite thus far. Please pray. We have been trying to relocate away from DC for a couple of years at this point but before it was to San Francisco. Florida is home for me, though (native of it, and six years away is enough). But finding a job from 1000 miles away is not as easy...

David

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I didn't get the charity shop, but today I was just across the road in the attic of the local newspaper offices, being interviewed for the post of receptionist, which sounds like fun (but which also sounds like the sort of job they'd want to offer to someone just starting out, rather than middle-aged me).

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Quick Question - I am currently going for roles the "next step up" from office dogsbody. One question which is coming up often is "how do you deal with demands of three managers" - I have said that I am flexible etc, but need a really good answer for this question. [Biased]

I know I have balanced three - four managers before but my answers obviously havent got me the job.

Any suggestions? - I am getting interviews, so obviously I have enough to do the job, but want to be the best person on the day!

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Maybe tell them that you thrive on chaos, and are never happier than when you're working flat out?

Okay, that's a bit much, but something in that spirit....

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ChastMastr
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The biggest nibble is with a Tampa Bay area magazine whose folks-in-charge are in New York right now through early next week sorting things out. I want this job so much! I may very well know one way or the other by early- to mid-next week. Please please please pray.

HUGS

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Yangtze
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quote:
Originally posted by Agent Smith:
..... One question which is coming up often is "how do you deal with demands of three managers" - I have said that I am flexible etc, but need a really good answer for this question. [Biased]

I know I have balanced three - four managers before but my answers obviously havent got me the job.

Any suggestions? ...

You could try talking about being a strong project manager and time manager. Then show examples of how you did just that with the varying demands of your previous managers. Bit like an essay really - make a statement and back it up with evidence/quotation.

They other way round is to really think about what exactly you did to handle those 3-4 managers you've had in the past. You may need to talk this through with a friend with them constantly probing and asking you questions till you work it out. Once you've understood how exactly (and I do mean exactly - what were the precise things you did - flexible is such a general word) then you'll have your answer.

And/or repeat back to them what the challenges are of having 3 managers (reinforcing that you know this from your experience) - how they might sometimes pull you in different directions; all expect something done at the same time; be contradictory etc. Again, once you've outlined the challenge, give a specific and detailed response as to how you'd manage that challenge.

(eg if two of them wanted a piece of work delivered at the same time - and it takes 2 hours to do each piece of work but you only have 3 hours, you could tell them that you would assess yourself the priority, go back to each manager explaining the situation and your assesment and recommendation (which I guess in this case would be that one piece of work would be delivered an hour late) and ask them to agree to it - or to sort it out with each other. Note that that's not necessarily the 'right' or indeed the only solution to that challenge.)

Just my 2 cents worth. Good luck.

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quote:
Originally posted by Quinine:


Good luck to everyone engaged in this gruelling process. And if I can assist with advice on finding a job as a lawyer (yes, that job I don't want any more...) then please shout.

Might take you up on that Quinine.
I've just graduated and am doing training contract applications at the moment. I'm getting a bit fustrated with all the 'why do you want to do law', 'why do you want to work for us' type questions, any advice on what kind of things stand out from the crowd on those type of questions? My answers at the moment seem to be rather boring when I reread them.

The next one I'm doing skips all those though and just has a problem question. Yay [Smile]

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Quinine
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quote:
Originally posted by Manda:
I've just graduated and am doing training contract applications at the moment. I'm getting a bit fustrated with all the 'why do you want to do law', 'why do you want to work for us' type questions, any advice on what kind of things stand out from the crowd on those type of questions? My answers at the moment seem to be rather boring when I reread them.

The next one I'm doing skips all those though and just has a problem question. Yay [Smile] [/QB]

Yes, I know what you mean. I hate having to jump through hoops on a box-filling application form and would rather send a CV and covering letter any day.

One thing to remember (and I have only worked for small and medium-sized firms, not larger ones which have their own HR departments) is that lawyers are generally pretty rubbish at the recruiting process. Apart from obvious things like academic credentials and work experience, they don't really know what to ask people in order to find out how suitable they are, but they know they have to ask them something. So I really don't think you need to worry about flashy answers, either on the form or at interview. If you think your answers are a bit stilted, then practice saying them to someone out loud as if you're at an interview, and that might help you flesh them out a bit.

For the 'why I want to practice law' question, I think I used the old 'intellectual challenge combined with helping people solve practical problems' - but that might be different if you're going into corporate law where you might not see a real live client for some years...

The 'why do you want to work for us' question can only be answered by researching the firm. Look at the brochures and web site and note things which seem to make the firm distinctive -but more importantly, if you can, find a contact at the firm and speak to them. If it's a big firm, and you've already graduated, I guess some of your contemporaries are already on their training contracts and can give you some low-down - or talk to your uni careers service who might be able to put you in touch with old students who'll be willing to talk to you about their firm. Making that effort should give you the edge.

Also, the danger is that if you are applying to lots of firms, after a while you will sound a bit mechanical because this is application form number 75 and you couldn't actually distinguish that particular firm from a hole in the ground. Stop, have a break, and make fewer and more focussed applications.

Good luck.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Quinine!!! Welcome back, good to see you!

I think counting ducks in a field sounds like a good idea. It might be more emotionally rewarding than squinting blearily at the incomplete fields of a database with tiny black text on a cold grey background and motivating myself to enter more data into it, or clicking Yes No Yes No alternately for a while.

You've motivated me to look through the small ads in the local paper to see if there are any vacancies for duck counters. I'll get back to you.

Wow, thank you for the welcome back, Ariel... [Hot and Hormonal]

My current plan is to look into duck-counting on a voluntary basis as my partner knows a former colleague who actually did this locally. I will keep you posted.

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My advice is if you're not happy then change, I did so, and have no regrets I went from Retail Management into Teaching, and now Manager of an Ecumenical learning organisation, money isnt everything, nor is the career ladder.

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I've just sent off yet another application. Honestly, this job hunting lark takes up so much time! I'm not even convinced that I really want the job as it's pretty much the same as my current job, but at least it would get me out from where I am now.

I'm still mulling over the idea of having a complete career change. The trouble is that I really don't know a) what I want to do and b) what I'd be good at. I've done all of the 'What Colour is Your Parachute' type quizzes, both online and in books, and am still none the wiser. I just can't imagine myself doing anything that's suggested [Frown] I can't afford to take a major pay cut and retraining would take too long - I want to be out of my current job NOW. It's all too stressful.

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I didn't get the job I was interviewed for last week, so back to square one...

And I'll light another [Votive] for everyone.

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More applications, a few callbacks, more turndowns. Got an interview for a part time office stint with an architectual firm downtown on Thursday. Not my first choice, but dammit, it'd be something.

That, and I've concluded that temp firms are the agents of Satan.

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quote:
Originally posted by mirrizin:

That, and I've concluded that temp firms are the agents of Satan.

[Votive]

Totally agree on that one! (Unable to get a temp job at the moment and agencies suck!. Unless you have exactly what they are looking for then you will not get any further than the round file!

Perhaps this should be on the consign to hell thread.

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Well I have got an interview on Monday evening thanks I'm sure to the advice on here re Skills based CVs.

It's for 3 half days tutoring a dyspraxic 16 year old in basic maths and English.

This would be pretty good. At the moment I am home educating my children but hubby works 4 flexible days so we could happily fit in 3 half days. I don't want to get back into primary teaching (what i'm trained for) but want to get into basic skills education for adults. I think this could be a useful stepping stone without putting too much pressure on our home life.

I know nothing about dyspraxia really though, so will just have to come over as generally competant and very willing to learn.

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...and I got the job. Which is great. It's hard to get a good part time job. Now to juggle hubby's time and other child care.

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So I bit the bullet... and applied for a job today. On the one hand, it's a good job for a great organization and I really hope it works out. On the other hand, not-working is pretty brilliant too, and it would be a horrid commute. And I'll probably be ok if it doesn't work out.

If I get this worked up over every resume I submit, it's going to be a long, anxious time before I work again.

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Suzywoozy, well done.

Fool of a Took, make life easy for yourself make templates for everything including CV/resume, letter of application, application statement and covering letter, you need only then tweak them for each job you are applying for, saves reinventing the wheeel.

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I've got an interview this afternoon for a job that I really, really want. It's not quite what I had in mind originally but it's working in a field that I've wanted to get into for ages. It also comes at a time when my current job is particularly tricky and I'm absolutely desparate to escape. Prayers would be much appreciated that a)I'm offered the job and b)the salary offered is managable.
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quote:
If I get this worked up over every resume I submit, it's going to be a long, anxious time before I work again.
I've been at it for months. I know what you mean. Just wait til you start getting interviews...

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Suzywoozy
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quote:
Originally posted by Fool of a Took:
On the one hand, it's a good job for a great organization and I really hope it works out. On the other hand, not-working is pretty brilliant too, and it would be a horrid commute.

I can sympathise a bit with the mixed feelings.


I love being at home and I feel a little apprehensive about going back to work even just the little I am.

I can't quite believe I have been completely at home since I had my last child, I haven't worked for about 5 years. Before that hubby and I did a mix of jobs and studying around our older two. So we are kind of going back to that and it always seemed to work then.

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I (pretty much) officially have my first ever job after leaving uni in June 2004! It's not at all related to my degree, which is in French & Spanish (with Italian)... After Uni I returned home, got a TEFL qualification, couldn't find work, applied for a PGCE in Swansea for Sept 2005, to teach Secondary, got on the course but coouldn't do it and then totally failed to get a job over there, so came home a month or so ago and decided seeing as I love little kids and have a ton of experience (babysitting since the age of 13, wanted to do a Primary PGCE, but no Science GCSE, so can't get on any of the courses) it was decided (with my Mum's help/advice) that I should look into nannying.
So come the end of August, I'll be looking after a four year old boy, I'll have my own place in Paris, separate from the family's flat and though the pay won't be great, it's a start and I'm very excited! I only had two other interviews too, so that's quite impressive really!
I'm going to be doing the odd morning and afternoon with Adrien (with his parents around) just so he gets used to me and me to him and we settle into his routine, before I start properly. It's going to be for at least a year, so if it continues as it's started, I'll be tired but happy!
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It's only recently that I realised that not everyone is good with kids-I always assumed it was 'cause I figured if I can do it, anyone can, but apparently I have a special gift... So I'm thrilled that it's going to be put to good use!
Good luck to everyone else who's looking, feel free to PM me if you want a listening ear for the 'aarrrgh' moments, I've definitely had some of those!

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Congratulations! That's really fantastic news, FM. Hope you enjoy it and settle into the new job quickly.
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Have to run soon, but just wanted to say in an odd twist of fate I might actually gett hired directly by a headhunting firm downtown, doing data entry and possibly some calling. Definitely not a long term deal, but it'd be something while I'm still pursuing my dream of working for one of the downtown law firms.

Also, seconding congratulations to FM and [Votive] to all who are still searching.

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quote:
Originally posted by mirrizin:

Blaergh. It's been 8 months already.

I graduated in 2001 and finally started my dream job last month. The last few months were the worst because I'd finished my masters (which I did part-time so it took two years), I'd got my visa, all my obstacles, my "well I'll worry about it when..." were gone.

Those five years have been spent doing secretarial which I hate but at which I am very, very good. So when people weren't even offering me interviews for secretarial positions, I really did get pretty close to rock bottom. It didn't help that my dream job doesn't come up very often, either.

Anyway, I finally got an interview for a secretarial post and got the job, after five years of longing for permanent, salaried work. Finally! Thing is, by then I had two interviews for 'dream job' positions, so I had to turn down the secretarial (and on my birthday as well) because it wasn't fair to take a job when I was praying I'd have a different one in a fortnight. Then I had the first 'dream job' interview and was given the job before 10am the next day.

I don't have any job-hunting tips as such because I'm quite clearly not the world's best job-hunter, having taken half a decade to get to here. In fact, I'm mostly posting because I thought it might make you feel a bit better knowing that some of us take so long to get our lives on track.

Also, you can put a positive spin on almost anything. My eighteen months of temping while sorting out visas turned into "a period of flexibility and adaptability that taught me a lot about the organisation of the State and gave me many useful contacts, especially in the health sector and local government". Navigating the immigration department also makes me look good.

In terms of making yourself stand out, do you have any hobbies you can play up? I got into my uni course because the first year tutor had two viola players in the family and their chamber orchestra needed another one [Big Grin] A point of common interest makes you stand out a whole lot better than yet more top-tier grades.

The final thing I'd say in my 'not having any job hunting tips' ( [Roll Eyes] ) is that my employment here is, I'm sure, due in large part to three months' casual work I did last year at a major science museum, doing science shows around the state. I wrote a show, got my picture in the paper performing it, and included the cutting with my CV. That show and the contacts I made at the museum (which contacts turn out to be the major players in all science communication work in the state) made me extremely interesting to the people interviewing me. So working for fifteen bucks an hour on a casual basis landed me a three-year, full-time contract on considerably more than fifteen bucks an hour.

I'm not sure there's a law roadshow you could join - although some aspects of law could probably benefit from some smiley people in brightly-coloured t-shirts doing demos in the school theare - but it's worth looking at all opportunities in the light of what they might get you, particularly if yours isn't the only income and you can afford a bit of casual work. You're probably doing that already though.

I'll stop typing now.

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Well, the interview I went to the other day was very strange. I got the impression that they'd made up their mind before I walked through the door, although I'm not sure whether they want me or not. The interview only lasted 15 minutes and the interviewer asked very few questions about my experience, suitability etc. I suspect that the interviewer doesn't have much experience of recruitment. In the end I spent most of my time trying to create opportunities to mention key skills so that they'd have something concrete to refer to when they make their decision. Very odd. Hopefully I'll hear the results today or Monday.
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And so it gets interesting...

At the particular firm I'm applying to as a Docket Clerk, I've had meetings with the junior HR gal and with the docket manager. The docket manager decided I should meet with the docket assistant on Thursday. I just got a call from HR gal saying she'd like me to meet the Director of Office Management.

Honestly, I'm terrified. After so many turndowns one has a distinct feeling one should never EVER get one's hopes up, but why the heck would they put me in front of "Director of Office Management" unless they were serious? [Eek!]

Wish me luck, I guess... [Help]

[Votive] to all who are still searching.

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Don't know if I'm on my head or my heels. Two interviews this week, one with a gentleman for a position that would use my skills and teach me more, but it's a million mile commute, and I'm not sure he would be happy with me--he's what they call a "strong" personality. With the best will in the world, I'm not sure I could stay on his good side. Others have failed before me, I gather. But the money would be okay, and it might look good on a future resume.

The other interview would be safe and secure, little stretching involved in the job, and not a huge amount of money (less than job #1), but they have all the normal benefits (like paid holidays, sick days, etc.) and I think I could probably manage to make them quite happy. I would also probably get normal accomodation for real life (think sickness, bereavement, etc.)

But I haven't officially been offered either position yet. Color me partially panicked....

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[Votive] for all looking for work [Votive]
[Votive] for all with interviews and/or descisions [Votive]

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Glad this thread's back

...SO frustrated - have had one interview for a job that I REALLY really want (an admin job doing international university applications in a bilingual school, twenty minutes walk from my house) but now everyone's on holidays so I have no idea when the second interview will be. And it has to be soon enough that I can do the training (haven't used the database / program before) before the term starts

I have to have a job by September, in a country where finding gainful employment is notoriously hard to do - or face being homeless, foodless and quite a lot of other stuff-less...

[Help]

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Well, I survived the interview. Don't feel like I passed with flying colors, but don't feel like I failed either. Like most higly trained professionals of my experience, the woman I spoke to was politely inscrutable. Apparently I'm one of three applicants they are considering, and she says they'll reach a decision tomorrow.

If not this, I have another interview next Tuesday. Makes me think of slammed doors and cracked-open windows.

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