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teddybear
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How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?
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[Tangent Alert]

Has a Jesuit ever been elected Pope?

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No. Thirty-four popes have come from religious orders, but no Jesuits.

The last pope to be a religious was Gregory XVI (1831-46), who was a Camoldolese monk.

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quote:
Originally posted by teddybear:
How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?

It's not.

But it can become it. As Ingo's article suggests

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quote:
Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Cardinal O'Brien seems to have sensed a weakness in the force allowing him an opportunity to talk about women clergy again!

In the news item I saw, he wasn't talking about ordaining women. He was talking about re-opening the prohibition on male priests having wives.

Unless one were to argue that the clergy in all the other ecclesial communities in the world, who marry women, sleep with them and have children with them, become women priests by association, these aren't even related topics.

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passer

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quote:
Originally posted by teddybear:
How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?

Father Federico Lombardi:

"Whoever has money, sex and power at the forefront of the mind sees the world through these parameters and cannot see beyond these even when looking at the Church," he said.

"Their view cannot look to the heights or go in-depth to understand the spiritual dimensions and motivations of existence," he added.


Whatever that means.

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Evensong
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Weird reporting by the BBC that.....

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Father Lombardi also observes that
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the Vatican spokesman said those putting themselves in positions of judgement had no authority to do so.
The RC Church has always been strong on acknowledging the authority of others to make judgements, of course.

The Vatican does seem extremely uneasy at the attention they're getting at the moment, and it's very naughty of the internet not to do what it's told. "Mummy knows best" no longer seems to have the weight it once had.

Reminds me of the first time my kids said "no" in a measured rather than petulant way. Mrs passer and I were suddenly aware that this display of free will and self-determination meant that they would be leaving at some point.

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quote:
Originally posted by passer:
quote:
Originally posted by teddybear:
How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?

Father Federico Lombardi:

"Whoever has money, sex and power at the forefront of the mind sees the world through these parameters and cannot see beyond these even when looking at the Church," he said.

"Their view cannot look to the heights or go in-depth to understand the spiritual dimensions and motivations of existence," he added.


Whatever that means.

John Waters in the Irish Times yesterday had one of his usual strops that liberals who were at best indifferent to Papa Ratzinger's retirement were motivated only by money.

Quite.

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posted by Ingo:
quote:

(On the off-topic question of the Magdalene laundries, the commentary by Brendan O'Neil was interesting.)

Interesting maybe, but his assertions about the McAleese report is incorrect. Here is the full report. Only 118 women who were actually in the institutions came forward to contribute to the report. Of all of them, there was one reported incident of sexual abuse and a minority reported severe physical abuse (not corporal punishment) or witnessing such.

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quote:
Originally posted by Anglican_Brat:
[Tangent Alert]

Has a Jesuit ever been elected Pope?

Jesuits take a vow to support the (white) Pope. I had recently read on a Catholic bulletin board of someone replying to the same question by answering, "Why would a Jesuit aspire to be (white) Pope when he could become 'black Pope' " (i.e. Jesuit General, who many including Catholics believe to be the Eminence Grise, power behind the 'the throne of Peter'. Their being thrown out of dozens of countries in the past is well documented - noticably absent is the discussion of this order on these boards).

[ PS: My many years of interactions with the Jesuits was by and large a fairly reasonable happy experience - with the 'lower' strata of the order, who do not get moved around much. Unfortunately, like with the Freemasons (at the lower end of the spectrum), most of whom enter to (genuinely) serve their community for the greater glory of God and so on, are conditioned into the system where anomalies are seldom questioned - or are allowed to be questioned. For instance, Freemasonry and St Peter’s Rome share the very exact symbolisms. As one ascends the ladder of these respective societies, the nature of worship and know-how begins to slightly change, significantly so nearer towards the summit where symbolism begins to unravel the Architect's (and Structural Engineers?) "knowledge".

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quote:
Originally posted by passer:
quote:
Originally posted by teddybear:
How is discussing the very real sins of the Catholic Church anti-Catholicism?

Father Federico Lombardi:

"Whoever has money, sex and power at the forefront of the mind sees the world through these parameters and cannot see beyond these even when looking at the Church," he said.

"Their view cannot look to the heights or go in-depth to understand the spiritual dimensions and motivations of existence," he added.


Whatever that means.

Sounds like a really heavily spiritualized, sneaky version of "the ends justify the means."

ETA: An old cliche about sausage making also comes to mind.

[ 24. February 2013, 15:07: Message edited by: Bullfrog. ]

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Computer security guru Bruce Schneier discusses how hard it would be to "hack" the conclave's election process. Answer: very. (He of course merely means hacking the election process itself. Attempts at "political" hacking of the election are, I'm sure, in full swing already...)

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Re hacking the conclave:

I've heard that no cell phones, etc. are to be allowed. But I bet *someone* will have one. If not the cardinals, then the various staff supporting them.

Think of that secret video of Romney saying that the lower classes aren't important, and all the fuss that caused...

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re hacking the conclave:

I've heard that no cell phones, etc. are to be allowed. But I bet *someone* will have one. If not the cardinals, then the various staff supporting them.

Think of that secret video of Romney saying that the lower classes aren't important, and all the fuss that caused...

Interesting times!

I think maybe secrecy is becoming a thing of the past, especially for the rich and famous.

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Golden Key
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A possibly useful resource: Rocco Palmo's Whispers In The Loggia blog. He's been covering the RCC for some time.

On The Media had an interesting interview with him today. (Look for the "Inside The Vatican" section, where you can listen to it.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re hacking the conclave:

I've heard that no cell phones, etc. are to be allowed. But I bet *someone* will have one. If not the cardinals, then the various staff supporting them.

Think of that secret video of Romney saying that the lower classes aren't important, and all the fuss that caused...

I can confirm that these work most efficiently.
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There has been a Motu Proprio Normas Nonnullas issued by still Pope Benedict XVI. As analysed for example by Canon Lawyer Ed Peters, it basically means that the conclave can start earlier. I hear 10th or 11th of March being floated as the most likely date.

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IngoB

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With a hat tip to Fr. Z (no, really!), here's "Choose Your Pope!" by TheLutheranSatire. Ecumenic lulz, NSFL.

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