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Thread: Circus: Vox Pope
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Ariel
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Cast your votes for the next Pope! Pick up to three candidates from this list. They're all male, Catholic and in holy orders so there should be no problem there.
[ 13. May 2013, 10:52: Message edited by: Imaginary Friend ]
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comet
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Come on, Father Jack!
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Kelly Alves
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HA! ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
I went with Adzo.
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Ariston
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I went with Adzo.
Because we're all expecting someone repulsive and ugly, but found ourselves instead with someone young and handsome from whom no fee was required.
Also, the idea of William of Baskerville as Pope...the philosopher in me is relishing that prospect, given the people he was based on (Sherlock Holmes, obviously, but also William of Ockham and Roger Bacon) were all beyond cool and thought nothing of showing the bird to established authorities. Actually, given that Ockham wrote a treatise that explains how the Pope can be excommunicated and Bacon may have gotten himself placed under house arrest for radical sympathies and theological innovations...well, that's irony for ya.
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lilBuddha
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Damn Dumas gave cardinal Ritchie a bad name, time to reform it.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Originally posted by Ariston:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I went with Adzo.
Because we're all expecting someone repulsive and ugly, but found ourselves instead with someone young and handsome from whom no fee was required.
Also he's completely gullible and will do whatever we tell him. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Uncle Pete
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I note that Brother Cadfael is in the lead. Mmm a pope who knows how to find the skeletons in the closet.
Could do worse, I expect. If I could also vote for the abbess who looks after the papal apartments, I would vote for Edith Pargetter (nom de plume: Ellis Peters) now sadly dead.
Pargetter wrote cracking whodunits under both her own name and the Peters pseudonym. Underrated, but marvellous.
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MSHB
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Cardinal Richelieu stands out as the one best qualified to understand the Vatican underworld - and best qualified to rig the vote in his own favor. And, as a cardinal, he is already inside the room where the vote takes place. He's clearly the man for the job.
Isn't it about time that the French got to bring the papacy back to France?
(I actually voted for Father Brown and Friar Tuck, sentimentalist and idealist that I am.)
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Golden Key
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Went for Br. Cadfael, Fr. Brown, and Fr. Dowling. Compassion, common sense, talent for figuring out and solving problems, and capable of more than black-and-white thinking.
If I could add another, it would be Friar Tuck. For the above reasons, more or less, and Robin Hood skills and sensibilities would not be amiss!
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
As to the papal household, I'd vote for two folks from the TV "Fr. Dowling Mysteries"--Jean, the housekeeper (played by Mary Wickes, aka Josephine the Plumber from the old ads); and Sr. Stephanie (Tracy Nelson), who'd partly grown up on the streets, could hotwire cars, and was brave enough to help a fellow teenager give birth in an emergency, get her to safe harbor, and keep her promise to never tell. I think Stephanie would probably go on private missions.
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Lyda*Rose
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But where is John Blackwood "Blackie" Ryan? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
But where is John Blackwood "Blackie" Ryan?
Disqualified for lust and bad writing on the part of his creator.
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Golden Key
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Yes, Fr. Blackie! And he could definitely handle the politics.
I've long hoped that Andrew Greeley would make him pope.
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Welease Woderwick
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Sadly Monsignor Quixote was missed off the list so I had to go for Don Camillo as my first choice.
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Ariel
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# 58
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
But where is John Blackwood "Blackie" Ryan?
I knew sooner or later someone would pop in with "But where's...?"
Can't please everybody, sorry ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
It's looking like a clear-cut result for the Benedictines, but they've produced more popes than any other order, so no surprise there.
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Originally posted by Ariel:
It's looking like a clear-cut result for the Benedictines . . .
. . . except for poor Adzo von Melk—but he's only a Benedictine in the book, so I guess you have a point. I was thinking that what we want is a detective for Pope!
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Piglet
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I am a piglet of very little brain - I missed the "vote for up to three" bit, so cast only one vote - Father Ted, in memoriam.
If I'd had my brain-cell switched on, I'd have added Brother Cadfael and Father Jack.
Careful, now.
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lilBuddha
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I would have cast all three votes for Cardinal Ritchie if I could. I object this was not possible. I suspect malice in that... ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
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Timothy the Obscure
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Fr. Sarducci seems the obvious choice to me. Pragmatic and flexible. He might have to quit smoking, though.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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I screwed up on the three votes thing, too- # 2 and# three would have been William of Baskerville and Sarducchi.
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lilBuddha
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Sorry, but Sarducchi comments belong on a particular thread in Heaven. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Ariel
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# 58
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Benedictines R Us.
Is "Father Brown" being repeated any time soon, does anyone know? I missed the lot.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Benedictines R Us.
Is "Father Brown" being repeated any time soon, does anyone know? I missed the lot.
You missed nothing. Related to the original in name only.
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Piglet
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It occurred to me this morning that Brother Cadfael, jolly good chap though he was, wouldn't have been eligible. At least one of the books mentions (IIRC it was regarding not being able to hear confessions) that although he had taken monastic vows, he wasn't ordained as a priest.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by piglet:
It occurred to me this morning that Brother Cadfael, jolly good chap though he was, wouldn't have been eligible. At least one of the books mentions (IIRC it was regarding not being able to hear confessions) that although he had taken monastic vows, he wasn't ordained as a priest.
Not actually a problem, if only in canon law-land. Although it's been a really long time since it's happened, laymen have been ordained pope, and, according to the 1983 CCL, still can be.
Plus, if Fr. Dougal's eligible, you can't be having too many standards . . .
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Firenze:
You missed nothing. Related to the original in name only.
Ah, right. I didn't enjoy the stories much when I read them (years ago now) but it might be time to give them another go.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Originally posted by Ariel:
quote:
Originally posted by Firenze:
You missed nothing. Related to the original in name only.
Ah, right. I didn't enjoy the stories much when I read them (years ago now) but it might be time to give them another go.
I'm very fond of them- as much, though, for the evocative settings as the plots.
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Earwig
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Having never read the books I rather liked the series.
And I went with Don Camillo as my favourite. They were some of the first 'religious' books I ever read and I think Christ on the Cross forms a lot of my understanding of God.
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roybart
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Posted by PeteC:
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I note that Brother Cadfael is in the lead. Mmm a pope who knows how to find the skeletons in the closet.
Not a a bad quality for someone about to live and work in the Vatican.
Cadfael is also fair, humble, hard-working, inquisitive, kind. He dislikes injustice, is willing to question official dogma, and is gently subversive of prideful superiors. He lives in the real world and engages with people of all classes., He thinks empirically while not forgetting that God is always around us. He talks simply and does not wear flashy clothes.
We could do worse than choose a Pope like that.
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Golden Key
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Re Cadfael:
I only know him from the TV series (with Sir Derek Jacobi!) and a non-fiction book about his garden.
He was really sensitive to shades of gray in life. I'll never forget the time he interviewed a woman who'd been the mistress of a nobleman, borne him a son, and was now a (lay?) nun. He needed to ask about all that, and he approached her very gently and delicately. She smiled, and said something to the effect of "there is room in my life now for neither pride nor shame".
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I was thinking, also, that the real-life Br. Lawrence of the Resurrection (author of "The Practice of the Presence of God") would make a good choice. He was a soldier who converted while he was recovering from an injury. He expected that the spiritual life would be miserable, and he was pleasantly surprised. He was very compassionate, and much sought after as a spiritual director.
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ArachnidinElmet
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It seems that we'd all prefer a candidate, who, in all likeliehood, wouldn't want to be pope.
Hmm. Maybe that should be a pre-requisite?
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Ariel
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Definitely. I think it is or was a monastic rule that anyone who "intrigued after the office of Abbot should not have it".
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Lyda*Rose
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I understand that Karol Wojtyła (John Paul II) muttered something like "God forgive you!" under his breath when he saw how the vote count was going.
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Robert Armin
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Don Camillo gets my vote, as he is in the habit of talking to God and being ticked off by him. Seems to me the single most important attribute for any church leader of whatever stripe.
(And, Firenze, I'm another Father Brown afficianado, who was horrified when I saw one of the TV series.)
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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Brother Cadfael is still in a (narrow) lead!
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Golden Key
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# 1468
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Perhaps we could quietly relay our selection to the Conclave? In fortune cookies!
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SyNoddy
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If asked, I would say that Brother Cadfael has been a hugely positive influence on my spiritual journey. I was reading Ellis Peters long before I began to read the Bible, so I'm going to vote for a welsh pope - though he'd hate it I'm sure
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Golden Key
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# 1468
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Re Fr. Brown TV series:
Is this the American one from the 70s/80s with Barnard Hughes in the lead?
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Re Fr. Brown TV series:
Is this the American one from the 70s/80s with Barnard Hughes in the lead?
No, it's a new one with Mark Williams (also playing Beach in
Blandings ). It's sickeningly Marpleised (and updated to some never-never land 1950s).
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