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Re: Mines and Milk.
Just to make something clear:
1. More mines were closed in the c.20th by Labour administrations than by Margaret Thatcher or any Conservative administration.
2. Labour began the removal of milk from schools, as Education Secretary, Margaret Thatcher mearly continued a Labour party policy...
All the bull about milk and mines drives me mad when so little of it is true - Thatchers legacy then:
Annoying the unions to such an extent that even to this day they hurt from their inability to hold the country to ransom ever again to the extent that they did in the '70s.
Just to say as well, it is surprising to understand the number of people who would never think to vote Conservative ever at least supported Thatcher and admired her, especially those in the working classes. My parents, and many of their friends, are very much Centre-Leftists working class peeps, but the way in which they admire/admired Thatcher is inspiring...
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I recall a cartoon with Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Brian Mulroney all dancing together with a caption "conservatives of the world unite". We lived through the era as young adults, finishing post secondary education, considering having a family, wondering what we could afford to do.
The decade was awful for the average person. Incredible anxiety about the future, costs increasing, wages and ability to afford things decreasing. It seemed to be whole transfer of government largess away from the average person and toward those who already have.
It is an incredible legacy of privatisation, of deciding user shall pay, versus the former model of the public weal. We continue to follow the same path, and I can only say that we've waited for the end of it and it seems to never end.
I suppose I could say in the final analysis I benefitted some 3 decades later. I had to leave my civil service job, and ended up going into business as there was no other option, and I have ended up with far more money than I would have. So I could say hell with other people couldn't I? And thank Thatcher and people like her for making me rich. But I don't. I blame her and her ilk for an anti-humanity and anti-Christian approach.
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Do folk think that Thatcher's genius was to appeal to aspirational working-class voters ("Essex men" if I want to be pejorative) in a way which no Conservative had ever succeeded in doing before?
And has that same now passed to UKIP, leaving the Tories stuck with an ageing and middle- and upper-class constituency which is not large enough to give them an electoral victory?
If that's the case, does this leave any British political party with enough support to gain a Parliamentary majority?
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Originally posted by dv:
This is good on Margaret Thatcher's Christian beliefs and motivation:
Church Times article
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"Lady Thatcher's faith was shown to be selective and highly personalised, but none the less genuine."
Are people entitled to have beliefs that bend Christianity to their ideology?
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Originally posted by no prophet:
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Originally posted by dv:
This is good on Margaret Thatcher's Christian beliefs and motivation:
Church Times article
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"Lady Thatcher's faith was shown to be selective and highly personalised, but none the less genuine."
Are people entitled to have beliefs that bend Christianity to their ideology?
Of course, on the grounds that we all do it. Everyone else is of course entitled to say "erm..."
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Originally posted by no prophet:
Are people entitled to have beliefs that bend Christianity to their ideology?
Yes, of course. What's the alternative - forcing us all to believe a specific set of rigidly-defined tenets?
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Oh, and I wonder if anyone who knows the history could explain this to me. Fourth paragraph.
The article is confusing. Was the Labour Amendment considered pro-choice or pro-life? I sasume the Northern Ireland MPs were pro-life, which would mean that Labour was supporting a pro-life amendment. But then, why did a pro-lifer like Widdicombe have to be whipped into supporting it?
Or was it a case of the amendment being too liberal for Widdicombe, but conservative enough for the Irish, and Thatcher supporting it out of sympathy for the slightly-conservative Irish position?
[This post was written as a continuation of my earlier post on abortion and sodomy laws.]
The whipping would not have been anything to do with the amendment's precise stance taken on abortion but on the principle of not imposing abortion provisions on Northern Ireland.
My reading of the article is that abortion was not legal in the Northern Ireland at the time, unlike in the rest of the UK, so it would be a massive and controversial change. If abortion were to be extended to NI it would need to be after detailed policy consideration, white papers, public consultation etc, not stuck in as an amendment to another vaguely related piece of legislation.
My guess is that the whipping made no difference to the way Ann Widdecombe would have voted.
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Well, bully for you, Marvin, but that's not what everyone has got.
Yes, and that's why the ones who haven't got as much hate Thatcher's legacy. But if they're allowed to hate her because her policies made them poor, I'm allowed to love her because her policies made me (relatively) rich.
And I am allowed to loathe her policies, despite the fact that I have undoubtedly benefited from them. Because the country she created is a far poorer one, even - maybe especially - for those with more money.
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Originally posted by dv:
This is good on Margaret Thatcher's Christian beliefs and motivation:
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DV
that is an interesting piece, especially the final comment from it:
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Lady Thatcher's faith was shown to be selective and highly personalised, but none the less genuine. As The Iron Lady prompts reflection on her premiership, we should not forget this vital element of her character, which tells us as much about the relationship between religion and politics in Britain as about the woman herself.
Weiss puts his finger on it for me, in that (and who am I to say who is and is not a Christian?) her faith was ''highly personalised''.
She had a non conformist Methodist background I believe. Yet she was a world away from the working class Methodist-socialists, say, of the Welsh valleys that were of her generation and earlier.
Personally, the only area that I think she did well was the end of the cold war and the thawing of the cold war with the USSR. I think the Soviets like a ''strong'' leader and there was a chemistry between her and Gorbachev. Reagan and Mrs Thatcher also got on well too.
I don't have the space or time to talk about other things and home politics and of course the Falklands Island period. She was contentious all right
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
And I am allowed to loathe her policies, despite the fact that I have undoubtedly benefited from them. Because the country she created is a far poorer one, even - maybe especially - for those with more money.
But you are using the word "poorer" in a non-balance sheet way, so I doubt she would understand. I think Oscar Wilde can admirably sum up Thatcher and her political legatees: "They know the price of everything and the value of nothing."
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I never liked her policies and never will. But she did keep us all busy with going on protests, we protested at everything. I liked Aldermaston - met so many interesting people. I never saw a protest descend into rioting or looting, it was all rather polite (and probably very middle class) The rest of the time we covered ourselves in pin badges asserting all the campaigns we approved of. We wanted to be seen as 'edgy' but I guess all young people aspire to that.
I miss the protests, all I have done in recent years is to get chained to a petrol pump. And I can't say I hate Thatcher, I hated her policies but admired her guts - she became Prime Minister - she was a woman and she also wasn't a toff. It must have taken some steely determination to get that far up the ladder.
Oh and I never liked school milk - I used to give mine to Justin Newton.
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I went to primary school in the late 1980s and I got school milk. Was the affect of Mrs Thatcher's actions as Education Secretary really so widespread?
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Oh and I never liked school milk - I used to give mine to Justin Newton.
I never liked it either! I lived on a farm, where milk was warm and came out of a cow. The stuff you got in school was cold and tasted funny. (It had been pasteurised!)
I was 17 in 1979. If I'd been 18 I would have probably voted Conservative in the election. Since 1974, prices of everyday things had doubled, or more. British manufacturing industry had already been destroyed by the unions and, as Marvin said, Thatcher just switched off the life-support. Between 1974 and 1979 an average of about 11 million working days a year were lost to strike action, and pay rises were as much out of control as prices were. I remember power cuts when the miners were on strike, walking to school when the bus drivers were on strike, the smell in the streets when the refuse collectors were on strike. It was horrible. And, as we know now, utterly corrupt: union "barons" were more interested in Marxist (or Trotskyist) ideology than in the welfare of their members.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
Because the country she created is a far poorer one, even - maybe especially - for those with more money.
I don't see how I'm poorer now than I would be if I had less money, less opportunity and less choice in how to live my life.
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She allowed the British people to become what they'd always wanted to be, for good or ill.
I'd never seen her that way, but I think you hit the nail right on the head.
Mixed emotions from someone who spent his teenage and early adult life hating the woman, then grew to like her politics and now want to reflect on where she led me.
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Marvin, I'd like evidence for your assertion that you are somehow wealthier as a result of Thatcher's legacy than you would have been otherwise ...
Neither the UK nor the USA score very highly when it comes to the league tables for upward social mobility.
Sure, some people will have benefited from Thatcherism, others won't have done.
Her legacy, like that of any politician's, is mixed.
One could argue that we're all better off in the longer term because Lloyd George introduced the old age pension for the first time ...
Or that we're all better off health-wise post-war because Labour introduced the NHS ...
I don't have an issue with enterprise and people 'bettering themselves' and so on, but I'd be interested to know how Marvin the Martian would have fared in a pre-Thatcherite Britain as opposed to a post-Thatcherite one.
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She and her party did massive damage to the British people. Her legacy is an evil one.
So you would have preferred dictatorship by the trades unions?
If it's a choice between two 'evils' (Thatcher versus Scargill & Co.) I know which I prefer!
Could the answer be that two wrongs don't make a right?
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I don't have an issue with enterprise and people 'bettering themselves' and so on, but I'd be interested to know how Marvin the Martian would have fared in a pre-Thatcherite Britain as opposed to a post-Thatcherite one.
I'll compare myself to my father. In the pre-Thatcher system, he left school with one A Level and worked in a bank for His whole life. In the Thatcher/ post-Thatcher system I left school with four A Levels, got a degree and have a great career in the university sector. He struggled to buy his first house, I managed it with relative ease. Given that dad is smarter and harder-working than I am, the fact that I've done so well is almost certainly down to the different systems in which we've had to operate. It follows that I'd have been worse off under the pre-Thatcher system.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I don't see how I'm poorer now than I would be if I had less money, less opportunity and less choice in how to live my life.
Because you are concerned about the poor in your country and how they are treated, if you are?
It's not one of my major concerns, no.
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Please note: I am nor pre-Cambrian.
Thatcher's legacy?
- the idea that being working class is something from which to escape
- the denigration of working class values like community and shared struggle
- the idea that working class values are incompatible with being "successful"
- the idea that "success" should be understood primarily in terms of upward social mobility
- the systematic dismantling working class culture and identity
- the beginning of a programme of cultural cleansing in which working class culture is expunged from political discourse
I could go on.
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Mrs T's strength was courage and her weaknesses were quick to judge and slow to forgive. RIP. We may not see her like again.
She took solace in music. Enjoyed brass bands. Liked Yeats. "The best are full of conviction." A conviction politician. I didn't like a lot of her convictions, but I respected her courage.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
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Originally posted by dv:
This is good on Margaret Thatcher's Christian beliefs and motivation:
Church Times article
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"Lady Thatcher's faith was shown to be selective and highly personalised, but none the less genuine."
Are people entitled to have beliefs that bend Christianity to their ideology?
I'm sure we all do now and again.
I#ve got no grounds to think whe wasn;t as sincere a Christian as any of us. She at least sometimes went to church when there were no TV cameras around and no public ceremony or big festival going on. Which is more than 90% of the English population
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Well, people (mainly but not exclusively) in the south/south-east voted for her, despite the largely negative economic and social consequences of her policies elsewhere in the country.
Yet in many ways, she was more pragmatic and less unbending than the strident rhetoric suggests: the Royal Mail and British Rail were not privatised, the NHS remained free at the point of use (although with a botched "internal market"), she signed the Single European Act. As well, she was far less pro-Israel than might be supposed, and stood up to the Reagan Administration vis-a-vie British interests much more effectively than Blair’s did to George W Bush.
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1979 was my first election; I voted Conservative as I had been brought up to do. The next election I voted Alliance (Lib-Dem), the one after that I voted Labour, as I have done ever since. One effect of Thatcher was to make me a socialist; she showed me what unbridled capitalism was like.
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"She certainly put money in the Market Traders' pockets"
How true!
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I was 7 when Thatcher came to power. I can remember the sense of antipathy towards the Conservative party in my household. Watching the news coverage of things like the miners strike only served to cement that antipathy. However, I always had the sense that my parents were equally afraid of the Labour Party.
Politically speaking - as working class Christians - they always seemed to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Inherently suspicious of Conservative social elitism but equally fearful of the militant socialism of Old Labour.
I now realise that Tony Blair simply managed to repackage Thatcherism for people like me - the children of the politically cautious working classes - whom Thatcher had successfully managed to dislocate from their working class cultural heritage and passed it off as something new. it wasn't new. it was the next stage in the Thatcherite campaign and I was taken in hook line and sinker.
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For what its worth I think this article is a very fair summary of her politics Written from a lefty point of view, but not at all bitter or nasty.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I'll compare myself to my father. In the pre-Thatcher system, he left school with one A Level and worked in a bank for His whole life. In the Thatcher/ post-Thatcher system I left school with four A Levels, got a degree and have a great career in the university sector.
Bollocks and you know it! You are too clever to really think that. Almost every country in the world has got richer steadily - with the occasional blip - since the end of the Second World War. Even if you just restrict yourself to Western Wurope, countries as different as Ireland, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden, and Britain are all much better off than they were when our parents were our age, and they were better off when their parents were that age.
Each country has a different history in detail, but the general trend is the same. Regardless of who was in government or what their policies were.
The main reasons most of us in Western Europe are better of than we used to be are probably technological advance, gradual accumulation of infrastructure, cheap imports from poorer countries industrialising for the first time, liberalisation of international trade, and not having had any very big wars. Not who was or was not in government.
All the artificially inflicted economic pain and the suffereing and hassle of the early 1980s was just unneccessary. We all ended up in about the same place as each other anyway.
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He struggled to buy his first house, I managed it with relative ease.
Wheras I do a similar job to yours in some ways (maybe even higher paid) and I can't dream of buying a house. Never have been able to. My parents found that sort of thing much, much easier than I did.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Gwai:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
I don't see how I'm poorer now than I would be if I had less money, less opportunity and less choice in how to live my life.
Because you are concerned about the poor in your country and how they are treated, if you are?
It's not one of my major concerns, no.
To my mind, that is poorer.
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Indeed. It would appear that Thatcher has been more spiritually formative than Christ in this regard. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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Thatcher's legacy was.... regional. I'm not entirely sure the North East of England has ever recovered. She hardly endeared the Conservative party to the Scots. Rebalancing our democracy in favour of Parliament, as against the unions was certainly a success. One wonders if she would have won three elections had the opposition not been so comically inept.
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Has everyone forgotten that she supported Pinochet to the end and called Nelson Mandela a terrorist?
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Has everyone forgotten that she supported Pinochet to the end and called Nelson Mandela a terrorist?
And in a fit of gay panic passed Section 28.
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But wasn't the ANC involved in acts that might well have been construed as terrorism?
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Terrorist is a rather stupid word to describe someone who engages in violence for political ends, although in fairness, apparently she lobbied PW Botha for sometime to release Mandela.
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Terrorist is a rather stupid word to describe someone who engages in violence for political ends.
Would you say, then, that Martin McGuinness c. 1972 wasn't a terrorist?
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And in a fit of gay panic passed Section 28.
She also voted to decriminalise homosexuality, let's not forget that! Also the fact that Section 28, although despisable, was woefully misunderstood at the time at that misunderstanding has been perpetuated in its entirety with almost no proper historical revision that it deserves!
To address an earlier point:
Someone mentioned that the most recent banking crisis was founded on Thatcher's legacy, some digging around reveals that this is somewhat woefully wrong, since the latest banking crisis had it's basis in bank borrowing which since the '60s was steadly at around twenty times the banks capital, ie. before, during and after the Thatcher and Major years. It was only after 2000 that bank borrowings rose to the levels that were majorly damaging and contributory to the most recent crisis. After 2000ish bank borrowing rose to around 50 times the capital in the seven years upto the crisis... just thought it might help shed light on this idea that Thatcher is supposedly not only responsible for setting the groundwork for the longest period of prosperity that the UK has seen (which would be true) and the resultant crisis (which evidently would be false).
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Originally posted by Sergius-Melli:
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And in a fit of gay panic passed Section 28.
She also voted to decriminalise homosexuality, let's not forget that! Also the fact that Section 28, although despisable, was woefully misunderstood at the time at that misunderstanding has been perpetuated in its entirety with almost no proper historical revision that it deserves!
So everybody misunderstands it except those who agree with your (mysteriously undeclared) interpretation. A bit like your assertion in Hell that socialism is dead, except where it's alive.
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Originally posted by no prophet:
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Originally posted by dv:
This is good on Margaret Thatcher's Christian beliefs and motivation:
Church Times article
Quote from the above:
"Lady Thatcher's faith was shown to be selective and highly personalised, but none the less genuine."
Are people entitled to have beliefs that bend Christianity to their ideology?
Well many do.
“most Christian Prime Minister of the 20th century. Led by her "deep religious conviction"”
My arse.
Sounds more like Tony Blair – let‘s fight a war and kill people.
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Originally posted by dv:
A great achiever who brought freedom to many - and showed what ordinary folk (especially women) could do if they had vision and belief.
Well, she showed what ordinary folk (especially women) could do if they had vision, belief and married a millionaire, certainly.
Like much of the rest of her legacy, her impact on the lives of British women - and on British feminism - is complicated. The symbolic importance of a female Prime Minister can't be denied. Some groups of women were definitely empowered as a result of her premiership - the groups of miners' wives who organised community foodbanks, campaigns and demonstrations during the strikes spring to mind. But she is not famous for having done a great deal to promote equality of opportunity or equality of pay for work of equal value when she had the chance.
Incidentally, I've never quite understood why those 'ordinary folk' not fortunate enough to have been born with, or have been taught vision and belief shouldn't get a shot too.
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Terrorist is a rather stupid word to describe someone who engages in violence for political ends.
Would you say, then, that Martin McGuinness c. 1972 wasn't a terrorist?
And I would certainly describe the Paras in Derry as a terrorist organisation in 1972 using the exact same criteria. State institutions need the consent of the governed and must never act outside the law.
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As Mrs Merton might have said, 'Mrs Thatcher, what attracted you to multi-millionaire businessman Denis Thatcher?"
Once you enter that world you are impervious to the lives and expectations of the vast majority of the population. Just like today's Bullingdon set.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Because you are concerned about the poor in your country and how they are treated, if you are?
It's not one of my major concerns, no.
To my mind, that is poorer.
How very convenient. I'll use the real definition, thanks.
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Jane R
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned the housing crisis yet... surely the original 'Right to Buy' rules, which forbade councils to use the money from house sales to build more council (= social) housing if they were running a deficit, were at least partly responsible for the current bubble in the property market?
As well as massively reducing the stock of available social housing, the 'Right To Buy' probably prolongued the Tories' time in power - the Labour Party only dropped their opposition to the scheme in 1985.
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Mrs Thatcher, along with Ronald Reagan (a former actor in cowboy films) invented the slogan T.I.N.A: "There Is No Alternative."
But, hey ho, cheer up guys - there's another housing boom on the horizon! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Mark Betts
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With the greatest of respect (because he's Admin) I didn't realise Marvin was a tory boy - I thought all the atheists on here were guardianistas.
No offence! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Mark Betts:
With the greatest of respect (because he's Admin) I didn't realise Marvin was a tory boy - I thought all the atheists on here were guardianistas.
No offence!
Hey, I'm not an atheist so your presupposition can still stand for a while yet!
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Er, I don't think Marvin is an atheist.... (even if he might wish he were ![[Biased]](wink.gif) )
(x-posted with Marvin!)
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