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Originally posted by Golden Key:
kind of a General Theory of everything. The one section that seemed less so was about childhood sexual abuse. (Against it.)
People of this sort seem to generate General Theories - a case of pattern recognition gone mad perhaps.
On a more mundane level, there is Andrew Kadir-Buxton who believes everything, bar everything, from the female orgasm to mental illness can be solved by punching people in the head:
http://www.kadir-buxton.com/
The Kadir-Buxton method has been discussed several times between mental health specialists and myself. We have come to the conclusion that it only works if the mental is really, really irritating.
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
Is there any way to claim 'your visitor from another world is ridiculous, but mine is totally plausible' without appealing to special pleading?
Yes and no. In terms of the high-level beliefs themselves, there's not much difference. But the worldview that contains that belief also contains a whole bunch of other beliefs (and perhaps relies upon them) that might be demonstrably false.
So if your religious worldview also contains a whole bunch of unlikely conspiracy theories, or scientifically invalid nonsense, then that worldview can be critiqued more heavily than a worldview whose beliefs are generally consistent with reality as we observe it.
I think a better point to make would be that the traditional view of the incarnation of Jesus, while in one sense supernaturally fantastic, doesn't require serious breaches of the laws of planetary motion.
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Originally posted by chris stiles:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
kind of a General Theory of everything. The one section that seemed less so was about childhood sexual abuse. (Against it.)
People of this sort seem to generate General Theories - a case of pattern recognition gone mad perhaps.
Speaking of pattern recognition -- reading through this thread and its relative in Styx, and glancing through Emily Windsor-Cragg's website, I'm reminded of the film A Beautiful Mind--especially the state of his office, plastered with pages from magazines with an intricate web of string connecting random words that spelled out Soviet spy messages.
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Does all of this mean Gozer the Gozerian will be coming back??!
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Serious question: have you been reading David Icke?
... Some years ago I did, but he comes to a lot of conclusions that my data does not support. [I'm using elipses ... to differentiate between your text and mine.)
I skimmed much of his site, years ago. He, too, seems determined to make sense of and connect a wide variety of things, so that they make sense.
... Yes. We need to make sense of our lives, and particularly of our public and civil lives, where leaders are taking us.
I take a "don't know" attitude toward most things. I like to play with ideas. If someone says that something isn't true, I mull over whether I can think of any way that it *could* be true. That doesn't mean that it *is* true--just that looking from different perspectives can be interesting, and fun.
... Sure! And that's what game designers do, because they don't have to be bothered with too much data, too little data, or data that doesn't fit.
But, sometimes, you just have to hold the puzzle pieces. *Forcing* them together can just muddle your search for truth. Living with "don't know" can be very scary. For me, it's the best way to go. And it takes a lot of pressure off of me. Whew!
... Yes, I began this poking into things twelve years ago when I was forcibly retired (by illness), and had time on my hands to do it.
If what you say about the Annunaki is true, what difference does it make in our everyday lives?
... Huge. They signed Treaties with Eisenhower from 1954 onward that have affected our use of technologies in a very extremely negative way ... as in serial wars just to test armaments and guns;
bacteriological warfare, electronic warfare, etec.
What is the good truth that they've kept us from.
... Very little "good" truth; just a lot of predatory military operations that we never should have taken on.
I've noticed, both on the Ship and on your sites, that you emphasize right behavior over doctrine.
... Everybody has their thoughts. When I was a kid I believed all sorts of silly things; and then when I had children, I went through my Fundie period; and then when the kids were growing up and teaching me about limits and boundaries; I lightened up. After all the kids left home, I had to deal with my own inner self. And each time my life changed, my beliefs changed (or maybe the other way around). But my behavior had to remain consistently civil, thrift, simple and decent in order for me to live with myself and with other people. So I adopted the tactic of just letting people have their own thoughts (and beliefs) because I figure, they're going through their own shit.
So how then shall we live?
...Jesus' teachings are still the best, and hardest in the short-term to abide by. But i think His approach is the best, along with Common Laws (against Harm, Deceit, Waste and Undue Cost) which His Father YHVH gave to Israel first, and then to the British.
Not poking at you. Honestly asking.
... I can tell that. Thank you so much for poking questions at me. I love that challenge, to answer and be civil.
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
For ten years, since Nancy Lieder had her dog put to sleep in anticipation of Armageddon, I have been re-rendering and analyzing NASA/ ESA/ JAXA and Astronomy photos to see what they conceal.
In the process what I discovered is that there is nothing in Astronomy or Space Science that is taught from Truth; everything you read everywhere is confabulated mythology.
I have archived about 50,000 photo images that prove--to myself--that what I have just stated is true.
Out of interest, how many photographs did you discard as not supporting your theory?
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
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Originally posted by Thyme:
As you represent the PTB here I am now a believer.
NOOOOOO - don't start believing until you've shorted out your tracking chip! THEY will find you and BRAINwash you again, over and over, always with the goddamn brainwashing guys, really it's getting old now so just stop ok? Nothing can prevent the TRUTH except for the FORCES of DARK. DARK is the absence of LIGHT, which means there isn't anything brightening up the place where you are did your candle blow out OMG YOUR CANDLE BLEW OUT. Prepare for the dugongs, for they come at night in the DARK. My new fillings said so. These ones AREn't a conspiracy. They're made of iron. Good, dependable iron from OrION - coincidence? HA! You have been deceived my FRIEND!. I am he who knows the truth because of iron in my tooth.
My first thought on reading this was, does than mean that half of Scotland have the truth from drinking so much Irn-bru?
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This is all too Euro-centric. What about the Anasazi? The Hopi?? The Inca??? The Inuit????
The MAYA people!! There are "Indian" mounds down river from me that pull everyone in SE Minnesota and NE Iowa into a MATRIX VORTEX!! It happened to me...I was only going to stay in Winona for a few years and now IT HAS BEEN 14!!!!!
And don't get me started on what goes on in the Antipodes...
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Originally posted by Porridge:
I grant you, the addition of highly-unlikely conspiracy theories would make any the above look even dodgier. But you've got to admit Croesos has a point.
Sure, which is why I said 'yes' and 'no'. Christians (and I'm one of them) believe a whole bunch of remarkable things.
I think there's a difference, however, between believing unprovable things and believing provably-wrong things.
So, for example, I might believe that Jesus rose from the dead, despite the fact that experience tells us that people don't rise from the dead. I can't prove that he did, I believe that in some way the normal rules got broken and a miracle occurred. It's an unprovable, remarkable, and for some unbelievable, thing.
If someone, however, found some kind of proof that Jesus definitely didn't rise from the dead (for the sake of argument, some kind of indisputable archaeological evidence, though I'm not sure what that might be), then Jesus rising from the dead goes from being something unprovable to something provably wrong.
There are some 'Christian' beliefs that might fall into the provably wrong category. I'd put something like Young Earth Creationism in that category. However, most Christian beliefs (and most beliefs of other faiths too), including those in your list, simply fall into the 'unprovable' category. They might break the laws of physics as we understand them, or describe something about the supernatural that we can't know for sure, but as individual events we can't prove that they didn't happen. Take out and reject the provably wrong beliefs and I think Christianity still stands as a coherent worldview.
So, personally, I find it a lot harder to accept the validity of a religion like Mormonism than I do Christianity or Buddhism. There's too much there that is demonstrably wrong - linguistically and archaeologically. Mormonism's religious claims aren't, on the surface, any more remarkable than Christianity's (or our dear new Shipmate Emily's). But to accept Mormonism, I'd have to accept a bunch of things that I know aren't true, like horses (and a bunch of other animals, and crops) being around in America before the Europeans introduced them, like native Americans being descended from the Jews, like civilisations existing that there is no archaeological evidence for. It's moved from being unprovable to provably wrong.
Does that make sense? Of course unprovable and provably wrong aren't binary terms, and there's going to be a scale that religious beliefs fall on, but I hope you see the difference between "I know this sounds crazy, and things like this don't usually happen, but I believe..." and "I know this is in direct contradiction to something we know to be true, but I believe...". For me, the former holds more integrity than the latter.
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The 'About' section on the Facebook link posted by EEWC above states:
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ET visitors from the Orion Constellation have been coming to Earth in 3616 cycles for nearly half a million years. Kept secret by elite societies, their top-down hierarchy form of governance has been replicated here all over the world, despite Secrecy.
If we're descended from the genetically-modified slaves created by extra-terrestrials, can someone explain to me:
1. Why we're being visited at 3,616 year intervals? Who visits? What is the purpose of these visits? Why do they not appear more frequently and what happens between each visit?
2. Who are these 'elites'? Are they human beings or are they aliens? Or are they aliens in human form? How do the humans and the aliens interact with one another and why do humans obey the wishes of the aliens? Are humans still subservient to aliens - what is the nature of this relationship? Why is it in the interests of the elites (if they are human) to maintain secrecy?
If we're going to have a proper, Purgatorial discussion of this subject, these seem to me to be fairly basic questions about but after three pages I can't see any clear concise answers (unless our alien overlords are shielding my eyes from them).
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If you Google "3616" the first hit is
Hydroxyzine
I have never seen any significance to the number in any of the odd books and websites I've read.
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Originally posted by Surfing Madness:
My first thought on reading this was, does than mean that half of Scotland have the truth from drinking so much Irn-bru?
The Pictish Folk never knew the Annunaki Giant Humanoids From Beyond The Moon so they SWALLOW their iron when it should be in the tooth! The TRUTH is in the TOOTH! The TOOTH, Duke Leto! Testify! Beware the dugongs! SoyLENT Green is PEOPLE! The clue to this Truth was left in the Christian Festival of Lent - SoyLENT/LENT coincidence? HA! You have been deceived my FRIEND! The TICKETS are now DIAMONDS!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Anglican't, I didn't come up with a theory until I was 40,000 photos into the project. I work phenomenologically ... without a hypothesis until it all fits together in a single Aha!
Also, Nibiru used to orbit OleSol in a 3616-year long orbit; and it would only show up here, come through, and the rest of the time Nibiru & Company were traveling back to Orion (1800 years) and then back here again (another 1800 years). They're long-lived people, so their culture took advantage of resources on this planet, from visit to visit.
Elites. Bloodlines beginning with Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Jacob, etc., through the twelve tribes of that racial group ... who utilized crusades to enrich themselves with Babylonian banking practices, namely the Templars ... who then became the founding 300 families of Europe and who today own most of the world (they think). Elites today are industrialists, bankers and coupon-clipping globalists.
Why do humans obey the wishes of the ETs? Humans taught the ET cosmology (Occultists, New Age, Rosecrucians, Masons, Theosophists, etc) because it's COOL TO BE COOL. They have a set of teachings that promote individual self-love and outright complacency. (All One, Like Attracts Like, As Above, So Below, Reality is Illusion, Live by Astrology etc.)
Elites are commanded to maintain secrecy of the Annunaki teachings by their hierarchy MASTERS. Ask any Mason. ... But the A-liens are not overlords in any direct sense. They have their own lives, their own Monarchy, hierarchical systems, technologies and problems ... albeit similar to our own. They're divided into factions, as we are.
British Royalty, although claiming to be the head of the Anglican Church but being members of secret and civalric orders, were responsible for the founding of Tavistock (the psycho-puzzle palace), for the splitting off of Jews into Palestine (the Balfour Declaration), for the dumbing-down of the working classes (in opposition to Church schools' efforts at increasing literacy), so they're playing both ends against the middle, calling themselves Christian but playing the Occult card in the back room.
Kyzyi, the Mayans have pictographs of saucer craft, and their number system is similar to the Sumerians who learned from the Annunaki. Likewise, the Egyptians. There are pyramids all over the planet having similar architectural specifications, is another clue.
I hope I have covered everybody. If not, holler.
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Emily Windsor-Cragg
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Anglican't, did the photo albums come up alright?
Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't; and I didn't want to add more photos until I knew if the system's working today.
Facebook fails a lot, in their linking, show and tell.
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SusanDoris, I'm sorry, I can't recall the details of Du Sautoy's programme - it was about a year back, and I can't remember what the maths was, either. It seemed very interesting at the time! He was on TV quite a bit then. (There's a piccy on this page Labyrinth )
Also, when I said I scanned the books, I meant scan read, not digitally copy them! Just in case anyone with a copyright interest is hanging about.
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Everybody, this is neither the circus nor heaven - no trolling, no games. Parodies that make no debating point come very close to personal attack / trolling.
You are not obliged to participate in this thread if you don't want to, other boards (including hell) are thataway -->
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Emily, thank you for improving the readability of your posts. Much appreciated.
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So if I've understood this correctly, our alien 'overlords' only visit when they happen to be passing through our part of the solar system. They also don't appear to hold any sanction over their appointees on Earth so it's not clear why these appointees would so clearly conform to their masters' wishes if they are subject to such lax, infrequent control.
And if the aliens are so technologically advanced, is there no merit in following their practices and way of life?
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Separately, I note that you say the ROYAL FAMILY are part of our oppressive culture but that you call yourself Emily WINDSOR-Cragg. How are we to interpret what you say as the truth rather than a FALSE FLAG OPERATION?
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(In light of Doublethink's post at 5.22pm (cross-posted with mine) the second part of my post should perhaps be disregarded.)
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
I hope I have covered everybody. If not, holler.
You missed me! But no wonder, considering the speed that this thread is moving at.
What do you think of Jesus?
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Penny S
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While trying to find details for SusanDoris, I came across this site, which does not entirely seem off topic. Exposing du Sautoy
Also of interest: du Sautoy again
Here's the BBC trailer, with a comment underneath about religious trolls.
Trailer
I remember it now - lots of diagrams of the geometry of the cathedral. I don't think the name of the programme was an accident.
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
[QB]Also, Nibiru used to orbit OleSol in a 3616-year long orbit; and it would only show up here, come through, and the rest of the time Nibiru & Company were traveling back to Orion (1800 years) and then back here again (another 1800 years). They're long-lived people, so their culture took advantage of resources on this planet, from visit to visit.
Interesting. If by Orion you mean the Orion Nebula, they travelled 1340 light years in 1800 years or more than 2/3 the speed of light. Not a bad speed to travel at.
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Elites. Bloodlines beginning with Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Jacob, etc., through the twelve tribes of that racial group ... who utilized crusades to enrich themselves with Babylonian banking practices, namely the Templars ...
So the Jews are the Templars? That's a new one on me.
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who then became the founding 300 families of Europe and who today own most of the world (they think). Elites today are industrialists, bankers and coupon-clipping globalists.
"Coupon-clipping globalists"? What do you mean?
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Why do humans obey the wishes of the ETs? Humans taught the ET cosmology (Occultists, New Age, Rosecrucians, Masons, Theosophists, etc) because it's COOL TO BE COOL.
First, the [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian"]Rosicrucians[/url] are a joke. They were prophecying that the enlightened ones would reveal themselves - and then the Rosicrucians didn't so they decided they must be them.
Second, you're equating the belief system of the patriarchal ritual-centered followers of the Supreme Architect of the Universe with the no true way fluffy New Agers. Wait, what?
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Elites are commanded to maintain secrecy of the Annunaki teachings by their hierarchy MASTERS. Ask any Mason. ... But the A-liens are not overlords in any direct sense. They have their own lives, their own Monarchy, hierarchical systems, technologies and problems ... albeit similar to our own. They're divided into factions, as we are.
I'm having distinct shades of The Masquerade here. Without a Sabbat.
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Kyzyi, the Mayans have pictographs of saucer craft, and their number system is similar to the Sumerians who learned from the Annunaki.
And we, of course, use Arabic numerals for a lot of very good reasons. I'd hate to design a starship using representational algebra - how many lines do you need? Arabic numberals are quite simply more usable than Mayan. But representational (or abstract representational like Roman numerals) are far easier to invent than abstract numerals. seems they aren't that advanced.
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Likewise, the Egyptians. There are pyramids all over the planet having similar architectural specifications, is another clue.
Is this to do with four sides and a wider base than tip? Or is it the Golden Ratio showing up everywhere?
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Originally posted by Justinian:
"Coupon-clipping globalists"? What do you mean?
If she's saying what I think she's saying, she's out-of-date. Stocks which paid dividends used to have coupons that you sent in to collect your dividend. People who had enough money invested to live without working were said to clip coupons. Nobody has used coupons (that I know of...) for decades. Computerization has made all of that seem charmingly quaint.
So she seems to be dissing jet-setting rich people.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
While trying to find details for SusanDoris, I came across this site, which does not entirely seem off topic. Exposing du Sautoy
Well no, but it does seem to be the ravings of a crazed yeccy loon on a crusade against science.
I saw the du Sautoy programme. It was quite interesting - in a BBC-popular-science-over-glossy-shallow sort of way. (The noble exception to that being the very wonderful The Skyt at Night of course). I don't recall anything worthy of the shrieking vitriol on the website you linked to.
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Penny S
Thank you for the interesting links. I notice in the second one that one of the comments includes:
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If I’ve read your article correctly, you are hostile to du Sautoy because his programme is somehow anti-Christian.
I think he would like the strength of his arguments to help towards a realisation that atheism is the best choice!
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
British Royalty, although claiming to be the head of the Anglican Church but being members of secret and civalric orders, were responsible for the founding of Tavistock (the psycho-puzzle palace
And I always thought that Tavistock was the pleasant little town we passed through on our way to Cornwall...
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This thread is in poor taste. We should not make fun of the mentally ill.
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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
British Royalty, although claiming to be the head of the Anglican Church but being members of secret and civalric orders, were responsible for the founding of Tavistock (the psycho-puzzle palace
And I always thought that Tavistock was the pleasant little town we passed through on our way to Cornwall...
According to information on that notably reliable source, the internet, Tavistock was founded some time before the Norman Conquest and was given a market charter in 1105 by King Henry 1. I suppose that could be construed as being 'founded' by the British royal family although the town must have existed for some time before then - yes, here it is in the Domesday book.
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This thread is in poor taste. We should not make fun of the mentally ill.
Not in purgatory, but there is a similar thread in Hell where we can have our fun.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
I think a better point to make would be that the traditional view of the incarnation of Jesus, while in one sense supernaturally fantastic, doesn't require serious breaches of the laws of planetary motion.
Oh, you mean like the star over Bethlehem which led the Wise Men to the manger?
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How can we take seriously anyone who presents a view of the world that requires us to believe that civilization predates the earliest possible point for human history to begin, as conclusively demonstrated by Fomenko's New Chronology?
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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I think a better point to make would be that the traditional view of the incarnation of Jesus, while in one sense supernaturally fantastic, doesn't require serious breaches of the laws of planetary motion.
Oh, you mean like the star over Bethlehem which led the Wise Men to the manger?
Which only violates planetary motion laws if you take "star" literally. It's interesting how atheists and hyper-fundamentalists have such similar exegetics.
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Emily, what is your view of Lyndon LaRouche? Some of your thinking reminds me of his.
Also, do you know the work of Dr Margaret Barker? If not, I think you might enjoy it and find that you and she have a lot in common.
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[tangent] goperryrevs: quote:
But to accept Mormonism, I'd have to accept a bunch of things that I know aren't true, like horses (and a bunch of other animals, and crops) being around in America before the Europeans introduced them...
I'm not sure that it fits the Mormon timetable but horses did exist in North America before Europeans arrived. Horses evolved in North America and migrated to Asia and Europe. Humans migrated to North America and hunted horses (DNA on Clovis tools confirms it). Then horses died out here. Thousands of years later Europeans returned with modern breeds.
But I'm generally with you on Mormon "history". [/tangent]
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I used to enjoy bear baiting too. Still do to be honest. But I've repudiated that. This is about minds stretched beyond their elastic limits. Like mine. Luckily that happened along a different axis for me. My first instinct, as with original sin, was to say that it's irrelevant, non-explanatory. Even if David Icke and his like were right and all conspiracy theorists were (and I embraced Velikovski in my time, so the axis wobbled all right), what has any of it got to do with the needs of the needy?
With the beatitudes? And which beatitudes should prevail here?
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What PITHY questions!
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
So if I've understood this correctly, our alien 'overlords' only visit when they happen to be passing through our part of the solar system. They also don't appear to hold any sanction over their appointees on Earth so it's not clear why these appointees would so clearly conform to their masters' wishes if they are subject to such lax, infrequent control.
Before I dive in here, have you read "The Holographic Paradigm"? .... just so I can gauge what to place in the background.
And if the aliens are so technologically advanced, is there no merit in following their practices and way of life?
We're 3rd Dimension Physical, but they're 5th-thru-9th Dimensional Subjective.
We don't live by the same operational rules.
We in 3D live by causes and effects.
They in 7th D live by manifesting their thoughts as on a Startrek Holodeck.
Our rules do not work for them; and their rules do not work for us.
And this is part and parcel of the problem we have with Occult and New Age Teachings: they're appropriate for a place where results, effects and outcomes OPERATE DIFFERENT than here.
There's really no MIXING the two.
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Separately, I note that you say the ROYAL FAMILY are part of our oppressive culture but that you call yourself Emily WINDSOR-Cragg. How are we to interpret what you say as the truth rather than a FALSE FLAG OPERATION?
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
(In light of Doublethink's post at 5.22pm (cross-posted with mine) the second part of my post should perhaps be disregarded.)
IN RE: Separately, I note that you say the ROYAL FAMILY are part of our oppressive culture but that you call yourself Emily WINDSOR-Cragg. How are we to interpret what you say as the truth rather than a FALSE FLAG OPERATION?
I'm absolutely certain the Royal Family CONSIDER ME as a false-flag operation. There is NO DOUBT about that!
They didn't like my Dad and they don't like me.
And that's how it is, why I say, there's nothing in this situation for me to gain.
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Originally posted by TomOfTarsus:
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
I hope I have covered everybody. If not, holler.
You missed me! But no wonder, considering the speed that this thread is moving at.
What do you think of Jesus?
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In my adoptive situation when I was five or six, the family was in chaos.
We were spending the summer of 1950 at Venice Park in California near Muscle Beach and on the way down to the beach I met a lady standing with some books in her hands. And she pulled me aside, and told me about Jesus. And I remember thinking at the time, "Gosh! He sounds as if He knew how to handle things better." So I said, "Okay, I'll give my life to Jesus ..." and I hoped Jesus would sort things out for me.
I love His methods, if not His outcome. I work at doing things His way.
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Originally posted by Justinian:
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Justinian--So the Jews are the Templars? That's a new one on me
... Jews have joined the Templars and Jesuits.
"Coupon-clipping globalists"? What do you mean?"
... People who live off interest instead of living off their own labor.
"Second, you're equating the belief system of the patriarchal ritual-centered followers of the Supreme Architect of the Universe with the no true way fluffy New Agers. Wait, what?"
... Their dogma, cosmology and operating ethics are identical: All is One, Like Attracts Like, As Above so Below, Reality is Illusion, etc.
"Or is it the Golden Ratio showing up everywhere?"
... Annunaki are masters of the golden ratio in all their architecture and art work.
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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
And I always thought that Tavistock was the pleasant little town we passed through on our way to Cornwall... [/QB]
Not at all. Tavistock and its US equivalent, Stanford Research International, are thinktanks devoted to the "Protocols of the Elders of Sion" Playbook of mercenary manipulation of populations.
Tavistock, it can be noted, is just across the street from the Archbishop of Canterbury's office.
King George V wanted the Archbishop brought up-to-date on psych-methods of persuasion.
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
Justinian--So the Jews are the Templars? That's a new one on me
... Jews have joined the Templars and Jesuits.
Why would the Jews join two groups that either (1) want to Christianize them or (2) have at times tried to eliminate them?
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"Second, you're equating the belief system of the patriarchal ritual-centered followers of the Supreme Architect of the Universe with the no true way fluffy New Agers. Wait, what?"
... Their dogma, cosmology and operating ethics are identical: All is One, Like Attracts Like, As Above so Below, Reality is Illusion, etc.
I'm going to need that unpacked for me....What on earth are you or he talking about??
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"Or is it the Golden Ratio showing up everywhere?"
... Annunaki are masters of the golden ratio in all their architecture and art work.
Well, one also could say that gravity and language are everywhere also. I'm not sure how a naturally occurring thing means that there is a higher power (or ET's or Aliens or Conspiracies, etc.)
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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
"Dogs flew spaceships! The Aztecs invented the vacation! Men and women are the same sex! Our forefathers took drugs! Your brain is not the boss! Yes! That's right! Everything you know is wrong!"
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well, there was
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every civilization has "drugs" of one kind or another
as any rehab clinician will tell ya
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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
"Or is it the Golden Ratio showing up everywhere?"
... Annunaki are masters of the golden ratio in all their architecture and art work.
The sunflower and the conch are two of their especial glories.
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Originally posted by Amos:
Emily, what is your view of Lyndon LaRouche? Some of your thinking reminds me of his.
Also, do you know the work of Dr Margaret Barker? If not, I think you might enjoy it and find that you and she have a lot in common.
Okay, now, this is fun ... following thoughtstreams.
LaRouche is a brilliant tactitician (sp?) He's mostly over my head because I'm focused on the Beatitudes and on imagery in Astronomy and NASA.
His explanations sound sensible, but I don't know ANYTHING! about Economics except what I had to learn in College Econ101 & 102.
I Googled Dr Margaret Barker, and--I don't think so. She's not an astronomy nut like I am. She's into all the folds and twirls of epistemology, and after reading Ray Dubuque, I gave that up.
I trust Jesus' methods and His Father YHVH to get me to where I need to go next. I go to Communion, and I let that be enough.
Is that enough around here?
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Originally posted by Jon in the Nati:
[QB] [QUOTE] This thread is in poor taste. We should not make fun of the mentally ill.
Not even on a bad day when everybody looks like they've got the problem you've been waiting for?
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Strange that the people who go on about extraterrestrial influences on ancient culture never seem to publish in academically peer-reviewed journals on Near-eastern societies.
They wouldn't HAVE IT!
It would wreck their chances for next year's grant!
Heaven forbid!
Some knowledge is really SECRET!
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Originally posted by PataLeBon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
[qb] Justinian--So the Jews are the Templars? That's a new one on me
... Jews have joined the Templars and Jesuits.
Why would the Jews join two groups that either (1) want to Christianize them or (2) have at times tried to eliminate them?
>>>Stalin was a Jesuit; Hitler was a Catholic honored with a Catholic funeral and six priests officiating.
It's not ours to know, why turncoats turn their coats.
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"Second, you're equating the belief system of the patriarchal ritual-centered followers of the Supreme Architect of the Universe with the no true way fluffy New Agers. Wait, what?"
... Their dogma, cosmology and operating ethics are identical: All is One, Like Attracts Like, As Above so Below, Reality is Illusion, etc.
I'm going to need that unpacked for me....What on earth are you or he talking about??
OH! Paydirt!
Check this out! It's a MSWord .doc file, two sides of one sheet of paper.
Remember, I'm a Christian, and I do not buy into the Annunaki cosmology, because "manifesting one's reality" here in 3rd Density Physical Reality doesn't work for me.
http://www.holyconservancy.org/OCCULT2.pdf
Stored in a linux environment, this document is virus free.
You wanted proof I'm not just blowing smoke?
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On the topic of proof:
Somebody asked me for this in the Hell thread, but it didn't seem appropriate there, to talk about THIS. So, here it is.
I put up the Annunaki page I have on Facebook, yesterday; but here it is again.
https://www.facebook.com/AnnunakiFromOrion#
And the Album
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.309061465893604.1073741827.175354842597601&type=1#
The planet Nibiru has been visible to some since 2003 (when Nancy Lieder began her odyssey). I've been archiving photos since about 2009 that I didn't know how to interpret.
The the images I finally re-rendered into ultra-violet (because Nibiru is a black-light planet with a black-light sun Nemesis) are here:
http://www.scienfree.org/Elenin_Files/
Sumerian writings that discuss the Annunaki culture are here:
http://www.enkispeaks.com
This is like trying to take a drink from a firehose.
Does this Forum have the capability to put up just one photo image at a time, so I can bring exceptionally clear images here?
So, if these links do not constitute PROOF to you that the Annunaki and Planet Nibiru are REAL, what would constitute such proof?
Please advise.
Emily
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