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Thread: Kerygmania: Why did Jesus not explicitly teach the doctrine of the Trinity.
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Freddy
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![[Axe murder]](graemlins/lovedrops.gif) Explanation of what?
Of why you don't revise what you said, since it can't be as simple as that...
Sure. Nothing so fundamental is ever as simple as that. But maybe a different thread would be a place to go into it.
You have to admit, though, that solving a mystery thousands of years old is pretty impressive.
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k-mann
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Originally posted by El Greco:
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By 'nobody' I assume you mean yourself.
I mean the average person on the street. People no longer use nature as anything more than a descriptor; they don't think in ontological terms as far as nature goes.
1. That is simply not true. I know a lof of people who hold to it. You aren't the center of the world, you know.
2. The facts that some people doesn't believe in it doesn't mean it's untrue.
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Jamat
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Originally posted by Freddy:
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Originally posted by Jamat:
Quote me a verse, please, that suggests the Father was ever 'within' Christ.
Here are some:
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John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 14:20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
John 17:21 You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; ..22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me;
Note that Jesus prays that He will be with us, or "in" us, in a similar way.
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Please tell me what 'exinanition' is also. (If you don't mind, that is.)
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[L. exinanitio.] An emptying; an enfeebling; exhaustion; humiliation.
The idea is that Christ went through exalted states and also states of suffering and humiliation.
Thank you for the verses and I can see the way you interpret them I think. However, I'd suggest that as you seem to, jesus is actually underlining his unity of heart and purpose with the Father. In other places he prays to the Father and that is clearly to an entity outside of himself.
IMV the evidence is for separate personalities in the one overall cosmological entity. But hey, t5he debate is millenia old. I don't think jesus ever encourages prayer to himself. Paul certainly encourages us to pray to the Father, through the Christ WHO provides a way of access IMV. and our prayers should be prayers inspired b the HS whom Jesus specifically refers to as a personality.
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Jamat ..in utmost longditude, where Heaven
with Earth and ocean meets, the setting sun slowly descended, and with right aspect
Against the eastern gate of Paradise. (Milton Paradise Lost Bk iv)
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