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Thread: Purgatory: Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad
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Demas
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So is the Ship 'church' in your view?
Or do you agree with Father Gregory that it isn't because it doesn't link belonging with believing?
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They did not appear very religious; that is, they were not melancholy; and I therefore suspected they had not much piety - Life of Rev John Murray
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mdijon
Shipmate
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You have to register don't you? Which involves signing up to the 10 commandments - and a certain view of how the net should be used....
To my mind, church involves a belief in the incarnation and resurrection. On the other hand, I don't necessarily think every member has to believe in that... so maybe the SoF is part of the church.
Does it matter?
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Timothy the Obscure
Mostly Friendly
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Father G--
I don't actually disagree with you, I was trying to describe where I think the "Jesus good/Church bad" attitude comes from--the tendency of hierarchies to act as if they own the Church being one factor among many, along with the willingness of laity to buy into that construct. I don't say it always happens, but it's a risk inherent in that sort of structure.
Back in the 1980s, William F. Buckley wrote a column about one of JPII's encyclicals that a lot of American Catholcs were disappointed in (I have no memory of what it was about--probably sex, if it got that much attention). This was about the time of the New Coke fiasco, and Buckley took that as his metaphor, saying that the Pope was giving the faithful Classic Coke doctrine, refusing to bow to market pressures, even if many would have preferred New Coke doctrine. This is not to pick on the RCC, because I know plenty of Catholics who refuse to regard themselves as mere customers (and I don't think JPII thought of them that way). But the fact that an intelligent and theologically sophisticated man like Buckley would not see the grotesqueness of that metaphor, and how that kind of thinking that has permeated Western culture corrodes our ability to see ourselves as members of the Church (or any community) is quite telling.
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When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion.
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Dwynwen
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It seems to me that the inordinate amount of time given to interacting with a screen is impeding, if not corroding, our will to communicate face to face in a community.
We are encouraging a generation of desensitised individuals who prefer to be in control of the interaction rather than sensitively reacting in a social group setting in any organisation. Self absorption not awareness of 'the other'and their needs.
I have to say that I have not experienced this in any of the church communities I have belonged to over the years. Fellowship in religious groups is how the Church began. The loving and learning therein is necessary to give meaning to our spiritual journey. I thank God for the spiritual direction I receive and for our caring community who encourage one another in the faith.
I do agree that many are shy of entering the church for whatever reason but they would be the first to protest if their parish church was no longer there.
Peace,
Dwynwen.
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Dave Marshall
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Originally posted by mdijon:
You have to register don't you? Which involves signing up to the 10 commandments - and a certain view of how the net should be used....
Thinking about this, it occurs to me that perhaps the Ship does illustrate something that might be transferable to 'real life'.
The 10 Cs are not in general related to the content of what goes on here in any way. What we've signed up to are rules that the management's experience tells them are necessary for an online community to function well. There's a historical connection with Christianity that no doubt influences who notices the Ship's existence, which in turn means most people here have some Christian connection.
But in terms of beliefs, it's only the tolerance or otherwise of who happens to be here at any one time that places any limitation on who's allowed on board. Whatever happens here arises out of interpersonal interaction while we're here. That's nothing as far as I can see to do with any belief requirement from the management.
And yet all this stuff, whatever it is that makes the Ship a community, keeps on happenning. Why couldn't real life church, 'Christianity', work the same way?
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