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KenWritez
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quote:
Originally posted by hedonism_bot:
I can only apologise sincerely for the shrill and hectoring portion of my countrymen who have been indulging in this risible behaviour.

No problem. "Stupidity is more common than hydrogen," and every day too many people of every possible group (me included) demonstrate the truth of this. If I held you all responsible for Antonia Fraser and Dawkins, you'd have excuse to hold me responsible for Fred Phelps or Noam Chomsky.

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** [Antonia Fraser] Socialite. Claims to be radical socialist, writes chocolate-box history books called "Dearest Darling Duchesses" and suchlike.

Isn't "radical socialist" and "socialite" two very opposite extremes? Also, what are chocolate-box history books? Extremely simplified pop culture history?

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Good to know that Celebrity Fuckwits Spouting Off on, well, damn near anything but especially politics is not limited to the U.S.

Come to think of it, Celebrity Fuckwits Spouting Off might make a good television show. We can change the name to a more "politically correct" title such as "60 Minutes", "20/20", or "This Week with Cokie Roberts and Sam Donaldson".

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Or Cross Fire. And then someone like... oh, say, Jon Stewart can go on the show and call Tucker Carlson a dick.

Wouldn't that be lovely?

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quote:
Originally posted by KenWritez
Isn't "radical socialist" and "socialite" two very opposite extremes? Also, what are chocolate-box history books? Extremely simplified pop culture history?

Not over here, I'm afraid - the far left is mad up almost exclusively of toffs. I belive that the Workers' Revolutionary Party once had a working-class member, but they threw him out for using the wrong knife for the fish course. And Lady Antonia Fraser's books tend be composed of endless gushing about upper-class women of days gone by.

{Your inability to do quotes is quite amazing why don't you use this "" button?}

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Originally posted by hedonism_bot:
Not over here, I'm afraid - the far left is mad up almost exclusively of toffs. I belive that the Workers' Revolutionary Party once had a working-class member, but they threw him out for using the wrong knife for the fish course.

And Lady Antonia Fraser's books tend be composed of endless gushing about upper-class women of days gone by.

WTH? How do they square their elevated social standing with the stereotypical socialist agenda of "nobs against the wall!" come the Revolution?

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In Leninist jargon: the lumpenproletariat in a bourgeois society have developed a false consciousness and will only come to a realisation of class interest by actions of the revolutionary vanguard elite. In Redgrave/Pinter speak: of course, the poor dears just don't know how to think, and so of course it falls to people like us to tell them what's best for them...
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Originally posted by KenWritez
WTH? How do they square their elevated social standing with the stereotypical socialist agenda of "nobs against the wall!" come the Revolution?

The same thing happens on this side of the pond. Every member of the Weather Underground in the 1970s came from a very wealthy family.

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Originally posted by nicolemrw:
i'm starting to wonder if maybe its a lack of knowledge of american history on british part. i mean, judging by sophs post in heaven, its not taught much.

do you people realize that we fought a long and bloody war for independance from you, and another one in 1812, and this practically defines our national mythology???

The letter I intend to post/send to the Guardian has the phrasing "While "1776 and all that" may be a footnote in your history books, let me assure you that it is a central part of ours".

The less educated among our citizens bookmark the "special relationship" with "we pulled your chestnuts out of the fire in WWII". Not a statement I would agree with, but a widely held opinion all the same and not one that will allow for such meddling to be taken kindly.

We are not part of the Commonwealth. We were your colony once, a long time (for us) ago, and your idiot government at the time fucked it up with us, so we went off on our own. Deal.

Like Jerry, if Bush takes Ohio by a slim margin, and that turns out to be crucial in the EC, I will hold you lot who think it's even remotely close to being a good idea personally responsible. You want the privileges, you take the freakin' responsibility that goes with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
The less educated among our citizens bookmark the "special relationship" with "we pulled your chestnuts out of the fire in WWII". Not a statement I would agree with, but a widely held opinion all the same and not one that will allow for such meddling to be taken kindly.

Eh, it's "pulled your chestnuts out of the fire twice", isn't it? (Well, in a sense, we did, but that was because we had a lot more young bodies and came to the fight late both times).

I tried, tried, tried to read the Antonia Fraser letter. I couldn't get through it. It's as fucking unreadable as her biographies. It's stylistically--what's that word you Brits use, twee?

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quote:
Originally posted by Joykins:
I tried, tried, tried to read the Antonia Fraser letter. I couldn't get through it. It's as fucking unreadable as her biographies. It's stylistically--what's that word you Brits use, twee?

Twee will do, if we're feeling kind.

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quote:
Originally posted by Joykins:
quote:
Originally posted by Amazing Grace:
The less educated among our citizens bookmark the "special relationship" with "we pulled your chestnuts out of the fire in WWII". Not a statement I would agree with, but a widely held opinion all the same and not one that will allow for such meddling to be taken kindly.

Eh, it's "pulled your chestnuts out of the fire twice", isn't it? (Well, in a sense, we did, but that was because we had a lot more young bodies and came to the fight late both times).

I tried, tried, tried to read the Antonia Fraser letter. I couldn't get through it. It's as fucking unreadable as her biographies. It's stylistically--what's that word you Brits use, twee?

Joy

Antonia Fraser is married to Harold ............. Pinter. Cut the lady some slack please.

I'd say her prose is self-indulgent rather than twee, but this isn't a LitCrit thread.

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Originally posted by hedonism_bot:

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In Leninist jargon: the lumpenproletariat in a bourgeois society have developed a false consciousness and will only come to a realisation of class interest by actions of the revolutionary vanguard elite. In Redgrave/Pinter speak: of course, the poor dears just don't know how to think, and so of course it falls to people like us to tell them what's best for them...
I think that it was George Bernard Shaw who summed up the attitude of the British socialist intelligentsia when he remarked: "I am not a friend of the working class. I want to abolish them and replace them with sensible people". [Roll Eyes]

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Originally posted by Sioni Sias
Antonia Fraser is married to Harold ............. Pinter. Cut the lady some slack please.

Why? Is this a "she's suffered enough already" argument?

Incidentally, I'm suprised that Pinter has so far declined to favour the voters of Cook County with one of his pithy poems. I'm sure that they would react favourably to being told that they are "the shittiest shits who ever shat shit"...

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"the shittiest shits who ever shat shit"...
That's shitten well written! Did Harold Pinter write that, or did you, hedonism_bot?

I =love= stuff like that, truly Rabelaisian!

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It was a parody of Pinter's rather unique poetic style, and not an unfair one (this is the man, after all, who once used the phrase "the awful pong of death" in a poem and has so far failed to die of embarrassment.) His usual m.o. is to churn out a few lines of expletive-ridden drivel, often of Sadian repetitiveness, and then complain bitterly about censorship and police states when the Independent decline the opportunity to print it on their front page.
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In fact, for those who enjoy a good laugh, here is old Harold's very latest masterpiece.
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[Killing me] wonderful, hedonism_bot!

That's almost on a par with Rabelais' famous rondeau , that

"Yesterday, shitting, I did know
The profit to my arse I owe..."
Gargantua and Pantagruel Book I, Chapter 13.

But returning to our muttons, I do not think that Americans from the "Rust Belt" of Ohio where unemployment is so rampant will take kindly to advice from Dames who dwell in Great Houses. "How'd =they= get so rich?" will be the question.

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I do not think that Americans from the "Rust Belt" of Ohio where unemployment is so rampant will take kindly to advice from Dames who dwell in Great Houses

True. If they enjoyed being patronised by condescending aristocrats then they'd be firm Kerry voters in the first place.
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True. If they enjoyed being patronised by condescending aristocrats then they'd be firm Bush voters in the first place.

I fixed your post.

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No, they'd be firm Bush voters if they enjoyed being patronised by condescending aristocrats pretending to be good ol' boys.
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Owing to the fact that residents of the Rust Belt are probably firm Kerry voters in the first place, a condescending aristocrat pretending to be a good old boy still would not confuse anyone, dear Brits.

A condescending aristocrat is a condescending aristocrat. We have our own variation of those over here, and they tell me to vote both ways. I vote my conscience, and as Louise says so beautifully, "De'il colick the waime o' ye!"

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From hed_bot:
In Leninist jargon: the lumpenproletariat in a bourgeois society have developed a false consciousness and will only come to a realisation of class interest by actions of the revolutionary vanguard elite.

Lenin never got laid much, did he? Although if Antonia Fraser is any standard of the intellectual flaccidity of Bolshie girls....

quote:
From hed_bot:
[...] "the awful pong of death"

"The awful original Atari 8-bit videogame of death"?
Harold P's "special relationship"

Or, as I rewrite it:

My poems go off
The legs go numb
The heads go blank

The arms go stiff
The feet go tired
The light goes out

The heads go off
The legs go off
Your time is up

The dead are lucky
The lights go out
The dead read no more
'Cos they don't pay the electric bill

A man bows down before another man
And says, "I wasted thirty seconds of my life readin' that crap?"

I have to confess, this whole Harold Pinter/Anotnia Frasier thing I find endlessly fascinating, like watching ants eating each other in combat, albeit I have no idea what Antonia Fraser would look like trotting home with Harold's severed arm clutched in her jaws.

From Pinter's website, "Harold Pinter has been made a Companion of Honour in the Queen’s birthday honours list for services to Literature."

The Queen decided to invite him to her birthday party because she likes to read him whilst sitting on the pot?!

[You code like you vote: stupidly.]

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Originally posted by KenWritez
I have to confess, this whole Harold Pinter/Anotnia Frasier thing I find endlessly fascinating

I have always thought that their domestic life would make a marvellous sitcom. It might go something like this...

Scene : The dining room of a luxurious townhouse in Eaton Square. HAROLD is breakfasting on Multi-Cheerios and reading the newspaper. He occasionally looks up to grimace with rage. Enter ANTONIA.

ANTONIA : Good morning, dear.

HAROLD : Shitting shitty shit from a shitting arse full of shit!

ANTONIA : That's a nice poem, dear. Are you going to send it to the Independent on Sunday?

HAROLD : It's not a shitting poem, woman. I'm swearing at the newspaper. That woman has to go!

ANTONIA : But Mrs Thatcher has gone, dear. Don't you remember? You and Salman and Tariq wrote an open letter to the Guardian demanding the overthrow of her corrupt fascist junta, and only nine years later she was out of Downing Street.

HAROLD : I don't mean her, you silly cow. I mean the Queen. She's gone and made me a Companion of shitting Honour.

ANTONIA : That's nice.

HAROLD : Nice? There's nothing shitting nice about it! Now we'll have to go to Buckingham shitting palace and kowtow to the totally outmoded, puppet monarchy that is just a shitting front for Bush's illegitimate Pinochet-backed dictatorship!

ANTONIA : Ooh, I do hope Deborah Devonshire will be there. You know, she once told me the most charming little story about her ancestor, the third Duchess : apparently, she once asked one of her ladies-in-waiting to pass her the pincushion, and she misheard and passed her an actual cushion. Isn't that fascinating?

Pause

HAROLD : Shit.

...and so on.

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Well, looks like The Guardian has called it quits, but not before garnering more votes for Bush. [Snigger]

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You really know how to salt a wound, dontcha, Ultraspike?

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I notice that the local branch of the Democrats, as it were, advised the Guardian it was a stupid thing to do. If Bush wins by a nose in Ohio, and the election by one state...

What on earth possessed them? Quite apart from the obvious objections, when one is considering approaching citizens of one of the most devoutly Christian nations on earth, why the hell did they think Dawkins would be well received? Perhaps their next ripping wheeze will be to get Gene Robinson to advise the Nigerians in their next election. Tossers, the lot of them. Lenin would have had them shot for being objectively counter-revolutionary.

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quote:
Originally posted by Callan.:
If Bush wins by a nose in Ohio, and the election by one state...

I'll throw the biggest party I can!

quote:
Originally posted by Callan.:
What on earth possessed them?

Stupidity.

quote:
Originally posted by Callan.:
[...] why the hell did they think Dawkins would be well received? Perhaps their next ripping wheeze will be to get Gene Robinson to advise the Nigerians in their next election.

On a more Purgy note, it's ignorance of US culture by the Guardian editor and letter writers. Being on the Ship has taught me that Brits are not Americans with odd accents who live overseas. British and US culture have some common references, but many differences as well, and trying to comprehend and sympathize with the differences is difficult, I think in part because each expects to find congruency in the others who look and live so similarly.

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After election, I expect somebody to remember that I said Kerry would win and should he win, pls remember me and throw a lot of alcoholic chocolate in my direction. I will need it. Thank you.

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I hope people are joking, but maybe there really are people stupid enough to change their vote because they are annoyed at someone.

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quote:
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I hope people are joking, but maybe there really are people stupid enough to change their vote because they are annoyed at someone.

It is worrying, but possible- if they're not too bothered about politics, and couldn't be bothered to use their vote, and then they get a letter from someone they've never met telling them they think he should listen to them because they obviously haven't thought much about it... That might do it.

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quote:
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I hope people are joking, but maybe there really are people stupid enough to change their vote because they are annoyed at someone.

If they are so "smart" as to vote for the Democrats in the first place, won't they be smart enough not to change their vote because of the cranks at the Guardian?
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According to their own off the record politicians:

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One senior local politician, speaking off the record to avoid offending his neighbours, said: "They picked the wrong county for many reasons. One is, we're very parochial. When people talk about The Guardian of London, they think you mean London, Ohio, which is in the next-door county. Another is, we have some issues with literacy round here."


being too smart isn't going to be a problem [Eek!]

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As a Guardian reader I think that you should vote for neither of them. So there you are, Guardian readers, like Anglicans, do not speak with a united voice.

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Well President bush does trust those pesky people from overseas so we can't see this web site.

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Jerry Boam
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The dim bulbs at the Grauniad have gone on to confirm just how stupid and clueless they really are. They called for the assassination of Bush...

Which would leave... Cheney in charge.

Bright, bright idea, guys.

Of course, they've issued an apology for the assassination thing, but they can't take back the conclusive evidence of their imbecility.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Boam:
The dim bulbs at the Grauniad have gone on to confirm just how stupid and clueless they really are. They called for the assassination of Bush...

I don't know about US papers but British ones - even evil authoritarian conservative hate-sheets like the Mail - publish both editorial columns that are the views of the paper (in at least some sense) and opinion columns that are the views of the writer. They are usually pretty clearly marked out as "opinion".

The Granudain does this more than most. Every day it'll have 3 or 4 pages of quite often contentious views. They can come from just about anywhere politically. I've seen people like Richard Perle and Henry Kissinger in there.

The piece you are talking about:

1) was not the official line of the paper

2) was meant to be funny

3) succeeded in being funny

4) got pulled from their website because namby-pamby Americans who, unlike the Irish and Australians don't shaer our robust British traditions of political argument, complained about it. Wimps. Your congressdudes are always so polite. They should spend more time slagging each other off. Maybe they'd attract moe attention that way.

Like I said before the really silly thing about all this storm in a teacup is that some Americans seem to care about it, to be genuinely annoyed. I don't see why they even noticed.

No-one here cares what the Tri-County Courier Express thinks about British politics. Why shoult the Yanks care about the Garunadai?

You guys are Top Nation these days. You are the imperial power. Your empire is bigger than ours & has been for going on 50 years.

What are you all so sensitive about?

Just get over it.

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Bush has a message for The Guardian.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
3) succeeded in being funny

You think the idea of President Cheney is funny? [Ultra confused] [Eek!] [Ultra confused]

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George Bush (snr) had Dan Quayle has his V.P. His son has Cheney as his.

I reckon they both thought "who will have a pop at us with these guys next in line? Could they be a kind of insurance policy?

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Pearls from ken:
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You guys are Top Nation these days. You are the imperial power. Your empire is bigger than ours & has been for going on 50 years.

What are you all so sensitive about?

I thought the point was that we're not sensitive enough.

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I have heard (can't confirm) that Bush carried Clark County, Ohio by 1600 votes.

I wonder if the attempted intervention of the Guardian had any effect.

Moo

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The Guardian must have a list of the names and addresses they gave out, so they could be contacted to find out what effect the letters had.

There was such a negative reaction here and in direct the responses to the Guardian that it can't have had the effect they were hoping for.

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Buried somewhere in the Jerimiad which has been the Gruaniad for the last few days (one of it's writers even claimed that Bush's victory was the reason that everyone on the tube looked miserable on Wednesday morning - as we all know, London commuters are normally given to whistling happy tunes and greeting strangers cheerily as they make theur way to work) was a claim that Cook County swung to Bush by 3%, which was no more than the rest of the Buckeye state. And I don't think that even Richard Dawkins could piss off 160,000 Democrats into voting for Bush.

I was amused to note that at least one Democrat blogger assumed that Lady Antonia Fraser was a Karl Rove sockpuppet, on the grounds that no-one that clueless and patronising could actually exist. Ah, the innocence of those who have never attended a Nicaraguan Awareness Event at the Tricycle Theatre...

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quote:
Originally posted by hedonism_bot:
Buried somewhere in the Jerimiad which has been the Gruaniad for the last few days (one of it's writers even claimed that Bush's victory was the reason that everyone on the tube looked miserable on Wednesday morning - as we all know, London commuters are normally given to whistling happy tunes and greeting strangers cheerily as they make theur way to work) was a claim that Cook County swung to Bush by 3%, which was no more than the rest of the Buckeye state. And I don't think that even Richard Dawkins could piss off 160,000 Democrats into voting for Bush.

I was amused to note that at least one Democrat blogger assumed that Lady Antonia Fraser was a Karl Rove sockpuppet, on the grounds that no-one that clueless and patronising could actually exist. Ah, the innocence of those who have never attended a Nicaraguan Awareness Event at the Tricycle Theatre...

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quote:
Originally posted by Ultraspike:
Bush has a message for The Guardian.

That's charming.

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Here is an article in USA Today about the effects of the Guardian initiative.

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Makes you wonder how many wavering Shipmates were inadvertantly persuaded to vote Republican because of the *helpful* debates on US foreign policy on the Ship.

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bumping this for the benefit of hoppik.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
3) succeeded in being funny

You think the idea of President Cheney is funny? [Ultra confused] [Eek!] [Ultra confused]
No but I think the idea of President Cheney being the next one to get done over would be, could we throw in Tony ( [Big Grin] Blair [Big Grin] )on a two for one deal. the bastards ought to be culd on a regular basis just to keep them on there towes.
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I think that President Rumsfeld would be much better ... any chance of it?
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