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Thread: Purgatory: Christian/Biblical Perspective on Oral Sex?
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Is this a hell thread that missed it's appointment?
Why - do you want it? Well, you shan't have it. It's our runt and we're proud of it.
Thus spake the Purg-ly Host.
Now where does a Duo Seraph fit in the Choir of Angels?
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Grits
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Yes, but she posted that before the dazed and confused post-New Year's Eve crowd got hold of it.
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ereiamjh
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A Teenager walks into a pub and asks the Landlord to line him up 7 shots of Goldschlager (a cinnamon schnapps liqueur with 24k gold flakes floating in the bottle). The Landlord asks what the special occasion is.
"Just had my first blow job" the lad replies.
"Well, congratulations - allow me to make it 8" says the landlord.
"Thanks for the offer, but if 7 won't get rid of the taste, nothing will!"
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Going to put the copy of Illumina I got for Christmas to good use - going to do a search to see if the Song of Songs has anything on the "Spit or Swallow" debate!
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Anselm
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
What is the Christian perspective on dancing with two women at the same time, outside of marriage?
As any good ol' baptist will tell you....
The two women aren't the problem, it's the dancing that could get you sent to hell!! ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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"dancing with Santa" ... sounds like a crossword clue, an anagram ... hmm, yes, that would be bad
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Anselm
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Puts a whole new spin on Santa's little helpers!!! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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carpe diem domini
...seize the day to play dominoes?
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Duo Seraphim*
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Originally posted by Lyda Rose of Sharon:
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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Is this a hell thread that missed it's appointment?
Why - do you want it? Well, you shan't have it. It's our runt and we're proud of it.
Thus spake the Purg-ly Host.
Now where does a Duo Seraph fit in the Choir of Angels?
3.75mm from the rest of them, silly.
And I'd just watched the Sydney Harbour Bridge explode in New Year's fireworks and lighting effects. Didn't dance with Santa though.
[ 01. January 2004, 22:59: Message edited by: Duo Seraphim ]
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by Grits:
Yes, but she posted that before the dazed and confused post-New Year's Eve crowd got hold of it.
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) How long can this "dazed and confused" thing be put down to New Year's Eve? You just can't let these Purgatorians off the leash for a moment, not one fricking moment, I tell you.
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Janine
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I thank all the nutty posters for the entertainment and all the serious ones for the discussion on-topic.
Probably we've flogged all we can out of the topic -- at least until we have the T&T pressure release.
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Sine Nomine*
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Originally posted by Janine:
Probably we've flogged all we can out of the topic
Poor choice of words with this group, Janine.
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Gremlin
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Originally posted by Janine:
Probably we've flogged all we can out of the topic -- at least until we have the T&T pressure release.
Do we have any news on when (or even whether) this will be?
Would this be the third coming of T&T?... or is that as bad as a flogging? ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Janine:
depends how much you spill
And where.
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Newman's Own
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Originally posted by Mousethief:
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Originally posted by Janine:
depends how much you spill
And where.
Since I already have behaved disgracefully here, and shall have quite a bit of extra penance in Lent as a result, I may as well add to this thought :
I understand that it can be really dry by twelfth night.
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Janine
The Endless Simmer
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I'll be toasting 12th Night- special day that.
Things here will be as - um - liquid as possible.
Considering I don't drink.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Originally posted by Fr. Gregory:
Pleased to oblige!
Dancing Santas
So, Fr, Gregory--does one use a Hello Kitty Tarot Deck to channel Chastmastr?
Just wondering.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
So, Fr, Gregory--does one use a Hello Kitty Tarot Deck to channel Chastmastr?
Apparently! (Blinks and looks around, confused at having been summoned so)
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"...I mean, when a magician in The Arabian Nights calls up a Jinn, it has to come. We had to come, just like that." ... "And now we know what it feels like for the Jinn," said Edmund with a chuckle. "Golly! It's a bit uncomfortable to know that we can be whistled for like that. It's worse than what Father says about living at the mercy of the telephone."
-- C.S. Lewis, Prince Caspian
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Eutychus
From the edge
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Somebody somewhere on this thread asked whether there was anyone apart from that couple caz knew who thought oral sex was A Bad Thing. If memory serves, that famed christian bestseller The Act of Marriage by Tim and Beverly LaHaye goes on about how evil and/or life-threatening it is (I seem to remember some stats about cervical cancer...??).
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
(reason number 805 why I love chatmastr so)
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Caz...
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Originally posted by eutychus:
...If memory serves, that famed christian bestseller The Act of Marriage by Tim and Beverly LaHaye goes on about how evil and/or life-threatening it is (I seem to remember some stats about cervical cancer...??).
Seriously? I'd LOVE to know the logic behind that theory, if there is one! Anyone know?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Loopiest theory I heard was that demons get in through the mouth, so.....
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Wouldn't Jesus's bit about the things coming out of one's mouth beiing more corrupting that the things going in apply here?
A clear direction to swallow.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Eutychus
From the edge
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Originally posted by caz667:
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Originally posted by eutychus:
...If memory serves, that famed christian bestseller The Act of Marriage by Tim and Beverly LaHaye goes on about how evil and/or life-threatening it is (I seem to remember some stats about cervical cancer...??).
Seriously? I'd LOVE to know the logic behind that theory, if there is one! Anyone know?
Well caz just for you I have dug out my dusty copy of this book. On pp296-7 it says:
"Some medical researchers are inclined to believeit is possible to transmit herpetic diseases through oral sex, leading in come cases to cancer of the cervix... it may well be that additional research will confirm some of these serious possibilities and expose oral sex, which some already find repugnant, as being extremely dangerous to the health".
This did give me the impression (20 years ago!) that they were rather against it. Although I now notice that a few lines up they write "we have no biblical grounds for forbidding it between two married people who mutually enjoy it".
Enter At Your Own Risk, one might say...
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Jolly Jape
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...leading in come cases to cancer...
That Freud gets everywhere!!
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Eutychus
From the edge
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Even onto my fingers?! ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif) ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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Rat
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We were having a conversation along these lines at work recently (yes, we don't have enough to do). All the women agreed that we thought oral sex was in a weird way more intimate than actual sex. I.e. we'd be way less likely to do it on a casual basis with somebody we didn't know very well.
Mind you, there were a few girls at my school who didn't feel that way, if rumour is to be believed.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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(to the LaHayes)
Is there some reason why mouth herpes causes cervical cancer, but genital herpes doesn't?
I think the comment saying that medical science was probably gonna catch up someday and find diseases for a practice "many"(coughwecough) find repugnant (show me the numbers on that one, bub) really says everything one needs to know about their standards of scientific research.
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Eanswyth
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If God didn't approve of oral sex, why did He make "things" look like tacos and hot dogs?
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Tacos?
[ETA: Oh, vulva. Ok.]
[ 08. January 2004, 04:28: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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Caz...
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Eutychus - thanks for the reply. As Kelly says I think it's a pretty weak argument but it's good to know what they said....
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Pheonix
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I think I'd agree with Rat's comment that it is (or can be) more intimate than normal sex... I'm not sure if that is because of the stigma that is still attached to it or what though...
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Little Miss Methodist*
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One of the most interesting discussions I had as a chaplain was when a student asked me what the churches position on oral sex was...
We had a discussion about it and, Song of Songs aside, couldn't remember a single Bible verse that talked about this. We talked a bit about verses in Leviticus about not spilling seed on the ground, (and there was the inevitable spit versus swallow debate) but apart from more general verses about sex, could find nothing specifically helpful. What sticks in my mind about it was that we then discussed the same issue with a group of students one evening, and were slightly surprised by how willing a christian group was to talk in depth about this issue. With the CU maintaining a hard line "no-sex-before-marriage" viewpoint, it was really refreshing to find people who wanted to discuss these things, and the relevance they had to their lives, not just in a "thou shalt not..." way, but in a way that was helpful and encouraging. Sure, we do discussions like that all the time here, but not so as much in real life.
To move on to the question of why oral sex can be seen to be more intimate than penetrative sex....
I wonder if it is to do with the views we have of things in our heads. We are taught about penetrative sex in a very clinical way at school, and it has a lot more to do with the mechanical workings of it all than it has to do with sexual desire (or at least, that was how it was in my school). So I wonder if we come away thinking very much of penetrative sex as "the norm", and anything else as unusual/strange etc. Not because anything else is, but because foreplay and oral sex and countless other things are stuff you find out from reading Cosmopolitan, not something you get in year seven biology. I'm not putting this very well, but what i'm trying to get at is, that if you stop and think about what you are doing (or thinking of doing) for a moment, oral sex suddenly seems like quite a wierd thing to do. Not the feelings surrounding it, but the physical act itself, wheras previous conditioning tells us that penetrative sex is just "normal", so maybe that thought doesn't occur to us as much? Therefore, the act of oral sex with a partner can seem more intimate, because its not necessarily the "obvious" thing to do.
There is also the fact that i'd guess that many more people are happy with penetrative sex, than with oral sex. So, between a sexually active heterosexual couple, the assumption would be that both parties would be ok (at least in theory if not in practice) with penetrative sex, but that is not necessarily the case with oral sex.
And, of course, the idea of being that close to someone is very intimate.
I think all of those could play a factor (at least subconciously) in oral sex being seen as more intimate.
On a slightly trivial note - In a reletively recent issue of Cosmo, I seem to remember reading a poll that said that most men asked said they were more likely to have penetrative sex than oral sex on a one night stand, because "oral sex was more intimate and something you only want to do with a commited partner". So now you know.
I hope at least some of that made sense. Its quite late and I know what I want to say inmy head, but the words don't seem to be coming out right!
Ah well.
LMM
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Jack the Lass
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LMM, FWIW I thought your post made tons of sense! Very helpful.
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Originally posted by Little Miss Methodist:
...but apart from more general verses about sex, could find nothing specifically helpful.
I'm sure somebody else has made the point elsewhere, but it seems to me that actually the Bible really doesn't have a huge amount to say about sex at all, and on one level I think it would be really helpful if it said a lot more and made things less uncertain! Though, in the context of a debate on oral sex, maybe the Bible's apparent silence is God's way of encouraging us to think for ourselves about what we are comfortable to do or not do rather than just looking for a cast-iron rule to apply. I think wider Biblical principles such as humility, respect and care for others, etc etc are there to be used in all situations, including when we're negotiating and deciding 'how far' each partner is prepared to go, and actually I think these principles are much more useful than something like Joyce Huggett's list of "Thou shalt nots".
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