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Gracious rebel
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Back to the original story, there is an update in today's local paper (living in Suffolk I've seen quite a lot about this man in the local press).
He issued a statement denying he ever had an extra-marital affair, and has turned down a request by two bishops to go on paid leave.
Apparently now he is now planning a private prosecution against the woman.
Very strange.
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Sine Nomine*
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
He issued a statement denying he ever had an extra-marital affair
And the baby? The baby was just left on the doorstep in a basket?
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Joyeux
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
He issued a statement denying he ever had an extra-marital affair
And the baby? The baby was just left on the doorstep in a basket?
No.... she has a top-secret lab, whereby, using only a hair that fell from the vicar's head, she extracted enough DNA to impregnate herself...
Or, more likely, the child is from outer space, and it's just a weird coincidence that there's, what, a 99% liklihood that the vicar is the father.
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Amos
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He's really a Raelian? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Joyeux
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[display of ignorance]
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Originally posted by Amos:
He's really a Raelian?
psst... what's a Raelian?
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Amos
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They are what one of my colleagues charitably refers to as 'a new religious movement', and they are into extraterrestrials and clones bigtime. I understand they are the brainchildren of a French-Canadian journalist. Try googling.
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Duo Seraphim*
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Back to the original story, there is an update in today's local paper (living in Suffolk I've seen quite a lot about this man in the local press).
He issued a statement denying he ever had an extra-marital affair, and has turned down a request by two bishops to go on paid leave.
Apparently now he is now planning a private prosecution against the woman.
Very strange.
O man, this gets better and better! ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
What a gift to the cross-examiner this man is! I must say that this is a quality imbroglio.
What's his private prosecution going to be, I wonder? I can think of a couple of unlikely candidates.
"M'Lud, this woman defamed my client by bearing a child that is 99% certain to be his."
"M'Lud, this is an action for deceit. My client was duped into having sex with the woman concerned over a period of 8 years."
"m'Lud, my client is not guilty of misconduct in clerical orders by reason of an extra-maritial affair. She is his wife in a parallel universe."
Gracious rebel, is there a link to the latest on this?
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Gracious rebel
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For Duo Seraphim (and anyone else who wants to read the story) I finally managed to locate it on our newspaper's website here I had read it in the paper version yestreday, but I think its the same
(first time I've tried to Use 'Make a shorter link' - hope it works!)
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Sine Nomine*
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From the Evening Star article:
It was revealed earlier this month that Father Gray was 99.999 per cent certain to be the father of the five-year-old son of his former organist Belinda Denton-Cardew.
...well, as long as there's an element of doubt about the paternity... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Merseymike
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We all make mistakes, and who knows whether it was a one night stand or an affair. It's the fact that he stood up in the pulpit and railed against others in the full knowledge of his own frailties.
Trying to deny the whole thing when the child is his seems bizarre to say the least. Not to mention a mite caddish.
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Pyx_e
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Is it me? or does the person in the photo in GR's link look suspiciously like a certain Mighty Pirate? Maybe Stoo is the REAL father. And as to Bishop Kieth having to deal with this. What are the statistical chances for a priest who is against the ordination of women being duped in to sex (witha women), having a son and then DENYING it .
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Clyde
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I was surprised to see that a women organist was involved. Surely she could have 'pulled out all the stops' to avoid conceiving.
(It's the way I tell em )
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Royal Peculiar
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Presumably he is prosecuting for indecent assault or assault or administering a noxious thing with intent to aggrieve or annoy ( s.24 of the offences against the Person Act) on the grounds that she took advantage of him having given him that mysterious drug which deprived him of memory or power to resist while still allowing him to procreate(Mickey finn Viagra).
Book your seats in the public gallerry at Ipswich Crown Court now. I'm sure the local economy will enjoy the boost when the media arrive en masse with their expense accounts. Perhaps we could arrange a shipmeet for the day he gives evidence.
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Merseymike
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In terms of both gender and sexual orientation, the identity of the organist suggests a rare species indeed.....
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chukovsky
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MM, I think you'd better duck and weave before jedijudy sees you saying that.
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All I can say is it's no wonder the poor dear is against women priests. Imagine letting all those sex-mad, potential rapists in skirts share your altar.
Think of the opportunities for a dedicated hussy: she could slip the knock-out drops in the chalice after the congo have partaken, wait for the unsuspecting victim to drain it - then pounce in the vestry!
Am I the only one amused by the fact that any case would have to be heard by 'High Court Judge Mr Justice Blofeld' - presumably whilst stroking a large white Persian pussycat?
Perhaps poor Revd Gray has been the victim of an evil international conspiracy?
Stay tuned for the new James Bond film 'On the Church of England's Secret Services' in which Our Man has to fight off the Vicar of Dibley armed with her case of Mickey Finn Viagra and a bottle of Tanqueray. Not for viewers of a nervous disposition.
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Sine Nomine*
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Will probably be one of the more interesting cases in Ipswich since Mrs. Simpson got her divorce. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Sine Nomine*
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Double post/tangental trivia:
Speaking of Mrs. Simpson, one of the world's best ever headlines was:
"King's Moll Reno'd in Wolsey's home town"
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Gracious rebel
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Will probably be one of the more interesting cases in Ipswich since Mrs. Simpson got her divorce.
Bit of an aside, but I'm impressed to hear that you know so much about my beloved home town even though you are far away in California!
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Gracious rebel
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Will probably be one of the more interesting cases in Ipswich since Mrs. Simpson got her divorce.
Bit of an aside, but I'm impressed to hear that you know so much about my beloved home town even though you are far away in California!
Sorry I don't know where I got the 'California' idea from - just rechecked your location - ooops! ![[Embarrassed]](icon_redface.gif)
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Double post/tangental trivia:
Speaking of Mrs. Simpson, one of the world's best ever headlines was:
"King's Moll Reno'd in Wolsey's home town"
Someone's spent too much time reading Chips Channons' diaries methinks.
Cosmo
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Originally posted by Royal Peculiar:
Presumably he is prosecuting for indecent assault or assault or administering a noxious thing with intent to aggrieve or annoy ( s.24 of the offences against the Person Act) on the grounds that she took advantage of him having given him that mysterious drug which deprived him of memory or power to resist while still allowing him to procreate(Mickey finn Viagra).
Book your seats in the public gallerry at Ipswich Crown Court now. I'm sure the local economy will enjoy the boost when the media arrive en masse with their expense accounts. Perhaps we could arrange a shipmeet for the day he gives evidence.
I'd be inclined to agree with you on the likely basis for private prosecution - s15 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 (indecent assault on a male)and s24 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861*, as you say. I am still desperate to learn more about this mystery drug. Dear me, it brings back happy memories as a law student, studying criminal law and the defences of insane and non-insane automatism to a charge of murder.
An indecent assault prosecution would be more likely to be brought by the DPP, would it not?
*Because my typing is somewhat erratic at times, I originally typed "s24 of the Offences against the Parson Act 1861".
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Glimmer
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I have asked our Diocesan Office to give me full details on Dupe Defence training but I've heard nothing.
I've asked our branch of the Mothers Union to dupe-test me but to no avail.
I've searched the Internet but found nothing.
I've tried to look dupe-able at Morning Eucharist and Evening Prayer but alas, go home alone.
I'm worried that I too may one day be duped into having sex enough times to father a child and have no means of resisting.
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Royal Peculiar
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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
An indecent assault prosecution would be more likely to be brought by the DPP, would it not?
The police submitted a file to the CPS (which acts on behalf of the DPP) and it decided not to prosecute. I can't see that these offences require DPP's consent, so there is no bar to a private prosecution . THe CPS can take over a private prosecution and either continue it or discontinue it, though. Perhaps the retired solictior who acts on behalf of Mr. Gray can clarify what the cahrges will be. I think we should be told.
[Poster duped into not using Preview post?]
[ 23. May 2003, 21:07: Message edited by: RooK ]
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maleveque
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Can someone explain the notion of 'private prosecution'? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Is this more or less the same as a civil suit in American law? Or can the defendant be jailed after a conviction, as in a prosecution by the state?
Anne L.
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Royal Peculiar
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No a private prosecution is a criminal prosecution conduted in the criminal courts in exactly the same way as a public prosecution except that it is conducted by a private individual rather than a representative of the state. On conviction exactly the same range of penalties are available for the particular offence as if the prosecution had been conducted by the state.
The most famous example recently(ish) is from the 1970s , when Mary Whitehouse ( a campaingner against what she regarded as unsuitable material in the media) brought a private prosecution against the editors of Gay News for blasphemous libel after they published a poem about a Roman soldier's sexual attraction to the dead Christ. IIRC one of them did go to prison.
The right to bring a private prosecution has been debated, but it remains as it is considered a valuable safeguard in cases where the state fails to act. The State ( in the person of the DPP) can however take over and end prosecutions which he deems to be frivolous or vexatious
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Mamacita
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Originally posted by Little Glimmer:
I'm worried that I too may one day be duped into having sex enough times to father a child and have no means of resisting.
Enough times? Um, last time I checked, it only took once. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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I have had word that an exhibit which will be used as evidence by the defence involves a fancy dress costume worn to a Vicars & Tarts charity party.
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Glimmer
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Stand back, I'm a perfectionist! I want to get it absolutely right! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by maleveque:
Can someone explain the notion of 'private prosecution'?
Is this more or less the same as a civil suit in American law? Or can the defendant be jailed after a conviction, as in a prosecution by the state?
Anne L.
No its not the same as American-style civil cases. Assuming you are familiar with the Stella awards, private prosecutions actually have to be worth something and at least partially based on reality.
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Glimmer
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Janine, I was responding to Mamacita's post.
Just a crap joke.
Yes, sadly, I suspect I could be duped pretty easily.
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Janine
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I'm sorry I was dense, LG.
And I think I too would be easy to dupe. At least, into things I really desire to do anyway.
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Caz...
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But how does one broach the subject? That's what I want to know....
Dupe me up, dupe me up real nice.....
I need a damn good duping...
Since the birth of our third child, my wife just doesn't dupe me any more. Truth, truth, truth, that's all I ever hear from her...
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Sarkycow
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If you wish to be duped, then send a cheque for £50 to the usual helltithe address, and I'll arrange it for you.
Viki, hellhost
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Pyx_e
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........... do I get a baby at the end of the duping ?
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Ohhhhhh, Ahhhhhhhh, OH BAAAAAAAABY!
(feel better Pyx_e? ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) )
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Pyx_e
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tumbprint: I can't say in case the CSA are reading this.
I once had a final demand from the CSA, in respect to the children by my first marriage. So the game is guess how much they demanded and guess how much they agreed (in the end) I really owed them. I can laugh about this 3 years later but at the time I was shitting myself, they are BIG BROTHER. Go on guess.
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Duo Seraphim*
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
tumbprint: I can't say in case the CSA are reading this.
I once had a final demand from the CSA, in respect to the children by my first marriage. So the game is guess how much they demanded and guess how much they agreed (in the end) I really owed them. I can laugh about this 3 years later but at the time I was shitting myself, they are BIG BROTHER. Go on guess.
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My guess is:
They claimed: An amount in pounds sterling equalling the weight of your first born child in grammes. Let's say circa 4000 pounds (assuming a 40kg child).
They agreed you owed: An amount in pence equalling the weight of your first born child in metric tonnes ie about 4p. Either that or you owed them nothing or were in credit.
Here what you describe is part of the jurisdiction of the Family Court of Australia under child support orders or registered child support agreements. The payments can be collected and payment enforced by the Child Support Agency. Family law is a subject I spurn as I do a rabid dog.
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chukovsky
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Why is Pyx_e owning up to having been so behind on his child support that the CSA pursued him? Even in Hell it's not exactly something to be proud of.
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Louise
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Originally posted by chukovsky:
Why is Pyx_e owning up to having been so behind on his child support that the CSA pursued him? Even in Hell it's not exactly something to be proud of.
Never heard of the CSA making mistakes and wrongly harassing people? Because I have. What a nasty conclusion to jump to.
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Ham'n'Eggs
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Being pusued by the CSA would appear to have less to do with being behind with maintenance payments than about the CSA enforcing control over what it sees as its monopoly.
I know of more than one couple who had their own maintenance arrangments in operation, quite amicably, and some time later had the CSA blunder in very heavy handedly, threatening them with all sorts of penalties unless they accepted the CSA's imposition of a lower(!) maintenance payment.
The CSA deserves a permanant thread in Hell. It has hounded a number of people to their deaths.
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Pyx_e
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chukovsky, to explain. after paying for my children through the CSA for many years I went to become a student and hence unwaged. I wrote and told them. At the same time my ex-wife came of benefits got a job and a boyfriend, all good stuff. she wrote and told them. They lost both letters. For not paying and "hiding" for 7 years I ws on their "hit list." and got a bill for £44k. I shat myself. Afetr two days of frantic phone calls they found my letter (but not my ex-wifes but the tax office proved her employment record). They agreed I owed nothing and sent my file to Northen Ireland, the place for old emabarrising files??
I now have a private agreement with my ex-wife, who is still working. I see my boys every month and they holiday with us twice a year.
So the answers were £44k and £0
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chukovsky
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Most of the stories I've heard about the CSA have been along the lines of this vicar - not the being duped into sex part, but the "I never said I wanted to have children and now she is pursuing me through the CSA and she should jolly well support them since she was the one who wanted to have them", or alternatively "why should I support the children when she has a new partner, why can't he support them, I'm not paying".
I'm not saying I've never heard of bureaucratic mixups, and I'm definitely not accusing Pyx_e of falling into the "can't pay, won't pay" category that I'm talking about above, but it wasn't at all clear that the claim by CSA was wrong because his circumstances had changed - it sounded like he'd gotten behind (the words "final demand" made me think that, you've got to admit they do imply that) as well as them miscalculating.
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Sine Nomine*
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Originally posted by Cosmo:
Someone's spent too much time reading Chips Channons' diaries methinks.
Got me on that one, Cosmo. One of my favorites. Do you think he really put benzadrine in the cocktails at his parties?
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Mr. Spouse
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I heard an interesting excuse for having 'risk-free' sex in Last Orders on BBC2 last week...
Two men talking in pub. Women enters with baby:
"That could be yours you know"
"Nah, I took precautions. I told her I had had the snip*"
*vasectomy
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Mr. Spouse
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D'oh - it's Early Doors not Last Orders!
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