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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Matt the Mad Medic:
For some funny reason I now have a burning desire to get out my old Commodore Amiga and play "lemmings"

Anyone remember that masterpiece?

Llllet's go!

I remember both masterpieces -- Lemmings and the Amiga.

I have no TV set, but my VCR and DVD player are hooked up to my old Amiga 500 monitor.
Snopes on Lemmings

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Wow. Okay, now you can play Lemmings at home via an emulator I found here.

Wow.

I am sure that, in some way, if you look hard enough, one can find Lemmings hated by some liberal, somewhere. At high levels, it could be difficult, so I am sure I had some moments of hatred for the game, albeit briefly, when the timer ran out, but in typical liberal fashion, I felt guilty. [Big Grin]

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Sarkycow
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Originally posted by Gunner:
What the feck is an "over-arching meta narrative"? when its at home?

Very very basically:

A meta-narrative is a big story, a paradigm/viewpoint, a lens through which to view the whole of life itself.

So Christianity is a meta-narrative, as is feminism.

Don't what Edward meant with the over-arching bit, cause part of the philosophy surrounding meta-narratives etc is that one isn't better than another, all truths are equal, that kinda thing. So one can't be over-arching the rest. Maybe he meant to emphasize just how all-encompassing said meta-narrative was; it arched over, and explained, the whole of life.

Or maybe he was being an ironic bugger, trying to simultaneously show both how clever he is, and how stupid other people are, for having to ask what he meant. Except clever dickedness like that just looks pretenious and ultimately stupid. Never mind Edward [Wink]

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Thanks for the explanation. One thought occurs what happens when meta narratives collide within Christianity? Ie traditional views of sexuality and a more liberal view of sexuality?

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Originally posted by Gunner:
Thanks for the explanation. One thought occurs what happens when meta narratives collide within Christianity? Ie traditional views of sexuality and a more liberal view of sexuality?

Short answer: Dunno.

Long answer: Either Christianity is a meta-narrative, and traditional/liberal views of sexuality are narratives within it. Or traditional Christianity and liberal Christianity are meta-narratives on their own. Or it's a pile of shite.

Your call [Wink]

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No you have a Kuhnian revolution. That is two metanarratives struggling for cultural dominance.

Actually I am more sure that liberal sexuality is far more a Gramscian accommodation by traditional sexulaties of other sexual perspectives. That is I do not believe it has a true radicalness towards the metanarrative at its route but concerned with the accommodation of others who may hold truly experience this radicalness inorder to remain dominant.

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Now see what you've started, Gunner!! [Ultra confused] [Help]

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[Wink] [Wink] I haven't started a thing. It isn't in my nature to ruffle feathers [Killing me] I merely want to ask innocent questions [Devil] But most of the time this place puzzles me [Confused]

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The whole liberal/conservative thing has often confused/frustrated/vexed/disturbed me on many occasions. The words come with so much baggage that they have accrued through constant misuse as prejorative terms. I would loosely be classed as 'liberal' because that is where my gut instinct draws me towards. Above you can read tortuous logic about how liberals are, essentially, illogical but I don't think the answer lies in logic. For myself, I lean towards a liberal perspective because that seems to be the more loving and less nasty side (yes, yes, I know that everyone has their horror stories about how they have been abused by liberals...). I grew up from a conservative church background but there was just something wrong, some dissonance and hypocrisy and dogma and intolerance that cannot be logically proven through philosophical sophistry but is instead intuitively perceived.
The other thing that annoys me is how if one is 'liberal' in one thing, people assume that one is a 'liberal' and thus the scum of the earth (and I am sure it goes the other way too). I think evolution is valid (after all, I am a biology student) so of course I must think Jesus never existed and attend secret communist rallies after university. Ridiculous, but people are regularly branded by others along similar (if not quite so exaggerated) lines.
This thread is entitled 'hated by the liberals', but I am a 'liberal' because, in some ways, I have been driven away by the hate I see in some more 'conservative' arguments.

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Yawn. If you wanna use long words in your post and/or debate exactly what Liberalness or Post-modernism are, then visit Purgatory.

Viki, hellhost

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[ 05. February 2003, 23:15: Message edited by: sarkycow ]

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This is hell so here goes. For me I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach when I come across AFFIRMING LIBERALS and BACKWARDS IN BIGOTRY! Each of them in a way makes my skin crawl... and just because I am not an out and out Liberal doesn't mean I'm and uncaring fundermentalist. And just because I am not sure whether women can or can't be priests doesn't mean I have sold out to the Liberals and their permissive agenda. Surely catholics in the COF will become an endangered species because we are fighting among ourselves. This weakened catholic voice means that loony free church folk will have their way within Anglicanism. If we catholics continue to cut each other's throats we leave the door open for Lay Eucharistic celebration and the end to dignified and prayerful worship.

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Sarkycow
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Gunner, sort your threads out. If you want to argue/bitch about FinF, post over here.

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I was being even handed, as always, bitching about both AffCath and FinF. [Razz] [Razz] [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by sarkycow:

Or maybe he was being an ironic bugger, trying to simultaneously show both how clever he is, and how stupid other people are, for having to ask what he meant. Except clever dickedness like that just looks pretentious and ultimately stupid. Never mind Edward

Oh stick it up your nose.

The irony in the post is that the story of 'there is one right way of doing things' is found in both Liberal and Conservative viewpoints ... but the alternative that 'there is no one right way of doing things' is in deed a 'one right way of doings things'.

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Originally posted by sarkycow:

Yawn. If you wanna use long words in your post and/or debate exactly what Liberalness or Post-modernism are, then visit Purgatory.

Oh insert it upwards into your proboscis.

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Originally posted by sarkycow:
Yawn. If you wanna use long words in your post and/or debate exactly what Liberalness or Post-modernism are, then visit Purgatory.

You're admitting, then, that all hellizens are incapable of understanding long words? You're all a bunch of 2-digit IQ lukewarmies? I'm not sure I would cop to that in public 'fI were you.

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You're here too, aren't you?

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You're here too, aren't you?

Just Visiting. [Big Grin]

Actually if I took what you said to heart, I would then be offended by what she said and not merely amused. It doesn't really help her point.

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Sarkycow
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Originally posted by sarkycow:
Yawn. If you wanna use long words in your post and/or debate exactly what Liberalness or Post-modernism are, then visit Purgatory.

You're admitting, then, that all hellizens are incapable of understanding long words? You're all a bunch of 2-digit IQ lukewarmies? I'm not sure I would cop to that in public 'fI were you.

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No dearheart, I'm saying that I don't get paid enough to read the long words and incomprehensible posts that belong in Purgatory. The Purgatory hosts do. Well, either that or they're gullible fools.

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Originally posted by sarkycow:
No dearheart, I'm saying that I don't get paid enough to read the long words and incomprehensible posts that belong in Purgatory. The Purgatory hosts do. Well, either that or they're gullible fools.

Glad to know that Orwell was right. If my words and ideas are too taxing then I will sat away from Hell.

[How about you get your code right first? Then concentrate on making basic sense. You'll sat away from Hell?]

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[How about you get your code right first? Then concentrate on making basic sense. You'll sat away from Hell?]

Code and sense are, after all, a modernist construct.

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Can Liberals have it all ways round the freedom and yet the authority of the church. How can they be met when they are often so opposed to each other. What of say Headship bveing male and found in scripture and the desire to be politically correct. Does Scripture then become trashed to serve the needs of our present western world view? [Confused]

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What of say Headship bveing male and found in scripture
What of say accepting that might be what you think, but ain't what some other people think?

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Can Liberals have it all ways round the freedom and yet the authority of the church. How can they be met when they are often so opposed to each other. What of say Headship bveing male and found in scripture and the desire to be politically correct. Does Scripture then become trashed to serve the needs of our present western world view? [Confused]

Sorry, but this really doesn't make sense.

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Sorry, but this really doesn't make sense.

Which I think answers Gunner's question... [Two face]

Gunner asked, how do you reconcile authority of the church with freedom of the individual? You replied, it doesn't make sense.

In my book, that's 1-0 to the Arsen*l.

The only other reply so far has gone for the unfortunate straw man of male headship. Any advances? It's not that difficult. [Wink]

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I can't answer Gunners non-question about "politically correct" not being reconciled with "headship" for 2 reasons:

- It is meaningless to reconcile an abstract noun with an adjective in a non-inflected language. "Politically correct headship" parses as well as many other phrases.

- as "politically correct" is a category used by right-wingers to mock things said by the Left, its contents can only be defined by those right-wingers. I am not a right-winger, I am a Socialist. So I can't possibly know what is meant by "politically correct". It is nothing to do with me. Ask a Daily Mail journalist. They seem to know what it means.

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Dear Kim,
Not be familiar with Grammar I am at a loss as to what you are on about. Nevertheless, I do think that your response was suggesting that I am of a right-wing persuasion. Not only could that be interpreted as good or bad it is also assuming that I hold right-wing views. I doubt any of us hold clear cut Right or Left political views. Not withstanding all this I can't believe that such a clever person as yourself could graps what I was trying to say, albeit rather clumsily, about political correctness within the church. Perhaps a more accurate label would have been the permissive liberalism of the church which seeks to cosy up to the prevailing secular world view.

If you think I am wrong just look at what is happening:
The sactity of life has been erroded so that a halacust occurs in the legal death camps called hospitals and clinics. And where is the voice of the church where is the action? It is limited to a few who are called mad, bigots and fundermentalists.

Or what of divorce. The church is pandering to the world view of disposability. Anythging that has lost its interest is thrown away like an old shoe. And the church instead of being counter to such a view sanctions serial adultary each time it remarries.

What of the issue of interest payments on loans. We we really make a fuss when big business exploits the poor and ensures that they are enslaved in their poverty?

What of the issue of human sexulaity. A complex issue I know. But will the church ordain practicing homosexuals? Will they eventually say that a same sex relationship is the equivalent to a marriage and deserves a church service?

I am not a great mind but a guy who struggles all the time with these issues and constantly ask myself whether I am right or wrong. In the end I have to be true to my conscience. But in doing so many other chiristians make you feel like some hate filled bastard!

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You know, I'd hate this thread to descend into yet another discussion of homosexuality. I'd also hate it to turn into a copy of a Purgatory thread (such as this one, on abortion).

So how about y'all find something more to discuss based on the OP, or I'll close the thread?

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Gunner, I never know which it is with you. Either it's option a) your head is so far up your bottom you really can't tell the Christians from the crap; or option b) you really can't make the connection between how you ignorantly judge huge sections of Christendom, finding them summarily 'guilty', and why it is some of these condemned people bite back at you?

By all means shoot off a few rounds at whoever it is you consider to be the enemy. But be careful with what weapon you choose. You're very good with the blunderbus and buckshot, which means one pull of the trigger and everything in sight gets riddled with holes, and quite frankly the only safe place to be is where you are, behind the gun!

When you refer to 'the church' doing all the things you've listed in your post, do you really mean every living, breathing Christian alive on the planet including yourself behaves like this and promotes this kind of behaviour? Of course, not. So, hold fire on 'the church.... this', 'the church.... that' crap. Just think for a moment what, or better still who, you mean by 'the church'.

Do you mean everyone who holds to a more liberal theology than your theology behaves like this and promotes this kind of behaviour? That does narrow it down a bit, and if that's your honest opinion then so be it. But don't be surprized when liberals, like myself, come back and challenge what would appear to be an ignorant, misinformed and utterly untruthful view of liberal Christianity.

FWIW, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with your mind; but there aren't many of us around whose minds couldn't be improved at least by a little bit of broadening (myself included, of course, which is why I enjoy the boards!). So before you pull the trigger on that old blunderbus of yours, check out that it really is an enemy of God's kingdom you've got in your sights, and not simply some poor sod whose practice of Christianity differs just significantly enough from your own to prevent you from recognizing them as the co-worker with Christ that they really are.

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