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Jeff,
You really think you're telling us things we've never heard of or considered before?
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
Yes I do know other people have had changed lives through other routes but where is the large scale changing of lives? Where are the communities of people who together are showing what God is like? Liberal christianity seems to fail miserabaly in this!
Welcome to the Ship, Jeff.
I'm nearly as new as you. When I arrived on the Ship, I wanted to debate an issue on a Hell thread ![[Embarrassed]](icon_redface.gif) . Someone rightly pointed out that Purgatory, not Hell, is the place for reasoned debate.
If you want to start a reasoned debate on 'what form of Christianity is most effective at changing lives', may I suggest that you start a Purgatory thread on that topic? I suggest that you have a look at the existing Purgatory threads first, just in case someone's already started a thread similar to that.
Meanwhile, enjoy the Ship ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Karl - Liberal Backslider:
Jeff, matey, evangelical is not mainstream. It's evangelical. It's part of the arrogance of much evangelicalism that it thinks it is Christianity, but it ain't so.
I don't think we think we are all of Christianity. But we do think that our theology is orthodox and in the mainstream of Christian teaching down the centuries. Just as we might think that our practices and style of worship are adapted to cultural circumstance.
To parody a lot of posts on all those other threads:
- the evangelicals are trying to express the religion of 1st-century Palestinian shepherds in the symbols of 21st-century American college students
- the liberals are trying to express the religion of 19th-century German philosophy lecturers in the symbols of 14th-century Italian priests
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strathclydezero
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Originally posted by ken:
- the liberals are trying to express the religion of 19th-century German philosophy lecturers in the symbols of 14th-century Italian priests
Errr ... no ... we're not all. You are again making the assumption that liberal = anglo-catholic. Wrong.
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
why so many contributors seemed to be cynical about groups of Christians who are simply trying to be biblical and to be passionate about God and his ways.
'cos you've wandered into the online equivalent of a lot of people who half know each other having a bitch session in the pub after a hard day's work and trying to let off some steam.
Some of the same people would be using different language in different contexts.
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The one thing that best settles the dust when the cocks of both camps strut and crow and slash at each other with their razor-augmented spurs is this:
Disaster!
Usually natural. Around here, involving high winds, high waters and frightened snakes.
Amazing how the feathers smooth down, the crowing turns to sweet concerned clucking, and the left-winged roosters and right-winged roosters all stand shoulder to shoulder and serve.
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Originally posted by strathclydezero:
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Originally posted by ken:
- the liberals are trying to express the religion of 19th-century German philosophy lecturers in the symbols of 14th-century Italian priests
Errr ... no ... we're not all. You are again making the assumption that liberal = anglo-catholic. Wrong.
Er, no. I was just pointing out that it is just as stupid to say that as it would be to say the other thing about evangelicals - which has been said at least twice by others round here in the last few days.
Only an idiot could think that all, or most, or even very many liberal Christians are anglo-catholics, because anglo-catholics make up at most about a third of a percent of all the Christians in the world.
The other way round - that most anglo-catholics are theologically liberal - is probably true, but as you would I'm sure point out only of interest in the British Isles and a few odd bits of ex-colonies
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Wrong, Kenneth - the evangelicals are trying to express the religion of a 16th century civic tyrant in the symbols of 19th century emotionalism
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Originally posted by strathclydezero:
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Originally posted by ken:
- the liberals are trying to express the religion of 19th-century German philosophy lecturers in the symbols of 14th-century Italian priests
Errr ... no ... we're not all. You are again making the assumption that liberal = anglo-catholic. Wrong.
SCZ Wrong surely you have noticed all the Liberal Baptists who walk around in 14th century pristly garb?
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Originally posted by ken:
Er, no. I was just pointing out that it is just as stupid to say that as it would be to say the other thing about evangelicals - which has been said at least twice by others round here in the last few days.
OK I was having a mildly hellish little dig at anglo-catholics as well, because small in numbers though they are there are an awful lot of them round here... but not, I don;t think all liberal Christians are anglo-catholics, I really don't.
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Originally posted by Lurker.:
Then again, judging by the response of some clueless fundies to 9/11/....
Listen, MerseyMike, I am SO SICK of your blind hatred and bashing of evangelicals...
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
Its very noticable though that my pro-mainstream christianity views seem to have upset more people than a thousand more liberal contributions have!
Earth to Jeff: liberals are part of the mainstream.
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I think most people contributing need to widen their horizons themselves because they seem to have a view of mainsteam Christianity that involves every cliche going. Have a look at what's really out there!
You don't know Thing One about the people contributing here. We know very well what's "out there" - some of it's great, some of it's bullshit. Guess what part I think you inhabit.
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Yes I do know other people have had changed lives through other routes but where is the large scale changing of lives? Where are the communities of people who together are showing what God is like? Liberal christianity seems to fail miserabaly in this!
Some conservative/evangelical communities do show what God is like. Some don't. Same with liberal communities.
And lives aren't changed "large scale" - they're changed one at a time. You can have a stadium full of people waving their arms and crying and promising they'll be different in the future. And it means precisely squat.
Grow up and get a clue. And learn to type. And learn to capitalize "Christianity."
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Originally posted by RuthW:
And lives aren't changed "large scale" - they're changed one at a time. You can have a stadium full of people waving their arms and crying and promising they'll be different in the future. And it means precisely squat.
RuthW, darn it, this is very good. ![[Not worthy!]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
...where is the large scale changing of lives? Where are the communities of people who together are showing what God is like? Liberal christianity seems to fail miserabaly in this!
Ah, so 'large scale changing' is better, is it? Do you mean lots of people all at once?
Please tell me all about the communities of people who together are showing what God is like. It would be nice to have the instructuons so we can build one at home. We don't want to be Failed Liberal Christians, no sir.
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RuthW
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Thanks duchess! Between you as the Calvinist steel-plated Bible-thumper and me as the commie pinko tree-hugging hankie-squeezer, we've got mainstream Christianity in a headlock, don't you think?
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"Lord, I justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna..."
Quick, somebody help! He's stuck!
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Thanks duchess! Between you as the Calvinist steel-plated Bible-thumper and me as the commie pinko tree-hugging hankie-squeezer, we've got mainstream Christianity in a headlock, don't you think?
AMEN, sistah. We are like 2 scary bookends with David and others struggling in the middle, gasping for air. note to self: I may hafta someday find a way to work Calvinist steel-plated Bible-thumper into my title under my avatar.
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
"Lord, I justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna, justwanna..."
Quick, somebody help! He's stuck!
David
No - he's not stuck - it's the new Christian rap act down at First Methylated Church Family Praise Outreach Ministries on Nineteenth and Main....
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Well, to my mind mainstream christianity has by definition to be based on core biblical teachings, otherwise it ain't mainstream. That's not arrogance. That's just following logic.
The bottom line is 'does this other person have a genuine relationship with God', whether they use a liberal, evangelical or any other label. If someone knows God, then I can't say 'I don't need them' anymore than they can say 'I don't need you.' Together we have the mind of Christ. However in working out that relationship there are core issues in which only one answer can be true i.e. if one says 'Jesus is the only way to God' and the other says 'all roads lead to God', then by definition only one can be right. So I'm all for lots of debate to get at the truth. Let's just recognise that there is a truth out there, not just a contradictory set of opinions.
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Originally posted by Featherstone mainstream christianity has by definition to be based on core biblical teachings, otherwise it ain't mainstream. That's not arrogance. That's just following logic.
Bollocks.
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Oh My God ... you really are a complete moron, aren't you Jeff? I know God, but you're a fuckwit. Go on, condemn me, you wouldn't be the first. If you want to debate I suggest you take this topic to purgatory, where someone might be willing to be more reasonable.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
Well, to my mind mainstream christianity has by definition to be based on core biblical teachings, otherwise it ain't mainstream. That's not arrogance. That's just following logic.
So what's a "core biblical teaching"? Not eating shellfish? Women covering their heads in church? Choosing leaders by drawing lots?
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The bottom line is 'does this other person have a genuine relationship with God', whether they use a liberal, evangelical or any other label.
Who gets to judge whether the relationship is genuine or not? Hint: it's not you.
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Let's just recognise that there is a truth out there, not just a contradictory set of opinions.
Sure. Just as long as you start admitting you don't know what it is, and won't in this lifetime.
Lord, I just wanna thank you that nimrods like Jeff periodically show up on the ship and remind me why I left the church of my youth and almost didn't recover my faith. That I continue in the faith despite them reminds me of how great you truly are.
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But Sister Ruth, why do you say that he is a Nimrod (Genesis 10:8-12)? Is he, indeed, a "mighty hunter before the Lord?" Or is it that, in sooth, "the beginning of his kingdom was Babel?" [KJV]
David
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So what's a "core biblical teaching"? Not eating shellfish? Women covering their heads in church? Choosing leaders by drawing lots?
Well a good starting point for sorting out what is biblical teaching is the Bible. If we're arguing over what it says on a particular issue, then there's some chance of getting to the truth. If we're not using the Bible as a starting point then there's little chance of sorting out what biblical teaching is. Its a bit like saying you know how to drive but you've never sat in a car. People might tend to disbelieve you.
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I've been really trying to be nice to evangelicals. Maybe even think that they might not all be the sort of deluded unthinking fundie literalists I have suffered in the past.
Then I come on and read Jeff's rants. Which are, basically, I know God, you don't, and if you did you would come to the same conclusions as me.
Prat. Take your head out of your arse and then we may start to get somewhere - but you don;t want that,Jeff. You just see this is another mission field, where you can tell us in oh-so-reasoned tones that we must have a 'Personal Relationship With God' and 'Come To Know The Truth'.
And, by the way. 'mainstream' isn't synonymous with 'conservative'. If you want to obey core biblical teaching, sell your computer and give the proceeds to the poor, then we wouldn't have to read your repetitive drivel, OK ? All of us here start with the Bible, but we don't all treat it like a car manual or a witches spell-book. Some of us use the brain God gave us to think about it in the light of reason , tradition and experience.
Apart from anything else, you prick, we were having some FUN on this thread!
Duchess....since when has Lurker been my sockpuppet ?? Or is this a joke I'm missing?
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Jeff, you obviously have a gift there. Would you like to preach again next week?
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Oh, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff!
You, boy are shaping up to be one of the more entertaining idiots we've had in Hell in a long time.
Soon, they will be lining up to insult you. Can you feel it? Yes!
Ship of Fools, let's just bow our heads for a moment and consider Jeff. Who among you is ready to give this poor silly creature a good chewing out? No need to fear, Ship!
Just raise your hand; with our eyes closed.... It's just between you and the Ship!
Yes! I see your hand, sister! And yours, brother. And yours! And yours! AMEN! AMEN! THANK YOU, SHIP!
Hands are rising all over the auditorium. Now, you who have made a commitment to savage dear Jeff, I want you to get up from your seats and make your way to the aisles.
Yes. Yes. Thank you, Ship!
They're rising! They are making their way down to torment Jeff. From the HIGHEST BALCONY in pink polyesther double-knit, curlers, and leisure suits they are streaming down!
Yes. Yes! Now, Ship, while they're making their way down, let's just close our eyes and sing that wunnerful old chorus, "IN-TO HIS HORT! IN-TO HIS HORT! PLUNGE INTO HIS HORT WITH A DAG-GG-GGER!"
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
All of us here start with the Bible
Can't wait for RooK to read this. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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ChastMastr
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I. Can. NOT. Believe. How. Much. I. Agree. With. MerseyMike. Here. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif) ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
Yo. Jeff. This is a humour thread. In Hell. If you want to debate these issues please take it to Purgatory.
AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAID...
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Originally posted by tomb:
Now, you who have made a commitment to savage dear Jeff,
... "savage"? ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
I thought you said "RAVISH!"
DAMMIT! And I was all ready, too... (stomps away)
David
or, possibly, "radish"
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"Ravish with radishes?"
Hardly seems worth getting out of bed for. Or into bed, as the case may be.
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Of course one could ravish wabbits with carrots.
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
I've been really trying to be nice to evangelicals. Maybe even think that they might not all be the sort of deluded unthinking fundie literalists I have suffered in the past.
Then I come on and read Jeff's rants. Which are, basically, I know God, you don't, and if you did you would come to the same conclusions as me.
Prat. Take your head out of your arse and then we may start to get somewhere - but you don;t want that,Jeff. You just see this is another mission field, where you can tell us in oh-so-reasoned tones that we must have a 'Personal Relationship With God' and 'Come To Know The Truth'.
And, by the way. 'mainstream' isn't synonymous with 'conservative'. If you want to obey core biblical teaching, sell your computer and give the proceeds to the poor, then we wouldn't have to read your repetitive drivel, OK ? All of us here start with the Bible, but we don't all treat it like a car manual or a witches spell-book. Some of us use the brain God gave us to think about it in the light of reason , tradition and experience.
Apart from anything else, you prick, we were having some FUN on this thread!
Duchess....since when has Lurker been my sockpuppet ?? Or is this a joke I'm missing?
Ben26
P.S - Featherstone, this is hell and the above posts are what happens when you post arrogant, unthinking, braindead nonsense in hell. Which is what you have done. All of us can read the Bible, Featherstone. Some of us engage our brains while we do so.
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Of course one could ravish wabbits with carrots.
Lavishly, with passion.
David
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Duchess....since when has Lurker been my sockpuppet ?? Or is this a joke I'm missing?
Merseymike, JOKE . Now we are even for you saying you are going to donate money to Larry Flynt's Vigil on the Plotting Dem thread[insert touche icon here].
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Of course one could ravish wabbits with carrots.
Only if its wabbit season, not duck season
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Of course one could ravish wabbits with carrots.
Only if its wabbit season, not duck season
A sense of humor. That's promising.
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Originally posted by duchess:
christmatic could be a new Christian washing machine...maybe you are being called to make one...you never know Jeff.
Washes whiter than white, eh? ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Now I'm late to this thread and not one to respond quickly to Hell rants but, hey, have to start sometime. And I didn't know you had been to my church, Scz! ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
I like, from our new friend (who I see has yet to learn how to quote properly) quote:
Its a bit like saying you know how to drive but you've never sat in a car. People might tend to disbelieve you.
Hmmm. And some of the people I see in cars make me wonder if they have learned how to drive - a bit like people who quote Biblical Truth™ and haven't a clue about real life...
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
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Originally posted by Jeff Featherstone:
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Of course one could ravish wabbits with carrots.
Only if its wabbit season, not duck season
A sense of humor. That's promising.
And he's just said something sensible on the Purg/why do liberals go to church thread. It's very disappointing, really. They just don't make idiot newbies like they used to. Back in the good old days you could count on idiot newbies either to crash and burn in 5 posts or fewer or to achieve shipmate status and stay on for years without ever saying something sensible.
These kids these days. What are they teaching in those schools?
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Sarkycow
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Come on people, let's get those cliches out and trotting again.
We can't possibly have run through them all already.
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what a thread. i thought this was hell. what did this fuckwit do to manage to get people being so bloody nice to him. even i know you dont have conversations like that in here. it was a very amusing thread started by strath, but then in comes jeff and you all start debating with him and being nice to him. maybe hell isnt all its made out to be!
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double post cos strath just told me it wasnt hellish enough, so mebbe i'm as bad as jeff?!!
the point i was trying to make was along the lines of you so-called hell inhabiting folk who cant actually manage a whole thread of hellishness without going fluffy bunny like. maybe each hell thread should start in hell, and then be moved to heaven when you all start being nice to each other and debating issues sensibly.
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Aw bless. Here's comes a little kid who's best day on the Ship was when s/he posted drunkenly 10 times in a row in Heaven - and she's now trying to lecture us about Hell.
And her comments aren't either:- pertinant to the topic,
or - an amusing tangent.
Go back and play in Heaven. Or with the traffic. Or step outside with the heavy goons, and learn about the many facets of Hell, and the capricious, unpredictable, randomly evil nature of its denizens.
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quote from Merseymike quote:
I've been really trying to be nice to evangelicals. Maybe even think that they might not all be the sort of deluded unthinking fundie literalists I have suffered in the past.
This is very poor logic. The fact that one idiot is evangelical does not mean that people like Wood are deluded unthinking fundies. You said you were trying to think that not all evangelicals are like that. The existence of one should not affect your willingness to consider each individual as you find him/her.
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You'll find many changed lives here Jeff. Mostly liberated Christians. Liberated and exploring new ways of doing things, new ways of exploring God.
Debate is neutral. There is the opportunity to make points for and points against any given proposal. If you don't like what's presented on this thread, or if you think it's derogatory then you are at liberty to post something constructive. As it is you are conforming to the stereotype you are denouncing.
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To most people, that would give a pointer that you wouldn't find a reasonably balanced, nicely argued thread about whether X is the best way to do Christianity, and if not, what an alternative is.
That kind of thread is found in Purgatory.
This is the best advice you could be given at this time, Jeff. Just be patient and be prepared and look for opportunities to share your beliefs. Learn to present them as your beliefs and not the absolute, no matter how strongly you feel that way. Learn to seek understanding and not acceptance. Believe me, a little respect and a modicum of understanding can feel like a huge acheivement. This is a "land of labels", many of which have implications I still don't understand.
Stepping into it even further (and I hope you appreciate the sacrifice I am making here, child), I will say I think many of them would say they have been "liberated" from the type of Christianity to which you and I might adhere. Our mission, should you decide to accept it, is to show, through love and humour and wisdom, that freedom and salvation can be found here, as well. And sometimes to remind them that they should be willing to listen and respect our viewpoints as much as they expect that of us.
I can promise you, Jeff, that you will learn, you will laugh, you will shake your head, you will nod your head, and you will grow as a Christian and as a human. You will be reminded of why you believe what you believe, and you will be enlightened as to why others are where they are. It can be a really good exercise in spiritual growth.
Did I mention you'll laugh? They are good people, Jeff, with just few misguided souls who will shake your soul with their ruminations. And I think some of them post while drinking...
Run for cover, kid. Incoming...!!!
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