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Callan
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Chast, you are spot on about the dialogue. No-one ever offers a reasoned objection. There appears to be no middle ground between "My word, I never knew that" and "Damn you, and Damn all your kind", usually followed by a visit to Old Nobodaddy and a fiery end.
The most recent tract has an example of Chick's clunking dialogue. When you-know-what is mentioned. Hip Skater Dude #1 replies "Are you criticising the homosexual lifestyle?" The homosexual lifestyle? Do Hip Skater Dudes talk like this? Does anyone? And do Hip Skater Dudes really have this kind of liberal attitude to homophobia? And if they do won't it take more than the assurance that "it smells of devils and death" to shift it? And do American children just uncritically believe what their teachers tell them until they are put right by a kindly fundamentalist?
This falls a little short of my definition of gritty social realism, it must be said.
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by linzc:
I thought the Royal Family were the lost heirs of King David...?
And lizards.
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Originally posted by Professor Yaffle:
This falls a little short of my definition of gritty social realism, it must be said.
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My experience of skaters is they don't give a monkeys what you do with who, just don't try and do it to them. Big Brother skateboarding magazine (owned by pornographer Larry Flint) recently ran an article on an gay am skater, it was in their usual style of sexual inuendo and smut, but still very funny. The cover of the mag was of the interviewe nosegrinding down a fair sized handrail in a pair of leather chaps and not a lot else, gotta have balls to do that, and a good sense of humour.
BTW the threat of hellfire hasn't saved one of my skater friends, but love and kindness has brought them a whole lot closer to God and accepting him.
ps. Jackass is the bastard child of Dave Carnie one of the Big Brother staff and comic genius. The big brother videos crap, shit and boob all outshine Jackass by a million miles.
The mag ran the rules to Russian Poo-let recently, the funniest and most disgusting game ever devised I think.
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JimT
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I read the new anti-creation tract and now I’m confused. In an earlier Creationist tract Chick said that geologists had determined that the earth was 1.4 million years old, based on erosion rates. Now, he says 6,000 years. He needs to check the facts of the Rock Cycle. What better place to look than in his head?
The outer layer of his cranium is densely layered with Impedimentary Rocks. These rocks have the property of being impervious to Truth. Therefore, the innermost parts of his head contain Ignorant Rocks. These are molten rocks that at times flow from his mouth, making highly interesting Ignorant Formations. The only rocks he does not have in his head are of course Metamorphic Rocks because change and transformation are impossible for him.
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Originally posted by JimT:
The outer layer of his cranium is densely layered with Impedimentary Rocks. These rocks have the property of being impervious to Truth. Therefore, the innermost parts of his head contain Ignorant Rocks. These are molten rocks that at times flow from his mouth, making highly interesting Ignorant Formations. The only rocks he does not have in his head are of course Metamorphic Rocks because change and transformation are impossible for him.
![[Not worthy!]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) Bravo, JimT, Bravo! Pure genius.
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eleighteen
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http://www.onion.com/index.shtml
Tract Writer Cites God, Jack Chick As Influences
STILLWATER, OK—Robert Welton, founder and sole employee of Inspired Word Christian Tracts, cites God and Jack Chick as the two biggest influences on his work. "God is the one I owe the most to. Everything I write draws on something of His," Welton, 44, told reporters Tuesday. "But Jack Chick, he showed the tract-writing world how to do it. Everything from This Was Your Life to Sin Busters to the ongoing Bible Tract series are pretty much the gold standard." Welton added that Mohammed and Buddha are in their graves, but Christ's grave is empty.
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Hmmm.
Either you're too thick to recognise satire (which is always a possibility) or you've just admitted that you're a troll.
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Originally posted by eleighteen:
[slight breach of copyright]
It must be true - it's in the Onion.
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Robert Porter-Miller
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I'm sure eleighteen knows that The Onion is satire Wood. Mind you alot of people thought that The Onions Harry Potter story was quite genuine and have freely quoted it - anyway, there are worse things he could be trolling on aren't there?
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simon 2
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I second Wood's proposal. Perhaps we could have a poll on the subject.
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eleighteen
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Ok... I'm trolling.. ..to an extent. There was a serious point in all of this somewhere, although it is questionable whether I have the skill to get it out.
There are two main charges that JTC is accused of. Firstly, his tracts are more likely to turn people away from Christianity. Secondly, his anti-Roman tracts may inspire hate.
To deal with the first point. As a recent(ish) convert(ish) there were all sorts of things thrown at me by a hawhawhaw-ing devil that personally put me off. A****, that tedious children's author, scary Durham evangelicals.... ..they scare a lot of others off too. I hope you can see that some of what some of you do does that. At best, it is hypocritical to accuse JTC of doing the same. And if anyone reads Chick and thinks "all Christians are exactly like that", then they already have strong prejiduces... ..they are people who only want them reaffirmed anyway and Chick will certainly do that!
Chicklets, well, they made me laugh. As someone with universalist leanings, Old lightbulb-head quoting Matt25.41 (taken way out of context of the rest of that chapter IMO) just pointed out the stupidity of the damnation that many Christians believe in. Or rather, how I thought they believed in it. Anyway, checking up some of Chick's quotes with the Bible (1611 KJV natch') encouraged me to do the same with other "mainstream" books. Guess what? I could interpret passages quoted there entirely differently too. It wasn't exactly how they said it was. So I got over my "damnation" problem, and could concentrate on God, with the help of.... Chick Tracts. My, he does work in strange ways. (perhaps I should write to Chick and tell him this story)
The second is well... ..more difficult. I think ( think ) that most Protestants have problems with aspects of the HRCC by definition. Not that would make RCs unsaved. Like I said on another thread, it's like the masons. There are weird bits that should be open to criticism, but the conspiracy theories... ...well they just make the accuser look silly.
From accounts of people who have been lucky enough to meet him, Chick seems a nice guy. I'd say he's been misguided, taken in by Rivera who in interviews was always very covincing. He doesn't come from a tradition of sectarian mistrust (and yes, I know his tracts are less than helpful when distributed in Ireland).. ..I think he sees it as wanting to see people saved. The attacks are always against the RCC, not catholics themselves. His benign (if loopy) nature is why you lot all return to his literature again and again... ....if it was real hate you'd leave well alone.
So to sum up the defence. Christians criticising other Christians 'cos their theology puts people off is hypocritical. The anti-Catholic stuff causes no real harm. And they're are a blinking good read and have helped at least one member of the ship.
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Quote from eleighteen quote:
Ok... I'm trolling.. ..to an extent. There was a serious point in all of this somewhere, although it is questionable whether I have the skill to get it out.
Why don't you just say what you think directly instead of hinting at a serious point which you're not sure you can get out.
Are you not capable of stating what you think?
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JimT
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I was deeply touched reading about Jack Chick's conversion in that it models EL18's so very closely and can even be found in his sig. I guess that explains the understandable affinity EL18 has for Chick. No wonder there is such a bond there.
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While visiting Lynn’s parents in Canada on their honeymoon, Jack’s mother-in-law insisted that he sit and listen to Charles E. Fuller’s Old Fashioned Revival Hour radio program. Jack recalls, "God was already working on my heart, but when Fuller said the words, "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow," I fell on my knees and my life was changed forever."
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My future mother-in-law gave me a copy of "Mere Christianity" when I started courting (fabulous old-fashioned word) my wife.
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Originally posted by eleighteen:
So to sum up the defence. Christians criticising other Christians 'cos their theology puts people off is hypocritical.
The issue is not theology but style of evangelism. No matter what nutty stuff I believe, if I keep it to myself, I'm not harming the reputation of the church. But f'rinstance, if I decide that it would be cool to run around naked handing leaflets out entitled 'One day you too will stand naked before the Judgement Seat of the Almighty', I think I would be harming the cause of the gospel (particularly given my bod!) and a brother or sister in Christ would be fully entitled to give me a good dressing down.
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The anti-Catholic stuff causes no real harm. And they're are a blinking good read and have helped at least one member of the ship.
Who says the anti-Catholic stuff causes no harm? If as I and others here maintain, it is a fabric of lies and unfounded inuendo, it again makes Christians and Christianity look bad. Remember that Jesus spoke about the 'unforgiveable sin' only once and that was in the context of the Pharisees attributing the work of God to Satan. Isn't that precisely what Chick does in his anti-Catholic tracts?
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Sometimes I wonder if Chick uses the idea of the pious fraud to justify printing stuff that isn't true, just so that souls can be saved.
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Nah, Linzc, they're just keeping the seat warm until the Son of David returns.
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Callan
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Eleighteen,
God is a god of truth and is worshipped in spirit and in truth. He commands us not to bear false witness against our neighbour.
It is therefore reasonable to object to the oeuvre of a man whose output appears largely to consist of slander.
That Chick tracts may have been instances of grace for some people is not a defence. Christ's Passion wouldn't have happened without Judas Iscariot.
Which part of that was difficult?
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by eleighteen:
Old lightbulb-head quoting Matt25.41 (taken way out of context of the rest of that chapter IMO) just pointed out the stupidity of the damnation that many Christians believe in. Or rather, how I thought they believed in it. Anyway, checking up some of Chick's quotes with the Bible (1611 KJV natch') encouraged me to do the same with other "mainstream" books. Guess what? I could interpret passages quoted there entirely differently too. It wasn't exactly how they said it was. So I got over my "damnation" problem, and could concentrate on God, with the help of.... Chick Tracts.
I could say exactly the same thing about liberal politics and Rush Limbaugh; watching various friends get into his radio programme (back in my more conservative days) I checked him out and by his sheer unfairness toward his opponents, inspired me to check out what they actually said, and I found that it made more sense to me than the politically conservative side. For years, in fact, I've commented to people how Rush Limbaugh helped me become more liberal, O irony, etc.
It does not therefore follow that either Chick or Limbaugh, by being so horrid that *some* people decide to look closer at the facts and therefore reach better conclusions, is doing something good and blessed by God. Not to mention the scary number of people who are uncritically led astray by either of them.
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I can't fully undrerstand CM's example, not being American, but I think I get the drift. In the same way I can say that Margaret Thatcher made me a socialist. That doesn't mean to say that I have any liking for the mad bitch.
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LatinMan
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The anti-Catholic stuff causes no real harm.
How do you know?
I have met some people, and not unintelligent or evil people either, who believe some awfully stupid stuff.
If we changed the subject from Chick tracts to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and Catholics to Jews, would you still say "the anti-Jewish stuff causes no real harm"?
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Originally posted by eleighteen:
Ok... I'm trolling.. ..to an extent. There was a serious point in all of this somewhere, although it is questionable whether I have the skill to get it out.
eleighteen,
You've had a scattering of hostly advice leading to hostly warnings on this thread. You've now bagged a member administrator on your case. Take them seriously.
You've admited you were trolling. The rest of the post makes some effort to mitigate that (though will doubtless prompt further outrage due to content, but that's your look-out). This is Hell, but it's a high quality Hell. If you continue to troll, then you will be on suspension. If you desist, you may stay. Enjoy the heat.
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simon 2
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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was what I was thinking of when I posted last time, but figured it might bring around an application of Godwin's law. Some people are still using them to stir up hate, claiming that although factually inaccurate the spirit behind them is still truthful, for an example see:
http://abbc.com/islam/english/toread/pr-zion.htm
(sorry my browser is rubbish so the prev. post and url buttons dont work)
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LatinMan
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Simon 2 informs us:
Some people are still using them (the Protocols) to stir up hate, claiming that although factually inaccurate the spirit behind them is still truthful...
One would be merely horrified if the people publishing excrement like the Protocols really believed they were factual. But when they admit they are publishing lies because the "spirit behind them is still truthful" that has to be pure malice.
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[Tangent here...]
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
<snip!> I could say exactly the same thing about liberal politics and Rush Limbaugh; watching various friends get into his radio programme (back in my more conservative days) I checked him out and by his sheer unfairness toward his opponents, inspired me to check out what they actually said, and I found that it made more sense to me than the politically conservative side. For years, in fact, I've commented to people how Rush Limbaugh helped me become more liberal, O irony, etc.
It does not therefore follow that either Chick or Limbaugh, by being so horrid that *some* people decide to look closer at the facts and therefore reach better conclusions, is doing something good and blessed by God. Not to mention the scary number of people who are uncritically led astray by either of them.
As one of the few shipmates who enjoy Rush Limbaugh's show (occasionally when I spend the night over my mom's and wake up to her blasting it), I feel this is a rather unfair comparison. I don't agree with 100% of what RL says [or of his characters mocking some of the Left] but the man is only a political entertainer and not masquerading as a religious-know-it-all.
I feel the same way you do but in an opposite way...I used to consider myself a Liberal and found myself swayed a rather similar way [not naming names here to avoid starting another tangent].
I think the comparison's a bit tad too harsh my friend.[/Tangent Over]
I think Jack Chick has helped me in a way...I found some of his accusations so incredulous that I checked them out for myself...brought them into the light, so to speak. I went to www.catholic.org and other places...talked to people and came to the scary conclusion I had more in common with my theology (scary Reformed Calivinist here] with Catholics then mainstream Protestants. (not saying I agree with Catholics on everything but I don't agree they worship Mary...that they are all not saved..etc..etc..).
In only that particular vein , Jack Chick has done some good. In the other, he has disgraced many by having a few tidy facts hiding in a boiling pot of simmering poison. ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
[A little less Fosters might help.]
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ChastMastr
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Well -- no offence to you meant re Limbaugh -- my position remains the same -- the people I've known who were fans of his treated him first as an alternative news source to the "liberal media" -- then they treated him as their main news source -- then they treated him as their primary source. If he said it, they took it as fact. He seemed to me to pretty much bring out the worst in them. Maybe he's changed in the last few years; but whether he sets himself up as a non-news source, many people here (not only my acquaintances) have certainly treated him as a primary source for information.
Perhaps someone could replace Limbaugh with some other source, but I think the principle still holds -- someone you believe is being terribly unfair, by their sheer (perceived) unfairness helping you see the good points you believe they are overlooking, is not necessarily doing a great thing.
Dropping Limbaugh altogether here...
If you eat something which makes you ill, and you therefore seek out better food, it doesn't mean the original toxic food was good food because it inspired you to do better. In the same way, just because someone read Chick, and because he was so twisted they sought and found a better view of Christianity, it doesn't mean Chick is doing good things.
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
If you eat something which makes you ill, and you therefore seek out better food, it doesn't mean the original toxic food was good food because it inspired you to do better. In the same way, just because someone read Chick, and because he was so twisted they sought and found a better view of Christianity, it doesn't mean Chick is doing good things.
Agreed. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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On the site I linked to earlier there is a pre-reading page, which pretty much confirms the malice (choosing the second of Latinmans options) behind the continued publication of the Protocols.
A short extract:
"They show too deep an understanding both of Gentile weaknesses familiar to us all and of the sort of mind set which
might ruthlessly exploit them for sectarian gain. Fictional or not, they were written by
somebody who knew very well the kind of men whose utterances they supposedly report. They
express a wealth of hard-headed insight in a tone of arrogant superiority which is not
unfamiliar to us either. We cannot quarrel with the comment of Henry Ford's Dearborn
Independent - which publicized the Protocols in America around 1921 -that the work was "too
terribly real for fiction, too well-sustained for speculation, too deep in its knowledge of the
secret springs of life for forgery". "
Extract taken from: http://abbc.com/islam/english/toread/prvisit.htm
I believe it shows the hatered of one particular race and the bigotry of the author. Reading such bile, has made me want to investigate anti-fascist movements and has made me more liberal and open to critique of my faith. That does not make the Protocols or their publishers worthy of any praise.
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FCB sez:
On the whole comics question, I highly recommend The Picture Bible, which contains most of the narrative sections of the Bible (this is a thick volume) in comic book style. I got it for my older son a few years ago (I think he was six or seven at the time) and he's read it through several times and now knows his Bible stories better than his theology-professor father.
I looked up The Picture Bible at Amazon.com. The excerpts look like the Bible comics I remember from Boys' Life.
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