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Source: (consider it) Thread: Hell: Phelps plans Shepard monument; Scot turns Buddhist
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Originally posted by Scot:
FRED PHELPS, GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY TEAM! You make me want to give up Christianity.

Don’t mate if we did that it would leave offensive hate filled bastards like that to run the show. After what I have read on his site, I agree about him fucking off though. He should start his own religinon as his personal crusade seems to have nothing to do with Jesus as far as I can see. That poor family grieving for there son. The idea that God hates any one is truly awful.. Fred wants to hope he’s wrong cause if God does Fred’s at the top of the hit list, fucking Pharisee. Do these people read the bible or are they looking at a different book to me? Seems to be pretty clear on what the big J thought of fanatical religious scum judging other peoples souls. I know that many in the church, my self included, fail to live up to God’s will. I have also experienced real evil in the church before now, on a personal level that time, but you have to face it down or at least stand up to it. This statue thing is beyond a joke. I presume to judge this much when the big J gets back for the final innings Fred better watch his arse. He will get a big surprise when some big hippie looking carpenter turns up says ‘...me? know you pal? your havin’ a laugh in’t ya?’ pastes the shit out of him and then tells him to piss-off .

Its at moments like this that I wish I did not hope for universal salvation. I guess nobody not even Fred is beyond the pail for a god so loving as ours but non the less what a total bastard.

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quote:
Originally posted by Degs:
Was Fred at Plano? I'm sure he would find a warm welcome in Anglican Mainstream.

Even THEY would consider Phelps too Vulgar [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
Someone took that photograph and I bet they didn't give Phelps permission to use it.

While ignoring Phelps is tempting, it does nothing for the distress of Matthew Shepard's family at this evil use of their son's name in the service of hate.

Absolutely agreed, Duo.

Why can't he get off those poor people?

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I would hope some of the outrage on this thread is occasionally directed towards our ever-on-the-moral-high-ground media. Do you think it's just coincidence that we keep reading stories about Phelps and seeing his picture plastered all over the most inflamatory of scenarios? The press has discovered a button they can press that interests and infuriates both liberals and conservatives, crossing the lines of politics, religion and our society. Phelps brings out the worst in everyone, and the press knows that. Plus, I hesitate to add, he's a great big boil on the butt of Christians everywhere, and, believe it or not, there are those in control of what we read and watch who enjoy taking a poke at it whenever possible.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Why can't he get off those poor people?

During the interview, Freddy-boy practically exploded with rage at the Shepards. Apparently he thinks that they are profiting from their son's death via donations to the Matthew Shepard Foundation. In PhelpsWorld, donations to the foundation somehow constitute a celebration of all things gay.

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Originally posted by Grits:
...he's a great big boil on the butt of Christians everywhere, and, believe it or not, there are those in control of what we read and watch who enjoy taking a poke at it whenever possible.

Actually, the hosts of the radio show on which I heard Phelps clearly consider him to be a complete asswipe, representative of nothing but his own sick imagination. The caller who Phelps finally hung up on was a Christian who took him to task for being uncompassionate. The hosts backed up the caller all the way.

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quote:
Originally posted by Scot:
Actually, the hosts of the radio show on which I heard Phelps clearly consider him to be a complete [icky person], representative of nothing but his own sick imagination. The caller who Phelps finally hung up on was a Christian who took him to task for being uncompassionate. The hosts backed up the caller all the way.

Huh. If those hosts disliked him so much, how'd he get on that show in the first place? [Confused]

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quote:
quote Scot-
During the interview, Freddy-boy practically exploded with rage at the Shepards. Apparently he thinks that they are profiting from their son's death via donations to the Matthew Shepard Foundation. In PhelpsWorld, donations to the foundation somehow constitute a celebration of all things gay.

Yeah, like he's not profiting handsomely from trashing Matthew Shepard's memory to his own ass-kissing sycophants. How much is he raking in from his fellow poison spewers? [Mad]

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I think it a matter worthy of note that my company firewall blocks any site about Fred Phelps which I try to access.

Absolute utter total and complete fucking wanker. It makes me embarrased to be a christian when I have to share my description with people like this.

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quote:
Originally posted by Degs:
Was Fred at Plano? I'm sure he would find a warm welcome in Anglican Mainstream.



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I understand that Phred had planned to protest Christ Church Plano, (the organising parish) as a "fag church"! [Killing me]

I don't know however if he actually showed up or not. [Projectile]

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I was reading my book (The Battle for God by Karen Armstrong) on the tube this morning, and it reminded me of this thread:

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Carl McIntyre...saw hidden enemies everywhere. The mainline denominations themselves were part of a satanic plot to destroy Christianity in America.

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[In the 1950s] McIntyre reached thousands more in his Twentieth Century Christian Hour, a radio programme which condemned all Christians who did not subscribe to his theology of hatred, and all liberal clergy, who might seem loving and Christian to the uninformed, but who were really "atheistic, communistic, Bible-ridiculing, blood-despising, name-calling, sex-manacled sons of green-eyed monsters."



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quote:
Originally posted by Kÿralessa:
Huh. If those hosts disliked him so much, how'd he get on that show in the first place? [Confused]

Are there no radio or TV shows that delight in the poublic humiliation of their "guests"?

We have loads. Its become almost the norm.

At least you guys escaped Ali G. (OK, he was actully quite funny the first 10 times or so, but it wore off...)

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Scot says
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You can also see pictures of the proposed monument at Phelp's own godhatesfags.com.

That plaque looks removable to me. Who lives nearest? There will be a screwdriver in the post. [Mad]

[Votive] Matthew Shepard, his friends and family [Votive]

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Did anyone read the letter on his site that he wrote to the city council?

I nearly wet myself at the end, a full page rant is followed by a "with kindest personal regards and best wishes, i remain sincerely yours in Christ"

The guys a fucking loon.

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And i've just read the second letter on the site where he talks about his church holding a "gospel celebration of the 5th anniversary of Matthews Entry to Hell"

What is the guy taking. A gospel celebration of someone's entry to hell? (leaving aside whether matthew is there or not) surely a gospel weeping and wailing!

It's a good job i'm not God.....Lightning would be far too tempting a thing to have.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kÿralessa:
Huh. If those hosts disliked him so much, how'd he get on that show in the first place? [Confused]

This particular radio show (John and Ken on KFI, AM 640) does political topics and current events. About half of the guests are people with whom the the hosts disagree. The ones they respect, they argue with. The ones they don't (like Phelps) are allowed to run on at the mouth and make themselves look stupid in public.

The only thing anti-Christian was Phelps's own attitude.

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As I'm not a liberal but a real socialist can I say that there are times when [deletion] can work wonders.

Like if it was my son who died, and Phelps started talking like this about him, and I [deletion], then you would sympathise I hope?

Not that I'm condoning terrorism here you understand, just popular direct action. It's only terrorism when you do it to someone who isn't the bad guy. It looks as if Phelps is the bad guy. So tha makes it self defence, right?

Though I doubt if I will be raiding the issue at the Deanery Synod this evening.

[Edited to avoid legal issues]

[ 15. October 2003, 15:46: Message edited by: RuthW ]

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[quote of above post deleted]

Of course not. I couldn't condone that. It would be a horrific act of vengeance.

Well, maybe you could [deleted] just a little bit. Kind of "[deleted] in love".

[Edited to avoid legal issues]

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quote:
Originally posted by Grey Face:
Kind of "[deleted] in love".

I always get very upset when I hear people saying that you should chastise (by which they mean beat) yopur children "in love", not anger; that you ought to be able and willing to beat your children when they have broken some rule, without actually feeling any anger at the time, just love and a determination to treat them well.

Its hard to imagine anything more calculated to kill feeling and destroy the emotional life of both parent and child.

I wonder if Fred Phelps's dad used to beat him "in love".

[Edited to avoid legal issues]

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Hold it right there, folks. If you want to discuss violent action you might want to take, you'll have to get your own website to do it. Ship of Fools cannot afford to defend even the most frivolous of lawsuits.

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Ken: I agree, totally. I was attempting to take the Michael out of the concept.

RuthW: Sorry. Feel free to delete any posts of mine that infringe the rules.

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Just did some editing. Thanks for your cooperation.

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Someone should commission a gigantic bronze sculpture of Fred Phelps in an uncompromisingly strong homosexual act and place it in the closest public proximity to his home and/or church.

Why not.

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[Killing me]

So now "[delete]" and "[deletion]" are in there and they change the meaning not at all. In fact they look sort of threatening, like "terminate with extreme prejudice".

I would not want to be [deleted].

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Originally posted by The Riv:

Why not.

Because that would reduce you to his level. Do you really want to go there?

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quote:
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I would not want to be [deleted].

But I would only [delete] you in love, ken. [Big Grin]
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It doesn't 'lower' me. It simply communicates on a (his) predetermined, albeit depravedly low level. He's not going to be enlightened, from what I've gathered, by anyone or anything else. I don't think that giving someone a dose of their own medicine reduces the administrator of such.

The High Road just doesn't work w/everybody.

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quote:
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The High Road just doesn't work w/everybody.

Seriously for a minute, that doesn't mean that we as Christians (those of us who are Christians) should not try it though. "Love your enemies" and all that.

The take-home message from this thread being, I suppose, that some of us have identified Mr. Phelps as an enemy, rather than as a curmudgeonly friend.

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Feeling any kind of "love" for Mr. Phelps is beyond my ability. This may show my shortcomings as a Christian, but after reading the accounts of how his children and wife were treated, as well as his own family and in-laws, I am convinced he has not one ounce of love for anyone on earth. All I can work up is a little half-hearted pity, and that is mighty difficult for me.

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Right ken, you do have a point (as usual!). But there's plenty of impetus within our faith's teachings to prevent radically aggregious members from continuing wrong actions. The monument he's pursuing crosses my line of brotherly tolerance in that regard.

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quote:
Originally posted by RuthW:
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Oh bother! I had such a clever pilgrimage to propose. Would've even asked MW's help in getting the vestments and implements right.

But I'll trust the local populace to keep Fred in check, and to do proper respects to whatever he dumps in their park.

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quote:
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I would not want to be [deleted].

Be grateful. If this was a moderated Usenet group, you could have been [snip]ped. [Ultra confused]
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Fred Phelps is a fag.

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I think you owe an apology to the good homosexual people of the Ship. Fred Phelps may be a Phucker, but he's no Phag.

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And to the bad homosexual people of the ship too.

I hope he's not a fag. That would really be a case of "there goes the neighborhood".

You know, Wikkid Person, I've never seen a post done with spray paint before, but somehow you managed it.

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This asshole gets funnier by the minute. Does he not know that the majority of the country think he is a joke?

Of course, those of us who are gay find it harder to laugh. He's a hateful bastard and I pray that he will be healed of his hate.

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Unfortunately I can't find him funny at all. Either very sad, or very angering. Or both. But not funny.

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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Oh bother! I had such a clever pilgrimage to propose. Would've even asked MW's help in getting the vestments and implements right.
Feel free to propose a pilgrimage and/or an appropriate service, as long as you don't advocate violence or anything felonious.

If I were designing a service appropriate to the erection of this monument, I'd use exorcism as my template.

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Um, guess what, people....

If the city of Casper has a monument to the Ten Commandments displayed, then Fred Phelps may be able to put up an equivalent sign against Matthew Shepard.

It has nothing to do with religion; it has everything to do with free speech. If Casper has provided a venue for diverse speech (and to my way of thinking that's the only way the 10C can be displayed publically in the USA), then Fred's monumental screed is congruent to the 10C monument.

Forgive me for writing this. but sometimes my ACLU tattoo burns hotter than the Cross of Christ.

You cannot and must not prevent Phelps from spouting his filth. If you find a way to prevent his evil, someday, somewhere, when you least expect it, somebody will use that argument to prevent you from telling somebody that they are loved with an infinite love by Almighty God through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

You just can't limit free speech. Free speech has to be free to everybody--Even Fred Phelps. If you don't demand free speech for everybody, eventually, they'll find a way to make you shut up, too.

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Dammit, Tomb, I hate it when you're right. Not that it happens often, mind you. But when it does....

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Well, in that case the best answer is a scathing- but tasteful- monument to Mr. Phelps. Post some of Christ's more loving words about sinners and forgiveness just to heap on the coals. And maybe a stylized bouquet of dead roses cast in lead, with a limp dick peeking out...ah, but that wouldn't be tasteful. Pity. [Tear]

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I'm sure, dear, that whatever you come up with will be very special and will have managed successfully to negotiate the ambiguities.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mousethief:
Unfortunately I can't find him funny at all. Either very sad, or very angering. Or both. But not funny.

I agree, but it seems to me that the best way to deal with such ideas as those he holds, is to ridicule them.

[edited to make the post at least semi-legible]

[ 16. October 2003, 07:38: Message edited by: Grey Face ]

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Well I take my biretta off to Dr Phelps. At least he is honest enough to say what he really means, unlike all the mealy mouthed wankers who claim to 'love the sinner and hate the sin' which amounts to saying:
"As a Christian I love you, but I just hate what you are"

Phred gets straight to the point. He really hates you 'cos the Bible tells him to.

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I love free speech, it's one of the few causes i would genuinely consider dying for. However, there is a distinction (now enshrined in UK law)between free speech and inciting hatred.

He can state a belief all he wants, but stirring up hatred and polluting the minds of others is a different thing altogether.

In the UK, if this were racial rather than sexual (there's something to consider) he'd be arrested.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mousethief:
Unfortunately I can't find him funny at all. Either very sad, or very angering. Or both. But not funny.

You're right, MT. I certainly don't laugh at Fred Phelps, except occasionally for my own sanity. He is undeniably the most hate-filled human being that I have ever known.

Mel Brooks, when he was castigated for using Nazi's as a source of humour, said that ridiculing evil took away its power. Laughing at Phelps now and then is my way of reducing his power over me (for one thing, it keeps me from the intense rage that he can stir in me like no one else can.)

Hopefully, he will be healed of his hate. Until then, I will laugh at him when I need to and pray for him always.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fiddleback:
Well I take my biretta off to Dr Phelps. At least he is honest enough to say what he really means, unlike all the mealy mouthed wankers who claim to 'love the sinner and hate the sin' which amounts to saying:
"As a Christian I love you, but I just hate what you are"

Phred gets straight to the point. He really hates you 'cos the Bible tells him to.

Do you always have to see eye to eye with someone before you love them? Isn't life and freidship prity boaring like this?
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sorry to disagree, tomb, but no, you're wrong. freedom of speech does not mean that anyone who wants to gets to erect statues in a public park. there are undoubtedly legal procedures that need to be gone through before approval can be gained, and i'm sure there are all sorts of totally legal reasons why approval could be denied for this monument.

(what freedom of speech does mean is that if he wanted to erect his on his own property, he probably could get away with it.)

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Nicole, are you claiming that a different standard should be applied to Phelps than was applied to the group that installed the 10 Commandments monument? I'm not a big fan of the ACLU, but tomb's right about this one.

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I think I'm with Nicole on this one. If someone wanted to erect a statue in a public park depicting (for example) a gang rape, or something equally horrific, surely this wouldn't be allowed? You couldn't have such a horrendous, offensive image where anyone (kids) might see it.

Related thought: I once heard about a court case where someone was trying to ban drive-in movie theatres because the underage residents of nearby homes could see 18 cert. films on the screen from their bedroom windows. Does anyone know what the outcome was?

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