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Thread: Hell: Phelps plans Shepard monument; Scot turns Buddhist
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Ultraspike
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I'll take our city fuckwits over those heartland crazies any day, jlg. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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QuakerCub
Shipmate
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The city fathers of Caspar, Wyoming voted yesterday to reject Phelps' "monument" to Matthew Shepard.
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Tortuf
Ship's fisherman
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I am afraid that decision will lead to litigation the city may lose. Perhaps they should eliminate the other monument and ban all private message monuments. (They invited this kind of crap by having a ten commandments monument there in the first place.)
I think it would be better to bog Phred down in bureaucracy away from the limelight. That way his tiny little brain might focus on some other form of lunacy before the monument came to fruition.
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Wm Duncan
Buoy tender
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City Council decides to create monument plaza -- Casper, Wyoming Star-Tribune article.
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dorothea
Goodwife and low church mystic
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Quote from the Wyoming Stsr Tribune:
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However, neither Dan Barker of the Freedom From Religion Foundation nor Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church shared Peryam's assessment of the city's chances in a court case defending the constitutionality of the historic plaza plan.
Why do I find it so ironic when libertarians and fundamentalists support each other? For short term gains, I suppose. Still, hardly an alliance made in heaven.
It'll be really interesting to see if this does come to court what the outcome will be.
A slight aside - This debate has also made me realise that here are some clear benefits from an alliance between Church and State. For example, in the UK Church aided state schools are quite common place (in England and Wales, I don't know about Scotland.)
I believe such schools are invaluable in introducing children (many from non-Christian or non practising homes) to basic Christian values and teachings, alongside English, maths, science and the humanities. For example, such schools stick with the national curriculum and creationism is not on the agenda. These schools are also obliged to ensure children learn about other religions too. IMHO, a rational education based on Christian values provides an excellent foundation for the development of enlightened values (Christian or otherwise). It might have done wonders for the like of Phelps and his ilk.
J
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Scot
Deck hand
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Originally posted by dorothea:
Why do I find it so ironic when libertarians and fundamentalists support each other? For short term gains, I suppose. Still, hardly an alliance made in heaven.
Libertarianism and fundamentalism are far from mutually exclusive. In fact, there is a significant overlap between the two groups, at least in the US.
The rest of your post horrifies me so much that I'll need more time than I currently have to write a sufficiently scathing response.
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ken
Ship's Roundhead
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Originally posted by dorothea:
A slight aside - This debate has also made me realise that here are some clear benefits from an alliance between Church and State. For example, in the UK Church aided state schools are quite common place (in England and Wales, I don't know about Scotland.)
There are also Quaker, Jewish, & Muslim schools in the same position.
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dorothea
Goodwife and low church mystic
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Cheers Ken,
good point (doh)and R.C schools, even thought the C.E is the established church. And, in that case, I guess I have no real reason to support an established church.
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dorothea
Goodwife and low church mystic
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Scot wrote:
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The rest of your post horrifies me so much that I'll need more time than I currently have to write a sufficiently scathing response.
Hee,hee! I'll look forward to it. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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