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Strauss
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Ah, like I asked in my last post(in so many words)-If the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God, why are you wasting your time on what you call Christianity? I certainly am not claiming that it is inerrant or even from "God", but isn't it the Bible that tells you what you know about what you believe? As I said a couple of posts ago, I no longer claim to be a Christian, but I have something for all of you to chew on: If, if, the Bible is from God-it is inerrant. If, if, there are truly errors in the Bible, then it is not from God.
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Strauss
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L. I see how it looks like we've drifted off to another subject, but this is all very interrelated, don't you see? It began with Erin's rant on sex and the church, (specifically homosexuality) and my curiousity as to how her views could be squared with a fundamentalist view of the Bible, i.e., inerrant, and with passages condemning behaviors she refers to. I guess I am done, since it appears I am not going to get a direct answer. 'Till next time!
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Alan Cresswell
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quote: Originally posted by Strauss: how her views could be squared with a fundamentalist view of the Bible
Two points. 1) for those who don't hold "fundamentalist" views of the Bible there's no problem 2) even if a "fundamentalist" view is held, that doesn't mean that the church doesn't say too much about sex and not enough about other Biblically important subjects - and that's the main thrust of Erins' Rant
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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Strauss, as you asked me AND Erin to justify our views, I will add mine.There are those who accept the Bible as if it has just come down from the sky already written by God himself. But what others, including myself, see is that the Bible was written as several different books at several different times and, like everything else which is written, even today, it was written through a cultural screen of the times. Everything we think or do or say is processed through our cultural understanding of our upbringing and life experience. So any views on sex, family life and anything else which was written thousands of years ago has to be understood in these terms. So it is not that we don't believe what is written, it is that we remember to put our historical and anthropological spectacles on when we read.
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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quote: Originally posted by Strauss: It began with Erin's rant on sex and the church, (specifically homosexuality) and my curiousity as to how her views could be squared with a fundamentalist view of the Bible, i.e., inerrant, and with passages condemning behaviors she refers to. I guess I am done, since it appears I am not going to get a direct answer. 'Till next time!
For the LAST TIME, you DID get an answer. I'll use stronger words (and bold!) so that maybe you'll pay attention this time: I don't give a flying rat's ass about squaring my views with a fundamentalist view of the Bible. I don't subscribe to a fundamentalist view of the Bible, I don't care about a fundamentalist view of the Bible, and I'm not interested in engaging with a fundamentalist view of the Bible, as I think it is WRONG. Get it yet, dearie?
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Robert Armin
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Erin - I've just realised that I've often tied myself up in knots trying to square things with my fundementalist past, when in fact I just don't work like that any more. I couldn't have stated it as bluntly as you did ("Reserved British Male = emotional wimp"? Discuss) but it did me good to hear you say that. Another tot of rum for the lady, bartender!
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Thanks. It just irritates me when people insist I haven't answered the question, when in fact they mean I haven't given them the answer they want to hear."How do you square this with an inerrant view of the Bible?" "Well, I don't adhere to an inerrant view of the Bible, so I don't." "Yes, but how do you square this with an inerrant view of the Bible?" "That's not my position, so I don't." "I want to know how you square this with an inerrant view of the Bible, but it's clear you're not going to give me an answer." "Are you illiterate or just annoying?"
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Clyde
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Dear Erin, As your Rant concerns Sex and the Christian Church, is it unreasonable that you are being asked to take into consideration what the Bible has to say?
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Strauss
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Erin, Now, with all your jumping up and down, cursing, and calling names, you went and hurt my feelings. I forgive you. Maybe a different angle will work better for you. Surely you know of passages in the Bible condemning homosexuality..In front of all of your fans, do you or do you not believe that those are from God, and do you or do you not feel that they apply to our society today, and why? If you do not feel that you need to explain your positions, then perhaps you should not publicly put them out there on a bulletin board format, where people might ask you questions about those positions. I know. ANNOYING! My apologies in advance.
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Atticus
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how a diplomat sticks his foot in his mouth politely... skillfully done Strauss. P.S. Erin, as a devoted reader of your harsh posts all your fans are looking to you to step in line with fundamentalist Christian tradition here and tow the line just like everyone else. I trust you will not let us down.
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Sarcasm looks really bad on you, Strauss. quote: In front of all of your fans, do you or do you not believe that those are from God, and do you or do you not feel that they apply to our society today, and why?
No and no. Because I AM NOT a biblical inerrantist. Seriously, why do you keep beating this dead and rotting horse? I've answered this question for the last time. You can keep posting it and posting it until your fingers fall off, and you will not get another response to this same question that I've answered FOUR times now. It is boring and tedious. [ 15 April 2002: Message edited by: Erin ]
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Louise
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host hat onStrauss, Erin has made it clear several times on this thread that she is discussing whether the Church says too much about sex and whether it's time for it to shut up. What she is not discussing on this thread - as she has repeatedly made crystal clear - are issues of biblical authority. If you want to engage with her on whether the church focuses too much on sex, then do so on this thread. However if your beef is a personal one with Erin that you want to talk biblical authority and she says it's irrelevant to this, then you need to take that to the Hell board which is where we take all personal disputes (as you should have read in the ten commandments for these boards) and start a thread on the subject there. Given your arrogant, sarcastic and highly condescending tone you are in no position to complain about Erin. Louise
BTW If you do want to discuss general issues of biblical interpretation/biblical authority, please do so on the appropriate threads (Biblical Inerrancy in Purgatory or for biblical teaching on homosexulaity - 'Homosexuality - are we all against it' on this board) host hat off
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Clyde
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This discussion on the Rant seems to have ended rather abruptly. Does this mean that Erin has leapt off the Plank?
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