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Wood
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Whatever. "Spoilers" never really concern me.
I was just interested in what you meant when you said you "got" why I was saying what I did.
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markporter
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
markporter, here in the states our college courses tend to be numbered by how advanced they are. So, for instance, geology courses might be labeled: Introduction to Geology, Geology 101; Paleontology, Geology 202; Minerology, Geology 302; etc.
101 is used as an expression of being something basic.
Is there any particular logic bahind the numbering system then? (I mean, why the three digits?)
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Golden Key
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Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum"
**SPOILERS**
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Basic premise: The staff of a publishing house gets tired of all the occult/esoteric manuscripts they receive, and decide they can come up with something better.
So they basically copy and paste other's ideas, add their own theories, and shake it all together. (You know how David Icke forcibly connects all the dots?) Things Start To Happen. And they get too caught up in their creation.
Re getting what Wood's been saying: The book goes into details about theories, manuscripts, etc. Some of them, whether by nature or by the characters' views, have an anti-Semitic, anti-everyone-but-the-elite slant. Blech. (That's not the point of the book, btw.)
Anyway, I like historical oddities, questions, mysteries. As I've mentioned on the thread, I've heard of a lot of the things Wood mentioned, *but not in the racist, elitist fashion that he is trying to fight*.
E.g., Some of the characters in the book hook up folks like St-Germain and Cagliostro with the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"! And there's much worse stuff.
Reading the book: It is LONG. It is very densely written in some sections. I almost gave up after the 1st 2 chapters, but it got better. There are some very long explanations of occult interpretations of history.
Eco also has an annoying habit of including quotations in as many languages as possible, without translation. I'm very rusty in several languages, so could make some of it out--but I know I missed a lot.
Be prepared to have a lot of Very Strange Stuff running around in your head. (I'll probably be processing this book for a long time!)
But there are some priceless observations in the book--especially about how the real, physical world is far more important, sacred, and beautiful than all the occult claptrap.
***end SPOILERS***
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Tortuf
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No particular logic of which I am aware, except that it tends to gather courses by year and by level of difficulty. The first digit for year (even though it generally leaves out 4th year) and then the next two digits for complexity/difficulty of the course.
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Amazing Grace*
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Originally posted by Tortuf:
markporter, here in the states our college courses tend to be numbered by how advanced they are. So, for instance, geology courses might be labeled: Introduction to Geology, Geology 101; Paleontology, Geology 202; Minerology, Geology 302; etc.
101 is used as an expression of being something basic.
In this particular case it is also a clever pun since the Golden Gate Bridge, connecting SF with Lucasland, is part of US Highway 101. US-101 goes from Olympia, Washington (via the peninsula) to Los Angeles (maybe south, not sure about that).
US-101 from the GG Bridge north to the Oregon line is pretty scenic most of the way - the lion-colored hills, orchards, and vineyards of Sonoma and southern Mendocino counties yielding to the redwood Forest Primeval and eventually to the Pacific.
Charlotte (aka Amazing Grace)
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Amazing Grace*
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Originally posted by markporter:
quote:
Originally posted by Tortuf:
markporter, here in the states our college courses tend to be numbered by how advanced they are. So, for instance, geology courses might be labeled: Introduction to Geology, Geology 101; Paleontology, Geology 202; Minerology, Geology 302; etc.
101 is used as an expression of being something basic.
Is there any particular logic bahind the numbering system then? (I mean, why the three digits?)
At my university the three digits meant "upper division" - one or two digits was lower division (first two years' work).
English 1A - Basic freshman composition
English 101A - Advanced composition
Chemistry 1A/B/C (we were on quarter system) - freshman (first year) chemistry
Biochemistry 101A - Intro class in Biochem dept (they did not offer 1-series classes and most people taking it were third years)
But some places just started with "101" and worked up. While numbering schemes do vary, "101" is fairly standard as "intro class".
Charlotte (aka Amazing Grace)
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Manfred Faustus
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Originally posted by daisymay:
They're mad, they're mad....
I'm glad I'm a Christian - they are all rational and sane, no odd beliefs or myths at all.
Were you employing a degree of irony which is not immediately obvious - or are you just appallingly smug?
What with catholics waffling on about perpetual virginities and "bodily assumptions", and Catholic and Orthodox having got their knckers in a twist way back when over an eight letter Latin compound-word; the Anglican communion about to split over whether homosexual practice is a sin or not (and not too sure what it believes about anything else); with endless fundamentalists still expecting Jesus to appear "in the clouds of heaven" at the second coming (and the Jehovah's Witnesses believing this has already occurred though most people weren't aware of it); with no agreement whatsoever on whether an eternal soul exists or not - or whether the godly become "reconstituted" in immortal bodies only at the Last Judgment; then eternal punishment (so some denominations still believe) for the ungodly based on the very finite doings of a short life:
I'd say that Christians had some very odd beliefs and myths, insofar as they can agree at all on what they believe in the first place.
"Oh wad some power the giftie gie us
Too se oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An foolish notion."
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Manfred Faustus
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Originally posted by Wood:
Yep, Rudolf Steiner, former Theosophist and founder of the Anthroposophy movement.
I've got to say, Steiner is my Number 1 all time favourite Bonkers Esoteric Savant™
[ 28. October 2003, 16:38: Message edited by: Manfred Faustus ]
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Tortuf
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Host hat on
Manfred Faustus, Purgatory is not a board where you may make statements like or are you just appallingly smug?
Please apologize to daisymay. If you would like to make personal observations you are welcome to start a thread in Hell and pm daisymay to that effect.
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And yet, Manfred Faustus, there is a remarkable central coherence which allows Christians from different countries, centuries, and cultures to communicate important meanings to each other, albeit with two difficulties. 1) Words and concepts having slightly different connotations, necessitating lengthy explanations of what one is saying when things get subtle, and 2) Meatheads who try to butt in and insist on their own favorite three facts whenever conversation gets difficult.
That being said, there is enough shared thought that Stott's Basic Christianity and Lewis's Mere Christianity have considerable resonance with people from very different traditions. Out of a billion Christians, one might expect a considerable amount of intellectual wandering.
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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Originally posted by Manfred Faustus:
quote:
Originally posted by daisymay:
They're mad, they're mad....
I'm glad I'm a Christian - they are all rational and sane, no odd beliefs or myths at all.
Were you employing a degree of irony which is not immediately obvious - or are you just appallingly smug?
![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Actually, she was employing an irony which was blindingly obvious!
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Golden Key
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Did my post on "Foucault's Pendulum" make sense? Was having a difficult day.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by golden key:
Did my post on "Foucault's Pendulum" make sense?
Well it did to me, but then I've read it. I wonder about the ending: it seemed to me not that They Were Coming To Get Him, but that he had become so immersed in his own construct, that he believed in a world in which that is what happens.
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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Originally posted by golden key:
Did my post on "Foucault's Pendulum" make sense? Was having a difficult day.
Perfect sense.
In fact, I now want to go read it. I'm sold.
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Wood:
quote:
Originally posted by golden key:
Did my post on "Foucault's Pendulum" make sense? Was having a difficult day.
Perfect sense.
In fact, I now want to go read it. I'm sold.
(stage whisper) You...have...been...warned!
(eerie music)
A conspiracy theory run wild? The underlying plan of reality? The answers are elusive. We present the questions for your consideration.
But up ahead, the sign post reads:
"The Twilight Zone".
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Golden Key
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Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by golden key:
Did my post on "Foucault's Pendulum" make sense?
Well it did to me, but then I've read it. I wonder about the ending: it seemed to me not that They Were Coming To Get Him, but that he had become so immersed in his own construct, that he believed in a world in which that is what happens.
If you don't mind, I'll PM you about this when I get a chance. My answer would probably spoil the book for someone. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(I'm someone who usually hates spoilers.)
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Golden Key
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I've started a '(spoilers) book: "Foucault's Pendulum"' thread in Heaven, for folks who want to discuss the book in depth.
[ 02. November 2003, 07:51: Message edited by: golden key ]
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