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Gill H
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I've learned that 'The Bible says...' is the start of a discussion, not the end of one.
And that God is a lot bigger than my experience of Him.
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Matt Black
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As a parallel to what Louise wrote above, I have to confess that I tended to perceive liberals as not 'proper Christians' before coming to SoF. Having trod these boards for some 9 months, I realise that the liberals on the Ship possess a faith and relationship with the Lord which is just as deep, valid, loving, thoughtful etc, if not more so, than my own. Doesn't mean to say I think you're right though ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif) - indeed, I have found that whilst I enjoy engaging and dialoguing with other traditions and thereby learning from those, my own tradition and it's 'rightness'for me (IMHO of course ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ) has been affirmed.
So, thanks, Shipmates ![[Sunny]](graemlins/flowerface.gif)
Yours in Christ
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from linzc:
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Originally posted by tomb:
I have learned that there is an Absolute Truth, but that God shields us from ever knowing what it is, because it would just give us more reasons to hurt each other. It is a mercy that He refuses to disclose His face to us on a regular basis. And I have learned to be content with that. At least for now.
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Great post tomb. I have now learned something else on the SoF.
Ditto, Tomb - thanks for that.
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Originally posted by Wood:
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Originally posted by Scot:
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Originally posted by Jesuitical Lad:
We're all lost causes?
I am. It'll take a miracle to save me.
Oh wait...
Amen.
And Amen again.
The ship helped me through what I hope was the last gasp of spiritual blockage -- the world-centeredness of the "God-can't-exist-and-also-be-good-because-children-die-in-Africa" point of view. Feeling unstable in theological disputes on my favorite board has caused me to enroll in an EFM* class this year. I thought I was relatively well-schooled in theology, and am being swiftly disabused of that notion. At center, the community here has supported my faith by making me more at peace with being a skeptic and also a believer -- and convinced me that these two things are not opposites, but complement each other.
*EFM, or Education for Ministry is a four-year seminary-level theology curriculum for lay-people done in seminar-style and offered through extension from Sewannee. Groups are led by mentors who have been through the program.
[ 29. October 2002, 01:49: Message edited by: Laura ]
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Hooker's Trick
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
On a completely unrelated tangent, I discovered a liking for gin Which I'd never have bothered to develop otherwise.
Tubbs
Praise God from whom all fermented juice of the juniper flows!
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I've learned that Church Tradition is not a long slide into an out. I've come from a world where if anything is not exactly lined up with a Bible verse or two, then someone is quickly calling it a heresy.
Now when I'm asked if something is "scriptural" I just smile....(I was just asked today if my Russian Orthodox cross, that I've been wearing since my Chrismation, is "scriptural". - because of the 3 bars.) ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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duchess
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I leanred that many people on the ship think I am crazy since I pick Fosters over Guinness, even some Australians. ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
If and WHEN I ever make it over to other ship's shores...I WILL order that Fosters and drink it in front of y'all, sip by sip.
And this comes from somebody who went to the Guinness factory in Dublin and drank a Guinness there.
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Originally posted by duchess [green]:
If and WHEN I ever make it over to other ship's shores...I WILL order that Fosters and drink it in front of y'all, sip by sip.
You will not.
I have many ways of stopping you.
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duchess
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You are just saying that. IRL, you would just watch me finish my meal (probably fish and chips or whatever the pub had...) and then see me discreetly go off and order a fosters, and I would sip it loudly and then say "A nice meal and a half pint of fosters..." then you would remember I ordered a fosters...but it would be too late since I talked about this over a year ago and you have long forgotten.
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multipara
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Duchess-only a half pint(imperial, not US) of Foster's!!!!?????
The only way to drink the stuff is out of a 375 ml can (approx 3/4 of an Imperial pint and in a glass known as a schooner; the 285 ml half pint glass is called a middy and any red blooded Aussie who asked for this would be considered to be a bit of a sheila).
I promise you there are much better Antipodean beers than that catpiss-even Steinlager (the NZ stuff).
If you ever find yourself on these shores go for a Cascade-from Tasmania and a great drop.
cheers,
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Duo Seraphim*
Sea lawyer
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quote:
Originally posted by multipara:
I promise you there are much better Antipodean beers than that catpiss-even Steinlager (the NZ stuff).
If you ever find yourself on these shores go for a Cascade-from Tasmania and a great drop.
Steinlager is only one step up from catpiss. I agree with multipara on the subject of Cascade but James Squires is a better drop.
None of them are worthy to approach Black Sheep Rigwelter.
I have changed my mind on participation in Hell (the bulletin board, as opposed to the unquenchable fire and the worm that does not die.)
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Jack the Lass
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Well here goes – my first ever post on a SOF board! ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif) Thought I’d choose a nice uncontroversial one to start with!!! (though I’m interested to see even this one’s getting a bit hot under the collar sometimes ![[Flaming]](graemlins/angryfire.gif) !).
As a newcomer I can’t really say my mind’s been changed yet by anything, but having lurked around for a bit and read several of the threads (mainly here in Purgatory) I think I’ll probably end up echoing the comments here about enjoying and learning from other perspectives, being challenged to think about why I believe what I believe, and being open to and respectful of perspectives other than my own. I think as well I’ve found in a few threads a number of people who’ve articulated things which I’ve vaguely wondered about but not had the right words to think through fully by myself, so I suspect that rather than changing my mind I’m going to find this site will clarify my thinking on those issues where I’m still a bit woolly!
At the end of the day, I suppose we’ve all got lots to give and lots to learn from each other (aaaw, how wholesome, I sound like I’ve stepped off the set of Little House on the Prairie ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif) ), and this seems to me like the ideal place for that.
BTW – call me old-fashioned, but I’d personally go for Guinness over catspiss any day
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Deck hand
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Welcome aboard, Jack the Lass!
Let's see... you like Guinness, you can laugh at yourself... you should fit in just fine as soon as we disabuse you of the strange idea that we can learn anything from each other.
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Clyde
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Welcome aboard Jack the Lass,
In the next few days you will be getting your mop and bucket and you main duties initally will be 'Swobbing the decks'. I'm afraid that you may be so tired each day after these duties that you won't care what is being said on the Boards.
Hope that you enjoy being with us.
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Jack the Lass
Ship's airhead
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Thanks for the welcome Scot and Clyde! I think I'm gonna enjoy this place! Scot I'm fully expecting to be irritated beyond belief as well as heartwarmingly enlightened (hopefully more of the latter than the former), and Clyde I'm rubbish at housework so am not holding out too much hope for a clean ship whilst I'm on deck-swobbing duties. Hopefully I can graduate to rum-swilling before too long though
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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49 more posts to go.
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duchess
Ship's Blue Blooded Lady
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I have noted you picked the SMILEY emoticon, Jack the Lass which cancels out my irritation (at you and everybody else) calling my beloveded Fosters "catpxxxs".
Welcome.
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Gamaliel
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Sorry Duchess.
Fosters is as close to the unforgiveable sin as it gets in my book.
Come to Yorkshire. I'll buy you a pint of Timothy Taylor's Landlord.
The editor of the CAMRA guide (the Bible of the Campaign for More Real Ale, one of the most successful pressure groups ever) once described it 'like angels dancing on my tongue'.
So it's perfectly theological.
Aussie gas-**** so-called beer.
My arse!
![[Puke]](graemlins/puke.gif) ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
If you're going to drink lager, at least try German, Belgian or Czech versions.
Me, I stick to real ale.
Unless I'm in Germany.
As for Guinness.
The way they brew it these days we see the sad demise of a once great pint ... ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
Phil
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Praise the Lord for He is kind.
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Bonzo
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These boards make me think, give me hope and challenge my prejudices.
Having said that, they confim that Christians are sometimes just as nasty as anyone else.
There is a spiritual battle for hearts and minds, in which we find ourselves. I'ts so easy to give in to the instinct to hit back when we have been attacked. Something, of course, I never do
On the whole, the kind, caring, tolerant voices drown out the spite.
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MrSponge2U
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Having grown up in the city that has given the world such atrocious rice-water as Budweiser, Busch, and Bud Light , I am eternally grateful for my enlightened ship mates as well as other fine British friends of mine for introducing me to many fine British and European beers, and the true King of beers, Guinness! ![[Happy]](graemlins/happy2.gif)
I also have been advised by my Australian friends to steer well clear of Fosters! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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FCB
Hillbilly Thomist
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For true theological beer drinking, Belgium is the only place. I'm convinced that the abbeys of Chimay and Westmalle received their recipes from angelic messengers. But the holy grail of abbey beers is Westleveren: they have no distributor, so you actually have to make a pilgrimage to the abbey to buy the beer.
Plus, Belgian abbey beers range between 8-12% alcohol, so a little goes a long way.
American lagers, on the other hand, is what people in hell have to drink when they've been especially bad.
FCB
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Matt Black
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What about Leffe and Hoegaarden; they're my preference
Yours in Christ
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt Black:
What about Leffe and Hoegaarden; they're my preference
Yours in Christ
Matt
You're obviously an expensive date ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Tubbs
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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I have learnt how easily a discussion on just about anything can be turned into a discussion on beer.
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Matt Black
Shipmate
# 2210
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:
quote:
Originally posted by Matt Black:
What about Leffe and Hoegaarden; they're my preference
Yours in Christ
Matt
You're obviously an expensive date
Tubbs
Yes, but worth every penny
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Gambit
London Shipmeet King
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I have learnt how easily a discussion on just about anything can be turned into a discussion on beer.
Especially when certain people are around.
Go on Alan, wear your shipmeet face!
There it is!
Yours (in a loving xn way)
Gambit
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BigAL
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# 750
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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Brojees and big al I have called you both into Hell for an apology for your attacks upon all the posters here. I don't think you are up to apologies but then I may be wrong.
Your mabyes right I won't apologise for what I said. I have no connection with Brojees.
I was summarising, in a summary it is important to be brief. What I was infering in my statment was I find some of you misuse/ignore the bible in an alarming way (as I percieve) therefore I struggle to to see their points of view. I take Peters view ... all Scripture is useful... that includes the sections I don't like that challenge my way of life. Doesn't mean I live up to them but at least I accept them.
PS I am not a troll, my intention was not to cause offence but to share that I find some peoples views hard to accept or see a biblical basis for. I have yet to notice a memberr who share the same view that I do on many topic let alone most.
The term Lost causes is a term by which I mean difficult to make you change your mind due to the limitations of board communications. As in it is a lost cause me arguing with you because our opinions are so different.
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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quote:
Originally posted by BigAL:
What I was infering in my statment was I find some of you misuse/ignore the bible in an alarming way
But hang on... aren't you the guy that defended the Rapture as a doctrine?
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JimT
Ship'th Mythtic
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BigAl,
Is there an organization, denomination, or writer with whom you are in sympathy or do you consider your views unique? In other words, do you find views like your own somewhere other than SOF? If so, is there a Web site or book we could refer to in order to get a better understanding of your beliefs?
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Ham'n'Eggs
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BigAL -
I don't think that you are a troll. I certainly don't think that you have been stating anything other than genuinely held beliefs, and that you have been consistent in this whilst you have been on the boards. I have never seen you causing any disruption. I have seen you mocked a great deal.
I cannot see that you should be reproached for giving me a straight answer to a straight question. I did start another Purgatory thread to give you the opportunity to put your case.
I don't think that the Big Al seen talking to Brojees on another website was you, as they displayed a different amount of knowledge of theology, and their spelling was very different to yours.
I think that the boards would be the poorer without you.
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Gamaliel
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Sorry to be pedantic BigAl, but it was the apostle Paul, not Peter, who wrote that 'all scripture is useful' (2 Timothy 3:16).
That is, if we accept that Paul actually wrote Timothy!
I'm happy to accept Pauline authorship by the way.
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Praise the Lord for He is kind.
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St. Sebastian
Staggering ever onward
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This doesn't really count as changing my mind, I don't think, but I would never have become Orthodox if not for the Ship.
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In Spite of Everything: Yes.
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Scot
Deck hand
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hmmm...one...two...three...
[scot counts on fingers, realizes he is running out]
I'm beginning to realize that the Ship is a most effective outreach for Orthodoxy. Perhaps Simon should consider sending them an invoice?
However, the conversions must stop before we get to 21 and I run out of fingers and toes.
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KenWritez
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In my short time here, I've learned several things:
+ Don't screw with Erin
+ Over-reaction is a way of life for some posters
+ The Body of Christ is infinitely more varied than ever I had believed.
+ Kindness is an underrated virtue.
I've also changed my beliefs about some key things:
+ People who hold doctrinal beliefs contradicting mine aren't mad, bad or stupid--they only *seem* that way. ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
+ I discovered I can like and even respect people with whom I disagree, such as Linzc, Rook, RuthW, and Erin, to pick four at random among many others, yet I both like and respect them.
+ I'm more willing to admit I can be wrong about an issue, that I may not have all (or even most of) the facts. Laura, Inanna, Jesuitical Lad and Fr. Greg (among others whom I can't remember at the moment) have shown a breadth of knowledge and history that has shown me that much of my own "knowledge" of early church history is based mostly on hearsay and tribal knowledge, not actual research.
+ Liberals Are Not Evil. (I'm struggling mightily to refrain from adding some smartass comment like, "...Not Totally, Anyway." However, my better self prevails.)
+ Church history is more important than I thought it was. (I can't see me ever converting to Orthodox or RCC, tho.)
Thank you to all the Shipmates who've helped me walk a bit further in my journey.
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FatMac
Ship's Macintosh
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quote:
Originally posted by kenwritez:
+ I discovered I can like and even respect people with whom I disagree, such as Linzc, Rook, RuthW, and Erin, to pick four at random among many others, yet I both like and respect them.
Why thank you kind sir! And to all the others who have contributed to this thread - even the Fosters drinkers.
I guess another thing I have changed my mind about on SoF (actually its probably a new thought rather than a change) is the usefulness of a place like Hell (the board one, not the other hypothetical place). I am now wondering whether some similar sort of mechanism could be used IRL groups rather than all the delicate mincing around we tend to do. Or would it screw up the relationships too much? Perhaps this is another thread. I'll think some more.
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BigAL
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Wood:
quote:
Originally posted by BigAL:
What I was infering in my statment was I find some of you misuse/ignore the bible in an alarming way
But hang on... aren't you the guy that defended the Rapture as a doctrine?
yeah... I do think there is a teaching of the rapture out there which must be incorrect because the teaching I know at the rapture should in no way cause the reaction it did when I brought it up some months ago. Although I do admit I can't defend it as vigourusly as I would like, I still have homework to do in that department but once I have I will be back.
My point above was more refering to ignoring pauls teaching or any book of the bible for that matter. Also I really hate ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif) the idea of you don't need to trust jesus cos we're all going to heaven anyway. That *to me* is real nasty peice of deception if you believe that idea then you are taking a risk. Trusting Jesus and believing in some "odd" teachings may cause you to waste time/effort but not cause you to miss out on Eternity with Jesus.
(please see the principle not the example)
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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quote:
Posted by BigAl: ... I do think there is a teaching of the rapture out there which must be incorrect because the teaching I know at the rapture should in no way cause the reaction it did when I brought it up some months ago. Although I do admit I can't defend it as vigourusly as I would like, I still have homework to do in that department but once I have I will be back.
I meant, since the doctrine of the Rapture is an appalling misuse of Holy Scripture and a blatant violation of Christ's Gospel of Grace as preached by Jesus, Paul and the Apostles, Augustine, Wesley, and many, many others, I felt it was a bit rich to accuse everyone here of abusing scripture.
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BigAL
Shipmate
# 750
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quote:
Originally posted by JimT:
BigAl,
Is there an organization, denomination, or writer with whom you are in sympathy or do you consider your views unique? In other words, do you find views like your own somewhere other than SOF? If so, is there a Web site or book we could refer to in order to get a better understanding of your beliefs?
I attend a brethren Church which is quite a "strict" type of Church but our main guideline is in contradiction to a post from someone the other day ....
"the bible says...is the end of the argument" (ish) obviously this doesn't fully hold true, the fact is says we should stone those who commit adultary etc..doesn't hold true anymore as this is an old testament teaching (old covenant). So there is a great deal of application but one type we don't go in for is stuff that isn't written down. (Bible legend which explains why letter were written etc.. stuff that isn't in the bible)
Basically at my church the women wear headcovering and don't speak, we have a breaking of bread service each week, no vicar/priest/pastor type person. Those are the big differences between us and other churches.
Before I get flamed... the women thing.. I don't necessarily agree with this fully.. but that is the way that it is. Mainly due to the fact that the it is becoming clear that the women are missing out they aren't getting the same teaching the men, mainly cos they don't turn up to the Bible studies cos they can't contribute. This couldn't be what was intended so perhaps the brethren made a mistake and misunderstood what paul was saying when he said "women should be silent".
P.S. Note for Phil Williams: Paul did write timothy 1 and 2 its Hebrews I think your getting confused with... (I accept my mistake with regard to peter)
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chukovsky
Ship's toddler
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What have I changed my mind on?
Well I am not going on any more blind dates...
but seriously folks... I think I've learned a lot and seen how people's faith can hide behind the trappings of church culture that generally put me off - not quite the same as babybear but similar.
Also I've had my thinking informed hugely on the part of the church I'm very happy to find myself in, namely alt.worship, by listening to people who've had far more experience than me. If you knew this, you would be very surprised that I would do this, but I am trying to!
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BigAL
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I meant, since the doctrine of the Rapture is an appalling misuse of Holy Scripture and a blatant violation of Christ's Gospel of Grace as preached by Jesus, Paul and the Apostles, Augustine, Wesley,
Explain what you (Wood not anyone else ... just now .. if required I will start a new thread.. )
understand by the teaching of the rapture and how that is a misuse of Scripture..
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Wood
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Thread started.
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Mainly due to the fact that the it is becoming clear that the women are missing out they aren't getting the same teaching the men, mainly cos they don't turn up to the Bible studies cos they can't contribute
Driving past my local Brethern church last week I noticed that they were advertising a woman as the speaker leading at their Sunday evening service. I always thought that teh Roman Catholics would have women priests before the Brethern allowed women to speak in meetings.
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Bongo
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I am no longer apologetic about being a liberal.
Also, I'm a secret, lurkerish fan of RuthW's posts. Laura's and Louise's too. Long may they continue!! ![[Not worthy!]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Jack the Lass
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I've just thought of something else this site has taught me - even in my very brief encounter with it so far. Have just taken a peek at the October prayer requests on All Saints, very humbling, ![[Heart]](graemlins/heartpump.gif) and prayers for all of you, and it's showed me that although we can debate and argue and disagree till the cows come home, we're all united in our total dependence on God, and in our humanity and care for each other, which is ultimately what a community like this should be all about.
And thanks everyone for making me feel so welcome
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the famous rachel
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There are some things I have changed my mind about, and some positions in which I have become more firmly entrenched.
Of the former:
I no longer believe that anglo-catholicism is necessarily ritualistic, or that tat is necessarily a bad thing. However, I still believe there are some (not many perhaps, but some) people/churches who enjoy empty ritual and value tat over God. I have realised however, that anglo-catholic worship can be rich, intense and spirit-filled.
I am also considering my position on universalism.
My position on the gay sex issue was always somewhat sit-on-the-fence-ish, but I now have more considered reasons for my fence-sitting.
Of the latter:
I believe now, more strongly than ever that "tongues-as-a-must" is a damaging, unbiblical and ungodly concept.
On the flip side, I also believe more strongly than ever that cessationism is unbiblical, patronising and isn't even traditional.
Enough?
All the best,
Rachel.
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Unkl Davy
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I've changed my mind about working up a lather about replying to much of what goes on here, cuz in the end I'm just ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif)
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Deserted
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I have learned that misinterpretation and hyperbole is the rule here on the ship. I've learned that emotional knee jerk responses are more common than reasoned ones and that if you're stuck you can always use profanity. (Watch what you say. Do not expect a reasoned dialogue. The medium is wrong. Threads often may degenerate into profanity or sophmoric sarcasm if you do.)
I have learned that a lot of people must have absolutely nothing to do in their spare time based on the amount of time I find I can spend reading and responding to posts and the amount of time I see others responding. (Give it less of your time. Spend more of it with real people.)
I have learned that it is okay to be a bigoted liberal, but it is not okay to be a bigoted conservative.
I have learned that a lot of people are more inflated with their love affair with higher education and professional status than they need to be perhaps, and that they often use this to validate their often ludicrous opinions.
I have learned that there is nothing like a persons personal projective abilities to get them worked up into a frenzy.
A lot of people have differing ideas on the best beer.
There is a lot more I have learned, but the truths of SOF have been so ingrained into my reality paradigm that i cannot differentiate myself from it enough to identify it as an objective reality seperate from myself. Call in the Deprogrammers!
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Anselmina
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Oh dear, I appear to be on board a different ship from Deserted! But then I suspect I am one of those bigoted liberals it is okay to be! I also manage to squeeze quite a lot of posts in, so I probably also stand convicted of spending too much time on board - though I could say in my own defence that I do tend to meet, and spend a lot of time, with people (even 'real' people, although I have to admit I can't think of any other sort; aren't all people real?!) and sometimes spending time on the keyboard is the only break I get from meetings, chats, visits, the telephone, etc etc.
Also as a touch-typist it takes no time at all to run off quite long posts, so I'm probably a lot less apparent on the boards than my posts suggest. Nevertheless, I probably ought to go on Ship Fasts from time to time!
Also, unlike poor Deserted, I have really valued hearing other opinions and ideas, sometimes even the ones I disagree with! I think some of my views towards the Orthodox Church have changed somewhat, as I continue to learn more about it. And whenever I feel the occasional bout of hardness of heart setting in towards conservative evangelicalism, I am often reminded of the presence of Christ's truth and light in the posters who represent that tradition, and am appropriately humbled.
Though, critics might suggest that that doesn't mean to say I'm any the less a 'bigoted' liberal, I suppose..... ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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