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Presumably, though, one wouldn't apply for a job one knows one cannot do (or would at least negotiate one's hours with one's manager)?
1. You don't have much choice - you have to apply for jobs, even unsuitable ones, to keep your benefits. Imagine how that must annoy those recruiting to get hundreds of job apps from people not qualified for the role.
A mate of mine was on jobseekers - as there are so few jobs where he is he MUST apply for nationally advertised ones. He's a great guy, caring, kind, honest, resourceful and very reliable but has only one O level. He was told to apply for senior sales manager jobs -- he's never done it, he doesn't drive because he's partially sighted. I know because he was doing that when he stayed with me.
My own experience of signing on is that when you start claiming you sit down with your adviser and decide on the parameters of your job search. This includes the travel time (which in my experience has been 60 - 90 minutes).
It's not been like that for quite a while now - you don't get a choice as to choosing travel times.
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Presumably, though, one wouldn't apply for a job one knows one cannot do (or would at least negotiate one's hours with one's manager)?
1. You don't have much choice - you have to apply for jobs, even unsuitable ones, to keep your benefits. Imagine how that must annoy those recruiting to get hundreds of job apps from people not qualified for the role.
A mate of mine was on jobseekers - as there are so few jobs where he is he MUST apply for nationally advertised ones. He's a great guy, caring, kind, honest, resourceful and very reliable but has only one O level. He was told to apply for senior sales manager jobs -- he's never done it, he doesn't drive because he's partially sighted. I know because he was doing that when he stayed with me.
My own experience of signing on is that when you start claiming you sit down with your adviser and decide on the parameters of your job search. This includes the travel time (which in my experience has been 60 - 90 minutes).
It's not been like that for quite a while now - you don't get a choice as to choosing travel times.
That was my experience within the last six months. Ok, the adviser may have just said 'sixty minutes' and I may have said 'sure', but that's hardly an onerous commuting time.
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You still don't get a choice and cannot negotiate though, and actually the longer you stay on JSA the longer your potential commuting times become - the jobcentre will increase it to 90 mins, 2 hours, 3 hours as you go.
And saying that an hour's commute isn't a big deal isn't the point when it's literally impossible for someone to commute to that job because of transport issues.
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And saying that an hour's commute isn't a big deal isn't the point when it's literally impossible for someone to commute to that job because of transport issues.
If a commute is literally impossible then it isn't a one-hour commute, surely?
Or are you talking about a specific event that causes a commutable distance to be impossible? If that's the case, then almost any commuter is affected by this. Heavy snow, wind, rain, strikes, can all make the easiest of commutes difficult. Thankfully, they tend to be short-lived.
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And saying that an hour's commute isn't a big deal isn't the point when it's literally impossible for someone to commute to that job because of transport issues.
If a commute is literally impossible then it isn't a one-hour commute, surely?
Or are you talking about a specific event that causes a commutable distance to be impossible? If that's the case, then almost any commuter is affected by this. Heavy snow, wind, rain, strikes, can all make the easiest of commutes difficult. Thankfully, they tend to be short-lived.
I think we're circling back to the point that a car is not necessarily a luxury item.
The judgementalism that goes on in this area is quite spectacular but let's just follow this through:
1) YOU are poor
2) YOU must get a job
3) Oh and SELL YOUR CAR - as you shouldn't be running a car on the benefits I PAY FOR
4) YOU MUST TAKE THIS JOB on offer
5) YOU CAN'T get to it on time without a car
6) WELL THEN, you made a bad choice in selling your car...
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Thing is, suppose you negotiate an hour. That would mean you could apply for the S Anston job if you had a car. You couldn't if you didn't. Which was my point - getting rid of the car reduces the pool of jobs you can apply for.
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
Yeah. That it takes an hour and a half.
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
Yeah. That it takes an hour and a half.
What's wrong with that?
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
Yeah. That it takes an hour and a half.
What's wrong with that?
The fact that you'd negotiated an hour's commute as being reasonable. Point is, it takes longer, and generally costs more, to do any given commute by public transport than by car. There comes a point, whether it be half an hour, two hours, four hours; £10 in fares, £50 in fares, £100 in fares, whatever, where a commute will be too long or too expensive to be reasonable. That point will come sooner by public transport. Therefore not having a car restricts the number of jobs you can apply for, because there will be some jobs that are commutable by car but not by public transport.
How hard is this concept?
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I think we're circling back to the point that a car is not necessarily a luxury item.
Again.
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The judgementalism that goes on in this area is quite spectacular but let's just follow this through:
1) YOU are poor
2) YOU must get a job
3) Oh and SELL YOUR CAR - as you shouldn't be running a car on the benefits I PAY FOR
4) YOU MUST TAKE THIS JOB on offer
5) YOU CAN'T get to it on time without a car
6) WELL THEN, you made a bad choice in selling your car...
Indeed, but let's not forget these either:
7) SELL YOUR CLOTHES - because poor people have no business having better clothes than Hard-Working Taxpayers, even if selling a sackful of clothes (if you can find anybody willing to buy them) only gets you about £5 which is barely enough for a day's food and won't help very much... and when you finally get a job you'll have to pay considerably more than £5 to replace them.
8) Oh wait - you can't get a job because you don't have any suitable clothes for a job interview? WELL THEN, maybe you shouldn't have got rid of your office clothes. Or your makeup, if female, because it's a well-known fact that women attending job interviews are more likely to get the job if they are wearing makeup.
I don't usually wear makeup, so last time I had a job interview I had to buy it specially. It cost about £50 for a basic going-to-the-office look. Just as well I wasn't on unemployment benefit at the time, isn't it, or I wouldn't have been able to eat that week.
I did get the job, though.
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alienfromzog: quote:
The judgementalism that goes on in this area is quite spectacular but let's just follow this through:
1) YOU are poor
2) YOU must get a job
3) Oh and SELL YOUR CAR - as you shouldn't be running a car on the benefits I PAY FOR
4) YOU MUST TAKE THIS JOB on offer
5) YOU CAN'T get to it on time without a car
6) WELL THEN, you made a bad choice in selling your car...
Indeed, but let's not forget these either:
7) SELL YOUR CLOTHES - because poor people have no business having better clothes than Hard-Working Taxpayers, even if selling a sackful of clothes (if you can find anybody willing to buy them) only gets you about £5 which is barely enough for a day's food and won't help very much... and when you finally get a job you'll have to pay considerably more than £5 to replace them.
8) Oh wait - you can't get a job because you don't have any suitable clothes for a job interview? WELL THEN, maybe you shouldn't have got rid of your office clothes. Or your makeup, if female, because it's a well-known fact that women attending job interviews are more likely to get the job if they are wearing makeup.
I don't usually wear makeup, so last time I had a job interview I had to buy it specially. It cost about £50 for a basic going-to-the-office look. Just as well I wasn't on unemployment benefit at the time, isn't it, or I wouldn't have been able to eat that week.
I did get the job, though.
Off-topic, but you were shopping in the wrong places if you had to spend £50 on a basic makeup look! I am a self-confessed makeup addict and my current favourite lipstick costs £1.99 in Superdrug and has a lovely texture. You can get good makeup cheaply quite easily now. Mascara, blusher, powder and a my-lips-but-better lipstick is more than enough for the office and you can get all of that for well under £20, probably under £10 depending on what brands you have available. Boots Natural Collection has a permanent 3 for £5 offer on and I love their blusher.
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<cost of makeup tangent> Yes, I probably could have got it cheaper, but as I don't buy it regularly I have no real incentive to search out the best bargains. I'll bear your suggestions in mind if I have to buy any more, though.
I think I still have some blusher that I bought ten years ago...
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<cost of makeup tangent> Yes, I probably could have got it cheaper, but as I don't buy it regularly I have no real incentive to search out the best bargains. I'll bear your suggestions in mind if I have to buy any more, though.
I think I still have some blusher that I bought ten years ago...
It wasn't meant as criticism at all by the way, but there are some good budget beauty blogs out there (though make sure they are British based as US drugstore makeup brands are different). Pound shops often have (perfectly good) end of line stock in.
And eek at 10yo blusher! Makeup actually does go off although powder formulas last the longest. Actually mascara having a 3-month shelf life is why I always buy cheap mascara, expensive ones aren't worth it. And get some eyelash curlers - even pound shop ones make a huge difference.
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Well, it does touch on a topic that is germane to this thread. After all, being a savvy consumer is also made much easier if you have access to websites, blogs etc. and that's far easier if you have access to a computer and broadband - which is in turn is much easier if you own a computer yourself.
Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
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What all these people who are blithely saying 'if you're unemployed you can just sell all your belongings to make ends meet' fail to realise, though, is that a lot of second-hand stuff has very little market value. Of course you could sell your computer - but as Chris says, that's going to make your job-hunting difficult if not impossible, to say nothing of your banking if you have an online account. You could sell your telly; you might get £50-£100 for it. That's not going to pay your living expenses for long. You won't get much (if anything) for your clothes; thanks to Primark and the various charity shops, clothes are so cheap that most people will not be interested in yours unless you have a wardrobe full of designer outfits. You could sell your house, but it takes several months even if you're lucky enough to get a buyer immediately and it costs money - and you'll need somewhere else to live when you've done it, so you probably won't be much better off unless you are moving from an area where house prices are very high to somewhere where they're considerably lower. And by the time you've sold the house you might have got another job anyway.
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
Yes. Unemployed applicants aren't exactly in a strong negotiating position.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
Yeah. That it takes an hour and a half.
What's wrong with that?
Indeed - for four years I commuted from the north of Leeds to the Pennines by bus/train/another bus And back again every day.
In my last job it took me one hour across the city every day, each way.
Trouble is that buses and trains are not very reliable. Teachers can't be late when there is a tutor group crawling up the walls, almost literally, awaiting registration.
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If you could negotiate the hour it would be straight-forward catching the bus to South Anston, wouldn't it? (Or have I missed something?)
Yes. Unemployed applicants aren't exactly in a strong negotiating position.
Obviously it was stated long ago in this thread that it is not actually possibile to get to this job by public transport in time to start work.
However lets stay on this hypothetical situation and factor in the person being a single parent. Clearly an hour and a half commute adds 3 hours on to the working day. So not only does the person have to find enough money for bus fare out of their wage, but also cost of childcare.
A childcare survey found that Childminders who pick up children after school charge on average £72.78.
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However, clearly the person should stop 'defrauding the system', stop claiming any benefits, spend no time with the child and accept any job however unsuitable.
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Presumably, though, one wouldn't apply for a job one knows one cannot do (or would at least negotiate one's hours with one's manager)?
1. You don't have much choice - you have to apply for jobs, even unsuitable ones, to keep your benefits. Imagine how that must annoy those recruiting to get hundreds of job apps from people not qualified for the role.
A mate of mine was on jobseekers - as there are so few jobs where he is he MUST apply for nationally advertised ones. He's a great guy, caring, kind, honest, resourceful and very reliable but has only one O level. He was told to apply for senior sales manager jobs -- he's never done it, he doesn't drive because he's partially sighted. I know because he was doing that when he stayed with me.
My own experience of signing on is that when you start claiming you sit down with your adviser and decide on the parameters of your job search. This includes the travel time (which in my experience has been 60 - 90 minutes).
Well, the so called advisor set my daughter up to commute across the whole of Scotland as the parameter of her travel time.
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Well, it does touch on a topic that is germane to this thread. After all, being a savvy consumer is also made much easier if you have access to websites, blogs etc. and that's far easier if you have access to a computer and broadband - which is in turn is much easier if you own a computer yourself.
Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
Free computer access in public libraries. That's what I used.
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Originally posted by chris stiles:
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Well, it does touch on a topic that is germane to this thread. After all, being a savvy consumer is also made much easier if you have access to websites, blogs etc. and that's far easier if you have access to a computer and broadband - which is in turn is much easier if you own a computer yourself.
Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
Free computer access in public libraries. That's what I used.
Yes but only for an hour and obviously if you don't live near enough and have no car the cost of getting there is also an issue
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Libraries are being closed left, right and centre.
But if one lives in a city or town then usually there is one within walking distance.
If not, then where a job seeker signs on is hopefully also where a library Might be. Only if it's a small town then the library will not have enough computers...and as mentioned there is usually a time limit.
Which is where community based job clubs are really great, as hopefully there is not only an independent/ community job club in the town...hopefully the Job Centre signposts as well.
There is however a limit to the number of jobs that people can find and apply for while waiting for the x4 daily 446 back to ones village....
Truly, I now actually believe that policy makers have NO idea about the number of people who live in rural areas, nor of the different lifestyle that goes with living...oh I don't know, let's say Out Of London? (or any other major city in the uk)
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Well, it does touch on a topic that is germane to this thread. After all, being a savvy consumer is also made much easier if you have access to websites, blogs etc. and that's far easier if you have access to a computer and broadband - which is in turn is much easier if you own a computer yourself.
Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
Free computer access in public libraries. That's what I used.
Yes but only for an hour and obviously if you don't live near enough and have no car the cost of getting there is also an issue
It really depends where you are - where my parents live, you get unlimited free internet at the local libraries and just pay for printing.
Obviously there is a big problem with library internet use varying so much across the country. I have never lived in a rural area so don't know about those issues, which I'm sure are big - I was very fortunate and computer access was never an issue for me (when I was under 21 and in homeless young persons' hostels I could use college internet and the communal computers in the hostel).
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I think we're circling back to the point that a car - sorry I mean, computer with internet connection - is not necessarily a luxury item.
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Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
Free computer access in public libraries. That's what I used.
Yes but only for an hour and obviously if you don't live near enough and have no car the cost of getting there is also an issue
It really depends where you are - where my parents live, you get unlimited free internet at the local libraries and just pay for printing.
Obviously there is a big problem with library internet use varying so much across the country. I have never lived in a rural area so don't know about those issues, which I'm sure are big - I was very fortunate and computer access was never an issue for me (when I was under 21 and in homeless young persons' hostels I could use college internet and the communal computers in the hostel).
Heck, these days in the US just finding an open public library, much less one with free internet and printer hook-ups is a daunting task. Municipal budgets have been slashed so deeply that in many communities the libraries have been closed or hours are severely limited. You'd probably have better luck walking around a wealthy suburb trying to find someone with an open wifi hub.
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One aspect of homelessness that doesn't get much mention when we start talking about selling off your stuff is the element of denial. Most of the newly homeless I work with have a very hard time adjusting mentally to the construct that they may be homeless for a very long time. They cling to their "stuff" as an anchor to their past life. We often have clients who are sleeping on the street-- but paying $20 to $50/month for a storage facility somewhere filled with the remnants of their past life. This may go on for months and months, even years. They would indeed be better off selling the stuff or even walking away from it and saving up the $50 a month so they can get into an apt, even if they have nothing to sit on.
But hope dies hard. Memories of one's former life die hard. It's hard not to believe that it will all turn around tomorrow. And until we've been there I don't know that any of us would do any different.
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Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
Free computer access in public libraries. That's what I used.
Yes, I realise some people are able to do that. Around here - in a reasonably large university town - the public access computers are only available by the hour and have to be pre-booked, they are also broken quite often.
I was just anticipating the argument I sometimes see in these sort of discussions, that if someone is able to access the discussion then they must have a .. *shock* COMPUTER .. and are therefore living in the lap of luxury.
I wonder what standard of living for the unemployed - short of being in a poorhouse - would actually be acceptable to some of these people.
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But hope dies hard. Memories of one's former life die hard. It's hard not to believe that it will all turn around tomorrow. And until we've been there I don't know that any of us would do any different.
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Not to mention the ability to edit your CV/cover letter etc - all of which make it easier to find and apply for jobs. Presumably the computer is something you should sell off once unemployed though.
Free computer access in public libraries. That's what I used.
Yes, I realise some people are able to do that. Around here - in a reasonably large university town - the public access computers are only available by the hour and have to be pre-booked, they are also broken quite often.
I was just anticipating the argument I sometimes see in these sort of discussions, that if someone is able to access the discussion then they must have a .. *shock* COMPUTER .. and are therefore living in the lap of luxury.
I wonder what standard of living for the unemployed - short of being in a poorhouse - would actually be acceptable to some of these people.
Yes, people really do not understand the extent to which computers, internet access, phone access, a car etc are necessities and not luxuries. People can live without those things if they CHOOSE to do so but it's very difficult to live if you are forced not to have those things.
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.... I saw an interesting interview on the BBC last week with a woman who apparently was one of these people. She had a partner and a couple of children. She also had a house which was well furnished and her children were decently clothed. And she had a car. ...
And if her house was a mess, and her furniture was trashed, and her kids were in filthy rags, and her car was on blocks in the front yard, would that be equally "interesting"? How, exactly, should poor people dress their kids and maintain their homes? Badly or well? Because it sure looks like whatever they do, they will still be criticized by the privileged.
Privileged? You think I'm privileged? I'm unemployed myself - for the second time in 12 months. I work really, really hard to get work and keep getting it but none of it is permanent. So now my car (17 years old) is back off the road because to keep and run a car in my country - the UK - is expensive (unlike, perhaps, elsewhere in the world). I make a SORN (for off the road vehicles) and cancel my car insurance, because I cannot afford to run a car and claim benefits. Not unless I want to go without food, and unlike the woman in the news item I watched which was the original basis for my first post, I prefer not to starve.
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