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Tubbs

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
I am heartened to know that there are others who agree with me in seeing the TV film as non-canonical. Recently I was running through the list of Doctors in my mind, and was frustrated at being one short. Finally I discovered I had ommitted Paul McGann, because he just doesn't count as a Doctor IMNSVHO. (However, there was one good moment when a motorbike drove into the Tradis, and then came roaring out again.)

The TV film counts as a cannon as it was a BBC co-production and McCoy regerates into McGann. It wasn't McGann's fault that the pilot was so rubbish it was never commissioned into a series and he became the George Lazenby of Time Lords. As Gill H points out, the character appeared / developed in the the Big Finish adventures and the books - but only the truely dedicated have seen those. (I am not truely dedicated!)

[ETA: What I'm not sure about is whether some of the ideas introduced in the show are seen as cannon - such as the Doctor being half human on his mother's side. RTA's final show suggests that they aren't]

Wiki has a great list of actors who've played the Doctor in material that's not seen as cannon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actors_who_have_played_the_Doctor

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[ 23. April 2010, 11:24: Message edited by: Tubbs ]

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Tubbs

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Problem with Wiki is that you keep rummaging. They also have a list of actors who were considered for the Doctor or were offered the part and turned it down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actors_considered_for_the_part_of_the_Doctor

Some of them could have been great, but some of them ... [Projectile]

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Ariel
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Hugh Grant as Doctor Who? [Ultra confused]

"I - I - er - Daleks. Yes. Yes, of course. Um. Awfully sorry about your planet. Hope you'll soon find another. Must dash. Aaargh, why did I just say that?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Hugh Grant as Doctor Who? [Ultra confused]

"I - I - er - Daleks. Yes. Yes, of course. Um. Awfully sorry about your planet. Hope you'll soon find another. Must dash. Aaargh, why did I just say that?"

He was one of the people covered by [Projectile] It would have been wrong! (I'd have probably still watched it though [Hot and Hormonal] ).

Shame about Robert Lindsay though ... [Frown]

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We here are just about to see the second show tomorrow but I don't mind reading the spoilers as I'm not a expecting much good out of all this.

Was hoping for a non-angst experience, but the ending of the first episode on her wedding dress left me cold.

I prefer my doctors adventurous and my assistants following along and their group adventures adventurous. If I wanted super hero angst, I'd put Spiderman in the DVD player.

Yes...he's alone. We get it. Time to move on.

Moffat is a better writer then Russel T Davies( he who channels episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer gleefully it seems), and there are some great lines. But I fear it will all end with sooooo much overwrought goo....again.

As for what Moffat said about the actress companion, not surprising given they seem to think of the companions as romance novel characters.


Better then much on TV but not as good as it has been or could be.

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spoiler


soldier introducing himself as bishop with clerics under his command??? bit crusaderish??

see what they do with that

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I've complained to the BBC regarding the ludicrous and intrusive insertion of an animated "coming next" overlay right at the climax of today's episode.

The URL is here.

I'm really quite cross!

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I've just been catching up with the episodes (I have a rather wonderful boyfriend who taped them for me while I was TV-less).
Liked the first episode. I thought Matt Smith did well - liked the way he called the Atraxi back to tell them off, and the bit where all the previous faces of the Doctor appeared.

And about half way through the Space Whale one, I thought "This is a bit 'The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas', isn't it?" Except that the people in the Ursula le Guin story didn't get eaten by a space whale when they protested.
And when the Doctor said "We are observers only," I actually shouted "You liar!" at the screen.

So tonight I'm watching the Daleks one (rather looking forward to Spitfires in Space).

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Loved the beginning - nice and Bond-ish. The two-parters always seem to be better than the single episodes. Great to see the stone angels and River Song back too, next week should be fun.

The only thing I didn't like was Amy getting jealous over River. It's too early in the season for this and we've had enough female companions getting emotionally involved.

[ 24. April 2010, 18:43: Message edited by: Ariel ]

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Wow. Weeping angels and River Song!

Though bits were too similar to the library -- enemy for whom dark is a an advantage and so has to be light.

Now to wait for a week.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
The only thing I didn't like was Amy getting jealous over River. It's too early in the season for this and we've had enough female companions getting emotionally involved.

Was Amy getting jealous over River? I got the opposite impression: I thought she was finding the whole situation amusing. IIRC River told her that the relationship was not as simple as them being married, and Amy said that it so was.

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I watched Blink for the first time (on DVD) this afternoon, in time for this week's episode. I hadn't realised that the famous Sally Sparrow was played by Carey Mulligan (who has since gone on to great things).

Tonight's episode changed the rules on the Angels a couple of times. (One of the rule changes has implications that I would hope most younger viewers do not think of...)

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As soon as the Doctor mentioned the fact that the deceased race who built the temple had two heads, we wondered why the statues didn't.

Father, who is a vicar, loved the Bishop with his twenty clerics and verger in charge of explosives. Really tickled his funny bone.

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Where was the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch?

Much better pacing this week. Quite enjoyed it. A bit of atmosphere. Annoyed by the banner trailer too near the end. Looking forward to next week.

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Spoilers...


Really enjoyable episode.

I wasn't too taken with the Weeping Angels at first, as I'd kind of found them a bit odd, though genuinely scary, in "Blink". Giving them the voice of Bob made them more terrifying as they appear to be a thinking, manipulative enemy not just feral creatures.

It's fun having River back as well and it makes me think there's more a mystery there than simply her being his wife. It's definitely interesting that she means that the Doctor doesn't know everything, and so another character can one-up him.

The Church militant thing was interesting but just seemed to be a bit of a side joke without really being explained, or to make comments about faith. However, the idea of the Church having a team of monster hunters is often explored in fiction, though I think it's the first time in Doctor Who. (And the comments about the church being critical of self-marriage seemed to be making fun of RTD's often-maligned gay references that sometimes seemed to be designed to provoke rather than push forward characters or plot - although on that note, there were no Scottish references tonight!)

Looking forward to next week, the Doctor's speech about not putting him in a trap was fantastic!

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Spoilers <not sure how this works in this forum>

Both me & other half were annoyed at the on-screen graphic. Have fired off strongly worded missive to Aunty Beeb via the online complaints form.

I agree, I didn't think Amy was jealous. I was a bit worried we'd have another gooey-eyed companion, but she seems to be able to hold her own, and didn't come across as 'threatened' by River.

Liked the Bishop, esp. that the Verger appeared to be in charge of the explosives!

Looking forward to next week

Saw the second half of confidential - Loved that it was filmed in the Clearwell Caves (Forest of Dean) haven't been there in years [Smile]


(edited for brain fade and spelling)

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"Bishop, lock and load!"

How long before someone has that sig on the Ship?

I didn't find the Angels as scary this time, partly because it's not our world (despite looking suspiciously like Llantwit beach at times, yes?) and so there isn't that creepy thing of the familiar being scary.

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By the way - later on in 'Over The Rainbow', Graham Norton mentioned that the girls would need to cope with dialects.

Was I the only one who thought he said 'cope with Daleks'?

If so, then maybe that irritating 'coming next' graphic was all part of the story arc. Graham Norton breaks through the crack in time...!

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Spoilers

nice episode, the best yet in my opinion. The speach at the end was very good, with the music adding the right amount of atmosphere. Spent half the time wondering if there were going to be any more hell calls over this series's approach to the church and if Moffat is a lurker in Hell. Either that or the end of the series is going to be fought out in a church.
Which might be kinda cool.

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Agree with Gill H - the Angels weren't as scary as original time out. Interesting that River Song first turned up in the Library episode which was also to do with "Orrible Fings Wot Happens In Teh Dark* - and the hint from The Bishop that she might be some kind of double-agent.

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Hmm, I'm going against the flow here in saying was wasn't impressed with last night's episode. In fact, I'm now prepared to say that I'm finding this series a bit of a disappointment (I'll still watch it, of course) - somehow it's all too frentic, too much rushing about and not enough characterisation.

Speaking of which, I felt there was a major inconsistency with Amy. We are still early in her history with the Doctor (the fact that she can say, "You promised me a planet," shows there hasn't been lots of stuff happening that we haven't seen) yet she kept saying, "You never do X," or, "You would never do Y". How does she know?

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
In fact, I'm now prepared to say that I'm finding this series a bit of a disappointment (I'll still watch it, of course) - somehow it's all too frentic, too much rushing about and not enough characterisation.

It's been like that for a long time, though. That's why they won't pick an older actor for the part of the Doctor, because they have to be physically fit enough to cope with a lot of rushing about.

Interesting that Amy shows no signs of culture shock, disorientation or missing home, nor even mention the forthcoming wedding. It's quite a contrast to when the Doctor gave the homesick Rose a mobile so she could phone her mum.

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I enjoyed the episode - although I was annoyed that the "rules" of the angels seemed to have changed...while also thinking that it made them badder (esp when they took on (sacred) Bob's voice)
Daffyd said Tonight's episode changed the rules on the Angels a couple of times. (One of the rule changes has implications that I would hope most younger viewers do not think of...) - I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain? Probably I'm just being fick.

I too was extremely irritated by the intrusive pop up thingy...especially as the climax was sodramatic. I have complained to the BBC. Let's see what happens....

Forgot to say I'm not liking Amy as much as I'd hoped. I don't find her sympathetic and like others have said, she doesn't seem to give a monkey's that she has left everyone behind. And she seems too much of a know-all.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jahlove:
Agree with Gill H - the Angels weren't as scary as original time out. Interesting that River Song first turned up in the Library episode which was also to do with "Orrible Fings Wot Happens In Teh Dark* - and the hint from The Bishop that she might be some kind of double-agent.

and also also has ghost voices.


Not sure how they're going to anchor Riverdance it's going to be quite hard getting backwards timelines making sense. I'm not sure about Miss Pond, there's clearly something wrong. They also seem to have returned to the traditional hem-lines, I'm not quite sure what to think to that.
I thought the pace was better in the episode, partly helped by the enemy being known and distant.
Was a bit disturbed by the 'come and see', wondering if it was an attempt at taking TWAITW mantle with a dig at Nathaniel. Probably more so that that than the bishop with guns (when of course they'd have heart suppression beams to avoid spilling blood and cos it's the future).

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The new series is going a lot better than I feared. I just loved David Tennant but think there is something more 'docterish' about Matt. Maybe it's because he not quite so (gorgeously) overwhelming but has definitive presence?

I quite liked the idea that River Song is a bit of a 'chancer'. Question: did she say to Amy that this wasn't the actual doctor she has THE relationship with, or did I imagine that? (Like not this incarnation?)

I also like the fact that Matt's Dr was somwhaT overwhelmed by River and not that happy to be having to help her out. This gave the sense of him being not just younger but a wee bit 'fusty'. There's definitely something young fogyish about Matt, which Tennant did not embody being every bit the cool dude.

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I wondered about the angels being able to move when other angels were watching/seeing them... Surely in a cave with that many angels in it with any light at all they'd all be locked solid rather than able to move as it seems like they can...
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quote:
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Surely in a cave with that many angels in it with any light at all they'd all be locked solid rather than able to move as it seems like they can...

That's occurred to me. I hope we'll get an explanation next week. It may have to do with them having had their eyes eroded away.

The two/three red shirt soldiers going off and getting killed was predictable. Their commanding officer fails genre savvy spectacularly. The sequence where they got killed would have been vastly improved with a shot of the angel behind them, rather than the shot of the angel lunging.

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I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain? Probably I'm just being fick.

One of the rule changes is that an angel can now get through any television set that's showing it. You're watching it on a television set. Don't look away.
Perhaps that's too obvious to spell out.

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Youngest Rogueling (aged 7) has finally decided to actually watch Dr Who. Hooray!

Last night's episode made her go and chat to Mrs Rogue in another room. The programme still works!

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What is TWAITW and who is Nathaniel? (out of touch)
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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:

quote:
Originally posted by Dormouse:
I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain? Probably I'm just being fick.

One of the rule changes is that an angel can now get through any television set that's showing it. You're watching it on a television set. Don't look away.
Perhaps that's too obvious to spell out.

It didn't occur to me when watching, I'm afraid.
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quote:
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What is TWAITW and who is Nathaniel? (out of touch)

In earlier threads it was observed Russel Davies is openly atheist.
However there were a number of scenes where the Doctor seemed to have nicked the script from Aslan and/or Jesus. The episode with the face of Bo and the underground cars had 'adibe with me', and numerous other scenes where you might jump to the conclusion he was Christian*.
Hence the threads described him as The Worst Atheist In the World.

When the dialogue began and with the church newly introduced I saw a resonance with John 2
"Nazareth" explained Nathanael "Can anything good come from Nazareth?"
"Come and see for yourself" said Philip.
But with something very bad obviously happening, a form of dys-vangilism. It was probably a co-incidence as nothing really happened to build on it
(Dr made one comment '(bad thing) just like the church' that caused offence to the bishop?, but then the bishop made one speech about not abandoning lives-on neither of which I really caught the actual words).

*I guess there's a lesson to be learnt from that, but I'm not quite sure what it is.

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I completely loved it. The angels were just as scary second time round (I got the coming out of the telly thing and it really freaked me out) Have had a totally rubbish week and needed something to take my mind off stuff. Glad I watched it.
(I have to admit I actually had a mini-nightmare about angels coming out of the telly. Sort of aware it was a dream and could quite enjoy being scared by it.)

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:

quote:
Originally posted by Dormouse:
I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain? Probably I'm just being fick.

One of the rule changes is that an angel can now get through any television set that's showing it. You're watching it on a television set. Don't look away.
Perhaps that's too obvious to spell out.

It didn't occur to me when watching, I'm afraid.
Didn't occur to me either, but now you mention it ... [Ultra confused]

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quote:
Originally posted by Jay-Emm:


When the dialogue began and with the church newly introduced I saw a resonance with John 2
"Nazareth" explained Nathanael "Can anything good come from Nazareth?"
"Come and see for yourself" said Philip.


I was more reminded of Revelation:



6:1 I saw that the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as with a voice of thunder, "Come and see!"

6:2 And behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow. A crown was given to him, and he came forth conquering, and to conquer.

6:3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come!"

6:4 Another came forth, a red horse. To him who sat on it was given power to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another. There was given to him a great sword.

6:5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come and see!" And behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a balance in his hand.

6:6 I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A choenix of wheat for a denarius, and three choenix of barley for a denarius! Don't damage the oil and the wine!"

6:7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the fourth living creature saying, "Come and see!"


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I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain? Probably I'm just being fick.

One of the rule changes is that an angel can now get through any television set that's showing it. You're watching it on a television set. Don't look away.
Perhaps that's too obvious to spell out.

It didn't occur to me when watching, I'm afraid.
Didn't occur to me either, but now you mention it ... [Ultra confused]
SNAP! [Eek!]

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Sorry for the double post. From the tasters for next week's episode, it looked as though the opposite of "Don't even blink!" occurs for Amy, and she can't look at the angels...or even open her eyes...

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Well, having watched the opening episode live with family, and the next 3 almost back-to-back from recordings on my return to civilisation, I'm fairly impressed. I couldn't easily imagine Matt Smith as the Doctor, because I was visualising DT, but I really like what he's doing with it, emphasising his egotism and stuffy cantankerousness. Yes, there are plot holes and unexplained elements and all that sort of thing, but it's easily living up to the mark set by previous series.

Shhhh! SPOILERS


I enjoyed the Smilers and Winders and all that stuff in The Beast Below, which could have come straight out of Classic Who, but had a modern twist in the plot. The basic concept behind the story was reminiscent of any number of plots from other series (Torchwood being the obvious one, as mentioned above), but in a sense that didn't matter, because it was such a late reveal, and the real story, IMO, was in the way ordinary people can do terrible things because they don't have the courage to do anything else. The precise detail of the terrible thing they were doing was secondary. Liz 10's discovery wasn't surprising, but it was still poignant.

Victory of the Daleks seemed like an interesting concept, and it worked in a way, but ultimately, it felt like a device for rebooting Dalek history for what feels like the 15th time but mainly creating a whole series of "new design" collect-em-all Dalek figures to flog to impressionable kiddies. There was lots that didn't work very well, and the Spitfires in space were ridiculous.

The Time of Angels was interesting. I was worried about Moffat digging up the Weeping Angels again so early, and wasn't sure it would live up to the high standard set by Blink, even though (or possibly because) Blink had been a cheap filler episode. However, I was pleasantly surprised. The set-up was nicely done, although the "Redshirts" were rather obvious, River Song provided enough plot and interest to cover an episode of lots of things not moving, and the reveal was cracking.

The Angels' use of Scared Bob to communicate was a nice idea, especially as he was passing on his sinister message so they still didn't speak themselves which could have shattered the aura, but it seemed a bit too similar to the spookiness of the voice recordings in Silence in the Library. I hope Moffat has still got some new ideas. I was also a little disappointed that more wasn't made of the difference between Matt Smith and DT, and the way different regenerations, with different characters, presumably relate to River Song quite differently. That said, I wouldn't be upset if they decided to kill her off and break the timelines rather than constantly try to shoehorn her (with attendant timey-wimeyness) into stories.

I quite like Amy. She seems rather sure of herself, but that's a welcome change from the constant "visit the family" storylines, and it's plausible for her character. After all, she's "known" this strange man for most of her life, suffered enormous disappointment and a lot of therapy when he vanished, and is still (I think) quite angry with him about that, although that seems to be softening as she learns more about him and how scary the universe can be. She should be a good foil for his arrogance.

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Much stronger episode than 'Victory of the Daleks' IMO. For one thing, it was scary, and that for me at least is one of the essential ingredients of Who.

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Hugh Grant as Doctor Who? [Ultra confused]

"I - I - er - Daleks. Yes. Yes, of course. Um. Awfully sorry about your planet. Hope you'll soon find another. Must dash. Aaargh, why did I just say that?"

The Curse of Fatal Death - Comic Relief episode penned by Stephen Moffatt (sp?) in the mid 90s. He lasted as the Doctor for maybe a minute before regenerating again. I'll explain later.*

And the Angels are terrifying. Especially as you can't use CCTV or mirrors for them. (And the reflection in Amy's eyes in the trailer? Brr!)

* I think it's on Youtube if anyone's interested.

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I've complained to the BBC regarding the ludicrous and intrusive insertion of an animated "coming next" overlay right at the climax of today's episode.

The URL is here.

I'm really quite cross!

The BBC have now put their hands up and apologised.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8643684.stm

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As they bloody well should. Muppets. [Disappointed]

As someone else pointed out, if we want to know what's on next, we can use the on-screen guide, avail ourselves of the internet, or use one of those new-fangled listings magazines. We don't need animated Graham Nortons.

In fact, I can't see any situation that would warrant an animated Graham Norton except as a sign of the impending apocalypse.

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SPOILER

Does anyone have any thoughts on Amy not remembering the Daleks?

M.

[ 26. April 2010, 20:08: Message edited by: M. ]

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As they bloody well should. Muppets. [Disappointed]

As someone else pointed out, if we want to know what's on next, we can use the on-screen guide, avail ourselves of the internet, or use one of those new-fangled listings magazines. We don't need animated Graham Nortons.

In fact, I can't see any situation that would warrant an animated Graham Norton except as a sign of the impending apocalypse.

Virgin One do it too, on their afternoon reruns of Star Trek/Voyager/DS9, with their little red mascot scampering across the bottom of the screen.

[Roll Eyes]

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Does anyone have any thoughts on Amy not remembering the Daleks?

I thought it was linked in some way to the crack (in space/time?)

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tessaB, that was what I came up with too. I nearly put it in my post, but thought others might have different ideas. It's a good incident - I hope we'll hear more of it over the next episodes.

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I took it to mean that by some timey-wimey means Amy had come across the Daleks prior to the war-time adventure - and that we would be seeing her in conflict with them in a future episode.

As one who finds Daleks supremely boring I am decidedly cast down by the prospect [Frown] [Disappointed]

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and that we would be seeing her in conflict with them in a future episode.

And yes, to do with the crack.
I sincerely hope they are not saving it for the series finale.

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Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
I took it to mean that by some timey-wimey means Amy had come across the Daleks prior to the war-time adventure - and that we would be seeing her in conflict with them in a future episode.

Surely it means the exact opposite - that in her timeline, for some reason, the Daleks didn't come along, fight a pitched battle with a division of Cybermen in Canary Wharf, attempt to enslave the whole of the Earth, try to steal the planet to destroy the universe, etc.

The simple answer, if anything can be called such in the context of time travel, would be that the Doctor jumped down the wrong trouser leg of time while he was getting used to the new Tardis, and ended up in a timeline where this didn't happen for some reason - if he can miss his date by a decade or so, I'm sure he could end up in the wrong timeline. But for all the occasional timey-wimeyness, Doctor Who rarely seems to move beyond a linear model of time, only remembering the complications of time travel when they're needed for a plot device.

Because of that, and the way it was flagged, it seems to be building up to an "issue", most likely to be addressed in an exciting double-headed finale. My money's on the crack as well, but I don't see that it has to involve the Daleks in the finale. The Daleks could be one of many unrelated things which have changed as a consequence (intended or not) of whatever is going on with this crack.

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Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
I took it to mean that by some timey-wimey means Amy had come across the Daleks prior to the war-time adventure - and that we would be seeing her in conflict with them in a future episode.

Surely it means the exact opposite - that in her timeline, for some reason, the Daleks didn't come along, fight a pitched battle with a division of Cybermen in Canary Wharf, attempt to enslave the whole of the Earth, try to steal the planet to destroy the universe, etc.

The simple answer, if anything can be called such in the context of time travel, would be that the Doctor jumped down the wrong trouser leg of time while he was getting used to the new Tardis, and ended up in a timeline where this didn't happen for some reason - if he can miss his date by a decade or so, I'm sure he could end up in the wrong timeline. But for all the occasional timey-wimeyness, Doctor Who rarely seems to move beyond a linear model of time, only remembering the complications of time travel when they're needed for a plot device.

Because of that, and the way it was flagged, it seems to be building up to an "issue", most likely to be addressed in an exciting double-headed finale. My money's on the crack as well, but I don't see that it has to involve the Daleks in the finale. The Daleks could be one of many unrelated things which have changed as a consequence (intended or not) of whatever is going on with this crack.

I think that during his lifetime the Doctor must have jumped in and out of dozens of different timelines - otherwise given the number of times that Earth has been nearly destroyed/invaded etc even in the new series, there would be nothing left by now.

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One of the things nobody's commented on so far is that the Doctor's attitude to River Song is partly conditioned by the fact that the last time he saw her she was giving up her life for his.

I was thinking that just after River Song asks the Doctor to 'sonic me'. It's just occurred to me that, for the Doctor, the phrase 'sonic me' as applied to River must bring something quite different to mind than it does to River and Amy.

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