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Kelly Alves

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[Big Grin]

Caught Matt Smith's Graham Norton interview tonight-- what a delight. Every freaking word out of that guy's mouth was better than the one preceding it.

And I totally respected his passionate, mensch- worthy defense of Karen Gillian.

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1st. V good indeed.

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Narnia meets Avatar. Interesting. But quite good relaxing Christmas day stuff.

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That was pure magic. Loved the mum, the kids, the forest, the wooden people, the inept tree harvesters. Loved the story, the music, and possibly most of all the look, which was gorgeous.

And is Matt Smith simply the best actor ever to have played the Doctor? I think it's possible.

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Kelly Alves

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We need to re-do that poll. I was thinking about that the other day.

[ 25. December 2011, 20:20: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Yep. In a little puddle of tears now after that - "happy tears", of course!

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
We need to re-do that poll. I was thinking about that the other day.

I've been convinced of his genius since he first appeared. It's easy to concentrate on his hyperactive side, the big glittery Smith - but look at the subtle Smith. There's a scene in The Doctor's Wife where Idris/TARDIS is saying goodbye to him. Not only is his every tiny gesture absolutely true to life, he also somehow becomes very small and vulnerable and almost invisible as the scene plays out around him. That takes some doing. Tom Baker or Jon Pertwee could never have done that. Peter Davison, possibly.

Look again at how he played the final scene on tonight's show. When he was told there's always a place set for him at Christmas dinner, he goes very quiet and very still, and it's very beautiful and moving. Smith's acting is increasingly compared to (the great) Patrick Troughton's: personally, I think he's even better.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I've been convinced of his genius since he first appeared. It's easy to concentrate on his hyperactive side, the big glittery Smith - but look at the subtle Smith. There's a scene in The Doctor's Wife where Idris/TARDIS is saying goodbye to him. Not only is his every tiny gesture absolutely true to life, he also somehow becomes very small and vulnerable and almost invisible as the scene plays out around him. That takes some doing. Tom Baker or Jon Pertwee could never have done that. Peter Davison, possibly.


Oh, all that "hyperactive" stuff is a lot of fun, but you're right, it is the authenticity and vulnerability that keeps killing me. And he is incredibly generous to anybody who enters a scene with him, in an astonishingly total-somatic way (if that makes sense.) But yeah, especially the face. He gives great face. Damn.

I voted for Baker the first time around, but even then I kept moving my cursor back and forth. I guess I about wanted to think about it a while, and make sure I wasn't just basing my decision on (I'm gonna admit it) handsome.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
generous

I just wanted to end on that in discussing Smith, though, because both with the show and the interviews I've watched, that is the word that keeps popping up in my mind, over and over.

[ 25. December 2011, 21:36: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
We need to re-do that poll. I was thinking about that the other day.

If you asked me who the best Doctor was, who my favourite Doctor was and who the best actor to play the Doctor I'd give three different answers.

In a similar way I think Arthur Darvill is possibly the best actor to play a companion, yet I find the character Rory to be irritating.

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Really enjoyed the Christmas special. Loved all the references to Narnia (Digby, "What do they teach you in schools?" etc.) but the story worked well in its own right. Billy Bailey and friends were a bit of padding, but I liked the way the apparent villains were actually victims. Wasn't sure about the last few minutes, back in the present, but they were mercifully brief. Loved the Mum - wouldn't it be great if she could be the next companion? And Matt Smith, when well supported, is finally beginning to grow on me.

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Also liked the fact that the silly Christmas trailer had let me to expect one enemy hatching from the metal balls - and then something different happened!

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Finally got to see it all the way through-- added joy of watching this ep with Neph and my cousin Chris (I believe Chris and I have made a convert!)

Love:

The Willy Wonka-esque beginning part about the house remodel. "I know."The ten-year-old in me was giddy.

Madge, Madge, Madge. Wonderful.

The explosive cognitive paradigm shift of the Doctor figuring out he wasn't the "strong one" in this situation (Oh that needed to happen. And I kept thinking, "Adeodatus is gonna love this!)

And I liked the ending-- because Madge was right. She really was.

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Best Doctor? Tom Baker. Paradoxically Ace (Sophie Aldred) was my favourite companion. Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch since about 2003 because kuruman didn't want me to freak the kids out. I did see one set at Cardiff Arms Park and one featuring a car driving around the block and some Hermione Granger style time travel.

Sigh.

One day I'll catch up.

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The problem is I find myself strangely disappointed. I think - after some time thinking about it - that the problem is the quality of the BBC drama this year. Rev, The Shadow Line, The Fades, Lost Christmas, and others I cannot recollect at this point have raised the bar of drama. And I am not sure that DW has really stepped up.

Matt is a brilliant Doctor. The rest of the cast were excellent too. But I think the BBC has now set itself a challenge that all of its programmes will have to up their game.

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Disappointing. As usual, lots of snappy lines and a tearjerking ending, but the story was drivel from start to finish and the "surprise" was visible from miles away.

I want to like it, because Matt Smith is an exceptional Doctor and all the right elements seem to be present in the script, but I seem to be finding the programme increasingly vapid and superficial under Moffat's tenure. [Frown]

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Kelly Alves

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After some discussion with Adeodatus, I decided to go ahead and post this one last bit of fangirl gush, because he convinced me it wasn't as glurgy as I feared it was:
Adeodatus said:
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There's a scene in The Doctor's Wife where Idris/TARDIS is saying goodbye to him. Not only is his every tiny gesture absolutely true to life, he also somehow becomes very small and vulnerable and almost invisible as the scene plays out around him. That takes some doing."
I've only been watching the show for a couple years, but that is my vote for the most well-acted, moving, perfect scene ever put in the show.

Idris is absolutely incandescent in this scene. And most of it is because she's fabulous in and of herself--seriously, she was perfect-- but a big part of it is how much Smith is giving her. He's hanging on her every word and responding an a million little ways. You watch her slowly destroy him, and then (you're right) his voice comes out in that little whisper (don't go!), And Kelly starts weeping every time.

And once I noticed that, I started looking more closely-- you know what? He does that in every scene. He makes the person in the scene with him glow. I talked earlier in the season about the scene in "Closing Time" with the woman at the toy counter-- same thing there. The aborted seduction of Craig-- (hee!) same there. I said to my cousin last night that Tennant (much as I did like him) was a scene- stealer; Smith is a scene- giver.

I make teeny-bopper references to his handsomeness, but the truth is, when he first burst out of regeneration, I though he was kind of dorky- looking. I had to see how he used his face to appreciate how lovely he is.

Ok, I'll shut up now.

Well, one more thing...

Neph's father is really macho. He decided Christmas morning that family activities would interfere with his football watching, and opted to stay home. So here Neph is at my house, most of Christmas afternoon, hanging out with cool older nerd boys (and me) watching the marathon leading up to the special. The guys are bragging about how hard they cried at this or that episode, and discussing things like character development and motivation. All stuff that would have provoked a running commentary of sneer from Dad. And then the special comes on, and we all are treated to this joyful, emotionally expressive, physically warm, intellectually voracious example of masculine vivacity. And my Neph is riveted to the screen, eyes glowing, and declares it to be a " really, REALLY cool show!" This from the diehard Carlos Mencia fan. [Big Grin]

Neph got a lot of swag this year but as far as I am concerned, that show was the best gift he got.

[ 27. December 2011, 06:53: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
Disappointing. As usual, lots of snappy lines and a tearjerking ending, but the story was drivel from start to finish and the "surprise" was visible from miles away.

Well, yes, you could see that coming from the moment Madge got the telegram saying her husband was dead. But it's kids television, it's Christmas, it's going to have a happy ending.

For what it was, it was OK and interesting, though a bit too reliant on special effects. Moffatt has been simultaneously trying to write the new series of Sherlock as well I believe, so probably doesn't have as much creative energy to spare as he might have.

Amy Pond really is completely graceless and offhand though - couldn't be bothered to make any effort to be polite or even smile when the Doctor turned up, and the thing with the water pistol was beyond rude. I know it's only fiction but to me it said that's how someone behaves when they have no respect for the other person and know they can treat them how they want. The sooner she's out of the series, the better.

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quote:
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]Well, yes, you could see that coming from the moment Madge got the telegram saying her husband was dead. But it's kids television, it's Christmas, it's going to have a happy ending.

You could see that coming from the moment the camera cut away before we saw what happened to the bomber.

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Amy Pond really is completely graceless and offhand though - couldn't be bothered to make any effort to be polite or even smile when the Doctor turned up, and the thing with the water pistol was beyond rude. I know it's only fiction but to me it said that's how someone behaves when they have no respect for the other person and know they can treat them how they want.
To be fair, the Doctor had been letting them think he was dead. Also, I think there's a difference between treating someone with a lack of respect and playing at treating someone with a lack of respect because you know they know etc. that you respect them deeply.

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I am on Amys side with her treatment of the Doctor. He had treated her very badly, and she was very angry at this. She had put up with a lot from him.

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I was a bit worried about Anderson who was in a bad way in the back of bomber. Where did he and the other guy end up, when Dad's plane appeared on the lawn in front of Madge and the kids?

I decided to console myself by thinking that the same Magical Powers of Christmas Love that got Dad reunited with his wife and kids, got the other guy back to his family and got Anderson to a well-staffed emergency room just in time.

After watching the entire series of Doctor Who since the 2005 reboot on DVD with our kids in the last few months (my husband and I had seen only the first season and a few scattered David Tennant episodes, nothing with Matt Smith) we finally finished "The Wedding of River Song" last night. Which means I can now go back and reread this thread, which I used to occasionally click on and then quickly click away again, because ... spoilers ....

Matt Smith has grown on me, but I'll never love him like either Tennant or Eccleston.

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Thanks for posting that, Kelly. As I said, not remotely gushy: just a great exploration of what makes Smith's acting so great.

Something that I mentioned to Kelly, that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread yet - I've recently been following a blog called TARDIS Eruditorum, a brilliant, enthusiastic, often profound exploration of everything that Doctor Who ever has been. Something I particularly like (especially in the early entries) is the writer's attempt to understand how the shows might have been viewed by viewers of the time. I sometimes disagree with his analysis, but he's always readable (even the several thousand word timey-wimey entry on The Deadly Assassin).

Re: Amy in the Christmas episode. Doctor turns up on doorstep. Doctor thinks Amy think he's dead, doesn't know his wife (Amy's daughter) has spilled the beans about him still being alive. Amy doesn't know if he doesn't know, or if perhaps he does know. Doctor doesn't know that Amy knows there's something she shouldn't, or perhaps should, know.

Does this explain the awkward atmosphere? Oh, and the water pistol was for the carol singers - an attitude I sympathise with completely without necessarily condoning. [Biased]

(Yes. I'm an Amy fan. I've said from the start a character doesn't have to be likeable in order to be good, by which I mean well written and well acted. And I maintain Amy Pond is a good character. Rory, of course, is good and likeable and ... well ... [Hot and Hormonal] let's just leave it there, shall we?)

I'm working my way up to producing a season review, which I haven't done for a couple of years. Which means you might want to scroll past my next entry on this thread, especially if you notice it's quite long.

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The scene itself was kinda awkward, but she herself was kickass in it. That squirt gun won my heart. [Big Grin]

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
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Rory, of course, is good and likeable and ... well ... [Hot and Hormonal] let's just leave it there, shall we?)


[Big Grin]

We two are so brave in our authenticity.

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It would be a dull world if we were all alike. Even Peri probably had her supporters.

Anyway, apart from that I quite enjoyed the episode and agree that Matt Smith is shaping up nicely to be a good Doctor. He seems to have the right sort of face for the part somehow.

(Do carol singers - the sort that call round and try to serenade you at your front door - still exist? I haven't seen any for years.)

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quote:
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The scene itself was kinda awkward, but she herself was kickass in it. That squirt gun won my heart. [Big Grin]

It was a way of her expressing her irritation ( especially in sub-zero temperatures ) without causing harm. Very cool, very DW.

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It was a brilliant bit of fan-stroking to set the thing on Androzani!


[SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]


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Amy Pond really is completely graceless and offhand though - couldn't be bothered to make any effort to be polite or even smile when the Doctor turned up, and the thing with the water pistol was beyond rude. I know it's only fiction but to me it said that's how someone behaves when they have no respect for the other person and know they can treat them how they want.

I don't know what paralel world you watch TV in but the one that has the show the rest of us saw wasn't like that at all. The water pistol scene showed tremendous affection and also sadness - and a little bit of anger. Karen Gillan acted it beautifully. Just look at the expressions on her face! Really, all those things you thought you saw weren't there. Absolutely none of that rude dismissivness at all. Its must be because you took against her for some reason that you missed what she was actually doing on screen.

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As usual, lots of snappy lines and a tearjerking ending, but the story was drivel from start to finish and the "surprise" was visible from miles away.

It was obvious from the begining that the husband would somehow be saved, deliberately telegraphed ahead when the Doctor said he would return to grant a wish and we immediately were shown the failing bomber. So we expected that, there was no real suspense in it.

The twist in the plot was the way the rescue was done. We know that the Doctor is a timetraveller and so we were led to expect that he would use the Tardis to go back and save the bomber crew which means the scriptwriters would have had to find some way round the long-established rule that that sort of interference is a Bad Thing. If only because it renders all plots irrelevant because any problems cabn be fixed.

So we, the viewers, anticipate a scene where the Doctor says something like Well, I, er, um, could go back in time to December 1942 but its Not Allowed because we might accidentally destroy the world, or get stuck in a time loop, or bud off a pocket universe, or turn half the population of Lincolnshire into zombies, or release a plague of Psychic Chrono-worms from the Dark Side of Time or whatever. And then someone would comne up with some handwaving reason why it was OK just this once and the Doctor would do it, and the bloke would be alive, but something somewhere would be lost just to show they mean it.

But this time it didn't work like that, and the scriptwriters side-stepped all the Doctor's problems in a "Some days everybody lives" kind of way. Sussed immediately we saw the time-vortex graphics from inside the tower. The Doctor didn't have to save the day at all - the mother could do it herself. In fact had to do it to get home,

And yes, we were crying. But in my case not so much for the fictional bomber pilot who was saved - because as I said the viewers all expected that - but for all the hundreds of thousands, all the millions, of men who in real life were never saved and who never returned to their wives and children.

But there was still over ten minutes of the programme to go. And that was where the visit to Amy and Rory came in. Which worked.

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Ken, you're entitled to your opinion - but that's all it is, opinion. To rubbish another shipmate's opinion so thoroughly is unnecessary rudeness. Surely enough has been said earlier in this thread for you to realise that, however highly you rate Karen Gillan, there are many other Whovians who disagree with you. Do they all inhabit a parallel world?

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Just a little reminder to ken and Robert Armin that we don't attack each other here. Keep it Heavenly, OK?

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The scene itself was kinda awkward, but she herself was kickass in it. That squirt gun won my heart. [Big Grin]

It was a way of her expressing her irritation ( especially in sub-zero temperatures ) without causing harm. Very cool, very DW.
I thought about the sub-zero aspect, and that only made it funnier to me. I guess because I have a mean streak. [Big Grin]

Also, I kinda like it when The Doctor gets taken down a notch or two. He (the character) would be unbearable if that didn't happen once in a while.

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I don't know what parallel world you watch TV in but the one that has the show the rest of us saw wasn't like that at all.

What, all of you? Every single person in the UK? [Razz]

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The water pistol scene showed tremendous affection and also sadness - and a little bit of anger. Karen Gillan acted it beautifully. Just look at the expressions on her face!
This is exactly what I mean. She doesn't have a particularly expressive face at the best of times and in this particular scene what I saw was that she maintained a cold, hardboiled stare for most of the time. Matt Smith was far more convincing than she was.

Amy was remarkable for an almost complete lack of affection apart from the hug and I don't regard the water pistol as much evidence of it. As a character she isn't someone who wears her heart on her sleeve, but given the other episodes in the series, I quite often found myself wondering throughout the series whether she was capable of feeling anything much at all. Some people genuinely are shallow and materialistic, she has always seemed like such to me.

Anyhow, we will have to agree to disagree as usual and leave it at that. It's only light entertainment, after all, not something to be taken too seriously.

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ken, I'm glad you thought of the stadium full of crews who didn't make it back (and I haven't seen the episode yet being at non-Who watching relatives). When I learned of the numbers, I couldn't help seeing the arena in heaven in "A Matter of Life and Death", full of them. And then of the men who kept on sending them out to die.

And then of my friend's father, who was a "lucky" pilot, and did come back, but whose family is still dealing with the flak, and the others like him, who never quite adjusted to being back, and whose partners never quite adjusted to the person they no longer knew.

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Just a little reminder to ken and Robert Armin that we don't attack each other here. Keep it Heavenly, OK?

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My apologies, jedijudy. I tried to keep my disagreement with ken Purgatorial; I am sorry if I failed to do so.

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Have to agree with Kelly vis-a-vis the difference between Tennant and Smith's Doctors - not just the characters as written, because they both have that jaw-dropping Time-Lord arrogance - but in the acting. Tennant was fantastic, sparking, electric, and you didn't want to take your eyes off him, he was doing so much in every second. Smith, as Kelly pointed out above, can be every inch the hyperactive enfant terrible, but he has brought a nuanced sensitivity and depth to the expression of the Doctor's character that allows others to be visible too - and supports their work so that the whole thing links together and becomes much more synergistic.
Ooh. Good stuff! [Cool]

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quote:
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Smith... can be every inch the hyperactive enfant terrible, but he has brought a nuanced sensitivity and depth to the expression of the Doctor's character that allows others to be visible too - and supports their work so that the whole thing links together and becomes much more synergistic.
Ooh. Good stuff! [Cool]

Nicely, concisely put. Also, there's an odd joviality to his particular brand of arrogance --Yes, I'm a screaming narcissist and that is a character flaw, but it makes me all the more lovable, doesn't it? (My cousin reminded me of one scene where he's poking around in the TARDIS and sighs, " I'm up here being impressive and nobody's here to watch..."

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(forgot to add) RE above-- another thing I glean from interviews is that Smith seems to have a genuine affection for his character-- he seems to really like the old guy.

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quote:
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Yes, I'm a screaming narcissist and that is a character flaw, but it makes me all the more lovable, doesn't it?

It's partly that he's never narcissistic beyond the point where he's lovable. In fact, when he's preoccupied and self-pitying and not listening it's usually because he's pretending not to be concerned about someone else.

(The exchange between him and Amy in The Time of Angels is typical. Ostensibly he's being self-pitying about having to go into a cave system and kill an angel without knowing how; in fact, he's thinking about River because the last time he saw her she was dead. On the face of it, Amy's non-sequitur yes I'm still bothering you even though you asked me not to seems unfeeling; in fact, she's asking the Doctor to talk about what's really troubling him.) When in The Impossible Astronaut he says he's being awfully clever and nobody's watching him, what he's really saying is 'you lot should all know that keeping information from me is not going to make things better'.

As with the Troughton and McCoy Doctors one's never quite sure what parts of the antic madcap persona are put on and what parts are real but the Doctor is exploiting.

[ 28. December 2011, 14:22: Message edited by: Dafyd ]

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I thought I caught one huge howler - the scene near the beginning but AFTER the start of the war, Madge and the kids are in a lighted living room with lights ON and the street lights outside also ON. WHAT ABOUT THE BLACKOUT!!!

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It also occurred to me that there's an awful lot of war to go, and bomber pilot is a high risk occupation - so he could get killed in the very next raid he goes on. It just won't be at Christmas time.

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... the very next raid he goes on.

I doubt if the RAF would be eager to risk one of their very expensive big bombers to a pilot who not only landed one on the lawn of his uncles house but also didn't tell anyone for six days!

Depending on how well he tells his story he's either going to spend the rest of the war cleaning latrines, or else training new pilots in navigation without instruments and emergency landing techniques.

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Just got around to watching it. It was good. Felt quite lean on actual story, not sure why.

Claire Skinner was great. A bit emotional manipulative perhaps but I did fall for all the mummy stuff and cried on queue.

Matt Smith is excellent.

I'm not Ms Gillan's biggest fan but what I got from the water-pistol scene was someone who's incredibly glad to see her friend alive but angry at the same time.

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Something that I mentioned to Kelly, that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread yet - I've recently been following a blog called TARDIS Eruditorum, a brilliant, enthusiastic, often profound exploration of everything that Doctor Who ever has been.

I would just like to report that that is a horrible way to waste hours of my life. Have you come across Adventures with the Wife in Space?

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Thank you, Dafyd - I have just been laughing until tears came to my eyes over the review of The Curse of Peladon!
(My Young Man knows the actor who was inside the Alpha Centauri costume - and, innocent child as I was back in the 1970s, I never thought of him as a "penis in a shower curtain"!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:
quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Something that I mentioned to Kelly, that I don't think has been mentioned in this thread yet - I've recently been following a blog called TARDIS Eruditorum, a brilliant, enthusiastic, often profound exploration of everything that Doctor Who ever has been.

I would just like to report that that is a horrible way to waste hours of my life. Have you come across Adventures with the Wife in Space?
Dafyd, I haven't laughed so much in ages. I'd never heard of that! I love Sue!

(I've decided to read it from the beginning. I've been on it for an hour, I've got as far as Planet of Giants, and I've just noticed I haven't had anything to eat yet....)

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Hosting

I'm not sure time counts on a time travel thread, but:

It's mid evening New Year's Eve in the easternmost nations (now including Samoa) so one of us may wind this up in the next few hours, and kick off a new thread.

Keep on whoing in twenty twelve, twenty five twenty five, eighteen twelve, wheneva

(and don't put an "r" in that verb, though it may be more lucrative)

Oh, and Happy New Year.

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Thread hard-drived [Big Grin] I have a feeling this will be a a memorable year.

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Just got around to watching it. It was good. Felt quite lean on actual story, not sure why.

I felt "we've been here before" - the repetition of the parent-saves-child story, which has been rather over used in the past couple of seasons.

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I've just tried the TARDIS Eruditorium, to be greeted with this:
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"Jack always said it was difficult for us Americans to understand what it was really like here in the darkest parts of the eighties. We had a doddery old President who talked about the end of the world a little too often and was being run by the wrong people. But they had a Prime Minister who was genuinely mad. You know there were even feminists and women's studies theorists who denied she was even really a woman anymore, she was so far out of her tree? She wanted concentration camps for AIDS victims, wanted to eradicate homosexuality even as an abstract concept, made poor people choose between eating and keeping their vote, ran the most shameless vote-grabbing artificial war scam in fifty years... England was a scary place. No wonder it produced a scary culture." - Warren Ellis, Planetary #7
Not a lot of laughs there, but plenty of material for the State Funeral thread. On the other hand - what has it got to do with the Doctor?

[ 31. December 2011, 11:43: Message edited by: Robert Armin ]

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Robert, that's one of the "Pop Between Realities, Home in Time For Tea" entries on the Eruditorum, which look at political and cultural issues contemporary with whatever Doctor Who stories he's dealing with at the time. He did a scorching piece on Mary Whitehouse a few weeks ago. [Big Grin]

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By the way, if we're going to have a new thread, isn't there an issue of the title? What about something really obscure this time? Like "Not Just a Degree in Cheese Making" (from God Complex). And mightn't a new thread sag a bit, since it's looking like the series won't return till late 2012?

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