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I saw her in last week's, but must have blinked at the vital moment in the previous ones, as I hadn't seen her before.

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DON'T BLINK!!! [Eek!]

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Originally posted by Dafyd:

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It was when they were all holed up sleeping in the cabin that Amy saw her.


Where was the Doctor in that scene? I remember the captain & his son having a heart to heart and Rory and Amy curled up asleep on the floor. But no Doctor.

And, despite all my grumbles, it's still the best thing on telly by far and I love it really.

M.

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And, despite all my grumbles, it's still the best thing on telly by far and I love it really.
Agreed. And, as a long term fan, I can cope with the series having downs as well as ups. However, I do feel worried about the children. There are several kids I know who are great fans, but only of the new series, of course. They are used to Who being brilliant and these days look vaugely puzzled or hurt if I chat to them. They know, in their heart of hearts, it isn't terribly good at the moment but their loyalty prevents them from admitting that, maybe even to themsleves. Let's hope Gaiman gives us something we can all cheer up about.

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quote:
Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
I saw her in last week's, but must have blinked at the vital moment in the previous ones, as I hadn't seen her before.

It was in the children's home, she looked back at the door and it was different.
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Well, the pirates weren't my favourites, but an ok episode with some good dialogue. I am guessing that the eye patch lady is somehow monitoring or even controlling Amy's dreams, although why is beyond me.

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quote:
Originally posted by mrs whibley:
I disagree.
I think the series is perfectly enjoyable if you miss the added details and the subtle clues. I do, most of the time!
In a way, those who miss these bits experience the adventures more in the way that the central characters do (to whom, one supposes, the future is a closed book and every twist is a total surprise). The point to me is not that the programmes demand total attention, but that they reward it.

Exactly. The ongoing storylines are an added bonus. The appearances of the eyepatch woman, for example, aren't "vital clues", they're just there to tease for an upcoming story. If you notice, it helps tie things together, and if you don't, then it'll all get recapped when it proves significant anyway.

I'm really excited about tonight's episode - I love Neil Gaiman's writing, and he's perfect for Doctor Who. Apparently today's Times gives away the plot, so avoid if you want to avoid spoilers!

Anyway, my podcast commentary for The Curse of the Black Spot is now online. You can also find the Impossible Podcast on iTunes if you fancy subscribing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
They know, in their heart of hearts, it isn't terribly good at the moment but their loyalty prevents them from admitting that, maybe even to themsleves.

Opinions, opinions. The new series used to be rubbish.
Let's be honest: Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace?(*), Human Nature/ The Family of Blood, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, Midnight, and The Waters of Mars were all worth watching.
The rest I couldn't really care about at all. Even Dalek is overrated.
Now there have certainly been some poor episodes with Matt Smith: The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood was dire, for example. (Although the premise could have been much better, and it was nowhere near as awful as Planet of the Ood.) But there hasn't been anything that has made me think I don't care whether I miss the Doctor this week.

(*) I haven't seen it.

[ 14. May 2011, 12:11: Message edited by: Dafyd ]

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Robert Armin posted: Agreed. And, as a long term fan, I can cope with the series having downs as well as ups. However, I do feel worried about the children. There are several kids I know who are great fans, but only of the new series, of course. They are used to Who being brilliant and these days look vaugely puzzled or hurt if I chat to them. They know, in their heart of hearts, it isn't terribly good at the moment but their loyalty prevents them from admitting that, maybe even to themsleves. Let's hope Gaiman gives us something we can all cheer up about.
My ten year old son is the biggest fan in the world and I can second this. Between going on about Amy being pregnant to a whole episode where they couldn't manage proper pirates and the Doctor seeming worthless my son has been quietly disappointed as well. He has started re-watching past seasons on DVD. He Is looking forward to tonight's episode and since he loves Neil Gaiman's writing and watched an interview where he said that he wrote the episode for the fans his hope has been buoyed. The whole thing is made more annoying by the fact that here in the states BBC runs an intro where the show starts with an explanation that it's about Amy Pond and her imaginary friend, "the Doctor" which makes my son ( who started watching while we lived in Ireland) yell NO it's not!

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Fantastic!

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Dark, interesting, compelling.

More please.

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Really??? Apart from the concept of the TARDIS manifesting as a flesh'n'blood person, I found that a total crock. I expected more - a LOT more, from Gaiman and am tempted to Write In And Complain [Frown] [Disappointed]

Ah, well, it'll make Eurovision look like High Art.

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My view: brilliant [Yipee]

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And they've just told us on Confidential that the console that the Doctor and the Tardis built was designed by a Blue Peter competition winner [Yipee]

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So far this season each episode has been better than the one before. Keep it up!

Also I was reminded of "I have no mouth and I must scream" when we met Auntie and Uncle and House - and then a few scenes later...

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I was worried about this episode, as normally when I hope for great things I am disappointed. But not this time. That was great - atmospheric, moving, and self consistent. For the first time I found mysely warming to Smith - and even Pond. She couldn't smooch round the Doctor, and was much better as a result. (And Confidential was worth watching for once - lots of clips of previous Doctors with the Tardis, though I could have done without the big breakfast fry up.)

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
Also I was reminded of "I have no mouth and I must scream" when we met Auntie and Uncle and House - and then a few scenes later...

The Ellison story?

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Incidentally, I noticed the Ood's eyes were green. I could be wrong but thought I remembered them in previous episodes as being red - if I'm right about this, it's probably how you spot a possessed Ood.
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Oooooh I liked that [Big Grin] that was really good and original stuff. (Well I thought so not being an avid massive fan since the shows earlier incarnations) Nice job Who.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Incidentally, I noticed the Ood's eyes were green. I could be wrong but thought I remembered them in previous episodes as being red - if I'm right about this, it's probably how you spot a possessed Ood.

I remember the red eyed as being bad. But that was from the point of view of the ood 'factory' bosses....

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Yes generally impressed. The Dr not knowing what to do and finding this a novel experience was clever.

I quite liked the tardis incarnate helping the Dr - it was quite fun for a change. And they built a really odd tardis. Also seeing all sorts of other places of the tardis was always fun.

But no woman with an eyepatch. Hmm.

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That was much better.
I was beginning to despair of this series, I feel a bit more hopeful now.

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LOVE incarnate!TARDIS. She's lovely. Nicely atmospheric too. OK, I liked the earlier seasons better, but I did really enjoy this episode much more than the last few.

'You sexy thing!'

and

'What does it say?'
'Pull to open'
'And what do you do?'
[sheepish] 'Push?'
'EVERY TIME!'

[Killing me]

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So the Tardis thinks she/he/it stole the Doctor and the Doctor thinks he stole (borrowed) the Tardis. Is this the origin of the chicken vs egg scenario?

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It was quite nice to have the subordinate characters have a relative lead for a change.
(particularly when she had to give a message to 'the pretty one' and the door mentioned above)

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"Bunkbeds are cool"

I love that I watched Dr Who as a kid with my Dad who watched it as a kid and now my kids watch it with me - that's (and BBC4 and specialist radio programs come to think of it) got to be what we pay the license fee for.

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Doctor - She's the Tardis, and she's a woman!
Amy - Have you been wishing really hard?

Just brilliant.

Reminded me a bit of a sci-fi book I read about a house that people got sucked into through a box. Lot's of scary things in it that could kill you. Anyone know it? (It's probably just called The House and I can't even remember that!)

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I enjoyed it and so did my kids. The only complaint was they wished there was less Amy and Rory running around and more Doctor and Idris.

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Holy crap, this is scary. I now know the meaning of "hiding behind the sofa."

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Fantastic! It tied in with the old Doctors brilliantly*. Weird and wonderful. I loved the idea of Doctor and Tardis both thinking they stole (sorry, borrowed) the other, too.

M.

*But I have some trouble imagining William Hartnell saying 'You're the sexiest thing I've ever seen'.

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I'm now really looking forward to this episode, despite not liking the one Neil Gaimain story I've read. Shame I now have to wait a week to find out how the Tardis stole the Dr!

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Ah, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to post spoilers.

M.

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Don't worry about it - I don't mind the spoilers, which is why I read this thread, even though it's a week ahead of us down here. [Big Grin] It's the sheer fun of it I enjoy, as well as seeing how they do what they do.

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I really, really loved it, and it had some great lines in it - most of which have already been posted.
I found Confidential interesting as the author read some of the script aloud - the descriptions were really poetic. I hadn't realised that scripts are written like this. Also, I felt that he (the author) was thrilled to see the sets & be part of it. And there wasn't much KG being arch and twee and stupid. So that was another bonus.

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I've got the CDs of Gaiman reading his own Graveyard Book. He has a fantastic reading voice, and listening to him was an added bonus in Confidential.

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The "stealing" thing goes back, I believe, to the very early stories, where the doctor does "borrow" a tardis - this one. I think this was why he always had problems controlling it.

The idea of the tardis being the one who did the stealing - or tempting - is just an interesting and fun twist, based on the sentience of the tardis that the new series has "discovered".

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
The idea of the tardis being the one who did the stealing - or tempting - is just an interesting and fun twist, based on the sentience of the tardis that the new series has "discovered".

Didn't the TV movie have something in it about the "Eye of the Tardis"? The Eye being described as like the "soul" of the Tardis?
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Holy crap, this is scary. I now know the meaning of "hiding behind the sofa."

Would that be the scene where Rory has been ... y'know ... *gulp* ... writing on the wall? Deeply unsettling, I thought.

I also thought the whole thing was completely, utterly brilliant. Best of the season yet. Suranne Jones's and Matt Smith's performances are the stuff of which Doctor Who legend is made.

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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Suranne Jones's and Matt Smith's performances are the stuff of which Doctor Who legend is made.

Gosh, the makeup was good - hadn't realised that was Suranne Jones, in fact I spent some considerable part of the show wondering who might be playing Idris

incidentally - anyone remember this?
I drink Idris when I’s dri,
Idris is the drink to buy,
I drink Idris, I drink Idris,
Idris when I’s dri.


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Idris is the Arabic form of Enoch - who was remarkably long-lived...
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Loved it! The kenosis of the Tardis. Apart from the other quotes posted above, I really liked "I take you not where you want to go but where you need to go."

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quote:
The name Idris is a baby boy name. The name Idris comes from the Welsh origin. In Welsh The meaning of the name Idris is: Fiery lord.
Which is intresting.


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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
The "stealing" thing goes back, I believe, to the very early stories, where the doctor does "borrow" a tardis - this one. I think this was why he always had problems controlling it.

The idea of the tardis being the one who did the stealing - or tempting - is just an interesting and fun twist, based on the sentience of the tardis that the new series has "discovered".

Traditionally, the TARDIS was unpredictable - the doctor nicked it from a place where broken/tempermental TARDIS' went to be fixed. He was always considered a rebel - a criminal? by the other time lords and that's why they marooned him on Earth for the whole of his 3rd incarnation.
Prior to that the TARDIS was operable, but couldn't navigate - the basis of all his adventures in the beginning was the idea that he never knew where he was going to end up.
Presumably whoever released him from Earth fixed the TARDIS too - I missed that series.

I loved yesterday's episode too, but missed large chunks and will have to watch the repeat later this week.

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It struck me last night that there might be some significance in the names of Amy Pond and River Song. I do wonder if they could be the same person, but I reckon not. There should be something - even if it is just a water-fixation by one of the writers/namers.

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St Everild
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A Pond may be a pool of stagnant water, while a River is moving, dynamic water?

Just my two-pennorth...I'm looking forward to watching the (recorded) episode.

I'll get me coat....

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I really enjoyed it. It was more character-focused than I expected - the story was rather slight, but that allowed Suranne Jones and Matt Smith to shine in their roles, and for once it didn't feel as if it was trying to pack too much into 45 minutes.

Lots of great lines - "He's a Time Lord. It's just a name, it doesn't mean he knows what he's doing."

Once again, I recorded a commentary with some friends for the Impossible Podcast. You can hear us enthusing over and discussing it here.

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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Would that be the scene where Rory has been ... y'know ... *gulp* ... writing on the wall? Deeply unsettling, I thought.

YES. That whole segment was incredibly unsettling.

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quote:
Originally posted by St Everild:
A Pond may be a pool of stagnant water, while a River is moving, dynamic water?

The only water in the forest is the river....
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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by art dunce:
The whole thing is made more annoying by the fact that here in the states BBC runs an intro where the show starts with an explanation that it's about Amy Pond and her imaginary friend, "the Doctor" which makes my son ( who started watching while we lived in Ireland) yell NO it's not!

She said something like "This is our story", right?

Someone else must have complained, because I was waiting for that line in the backstory montage and didn't hear it. [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by rufiki:
The only water in the forest is the river....

Indeed. I suppose it's possible that "river" is going to turn out to mean something completely different from the obvious, but I wouldn't put money on it.

[ 15. May 2011, 23:35: Message edited by: Dafyd ]

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