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[tangent] I often access the Ship at work, during breaks. From work there are various threads I'm not able to read - pretty much all of Hell in fact - and I assume this is because they contain words that set off the firewall. However, I can't get onto this thread either. I keep thinking someone must have posted something blistering, then I get home, and all is sweet reason. Has anyone a theory about what is going on? [/tangent]

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I'm just guessing but the words "sex appeal" feature on the previous page, which could be a phrase that might trigger off the firewall's alert system?
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Or perhaps your network admin is, in fact, the latest regeneration of The Master!
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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
[tangent] I often access the Ship at work, during breaks. From work there are various threads I'm not able to read - pretty much all of Hell in fact - and I assume this is because they contain words that set off the firewall. However, I can't get onto this thread either. I keep thinking someone must have posted something blistering, then I get home, and all is sweet reason. Has anyone a theory about what is going on? [/tangent]

Someone mentioned Adric, and your firewall had mercy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:

I'm not sure that there's a good place to start with the Classic Series. Probably pick a story with a good reputation and jump in. While no two Doctor Who fans agree on what the best stories are, the following are all highly regarded:

The Invasion (black and white)
The War Games (black and white)
Carnival of Monsters
Genesis of the Daleks
The Brain of Morbius
Robots of Death
Talons of Weng-Chiang
Horror of Fang Rock
City of Death
Remembrance of the Daleks

Good stories all

No Hartnell though. Although some of these are a bit iffy but i think The Aztecs and The Romans are good examples of the historical stories which the series shied away from after that. The Romans story is referenced by DT in the new series.
If you REALLY want the Sci-Fi, Dalek Invasion of Earth is a good one from that era - although a bit padded.

If you want a top Troughton story - i would go with Tomb of the Cybermen rather than The Invasion which i founnd a bit padded.

For a good and fairly typical Pertwee tale i would say that Inferno is a good one, and the Green Death is famous for its maggots (and dodgy model fly).

No argument with the Tom Baker stories , but i would also suggest Caves of Androzani (Davidson) , Curse of Fenric and Ghost Light from the McCoy era.

Struggling with an outstanding Colin Baker episode though. Not his fault, the writers seemed to be trying to kill the series then.

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quote:
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Someone mentioned Adric, and your firewall had mercy.

You've just mentioned him again. Robert's firewall is probably having a fit.
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I liked the Two Doctors (and it had Servalan/Jacqueline Pearce, of course), from the Colin Baker era. They even got to go to Spain for that one, I think.

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What's a Dalek?
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quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
I liked the Two Doctors (and it had Servalan/Jacqueline Pearce, of course), from the Colin Baker era. They even got to go to Spain for that one, I think.

Seville, IIRC

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Originally posted by New Yorker:
What's a Dalek?

A recurring enemy. The recurring enemy, really. Mutant creatures, the aftermath of a chemical and atomic war, encased in "travel machines". Each machine is about five feet tall and glides around on a flat base. They can levitate (though for about the first 25 years of the show's history the special effects weren't up to showing this, which gave rise to the running joke that Daleks can subjugate the universe but can't cope with stairs). They've been genetically engineered to be raving xenophobes, bent on "exterminating" all other species. In a telling comment, a Dalek about to go into battle once said, "This is not war. This is pest control."

Having already had several encounters with them, in 1975 the Doctor was sent back in time to try and avert their creation. Someone has made this trailer that shows the basics of that story, usually hailed as one of the best in the show's history. The Daleks' creator, Davros, had never been seen before this story, but has often appeared since - most recently here.

The Daleks haven't always been served by good scripts or production values, but Doctor Who wouldn't exist without them. What started out as a modest kids' sci-fi / history-fi show suddenly became an instant classic when the Daleks first appeared.

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Originally posted by beatmenace:
... Curse of Fenric and Ghost Light from the McCoy era.

Ghost Light is one of the best ever, up there with The Evil of the Daleks (or at least the memory of that classic story as three-quarters of the video has been lost [Frown] )

But the whole of that last year's run is worth watching - its arguably the best year of the show ever, Battlefield, Ghost Light, The Curse of Fenric, and Survival, as good a set of four stories in a row as ever on Who.

The previous McCoy seasons aren't up to that level but Remembrance of the Daleks, the 25th anniversary story, is bloody good. As well as being the backstory to much of the revived series - it really is a battle in the Time War.

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quote:
Originally posted by New Yorker:
What's a Dalek?

The embodiment of postwar Britain's wartime fears, in the same way the Klingons were for America. What could be more frightening to people who had survived the Blitz than Nazis in space?

Of course, the Klingons (like the Japanese) later became friendly in the American popular imagination; the collectivist, assimilationist Borg, however, never really did.* It's also interesting to note that the Borg/Communist equivalent in Who, the Cybermen, may be a "classic" enemy, but still can't compete with the Daleks.

*Yes, I know about Hugh and Seven of Nine, but not only were they exceptions, but the fact that they were very notable exceptions was referenced. Worf? Whatever.

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So who would win a war between the Borg and the Daleks?

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quote:
Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
quote:
Originally posted by New Yorker:
What's a Dalek?

The embodiment of postwar Britain's wartime fears, in the same way the Klingons were for America. What could be more frightening to people who had survived the Blitz than Nazis in space?

Of course, the Klingons (like the Japanese) later became friendly in the American popular imagination; the collectivist, assimilationist Borg, however, never really did.* It's also interesting to note that the Borg/Communist equivalent in Who, the Cybermen, may be a "classic" enemy, but still can't compete with the Daleks.

*Yes, I know about Hugh and Seven of Nine, but not only were they exceptions, but the fact that they were very notable exceptions was referenced. Worf? Whatever.

I think the fear of the Japanese was mirrored more in the Romulans, while the Klingons were closer to being identified as the Russians. This tallies with the warming of relations with the Klingons towards the end of the Cold War (the catastrophe at the beginning of The Undiscovered Country can be interpreted as a thinly-disgused Chernobyl).
The Borg seem to resemble a more abstract concept of collectivism (for which probably read Communism), and Hugh and Seven of Nine fit into that interpretation: they can become individuals after being removed from the collective (or "Communist" society).

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So who would win a war between the Borg and the Daleks?

The Borg.
The Daleks are much less competent than they think they are. [Razz]

Now the Doctor vs. the Borg - that would be an interesting one...

[ 30. March 2012, 20:52: Message edited by: doubtingthomas ]

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Originally posted by doubtingthomas:
quote:
Originally posted by The Rogue:
So who would win a war between the Borg and the Daleks?

The Borg.
The Daleks are much less competent than they think they are. [Razz]

I think it would end up rather like the Dalek-Movellan war, in which case (under the Doctor's theory) the less competent will win. (The Dalek-Movellan war ended up in a draw because both sides were equally incompetent.)

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Daleks beat Borg because they have time-travel.

And because, even though they pretend to be unemotional and strictly scientific, the average Dalek is as emotional as an emotional thing that runs around the universe screaming "No one likes as and we don't care!" while exterminating everything in sight with neutron bombs.

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Originally posted by ken:
And because, even though they pretend to be unemotional and strictly scientific, the average Dalek is as emotional as an emotional thing that runs around the universe screaming "No one likes as and we don't care!" while exterminating everything in sight with neutron bombs.

This. Daleks beat Borg because while the Borg are interested in assimilating other races, the Daleks are only interested in wiping them out. They might use you as slave labour for a bit, and torture you for any useful information you might have, but to a Dalek, any other species is basically as cockroaches are to us - rather revolting, annoyingly ubiquitous, and to be stamped on whenever the occasion arises.

(Actually Daleks beat Borg because Daleks beat Cybermen, and Borg are just Cybermen without the sleek steel armour.)

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The Borg did time travel in the 8th Star Trek film.

I suspect that in one to one fighting a Dalek would cane a Borg but when it came to ship to ship fighting I'm not so sure. Borg ships can take a lot of punishment before being destroyed because they can adapt whereas once a Dalek ship takes a serious hit it is finished.

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quote:
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What's a Dalek?

The first thing you have to realise about daleks is that on paper they are utterly laughable. They are giant pepperpots with a sink plunger for an eye, another sink plunger for a hand, and an egg whisk for a gun. We are supposed to believe that they are warmachines inhabited by genocidal tentacled blobs.
The second thing you have to realise is that not only do they work on screen, they are all the more creepy for being something that nobody would believe would work if they didn't see them.

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Actually, I find the Daleks just as laughable on screen as they sound on paper. This is coming from someone who came to Doctor Who as an adult with no background of watching the original series as a child. I once ranted on a blog about how utterly unscary the Daleks are and what a useless excuse for a threatening alien race (on the same blog where I rated the Borg as my scariest alien race ever) and was highly honoured to get a comment from Rob Shearman (who wrote the 2005 episode "Dalek"), who posted:

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…Got to hold up my hand apologetically – I was the writer who brought back the Daleks in the Christopher Eccleston series. The complaints you raise about them – that they’re ranting pepperpots with a determinedly 1960s design – was, I remember, my principle concern as I worked on the episode! In my defence, I’ll say that in Britain there’s something about Daleks, no matter how retro the look and how unsubtle the dialogue, that’s hard wired into our nostalgic sympathy – and when I went on set at last, after months of scripting, and met my very first Dalek close up in all his saltshaker glory, I couldn’t resist giving the metallic monster a hug.


Of course, I was thrilled to get a comment on my blog from anyone connected with Doctor Who. I really do think there's something about that "hardwired into the nostalgic sympathy" thing for people who grew up watching Classic Who, that makes them work. I'd be interested to know if others who aren't British and didn't watch the classic series, share my contempt for the Daleks.

Incidentally, Rob Shearman didn't directly address my rant, in the same blog post, about the complete ridiculousness of the Slitheen, but he did say:

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I agree with a lot of what you said, too – just don’t tell the BBC!


But then, of course, he didn't write the Slitheen episodes.

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Yes Daleks seemed really scary to me as a kid. Even now there is a little thrill or shiver.

Never got that from Cybermen. The original ones were horrible in a very icky way - they looked as if wrapped in slightly moist bandages and had a kind of Frankenstein's Monster feel, as if they really were made of parts of sick people stolen from hospital beds. Their packs were like portable drip feeds. But every redesign has made them more and more like men in shiny armour.

I was glad that the new Who treated the war between the Cybermen and the Daleks correctly. The publicity bigged it up but when the episode was actually broadcast the Daleks basically wiped the floor with them with one plunger tied behind their backs.

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Trudy, I'm sorta with you, only instead of laughable I find them adorable. I can, of course, enter into the story and "believe" they're scary, but they do make me want to laugh.

But I love early TV and its limitations and the creativity that required of both the production teams and the viewers. I guess that's part of what I like about the Daleks, and why I'm disappointed with them in the new series, being all polished up and having superpowers (compared to what they had the first time they appeared).

Another thing I liked about them (the earlier version) is that, yes, you could thwart and disable them quite easily, but you had to be clever and sneaky about it. I much prefer that to an enemy that has to be overcome by topping its firepower. That's also what I liked about the Borg - you have to think differently to deal with them.

I was easily scared as a child, but more by creepy things (like some Twilight Zone episodes). I'm still more vulnerable to psychological creepiness. I don't think the Dalek would've scared me as a child, but I can't say for sure. I wonder how much of their frighteningness to children had to do with the voice?

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I found them reasonably creepy till they colorized them. Then I thought, 'Oh, damn it, someone on the merchandising team is looking for a Duplo tie-in."

And don't even link to the product, I know it's out there.

ETA: Churchgeek, every declaration of Dalek creepiness I have heard seems to center around the voice.

[ 31. March 2012, 19:40: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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The voice just sounds shrill and histrionic to me. They have a one-note emotional register. I think one of the things that makes the Borg so creepy to me (not that they don't have a one-note emotional register too) is the humanness.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Rogue:
The Borg did time travel in the 8th Star Trek film.

I suspect that in one to one fighting a Dalek would cane a Borg but when it came to ship to ship fighting I'm not so sure. Borg ships can take a lot of punishment before being destroyed because they can adapt whereas once a Dalek ship takes a serious hit it is finished.

Also, for hand-to-hand combat the Borg's collective intelligence would soon work out how to incapacitate a Dalek.
Think of this statement, repeatedly uttered by defeated Daleks "My vision impaired...I cannot see..."
Admittedly, the weapon causing this is usually a jacket or similar item of clothing, and so may not be available to the Borg. [Biased]

[ 31. March 2012, 23:23: Message edited by: doubtingthomas ]

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I'm kind of picturing one of those cartoons where the short guy is trying to swing his fist at the tall guy, who is holding him at arm's length.


Once again, you gotta appreciate the way hiatus produces creative conversation. [Big Grin]

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I am now very much tempted to get out my DVD and watch the Ecclestone "Dalek" episode.

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And if any outcrop of the Star Drek franchise was ever as good as this, I never saw it.

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(shamefaced glancing about, don't want to be pelted by Sci-fi fans)

Agreed about the series, Ken, but the Borg was pretty kickass.

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(Oh, and Barclay. Don't nobody say nothin' about my Barclay.)

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I'd put much of DS9 up against NuWho and I think it would come off favourably. Both had their good and bad episodes, but I think the best of both were comparable in quality.

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And if any outcrop of the Star Drek franchise was ever as good as this, I never saw it.

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quote:
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And if any outcrop of the Star Drek franchise was ever as good as this, I never saw it.

I have a fondness for the very atypical Deep Space Nine episode: Far beyond the Stars
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I (slightly shamefaced admission for someone in her mid-fifties) went to the Doctor Who exhibition in London last year.

And found myself quite wary of the daleks.

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Far Beyond the Stars is one of my favourite DS9 episodes, as well.

Back to the Daleks - they weren't one-note baddies at all! There were at least three emotional states a Dalek could be in. There was the calm, deliberate, order-giving dalek: "Proceed to sector 4 and investigate."
The order-taking dalek (a little higher pitched): "I obey."
And the hysterical Dalek (higher again) "I have failed!"

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Which is odd, because there are more than three settings on a ring modulator.

A fourth setting is Cyberman.

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The BBC has announced that the new companion is in fact the new Doctor, whose 12th regeneration if female.

Next Doctor is female.

I'd check the date on the press release if I were you.

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Kelly Alves

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Dude, don't do that, I was grieving. Not about a female Doctor, mind you-- that would be cool-- but not yet! [Waterworks]

it also occurs to me that I am incredibly impressionable and need to work on that...

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"Paul McGann will be back in Series Two..." Oh, if only.
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I'm not scared by the Daleks but I do find them very menacing. The Ecclestone story above with just the single Dalek was, in my opinion, awesome.

Like the rest of the Dr Who monsters, I think the most scary Dalek appearances are the ones when they appear in a recognisable (usually contemporary) setting and suddenly the ordinary and every day isn't. It's not how the monster looks but how it appears and is usually a triumph of superb writing.

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Really, the Daleks aren't that scary - just the most famous enemy. For me, in the 'classic' series, the Autons were much scarier. And the Silurians story had some very disturbing bits - the scenes where the Silurians had initiated a plague were really very nasty.

Even the new series has had some 'I can't believe they showed that at 7pm' moments. 'Don't turn around...' was pretty good. But I think the most awesomely frightening, disturbing story of all is Midnight. Not just the sinister knocking on the hull of the ship/bus, but the way the 'monster' gets inside people's heads. (But is the real monster someone other than the thing that comes from outside ...?)

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:
But I think the most awesomely frightening, disturbing story of all is Midnight. Not just the sinister knocking on the hull of the ship/bus, but the way the 'monster' gets inside people's heads. (But is the real monster someone other than the thing that comes from outside ...?)

Absolutely agreed. That was the scariest damn episode in my personal experience. I'd hug a dalek; if I ever see Lesley Sharp walking around my neighborhood, I'll go BRRRR and dive inside the house, quickly.

(Just kidding. She's probably a very nice person. I'd shake her hand and tell her she's hell of an actress.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(Oh, and Barclay. Don't nobody say nothin' about my Barclay.)

Who? Lt. Broccoli? [Angel]

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Kelly Alves

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I love Broccoli. Back when being nerdy was still uncool, Broccoli was Nerd Commander-in-Chief. He instantly became a fan beloved, because everyone in the audience went, "THAT'S ME! THAT'S ME!"

Beyond that, I love Dwight Schultz, who originally stole my heart as Murdock on the A-Team. I've gone over this before. I should just put it on my CV and be done with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by beatmenace:

Struggling with an outstanding Colin Baker episode though. Not his fault, the writers seemed to be trying to kill the series then.

"Vengeance on Varos" was pretty good I think. Martin Jarvis gave a strong performance. I liked the way the "re-election of the governor" TV voting system was portrayed - seems quite prescient now!
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So, semi-tangent since I can't really tell this one anywhere else.
I was out walking in town last night with a certain shirt I got from an ex-girlfriend, when I'm stopped by Nyssa.
No really. That was what her mom named her—yes, after that Nyssa.

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quote:
Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
So, semi-tangent since I can't really tell this one anywhere else.
I was out walking in town last night with a certain shirt I got from an ex-girlfriend, when I'm stopped by Nyssa.
No really. That was what her mom named her—yes, after that Nyssa.

Best. T-shirt. Ever.

You don't suppose Nyssa's parents were going for the custom of naming a kid after something that was going on when it was conceived, do you?

If they were, she should be glad it was an episode of The Keeper of Traken, and not this bloke.

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churchgeek

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quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
The voice just sounds shrill and histrionic to me. They have a one-note emotional register. I think one of the things that makes the Borg so creepy to me (not that they don't have a one-note emotional register too) is the humanness.

When I was first becoming an Episcopalian, it struck me that when the whole congregation was saying something together (like reading a Psalm or praying a post-communion prayer or confession), we sounded like the Borg. [Razz] In the Pentecostal churches of my youth, there was certainly no scripted group reading. Of course the Borg effect only works in liturgy if the sound engineer knows to turn off the presider's/officiant's mic when the congregation is reading together.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:

If they were, she should be glad it was an episode of The Keeper of Traken, and not this bloke.

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. GAHHH! GAHHH! [Eek!]


Screw you, Mr Noseybonk, you've lost your crown.

[ 03. April 2012, 05:43: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Kelly Alves

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And whaddaymean, "bloke"? That's vagina dentata if I ever saw it.

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