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Adeodatus
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Excellent episode - a very strong opening to the season. There were one or two points where I thought the pace dropped a bit (mainly the relationshippy-wationshippy stuff), but other bits were clever, creepy, and a bit thrilling. Loved the scene where Rory wakes the Daleks up ("E-e-e-e-ex...") and the zombie stuff was brilliant.

So what happens now that the Daleks don't know who the Doctor is? They've been best enemies since The Chase.

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I really liked that the Daleks have got scary again [Smile]

Other than that, watched this with my bested friend, and neither of us have a clue what's going on [Help]

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Have not watched the episode yet, but wanted to report something I've never seen before...

The 1st episode won't be broadcast here in Australia, on ABC television, until next Saturday. But they've put the episode for viewing on the website already! It went up 12 hours ago, with a big banner on the front of the site advertising the fact!

Ain't technology grand...

[ 02. September 2012, 07:32: Message edited by: orfeo ]

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Erm, didn't hate it. I liked the Pond bits and Oswin but I think I'm still too over-dosed on Daleks from previous series.

Looking forward to Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.

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I thought the best bit about the episode was Oswin. It gives me hope for her as the next companion - although how that gets worked out now should be very interesting!

Otherwise, I want to see it again. While I enjoyed it, I'm left with a nagging feeling it didn't quite add up....

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I enjoyed that. Oswin was excellent, and I thought that she would make a good companion - the character, not just the actor. It would be interesting but excellent if they could keep that character, even though some of her genius was because she was a Dalek.

There were some interesting insights into self image there, which is quite interesting in the middle of the paralympics....

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I enjoyed that. Oswin was excellent, and I thought that she would make a good companion - the character, not just the actor...

Seconded, I guess it would be a nightmare to write (especially the historicals). But if it worked... [Smile]
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I was sure I heard a "Seven of Nine" reference from the Doctor last night, which I liked...

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Did anyone else think the sound quality was bad? I certainly had difficulty following a lot of the dialogue, especially Oswin who I thought spoke very quickly. Or maybe it's just me age ....

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Ah, is it back on again? If so, I missed it - will it be repeated any time soon?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ariel:
Ah, is it back on again? If so, I missed it - will it be repeated any time soon?

Friday, 7.10p.m. on BBC3. Also on iplayer till 8 September.

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Thanks very much, Adeodatus, Friday it is! [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Otherwise, I want to see it again. While I enjoyed it, I'm left with a nagging feeling it didn't quite add up....

Yes, I quite enjoyed the story but a few things were nagging at me. Like, why exactly did the Daleks want to blow up the planet? I think they tried to give a reason, but when I think back on it I can't recall what it was.

And I know the Doctor asked why they couldn't blow it up and the answer was "the force field" which had to be shut off from the planet. Okay, that is remarkably bad planning--rather like creating a prison but leaving the key to the doors in with the prisoners. But more to the point, how good a force field is this, if we can drop three people on to the planet? If they could do that, why could they not drop a bomb?

But that is ticky-tacky stuff. I liked the story and erasing the Doctor from the Dalek memory fits in with the plan for the Doctor to take a lower profile in Universal affairs.

Also: I know that the official sound bite (given by every one of the actors in their interviews shown ahead of time) is that the Daleks have been "made scary again." Now maybe it is the fact that the Daleks always have struck me as rather scary in every appearance (with the possible exception of "The Space Museum"), but how exactly did this episode make them scarier than they have been the last few times they showed up?

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mildly spoilery

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Originally posted by Hedgehog:
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"something has got in (and stayed there despite the daleks)...therefore everything can get out"

I'm not sure it works...(not least the order of discovery) but I suspect an explanation could be patched. And it's good enough to let the story go on.

I suppose the force field could be energy based, that's been used as an excuse enough times to resolve the same problem. Also it's not a prison so maybe that explains the force field being the wrong way (+ perhaps the practicalities of covering a planet).

But the soufflé clue was good (and pretty much all the plot points were indicated about right). and the atmosphere was good. Not sure about the eye-stalk and suckers effect but it was still dramatic.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bene Gesserit:
I was sure I heard a "Seven of Nine" reference from the Doctor last night, which I liked...

[Smile]
I'm also reasonably sure the little periscope in the snow was a nod to The Empire Strikes Back

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Reading through the lines:
1) Someone on another internet forum points out that what's worrying the daleks is specifically Oswin playing Carmen. It's possible that the daleks know exactly what is happening and what they're worrying about is not insane daleks getting out so much as Oswin's personality infecting the daleks with the human factor or what not. (And she showed that she could have done drastic things to dalek species psychology if they'd thought of it in time.) In other words, the daleks didn't tell the Doctor they were sending him on an assassination mission.

2) I am developing a theory that Matt Smith's Doctor is the most manipulative Doctor of them all. (Question: how much of The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe was really an accident?) He didn't mention to Amy and Rory that he'd put his bracelet on Amy and so she was perfectly safe, and thereby got them to talk and saved their marriage. This raises the question - with dark implications - of exactly how Amy lost her bracelet in the first place?

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For some reason I wasn't as grabbed by this episode as I usually am. There were some great moments and youngest Rogueling was nicely scared by the Daleks who had real individual menace rather than global/universal menace. It was a nice touch that the Daleks have forgotten the Doctor (but has Davros?) and I look forward to seeing how the Doctor ends up with a Dalek as companion.

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quote:
Originally posted by doubtingthomas:
quote:
Originally posted by Bene Gesserit:
I was sure I heard a "Seven of Nine" reference from the Doctor last night, which I liked...

[Smile]
I'm also reasonably sure the little periscope in the snow was a nod to The Empire Strikes Back

I thought the Dalek senate lookd like the Imperial Senate from "Phantom Menace".

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Sorry for double post missed edit window so excuse typo in first post. Dang Ipad.
We are all very excited about the new companion. So, Rose became a warrior after the Doctor, Martha is flat out bad ass and is trying to save the Earth and fighting along side Mickey after the Doctor, Donna continued to help even though she had her mind erased...we even find out Sarah Jane has continued to fight and Amy is a vacuous, pouting model hawking perfume and divorcing the centurion? Why does Moffat hate Amy?

[ 03. September 2012, 01:42: Message edited by: art dunce ]

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I certainly hope there's some continuity between the Oswyn character in this episode and the new companion character as she's introduced later -- I mean the same personality not just the same actress. I love the idea of the Doctor having a female companion who is not just young and pretty but BRILLIANT. It's been awhile. Martha was probably the most intelligent of the new-series companions so far.

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quote:
Originally posted by art dunce:
Why does Moffat hate Amy?

Finally, someone asks that question.

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haven't been a regular follower of Doctor Who since the Tom Baker days in the 70s. Thought this would be a good time to get back into the show. It was. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolemr:
haven't been a regular follower of Doctor Who since the Tom Baker days in the 70s. Thought this would be a good time to get back into the show. It was. [Smile]

Only now? What a lot you have missed!

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quote:
Originally posted by art dunce:
Why does Moffat hate Amy?

Amy has a life that doesn't involve fighting aliens. ('That stuff that happens while you're not there.') It's likely that it's the life she was planning before the Doctor turned up in her adult life (except for the children which nearly upset everything).
As you point out, none of the previous characters have been allowed a life that isn't defined by the effect the Doctor had on them. Martha could have had a career as a doctor, but she's become a monster hunter simply so Tennant could say goodbye to her and Mickey at the same time. I think Amy's the lucky one.

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Hmmm...Oswin Oswald and Clara Oswin...Dafyd's theory may indeed hold some water...

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OK, I was overly pessimistic about that one - it was surprisingly good. In fact, it was the best Dalek story since Dalek. The set-up was mercifully brief, allowing lots of time for genuine tension, but it covered all the important details, it made sense up to a point, and the story itself worked very well.

I thought it was a little bit too obvious that Souffle Girl wasn't what she seemed, but the only blatant hint was the early comment about milk, which looked enough like an inconsequential quip to possibly get away with it. I could have done without the emotional lovey-dovey bit, and I'd have appreciated some explanation of why the nanothingies didn't seem to have any lasting effect, but overall, it was rather good.

A couple of other thoughts. Is the Daleks' new forgetfulness an attempt to reboot their relationship with the Doctor and make him less of an intergalactic superhero, or was it just an excuse for a cheap joke that will be forgotten by next week? And is it my imagination, or does Moffat have a bit of a thing about memory? False memories, believing you're something you're not, forgetting things including conversations you've just had - he seems to play with ideas like that a lot.

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Apart from the other glitches that have been mentioned, how about the ending? From a Dalek PoV an unknown being appears in front of them, and they just ignore him? Surely they would have exterminated him within a few seconds.

As for Moffat hating Amy, I think that's an overstatement. Isn't it more that he hasn't really thought out her character (or Rory's, for the matter)? There are all sorts of inconsistencies that have never been addressed; the biggest, to my mind, Amy trying to drag the Doctor into bed the night before her wedding. While I am happy to put most of the blame on the actress, some must rest with the writers and producer.

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My attention span found it difficult to follow the plot. But the best line was Amy's when (a dalek?) accused her of not being human because she was too angry. 'There's someone who's never been to Scotland.'

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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Apart from the other glitches that have been mentioned, how about the ending? From a Dalek PoV an unknown being appears in front of them, and they just ignore him? Surely they would have exterminated him within a few seconds.

He didn't move beyond the TARDIS door, and it was established in the days of Eccles that the TARDIS has a forcefield that will protect him against Dalek fire. On that occasion, Nine stepped out into the midst of a large throng of pepperpots and they all opened fire without further ado, which rather impressed me (on their part).
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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:
He didn't mention to Amy and Rory that he'd put his bracelet on Amy and so she was perfectly safe, and thereby got them to talk and saved their marriage.

And he relied on Clueless Amy not noticing that a heavy bracelet was suddenly placed on her wrist. But then again, she didn't notice when it fell off her wrist either. Maybe she has some nerve damage so that she has lost feeling in her arm?

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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
And is it my imagination, or does Moffat have a bit of a thing about memory? False memories, believing you're something you're not, forgetting things including conversations you've just had - he seems to play with ideas like that a lot.

Maybe he is obsessed with the hope that the fans will forget all the dangling plot lines that he has left in previous seasons.

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I enjoyed the episode.
I wonder why there were so many bronze Daleks in the Dalek Parliament, I'm surprised the Rainbow Daleks (I've heard them referred to as iDaleks) kept them around.

Also, there's a room where there's Daleks from Spiridon, Kembel, Aridius, Vulcan and Exxilon. Only, the Daleks in the room all look like beat-up versions of the bronze Dalek from the new series, with the large speaking lights, and the riveted and indented shoulder slats - none of those features were on the Daleks of those referenced stories. If you're bringing back the old Dalek models, how 'bout putting them in the scene where it actually matters?

It didn't stop me from enjoying the episode, but that seemed disappointing, a missed opportunity.

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I did like the jab taken at the Dalek reboot in Victory—Rory's line about "what color?" seems to be a reference to the Technicolor Daleks introduced there. Yes, I know, it's not Who without Daleks, but seriously, how many times has the Doctor destroyed every single Dalek in existence, only to have the hordes come back?

Also, I think you were supposed to catch on pretty quickly that there was something Not Quite Right about Oswin's situation—I figured that one out as they were introducing her. Seriously, a few boards nailed to a door, stopping the Daleks for almost a year? Of course, I figured the Daleks were playing along, using her to set a trap, giving her access to their systems in order to bring the Doctor in closer—which, um, turned out to not be the case. That, I think, is what this episode hinged on: there's something wrong with this situation, but, no matter what you initially think it is, it's not nearly as shocking as the truth.

Nice to see the Dalek egg beater attachment explained, though. Hopefully a later episode will explain the plungers.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:


I thought it was a little bit too obvious that Souffle Girl wasn't what she seemed, but the only blatant hint was the early comment about milk, which looked enough like an inconsequential quip to possibly get away with it.

As far as I can tell there are no inconsequential quips in Doctor Who.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
See, they are gonna punish all the haters by making Amy and Rory absolutely irresistible this season. And then they're going to do something horrible to them.

Season? They did it before the opening credits!

quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:
Reading through the lines:
1) Someone on another internet forum points out that what's worrying the daleks is specifically Oswin playing Carmen. It's possible that the daleks know exactly what is happening and what they're worrying about is not insane daleks getting out so much as Oswin's personality infecting the daleks with the human factor or what not. (And she showed that she could have done drastic things to dalek species psychology if they'd thought of it in time.) In other words, the daleks didn't tell the Doctor they were sending him on an assassination mission.

An assassination mission that worked! She died. (As far as we know). So the Doctor in fact did what the Daleks wanted him to.

Also the idea of Daleks using human girls to inject some genius or imagination into their Cunning Plans goes way back. Remember Remembrance of the Daleks? Which was also the story that put the Time War centre stage. And showed Skaro destroyed! So how did the Daleks get it back? Or is the first scene set in the distant past. (But if it was destroyed in the Time War isn't that as if it never existed in this continuum?)

And, as RotD was a clear reference to and sequel of An Unearthly Child, the very first story, and as this went back to the "Doctor who?" trope, it seems very like a deliberate reboot of the series. One of many...

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[tangent] Welcome home, soggy_amphibian! Great to see you here! [Big Grin] [/tangent]

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Originally posted by Ariston:
I did like the jab taken at the Dalek reboot in Victory—Rory's line about "what color?" seems to be a reference to the Technicolor Daleks introduced there....Also, I think you were supposed to catch on pretty quickly that there was something Not Quite Right about Oswin's situation <snip>

Yes, I giggled at that line, too.

There was something deeply strange about Oswin, but the truth certainly caught me by surprise. And it will be even more interesting when we meet Clara Oswin at Christmas!

Nothing much else to the various erudite comments here, except that I also giggled at the way Oswin called the Doctor Chin-boy - much like the way Donna called Tennant's Doctor Space-boy and the like.

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Are we clear that Oswin is the same character who is going to be "introduced" at Christmas? They're obviously connected in some way, but I don't think it's been absolutely established. I have got a couple of ideas of how it might work, though.

1. The Doctor meets her earlier in her timeline. This has the possible advantage (depending on your point of view - Moffat might like it) of lots of peculiar emoting about changing the past/future because he knows what will happen to her once they go their separate ways and she joins the Alaska. It leaves the question of why she didn't recognise him unanswered, but that could probably be handwaved away as a memory that was lost/suppressed when she was made into a Dalek.

2. She found some way, using her mad 1337 skillz, to upload her consciousness to the Dalek hivemindy thing before the Asylum planet went all explodey-wodey (sorry, but that was just naff), opening up the possibility of making herself a new body using technology similar to the new Dalek drone things. It might also be necessary to make herself forget the past (as with the others), and she may even still be a Dalek underneath.

Bound to be other possible variations, but I think they're the most obvious possibilities if it's basically the same person.

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I haven't thought that far ahead at all, and had assumed they were different characters, though with some connection - I've not read anything about the Clara character, have kept away from any spoilers, and have only seen a pic or two of her in Victorian clothes, so it only started to click when Oswin Oswald introduced herself.

Any other theories out there?

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Robert Armin

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I think there will have to be some sort of connection since she has played such a prominet role within the same season. (When Martha "came back" she had been a minor character in the previous season.) Gumby, I like your ideas, but have the feeling the connection will be something even more off the wall.

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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
Gumby, I like your ideas, but have the feeling the connection will be something even more off the wall.

Almost certainly, even though I just suggested a recorded mind inside a dormant Dalek drone as a companion. [Big Grin] I do like that as an idea, though, because all the necessary information was there in the episode, so it scores highly for neatness and elegance.

I have ideas that are far more off the wall, but they're too ridiculous to air in public on the off-chance that my wild speculative joining of dots to other characters comes close to matching the way Moffat's mind works. This is definitely meant to be a typical teaser, though.

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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
I have ideas that are far more off the wall, but they're too ridiculous to air in public on the off-chance that my wild speculative joining of dots to other characters comes close to matching the way Moffat's mind works.

Moffat's genius is really misdirection. He's hidden the card in the obvious place up his sleeve - it's just that Moffat gets you to look everywhere else for the card so that you forget to look at the obvious place up the sleeve when the card comes out of it.

I predict that the solution to the Sherlock mystery will have been dismissed as too obvious by most people who have thought about it.

Also, Moffat's not really interested by stories about how the Doctor escapes the Pandorica ; that's just there as an excuse for the bit where the Doctor sits by Amy's bed and tells her that we're all stories in the end.

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Originally posted by Dafyd:

Also, Moffat's not really interested by stories about how the Doctor escapes the Pandorica ; that's just there as an excuse for the bit where the Doctor sits by Amy's bed and tells her that we're all stories in the end.

Having just rewatched that episode with my daughter and cried as shamelessly as I always do at that scene, I'd say it was well worth whatever it took to get that moment. He's an excellent writer even if not always an excellent plotter or character-developer.

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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
[Having just rewatched that episode with my daughter and cried as shamelessly as I always do at that scene, I'd say it was well worth whatever it took to get that moment.

Exactly.

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A companion who was trapped in a Dalek body could have been very interesting though they couldn't have kept up with all the running I suppose.
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I watched it again last night. Oswin's first question when the Doctor tries to talk to her: 'Are you real?' Oh, Oswin.

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[TANGENT] We came across the Vincent van Gogh episode on Watch last night, and I laughed myself silly at the Doctor's comment about meeting Michelangelo: 'what a whinger!' Matt Smith excels at throwaway lines, and with his gangly figure and young-yet-old personality is rivetting to watch.
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Ok, carry on.

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Robert Armin

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I watched it again last night and enjoyed it more than the first time. Maybe this is the season where Moff-the-Producer finally comes into his own. Let's hope so.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pine Marten:
[TANGENT] We came across the Vincent van Gogh episode on Watch last night, and I laughed myself silly at the Doctor's comment about meeting Michelangelo: 'what a whinger!' Matt Smith excels at throwaway lines, and with his gangly figure and young-yet-old personality is rivetting to watch.
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Ok, carry on.

[Oh, why should you be alone in tangent land? [Biased] ]
Again ,my heart just sings with agreement, Pine Marten. I can to the realization the other day that a great deal of the hero worship I have for Mr. Smith (see how deferential I am?) is composed of wistful envy-- I wish I had the gift he seems to have of putting smiles on faces. He's so joyful and warm. I got some bit of geek news that he'd been named a patron to some theater school for youth, and all I could think "How perfect, and how lucky." It just made me hugely happy.[/end gush]

As for the Doctor-- I'm really glad a companion is talking some sass to him. That's exactly what was needed. That's exactly what the character of Amy needed, but aside from a couple excellent cracks and a fantastic watergun scene, she was relegated to casting adoring stares and propping the Doctor up, and pitting him against Rory, and occasionally delivering portentous speeches about how he'd disappointed her in various ways. Oh, and hawking perfume.

Poor Karen.She deserved better. I'm confident she will get it somewhere.

But as someone pointed out above, the Doctor is kind of a momzer (about an hour a week is the duration of momzer charm for me), and it's good to have someone who will call him on his mountains of bullshit once in a while. Often, actually.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
As for the Doctor-- I'm really glad a companion is talking some sass to him. That's exactly what was needed. That's exactly what the character of Amy needed, but aside from a couple excellent cracks and a fantastic watergun scene, she was relegated to casting adoring stares and propping the Doctor up, and pitting him against Rory, and occasionally delivering portentous speeches about how he'd disappointed her in various ways.

Compared to Rose and Martha and even Donna I don't think Amy's at all slow to tell the Doctor when he's being full of himself. Some of the weaker writers do write her as generic companion (as did Toby Whithouse in the otherwise strong God Complex), but weak writers will write anyone as generic companion. Even Leela and Ace got generic companion stories.

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Originally posted by Bene Gesserit:
I was sure I heard a "Seven of Nine" reference from the Doctor last night, which I liked...

[Smile]
I'm also reasonably sure the little periscope in the snow was a nod to The Empire Strikes Back

There was me thinking it was the Teletubbies.
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