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Ariston
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I would like to know what the meaning of the bottles labelled "Encyclopaedia Gallifrey" is, though. They seemed to release voices of some sort.
A reference to the Matrix, perhaps? Where the memories of dead Time Lords are stored and accessed? If you could bottle the memories of an entire race you had killed, what an encyclopedia you'd have!
Good to know that the Eriditorium is back to TV, especially now that Wife in Space is winding down. Yes, it's always long winded and full of Foucault references, but the guy has a doctorate in literary studies, what do you expect?
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Longshanks
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I was interested in the doctors comment that the Tardis is "infinite", which is a new idea, I think. I know it is huge, but infinite is new. [/qb]
At one stage there was a theory that most of the tardis didn't move only the door, but I can't remember where it came from. I seem to remember the 4th Doctor in a library but not that big one.
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Adeodatus
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I was interested in the doctors comment that the Tardis is "infinite", which is a new idea, I think. I know it is huge, but infinite is new.
At one stage there was a theory that most of the tardis didn't move only the door, but I can't remember where it came from. I seem to remember the 4th Doctor in a library but not that big one. [/QB]
I remember that theory, too. In Castrovalva there was some technobabble about "reactivating the real-world interface" - I wonder if that was it?
I don't think we've ever had the TARDIS library before, though. Workshops, the swimming pool, cloisters, an art gallery, and a cricket pavilion, yes, but no library.
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Penny S
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Thinking of the trailer for tomorrow's episode, about which I had a few negative thoughts with regards the writer's attitude to places such as Saltaire and Bourneville, there was a nice piece about Bourneville on Radio 4 today. Could that be good timing?
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There was also the alternative control room which we saw in the Masque of Mandragora
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Adeodatus
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There was also the alternative control room which we saw in the Masque of Mandragora
How could we forget it? And also, of course, the boot cupboard.
Then, of course, there were various comapnions' bedrooms (I don't think we've ever seen the Doctor's - "sleep is for tortoises"), the little engine room that Doctor Two visits in The Mind Robber, the late lamented Zero Room, one or more walk-in wardrobes...
Any more?
And those are just the ones we've seen.
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The Rogue
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Does the Doctor sleep? I vaguely remember someone else going to bed and he was staying in the control room, minding the ship**. If he does spend so much time in the control room why hasn't he got a comfy sofa?
** We've never seen him pee, either. Sorry.
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
Does the Doctor sleep?
Oddly enough, this is a question that sometimes knocks around among the fans. I say "oddly", because the answer is a clear "yes". Doctor Three awakes from a nightmare in The Time Monster; Four appears to take a nap in The Androids of Tara (although he might have employed the euphemism my dad always used to use - "resting my eyes"); Two sleeps in The Tomb of the Cybermen; One in The Tenth Planet (though he - the Doctor as well as Hartnell - wasn't well).
I don't think we've ever seen the Doctor asleep, as distinct from unconscious or in a coma, in the new series.
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Lord Jestocost
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
Does the Doctor sleep? I vaguely remember someone else going to bed and he was staying in the control room, minding the ship**. If he does spend so much time in the control room why hasn't he got a comfy sofa?
** We've never seen him pee, either. Sorry.
One of the surprise revelations of Planet of the Daleks was that the console room was equipped with a pull-out Habitat single bed. So the possibility was certainly provided for, at least in the original series. (Plot device? Who said that?)
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
the little engine room that Doctor Two visits in The Mind Robber,
Blimey. I only just watched that one, and I haven't the faintest recollection of what you're talking about.
Meanwhile... Look, I know I pop in about 1960s DW a lot lately, and it's crazy to do it after just one episode, but... the first episode of The Seeds of Death was fantastic. Fantastic script. Quality acting (especially after having just seen the The Krotons which had some spectacularly wobbly acting), a director with some real visual flair (again, especially noticeable after The Krotons). And the mention of Canberra was a surprise treat.
I just hope the next 5 eps maintain this quality, if so it could become one of my real favourites from these early seasons.
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
I don't think we've ever had the TARDIS library before, though. Workshops, the swimming pool, cloisters, an art gallery, and a cricket pavilion, yes, but no library.
The swimming pool fell into the library in Eleventh Hour, if I remember correctly.
The TARDIS library has showed up in audios and novels as well.
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Dafyd
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Look, I know I pop in about 1960s DW a lot lately, and it's crazy to do it after just one episode, but... the first episode of The Seeds of Death was fantastic.
Let us know when you've finished so we can talk about it without spoilers.
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
the little engine room that Doctor Two visits in The Mind Robber,
Blimey. I only just watched that one, and I haven't the faintest recollection of what you're talking about.
Episode 1. After they've escaped from Dulkis, he potters off into another room - I think he actually calls it the power room - and Jamie and Zoe start seeing things on the scanner. (I watched it a couple of weeks ago. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )
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orfeo
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Ah yes. Visual memory has now been successfully recalled!
(Seeds of Death ep2 also quite good. Not perfect (yes! lets send these complete strangers to do our repair job!) but quite good.)
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
If he does spend so much time in the control room why hasn't he got a comfy sofa?
I seem to recall that there used to be a comfy sofa in the control room during the First Doctor's tenure. At least some of the time. Does anybody else have a memory of that or am I being delusional yet again?
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Robert Armin
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So the Doctor taking Clara to an alien planet, famous for its singers but which has no connection whatsoever with Daleks, is part of him investigating her past? I'd really like some of you who put that idea forward to approve my expenses claim!
No, there are some good little lines here and there, but they are shoe-horned in with an effort. This evening I watched the repeat of last week's episode and it made even less sense after time to reflect. And that has been my verdict on all the recent episodes - I quite enjoyed watching them at first, but they all creaked massively on reflection.
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
Does the Doctor sleep? I vaguely remember someone else going to bed and he was staying in the control room, minding the ship**. If he does spend so much time in the control room why hasn't he got a comfy sofa?
** We've never seen him pee, either. Sorry.
Sleeping etc. are not the kinds of thing one often sees superheroes (or even ordinary heroes) do. I remember a scene in Babylon5 with characters talking over washing their hands - it stood out for being unconventional. It had some scenes with people sleeping, too, but I find it difficult to recall much like that from other such shows (with the notable exception of BSG).
I can also relate to the Doctor staying behind when the others go to bed, since I am usually the last in any group of people to turn in at night...
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Ariston
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Wasn't there some comment from Amy in Doctor's Wife, lost in the bunk ex hubbub, asking if the Doctor had a room...and him not answering?
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orfeo
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The rest of Seeds of Death didn't quite live up to the opening, but was still reasonably good. Interesting to note that episodes 3-6 were redrafted by someone else. Production values were pretty high throughout.
It was never terribly clear why the Ice Warriors were doing any of this - not just a problem with this story, but with Ice Warrior stories generally plus the Waters of Mars which references them. Is Mars dying or not? Are they fundamentally an ancient race (with the odd member getting frozen for a few thousand years) or happily thriving somewhere?
It's a pity those issues aren't clearer, because the Ice Warriors really do have the capacity to be quite interesting creatures - and specifically creatures rather than 'monsters'.
And yes, I'm vaguely aware that at some point I will encounter them again wandering about a spot called Peladon.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Wasn't there some comment from Amy in Doctor's Wife, lost in the bunk ex hubbub, asking if the Doctor had a room...and him not answering?
I seem to remember a scene in one of the Davison-era episodes where we saw a brief glimpse of the Doctor's room. Victorian brass bed with knobs on, cricket sweater hanging on a hook on the back of the door, that sort of thing, then the scene shifted to Tegan's bedroom, rather more girly. Can't remember which episode that was though.
The furnishings of the room would change as the Doctor changed. Or if as happened in another episode, rooms had to be jettisoned to speed the Tardis up.
(Come to think of it, it is a bit like Howl's Moving Castle, in a way.)
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After he regenerated into David Tenant, he did have to lie down and sleep for a long time. So he does sleep, at least after a regeneration, and we do see it.
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Ariel
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Thre is a Doctor Who handbook, or something - I can't remember the exact title - which gives you lots of interesting facts, and answers to these sorts of questions, including any you might have about eating, drinking, sleeping etc on the Tardis. I wish I could remember what it was called. I had a copy years ago (it was about the classic episodes) and gave it away.
One of the fun bits I remember was about swearing in Doctor Who: in one episode the Fourth Doctor was apparently heard telling some aliens to "spack off".
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Penny S
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TomTom, difference engine, Ada, Victorian version of Emma Peel versus Diana Rigg, something that looks like the Salvation Army, a place like Bourneville reputedly making matches (Bryant & May, Quakers). Someone was enjoying himself, wasn't he?
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Ariel
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I haven't watched Doctor Who for a while now and was trying to think if it's always that melodramatic, or whether they just geared it up a notch for the Victorian setting. Some wonderful lines, "Do not paw and slobber over my crinolines" is one I must try to work into conversation.
I liked the Thomas Thomas cameo, and I've always liked Strax, but the storyline was a bit predictable. You just knew it was going to be an evil alien trying to wipe out/dominate the world, and I wasn't gripped by the plot. But an amusing episode none the less.
I'm still leaning towards the theory that Clara is something to do with The Master. That crack about "You're the boss", "Yes... I am the boss" could fit in with that, could also be why the Tardis doesn't like her, and why she has time travel powers.
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I haven't been watching this series as consistently as usual but I enjoyed tonight's episode a lot - Jenny and Madame Vastra are two of my favourite new characters. Would love a BBC Three spin-off featuring them!
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I haven't been watching this series as consistently as usual but I enjoyed tonight's episode a lot - Jenny and Madame Vastra are two of my favourite new characters. Would love a BBC Three spin-off featuring them!
I would have agreed when they first appeared. Unfortunately, every time they appear they seem to be less rounded as characters. Same with Strax. Once, they were an intriguing idea, but now they're fast becoming implausible and sketchy comic relief, which is a shame.
I know that's mostly down to Strax, but it's not just that. One of the obvious questions is how they would avoid unwanted attention. The answer increasingly seems to be that they wouldn't bother, which makes it much harder to take the whole concept seriously. The veil offers a plausible get-out, but then she lifts it at the drop of a hat, if you see what I mean. It seems like a waste of characters who could - should - be more than that.
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Loved this week's nod to the classic serial - mention of a "gobby Australian" and then he said "Brave heart," which is what the Fifth Doctor always said to Tegan.
Diana Rigg was brilliant, I thought.
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I just gave this week's a 10/10 on another site. I loved every gorgeous, grotesque, camp moment of it. Gatiss plundered Hammer/Amicus horror in a way we haven't seen since Robert Holmes.
Quote of the week was, of course, Diana Rigg, after the Doctor pontificated about "in the wrong hands..." -
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Know what these are? The wrong hands.
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Originally posted by Penny S:
a place like Bourneville reputedly making matches (Bryant & May, Quakers).
Or Saltaire?
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You know, the more I watch 60s Doctor Who, the more I realise how often they're mining it in the Matt Smith years for ideas.
I suspect deliberately working through the whole previous history of the programme to mark the anniversary. Today was stuffed with refrences to previous stories.
I quite liked it. Felt like a Joan Aiken story in places. Well, all the way through. Only thing that really grated was the anachronistic music. (Is that overdoing the pedantry?)
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Only thing that really grated was the anachronistic music. (Is that overdoing the pedantry?)
I don't think that spotting the clearly incorrect music gets anywhere near the level of pedantry of knowing the complete back catalogue of Doctor who of the last 50 years in minute detail. In any case, pedantry isn't bad, is it? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Penny S:
a place like Bourneville reputedly making matches (Bryant & May, Quakers).
Or Saltaire?
Not if Quaker. Saltaire is Congregational as I think is Port Sunlight although irc the UR Church in the village could pass for a high Anglican most days.
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Penny S
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I wasn't thinking it was necessarily aimed at Quakers - the millenarianism wouldn't be right, I think - but at religious foundations in general. I know another site described Rigg as a Quakeress type, though. Thought the bonnet was more Salvation Army, though.
I've just been on the Woman's Hour site, and a link to a petition about removing Elizabeth Fry (note actual Quaker bonnet) from the Ł5 note - one could, if over exposed to that sort of thing, see this as a two pronged attack on the history of religious ladies' good works! I'm not sure that's Gatiss' style, though.
Interesting that Gillyflower had managed to persuade a church not in her village to give her an opportunity to advertise her venture.
No-one seemed to have identified any of the bodies with people known to have been recruited to Sweetville - you'd have thought someone other than the journalist would have done so.
Must stop looking for plot holes - I liked the episode. Not looking forward to the children, though. Dr Who is Dr Who, Sarah Jane, Sarah Jane - perhaps they're going to bring Tegan back?
I like the Joan Aiken comparison. And what about Philip Reeve's "Mortal Engines"? And I've read one book about a strange edifice in South London where people disappeared, but I can't remember the author.
As for TomTom - I'd just said "why is he talking like a satnav?" - but I don't think it was in keeping. More like a school play joke. I would have used it there.
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I thought the TomTom joke didn't work at all; the man fainting all the time got on my nerves, too.
I quite like the idea of the children, it will change the dynamic. Did it explain why Clara went home, though?
I thought it was a really entertaining episode, although I agree with whoever said, upthread, that Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax are becoming too jokey. I have found Strax really irritating in any case, he was a warrior/nurse, wasn't he, not particularly stupid.
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Penny S
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The fainting seems to have been a family characteristic - the brother survived until he saw the Doctor, and then fell. But yes, it was irritating, and the style of fall was unrealistic.
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On the other hand, if the children mean no sonic screwdriver phallus jokes, and no monster ditto (didn't spot that one until on another web site), it might not be a bad thing.
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Really enjoyed this one - and so far have spotted no major flaws to mar my pleasure. I got the Davison/Tegan reference, which means there must have been a T Baker ref last week. While I have the episode recorded, the thought of watching it again makes me shudder. On the other hand, I didn't get the Thomas Thomas joke until Penny S explained it; many thanks.
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If you can bring yourself to watch a bit of it, run through to Mrs G at her console and take a look at the difference engine they went to the bother of building just to smash with a chair after a few seconds in view.
I haven't found any references to that anywhere. It makes the choice of Ada's name not an accident.
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I am a simple soul. I really liked it. A lot. I was a happy bunny. (I really DIDN'T like last week's episode)
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What's the significance of Ada? All I can think of is the Babbage Engine, and I'm not sure that that fits here.
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Just watched the new one. Quite enjoyed it on the whole, all rather mad but very much played for its lurid madness.
I didn't think Strax was very well written, though. His sequences were rather too obvious. I enjoyed my time with Jenny far more.
And the TomTom joke... sorry, I've never even heard of TomTom but the joke was so egregiously lame and so vividly telegraphed that I knew what the joke was ABOUT long before the punchline was even delivered. That was a sizeable chunk of dead air time. The best Doctor Who jokes are the ones that fly by in a single line. That one was "okay, I'm going to get you to laugh. Are you ready? It's going to be really funny. Wait for it. The kid's name is going to be really funny. Okay, I'm going to tell you the kid's name now. Are you listening? Right. The kid's name is..."
It was a truly pathetic moment in an episode otherwise of pretty reasonable quality.
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Only thing that really grated was the anachronistic music. (Is that overdoing the pedantry?)
It's not overdoing pedantry in a story with time travel in which an anachronism might be a clue. I agree that the date of composition of Parry's Jerusalem is a pretty esoteric clue, but I was still hoping to find that it might be one. (As opposed to the script/production researchers not knowing about Victorian religion and not caring.)
On the whole, I felt that the program kept making you think the plot was going in one direction, and then switching track and going somewhere else slightly less interesting instead.
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Hmm. I hadn't been entirely convinced by some Shipmates' efforts to tie each story in the current sequence to a past incarnation of the Doctor. But then I just read that the 'gobby Australian' was a companion of the fifth Doctor...
...That is on cue for your sequence, yes?
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What's the significance of Ada? All I can think of is the Babbage Engine, and I'm not sure that that fits here.
Ada Lovelace. Who worked with Babbage, who built the Difference Engine.
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Seqential references to previous incarnations.
1-3 are pretty clear:
1 - 'I came here with my grandaughter'
2 - Ice Warriors
3 - Crystal from Metebelis Three
Also clear with 5, with reference to trying to get a gobby Australian to Heathrow and 'Brave Heart'
With 4 I think it is that it is wandering around the Tardis being chased my monsters, which the first time I watched 'The Invasion of Time' seemed to be a large part of the plot. Mind you I was not very old at the time, and about all I recall of Doctor Who before Romana and the Key to Time, was hiding my face in cushions while the Doctor and his companion were chased along corridors. Finally, when I rewatched them as an adult I realised that the companion in 'Invasion of Time' and 'Underworld' (the story before it) was Leela and not Romana, but that otherwise my recall of the stories was not that far out.
Is any of this going anywhere, except as a puzzle for the fans of working out each reference? Probably not.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
ETA You can read their adventures here.
I had quite forgotten those comics - but it looks as though Gatiss hadn't - there's sometning of that Ada in Jenny this week, isn't there?
And I was wrong about the difference engine - the picture on that page shows the analytical engine, which is clearly what they copied for the set. I had only thought they had referred to it in the design.
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Ada Lovelace is one of the very few women at the top table in computer science. Along with people like Babbage, Turing etc.
There is also a computer language Ada, named after her, used (these days) mainly by the military, I believe. I have never used it, but did a report on the language and development in my final year at university.
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Sudden attack of pedantry....
I believe the colour used in the programme was not crimson. Carmine, maybe. It could have been my set settings, but it did not look as though it was dark enoough for crimson. Though a search in google images suggests a lot of overlap - it definitely did not match the colour in my paintbox.
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If you can bring yourself to watch a bit of it, run through to Mrs G at her console and take a look at the difference engine they went to the bother of building just to smash with a chair after a few seconds in view.
I haven't found any references to that anywhere. It makes the choice of Ada's name not an accident.
Thank you for drawing attention to that - the difference engine is not something I would have recognized (althought I am familiar with both Ada Lovelace and, to some extent, her web-comic alter ego).
I think a further external reference was Jenny kicking ass in a cat-suit - surely a nod to Diana Rigg's contribution to genre televison? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Sudden attack of pedantry....
I believe the colour used in the programme was not crimson. Carmine, maybe. It could have been my set settings, but it did not look as though it was dark enoough for crimson. Though a search in google images suggests a lot of overlap - it definitely did not match the colour in my paintbox.
Right. The Pantone finder is here. (You might have to type "red" into the search box.) I'm voting for Pantone 18-1664-TX, aka Fiery Red. Though High Risk Red (18-1763-TPX) is also a possibility.
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