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Tubbs
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Because I may be the only person on this thread who would get this result, much less admit to it:
Amy
I'm Rory. Which is funny ...
Really looking forward to tomorrow ...
Tubbs
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Another Rory checking in ... and yes, also looking forward to tomorrow ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
I'm Rose - I wanted to be Martha!
I'd offer to swop, but I want to be River Song. If you can find someone who doesn't want to be her perhaps the three of us can sort something out.
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jedijudy
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I'm another Rory. Does that seem right?
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balaam
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I am the doctor.
OK not THE Doctor, but Doctor Song nevertheless. Ironic as I have no hair, how can you have a bald River Song?
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Ariel
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Want to swop? I can offer you Martha which you can then swop with Robert Armin for Rose. She has lots of hair. You'll like that much better.
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Gill H
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I'm Rory too. Which, since I admire and like Rory a lot more than Amy, is nice.
And also means I'm the pretty one.
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balaam
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Want to swop?
No. The only one I'd swap for is Mickey, but as that isn't an option I'll stick.
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Another Rory, but it was fairly accurate, especially as I am a nurse.
Other half was Donna which was very surprising.
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Eigon
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Gill H - have you seen the cover of GT that Arthur Darvill posed for? My jaw hit the floor in the middle of WH Smiths! (Rory as a gay icon! Who knew?)
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Trudy Scrumptious
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I got Donna, but I will admit to skewing the answers to the ones that I thought would get me that result.
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The Rogue
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Rose. Bugger.
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Ariel
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Well, that episode was much better than I expected, very enjoyable. Roaring snowmen and snowflakes with teeth, great stuff.
Clara/Oswin looks like being an interesting companion. Just so long as she doesn't turn into another Rose, and the Lurve Interest is the main theme of the forthcoming series.
When does it all kick off again properly, does anyone know?
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Dormouse
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Oh, I posted but lost it. I really enjoyed it too. I hope that Clara doesn't turn all lovey dovey...there's potential for it, but she is quite sparky though.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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I thought that was great! Clara is the most immediately appealing of the new companions so far - let's hope that doesn't fade as we find out more about her. The three main supporting characters were fantastic too. And how many people got the link back to the Troughton era before the great big nudge in the ribs at the end?
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The Rogue
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Perhaps she'll die at the end of every episode.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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Careful with Spoilers, Rogue; not everyone will have seen it yet.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
And how many people got the link back to the Troughton era before the great big nudge in the ribs at the end?
Er, no. What was that then?
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Jahlove
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anyone notice the Game of Thrones catchphrase* crossover?
*Winter Is Coming ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Oh, and I got bloody Pond on the quiz, just to add to the Christmas sulkiness ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
[ 25. December 2012, 18:51: Message edited by: Jahlove ]
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"Winter is coming" is the blatantly obvious nibble for the modern media-fan. The Tube map and the business card are the slightly subtler titbit for us aged old fans ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Chekov's gun was fired at the appropriate moment, and - this being Who - didn't work as expected.
Clara is certainly cute. And although this is far from the first time there was some hint of sexual attraction between the Doctor and one of the series of attractive young women he carries around with him - the trope goes way back to Baker (T) at least and possibly further, although its much more blatant in the revived series - I think this might be the first time it was shown explicitly onstage even before putative new companion becomes official Companion.
Well done for the Doctor not realising who was who till the end.
And fatherly love, or maybe family love, triumphs yet again at Christmas. How many times now?
(And for some reason that website with the quiz wants me to be Rose)
[ 25. December 2012, 19:03: Message edited by: ken ]
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L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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Originally posted by Ariel:
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Armin:
And how many people got the link back to the Troughton era before the great big nudge in the ribs at the end?
Er, no. What was that then?
There was a classic 1960s adventure, entitled "The Abominable Snowman", where the Yeti (actually robots) are controlled by the Great Intelligence (discussion on Wife in Space,
here). That was set in the Himalayas; when the Yeti returned ( The Web of Fear) a little while later they were running around the Underground.
Stop dozing at the back there! I'll give you a test later to see if you've been listening......
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Originally posted by The Rogue:
Perhaps she'll die at the end of every episode.
So Clara is the new Rory?
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Who do you think will get more traction with the British public - ++Nichols' Vatican scripted thunderbolt against gay marriage, or Madame Vastra's "I'm a lizard woman from the dawn of time, and this is my wife".
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I am Martha!
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Eigon
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Brilliant! Loved the 1967 Tube map, and "Winter is Coming", and the Tardis on a cloud, and the suggestion of Mary Poppins with the umbrella!
Even more obscure - the Latimers live at Darkover House - Marion Zimmer Bradley's series about a world where there's an awful lot of snow!
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Jahlove
Tied to the mast
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Originally posted by ken:
"Winter is coming" is the blatantly obvious nibble for the modern media-fan. The Tube map and the business card are the slightly subtler titbit for us aged old fans
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![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) hmm, GoT is a squillion times better than any of the NuWho stuff - tho I make an exception for Only Human which is outstanding as a piece of drama in its own right, even without the Who connection.
Merry Christmas
Jahlove
(who is so little of a media fan that she can't even remember how to make the tv work, having lost the manual and only sees stuff on inlayer occasionally).
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ken
Ship's Roundhead
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Originally posted by Eigon:
Even more obscure - the Latimers live at Darkover House - Marion Zimmer Bradley's series about a world where there's an awful lot of snow!
Darkover? Obscure? You mean the twenty-something volumes of Darkover stories on my shelf are odd? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Originally posted by Jahlove:
... hmm, GoT is a squillion times better than any of the NuWho stuff ...
Oh no. Oh no no no. Oh no nonono no nononono no nono no...
Game of Thrones is certainly good. I've read all seven or so books that are out so far, and I'm sure I'll re-read them before the next one comes out. And I'll no doubt buy all the TC programs on DVD (only seen the first series so far). But one of the reasons its good is that it pushes a lot of old buttons. Its not very original. Like, say, Harry Potter (though its better than Harry Potter) it partly lives as a kind of version of stories you already know (even if only culturally) Who, even new Who, sometimes, not often but sometimes, makes you go "Gosh! Wow!" in a way that Game of Thrones doesn't and probably can't because its not that kind of thing.
I've read some reviews praising Game of Thrones for its originality, but I suspect that they can only do that because they are not familiar with the sources its playing with (again, very much like Harry Potter). But you don't have to have read or remembered those sources for their echoes to have come down to you through other fictions, and to be awakened by the one you are reading now.
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L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Originally posted by Ariel:
When does it all kick off again properly, does anyone know?
No dates set yet, but after Easter. So probably April.
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Jahlove
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Originally posted by ken:
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jahlove:
... hmm, GoT is a squillion times better than any of the NuWho stuff ...
Oh no. Oh no no no. Oh no nonono no nononono no nono no...
Game of Thrones is certainly good. I've read all seven or so books that are out so far, and I'm sure I'll re-read them before the next one comes out. And I'll no doubt buy all the TC programs on DVD (only seen the first series so far). But one of the reasons its good is that it pushes a lot of old buttons. Its not very original. Like, say, Harry Potter (though its better than Harry Potter) it partly lives as a kind of version of stories you already know (even if only culturally) Who, even new Who, sometimes, not often but sometimes, makes you go "Gosh! Wow!" in a way that Game of Thrones doesn't and probably can't because its not that kind of thing.
I've read some reviews praising Game of Thrones for its originality, but I suspect that they can only do that because they are not familiar with the sources its playing with (again, very much like Harry Potter). But you don't have to have read or remembered those sources for their echoes to have come down to you through other fictions, and to be awakened by the one you are reading now.
Oh, yes yes yes yes yes
echoing sources is what stories do (qv Terry Prachett). To paraphrase Oscar, they are either well echoed or badly echoed. HP is badly done - Jennings goes to Ankh-Morpork via Hobbiton and gets his hide whupped. I agree, Who was quite an onlie begot original at its inception (even tho it was still, fundamentally, the same old Goodies v. Baddies concept) but now it is just referencing itself and other familiar stuff.
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Og: Thread Killer
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Liked it.
I hate angst.
Looked like it was going to get all angsty with him knowing she was going to end up as a Dalek and then...it didn't end up that way.
I do like that little team of his. And, lets face it, a generic Sontaran is as fun to watch as a Cyberman march.
That, and she knows something.
Pond.
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Jahlove
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indeed - angst are a real nuisance at picnics.
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Og: Thread Killer:
I do like that little team of his. And, lets face it, a generic Sontaran is as fun to watch as a Cyberman march.
The Sontaran is great. It's also good to see some aliens around for a change.
There were a lot of remarks on Twitter about Clara being the new Rory and dying every time - don't expect she will as that would get monotonous, but there may be more to her than meets the eye - how she turns up in the 21st century as well as the Victorian era has yet to be revealed. And we might get some more historical episodes out of the Doctor's search for her, too, which would be good.
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Staying with friends over the season.... In Oz, we saw it tonight (26th)
Wow..... It was great, and we loved catching all the references mentioned above.
All 8 of us, in awed and reverent silence.
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Originally posted by Jahlove:
indeed - angst are a real nuisance at picnics.
and in your pangst.
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I'm Amy. That was a bit of a shock.
Nen - confused about her identity.
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Another happy Rory here
I liked the Christmas special, once it got going, though nipping out a couple of times to check on the Christmas Dinner was a bit of a bind! I loved all the subtle references. I think anyone not getting those would miss the largest part of the fun of it.
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Ariel
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I got the Darkover reference which made me think I was probably missing a bunch more, but it was still quite entertaining even if you didn't get the in-jokes.
In other news, Doctor Who postage stamps will be available in March.
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Another Rory here...
Unsure about the Christmas episode. Too much soppy stuff for my liking...
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balaam
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That's where you went wrong To get River Song you have to answer as honestly as River Song would answer.
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Disappointed with the Snowmen story itself - seemed rather cursory - but thoroughly enjoyed the banter. The Sontaran was hilarious, he needs a spin-off show with the Silurian and the Silurian's wife.
But the thing that made me laugh the loudest was "It's smaller on the outside". ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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I was disappointed with the Christmas episode. There were some nice touches, especially the characters, but the story seemed a minor part of the episode, and more of the episode seemed to be a teaser for the next series.
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I enjoyed that, especially the references to Holmes and Mary Poppins. It will be interesting to see where they take it from here.
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I thoroughly enjoyed the Christmas episode, but as much for Michael Pickwoad's work as for Steven Moffat's: it looked fantastic. I love the new TARDIS design - far better than anything else we've had since 2005. And Pickwoad does "bleak and Victorian" especially well. I liked Madame Vastra and Jenny - I'd always hoped they might reappear. And I liked Strax, even though I'd expected not to. The business with the memory worm was a cute piece of comedy, very well played. (Is it too much to hope that Vastra, Jenny and Strax might become the eleventh Doctor's UNIT?)
Richard E Grant was brilliant, and I liked the reintroduction of the Great Intelligence. I don't like bringing back old enemies just for the sake of it, but this was something new and worthwhile, and you didn't really need to know the Yeti stories to appreciate it. Having said that, my "bounce excitedly off the sofa" moment was when the Doctor held up the tin, and I saw the map of the Underground on it.
But there was one great big thing wrong with it all for me. Yet again, schmaltzy nuclear family sentimentality conquers all. Enough! We got the message years ago - Moffat gets a kick out of being a dad. Now bloody well get over it and write about something else!
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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
Is it too much to hope that Vastra, Jenny and Strax might become the eleventh Doctor's UNIT?)
As they are featured in the "What happens next" segment at the end of the show you could have your wish.
As for Vastra and Jenny, is a relationship lesbian if the couple are from different species?
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Trudy Scrumptious
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The bit with Strax and the memory worm had my whole family in stitches. I really hope the Sontaran sidekick stays around for the rest of the season; he's hilarious. Especially the part about someone wanting the Doctor to send grenades.
"Grenades?"
"She might have said ... help."
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I don't think it was nuclear family sentimentality. There was a man, his two children (but no wife), a happily married lesbian couple, and a clone. They were all part of it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dafyd:
I don't think it was nuclear family sentimentality. There was a man, his two children (but no wife), a happily married lesbian couple, and a clone. They were all part of it.
Okay. So "traditional family sentimentality" then...
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Robert Armin
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balaam: quote:
As for Vastra and Jenny, is a relationship lesbian if the couple are from different species?
Only if the Pope disapproves!
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