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Carys
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The Methodist Recorder's review today complains about the "sexually explicit and vulgar language" which I think is rather to miss the point.
Indeed. On the whole, the sexually explicit and vulgar language came from the people around the vicar, much of it trying to shock him. That seems pretty realistic to me.
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I caught it on i-Player the other night and was quite impressed. With regard to the comments that the congregation didn't match the supposedly Anglo-Catholic previous incumbent, I didn't find that too much of a jar. After all, it's not THAT uncommon for the ecclesiology of the priest and congregation not to match. At any rate, I've certainly met it before.
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Sparrow
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One thing I thought was spot on was the complete and utter contempt shown to the vicar and by implication the church, from all the non-Christian characters in the show.
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Jemima the 9th
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I really liked it, although it had been billed as a "Thick of It for the church" or similar, and it wasn't that funny. I thought the evil Archdeacon was brilliant. The only bit I wasn't keen on was the Dawkins discussion at the end: it felt a bit shoe-horned in.
Otherwise, I'm really looking forward to the next episode. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Angloid
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Originally posted by Sparrow:
One thing I thought was spot on was the complete and utter contempt shown to the vicar and by implication the church, from all the non-Christian characters in the show.
Depends what you mean by non-Christian, and what their motives were. The builders were clearly only 'avin a larf', and the slimy MP had his own agenda. But if the series is in any way realistic I would expect to see many members of the local community warming to the vicar and the church while remaining 'outside the fold'. If you want real contempt, I would wait for the first PCC meeting.
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I was a little disappointed at first to find it so slow, however it did have a certain appeal. I found the vicar a quite positive character, which is refreshing on TV these days. The best thing though was the hot-headed Colin's Richard Dawkins line delivered in such a no-nonsense northern acceent:
If I met Richard Dawkins - I'd kick him the bollocks
That made me laugh out loud! I will be watching the series with interest. More of a comedy drama than a sit-com though.
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Originally posted by tessaB:
our vicar always looks around to check no-one else is watching and then takes his dog collar off if he is going to swear.
Tessa, do I know you?! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Zappa
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I am reminded of the occasion in 1990 when I was on my way to an induction, on my motorbike. A motorist pulled blindly out of a driveway and skittled me. As I strode towards her removing helmet, gloves and scarf, and temporarily forgetting the garb I was wearing, I snarled "what the fucking hell do you think you're doing ..." . Her eyes grew bigger and bigger, fixed on my dog collar.
I later sat through the induction with a growing wrist. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Could have been worse had she been the area dean.
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Andromeda
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Originally posted by Sparrow:
One thing I thought was spot on was the complete and utter contempt shown to the vicar and by implication the church, from all the non-Christian characters in the show.
I actually thought that the builders were quite over the top and unrealistic. That was one but that didn't really ring true for me.
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by Andromeda:
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Originally posted by Sparrow:
One thing I thought was spot on was the complete and utter contempt shown to the vicar and by implication the church, from all the non-Christian characters in the show.
I actually thought that the builders were quite over the top and unrealistic. That was one but that didn't really ring true for me.
According to the producer it's based on a true story.
Mind you, when I watched it I thought the archdeacon came across as OTT, so I'm slightly scared by the number of clergy who find him true to life ... ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Loveheart
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My sainted mother phoned me up to say how offended she was, thats guaranteed to keep me watching ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
Here's a clip from this week's show, if anyone is interested....
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Angloid
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
Mind you, when I watched it I thought the archdeacon came across as OTT, so I'm slightly scared by the number of clergy who find him true to life ...
We have cuddly Archdeacons in Liverpool, Ricardus! But this one is quite believable.
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Robert Armin
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I'm alarmed to hear how many people thought the Archdeacon was true to life. Having finally watched the episode I thought he was a wild caricature, but maybe I've been lucky. Most of the programme didn't ring true to me, but I liked the bit where he prayed, and then did the right thing. (But why couldn't both weddings have been on the same day? In years gone by I've done five weddings on a single Saturday - not a lot of fun.)
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Angloid
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I'm looking forward to tomorrow's episode in which apparently Adam responds to the Archdeacon's demand for more bums on pews, by linking up with a neighbouring (HTB?) evangelical cleric.
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+Chad
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And Alex's opinion of him is exactly the same as mine!
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Sparrow
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
(But why couldn't both weddings have been on the same day? In years gone by I've done five weddings on a single Saturday - not a lot of fun.)
If it's a typical inner London parish, the first bride would be at least an hour and a half late, which would make scheduling a second wedding a bit risky!
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Alex Cockell
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what's the likelihood that that bridegroom will miss that high note in Angels?
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Roseofsharon
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Originally posted by kankucho:
my experiences here on the Ship have primed me for a lot of the nuances — not least of which is the credibility of a vicar taking his collar off and telling someone to fuck off.
Once upon a time that scene would have shocked me, but not after five years on The Ship.
It seems more true to life than the po-faced buck-toothed TV portrayal of clergy that has had me wincing with embarrassment for years.
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Jemima the 9th
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Just watched the clip and laughed very very much, especially at the PA comment. Laughter from recognition, largely...
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Gracious rebel
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I'm surprised that noone else has mentioned what was REALLY shocking about this vicar's behaviour....(whisper) he was smoking! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Alex Cockell
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RRev is on in the next couple of minutes if you fancied it... couple of us are int he cafe...
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Amos
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I'm watching this through my fingers IYKWIM.
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Auntie Doris
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I'm still giggling at the 'what a knob-end' comment!
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Panda
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I think he's going to regret using Darren as a kinky nickname...
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Amos
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Sorry to graft in the 'names' thread, but the pseudo-HTB vicar wasn't really a 'Darren' was he? he was really a Jago or a Toby or possibly a Nicky.
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That was close to the mark in so very, very many ways. Someone's clearly done their research. I spent the whole programme on the line between laughter and deep, heartfelt sorrow. I mean, clearly there were some soft targets there and the charicature of charismatic/evo churches was painted with fairly broad strokes, but as someone who's been there... ouch. Really, really ouch.
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hilaryg
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I think the Archdeacon is turning into the star of the show. Lovely little scene when he backs Adam up at the end.
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Alex Cockell
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Originally posted by Amos:
Sorry to graft in the 'names' thread, but the pseudo-HTB vicar wasn't really a 'Darren' was he? he was really a Jago or a Toby or possibly a Nicky.
Yeah - seems to borrow mannerisms from Nicky G...
but I hope that some hTB dynamics aren't so sinister as the "Be my friend" line...
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Angloid
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Brilliant!!! And brilliant casting to make Darren twice the size of Adam. The clothes and the grin were just right. And his dismissal of Adam's quoting of scripture because it didn't suit his purpose.
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tessaB
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Great episode. Loved the way the vicar stood up for Colin. I thought that for someone in a comedy programme (and it was funny) to really show Christ's love in that way was so refreshing. The vicar is a very sympathetic character who obviously has a real and deep faith and that is unusual I think in comedy shows.(The vicar of Dibley just didn't seem to have the same level of faith and reliance on God.)
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+Chad
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The Archdeacon has a soul after all - and very good taste in young men. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) And ambition - purple scarf and a pectoral cross.
I can't comment on HTB, but they gave Darren traits I've seen in some 'ministers' of that ilk - bragging about their vibrant, lively, God-filled, happy places, and the money they generate. "Awesome".
I have to say that the Darren ego-trip reminded me of the ill-fated Nine O'Clock Service.
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Paul.
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Enjoyed it again though the Evos were very caricatured. But that's probably just my background/baggage showing through. I had to keep telling myself that that's how it must look from the outside.
But my bigger problem with the episode was the portrayal of the vicar being so timid and reserved sexually. I know he talked about being tired and that it was the job that got in the way rather than his lack of desire, but there was something in the performance that still felt too close to the sexless vicar cliche.
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Alex Cockell
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Originally posted by wilson:
Enjoyed it again though the Evos were very caricatured. But that's probably just my background/baggage showing through. I had to keep telling myself that that's how it must look from the outside.
But my bigger problem with the episode was the portrayal of the vicar being so timid and reserved sexually. I know he talked about being tired and that it was the job that got in the way rather than his lack of desire, but there was something in the performance that still felt too close to the sexless vicar cliche.
Just maybe that his mental model didn't cover as wide a range as his wife? It is known...
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Bob Two-Owls
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Originally posted by +Chad:
I have to say that the Darren ego-trip reminded me of the ill-fated Nine O'Clock Service.
Yes, it reminded me all to deeply of that poisonous little episode. I punched the air with tears in my eyes when the Archdeacon stood up to Darren at the end.
I think that Rev is more "The Office" to the Vicar of Dibley's "Last of the Summer Wine".
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Really looking forward to more of the Archdeacon over the rest of the series. I loved it when he backed Adam up over Colin. Very much enjoying this series, I hope it gains a wide following.
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Originally posted by tessaB:
Great episode. Loved the way the vicar stood up for Colin. I thought that for someone in a comedy programme (and it was funny) to really show Christ's love in that way was so refreshing. The vicar is a very sympathetic character who obviously has a real and deep faith and that is unusual I think in comedy shows.(The vicar of Dibley just didn't seem to have the same level of faith and reliance on God.)
I totally agree.
There is so much about this series that strikes a chord with me in ministry. Yes of cause some of it is exaggerated for laughs but there is so much truth in it.
I just have a sneaking feeling it might only last the one series which will be a pity.
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Sorry for the double post.
I was saying to my wife last night that I was sure the actor playing the Archdeacon was the same chap who played the organist / choir master in the Vicar of Dibley. And I was right! Simon McBurney
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Angloid
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Originally posted by Benny Diction 2:
I just have a sneaking feeling it might only last the one series which will be a pity.
Never mind. The DVDs will be in every vicar's (and minister's) Christmas stocking and will be watched many times.
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Bob Two-Owls
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Viewing figures of over 2 million for the first episode according to Wikipedia. For a BBC2 late-night comedy that is very respectable and if it doesn't drop off we might see a second series yet.
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Like most who have posted, I regard 'Rev' as the treat of the week. I just wish the programme was a little longer, say 45 minutes, as this would allow exploration of the many points to be a little more leisurely and less one-liner sitcom style.
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Originally posted by Amos:
Sorry to graft in the 'names' thread, but the pseudo-HTB vicar wasn't really a 'Darren' was he? he was really a Jago or a Toby or possibly a Nicky.
I think HTB would have sued for libel if they'd made him Nicky.
Also scary - 'we do take all major credit cards!' right at the beginning of the service...
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Thurible:
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The closeted, educated, bookish type who is higher than he'd like his church to be ("Hello, Father!" "Please call me Adam!") and has become a Reader [after being turned down by his BAP*] despite having the pastoral skills of a gnat?
Following last night's episode, not so closeted, it would seem! They've (thankfully?) done themselves out of a storyline there.
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Originally posted by Bob Two-Owls:
I think that Rev is more "The Office" to the Vicar of Dibley's "Last of the Summer Wine".
Yes, agree absolutely with the Dibley = Summer Wine comparison, though I'm hoping Rev will be more like "Green Wing" or "Scrubs" than "The Office", which I admire enormously, but somehow don't really like.
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Amos
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Originally posted by Panda:
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Originally posted by Amos:
Sorry to graft in the 'names' thread, but the pseudo-HTB vicar wasn't really a 'Darren' was he? he was really a Jago or a Toby or possibly a Nicky.
I think HTB would have sued for libel if they'd made him Nicky.
Also scary - 'we do take all major credit cards!' right at the beginning of the service...
HTB'd have sued for libel if they'd made Darren a Toby or a Jago too--how do you think I came to pick those particular monikers? But you really do have to do the Public School Evo ethos to be accurate in your satire, so Darren isn't quite right. Xander? Rupert? James even?
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*sigh*
I dare the CBC to do something like this.
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Originally posted by Sober Preacher's Kid:
*sigh*
I dare the CBC to do something like this.
Does BBC iPlayer work in Canada? If so you can watch it online.
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