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And why does Adam walk so oddly in a cassock? I know the actor might not be used to it, but he walks like a duck kicking the 'skirt' every time he moves!
I think it's the way he walks normally rather than just in a cassock. He walked in the same manner when he played Cal in The Thick of It
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I think it's the way he walks normally rather than just in a cassock.
Agreed. That's also how he walked in Pride & Prejudice - I was particularly reminded of the scene when he stalked away in a huff after Lizzie turned down his proposal.
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Originally posted by Hazey*Jane:
I saw the episode summary in the Radio Times and the MW project sprang to mind. I found myself thinking 'What have we done to him?!' ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
There was a silly piece in there saying that maybe it'd benefit from canned laughter or more obvious jokes. Daft idea - one of the joys is the subtlety.
What does she want, 'Last of the summer wine'?
Some of Alison Graham's articles are very good - when she writes on the use of violence against women as 'entertainment', for example, but in this case she is wronger than a wrong thing that's mistaken.
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Originally posted by Hazey*Jane:
There was a silly piece in there saying that maybe it'd benefit from canned laughter or more obvious jokes.
No comedy programs are actually improved by either of these. Canned laughter is always a bad idea.
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I can't say that I've ever consciously noticed the lack of canned laughter, in this or any other programme. But one of the irritating things about Summer Wine is just that.
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I can't say that I've ever consciously noticed the lack of canned laughter, in this or any other programme. But one of the irritating things about Summer Wine is just that.
M*A*S*H is a classic series which has been broadcast both with and without the laughter track. The version with is pretty awful!
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As M*A*S*H was shown in the UK without a laugh track, I was really thrown when I saw it in the US for the first time - it really distracted from the subtlety and quality of the writing and performance. I am glad that we are allowed to approach both in Rev without such a barrier.
Back to the thread ... I may be starting to fall in love, ever so slightly, with the Reverend Smallbone. Watching him fight to follow his calling and his moral compass in the face of the difficulties that beset him and seeing him always trying to do the right and Christ-like thing, makes me wish that I were the one that he'd chosen as his companion rather than Alex. Funnily enough though, my suitors have always had more of the AD about them. Ho hum.
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Ancient Mariner
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We had suspected it for a while, now we have proof.
James Wood, writer of Rev, told us today that Ship of Fools inspired '...the final (and best) episode of Rev next week featuring Adam having a crisis of faith entirely sparked by a bad review of his sermon he gets on an irreverent Christian website we called Godslot!'
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Thats cool, Ancient Mariner! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
Personally I am developing a soft spot for Nigel, which frankly I find very perturbing!
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Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
James Wood, writer of Rev, told us today that Ship of Fools inspired the '...the final (and best) episode of Rev next week featuring Adam having a crisis of faith entirely sparked by a bad review of his sermon he gets on a irreverent Christian website we called Godslot!'
So now we need life to imitate art by having someone MW a service at St Leonard's, Shoreditch (where the series is filmed). Then we can wake up and discover we are butterflies dreaming we are people, or like the Oozlum bird, fly in ever decreasing circles until we disappear up...
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Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
We had suspected it for a while, now we have proof.
James Wood, writer of Rev, told us today that Ship of Fools inspired the series, to the extent that '...the final (and best) episode of Rev next week features Adam having a crisis of faith entirely sparked by a bad review of his sermon he gets on a irreverent Christian website we called Godslot!'
YES!
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OK - so that's Radio 2 around Kitschmas... MW for Rev... weren't some shippies on Songs of Praise at some point?
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perhaps mystery worshipping could expand to other BBC programmes? I'd love to read a report from Ambridge...
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..or East Enders?
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Ancient Mariner
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Simon's blog on Rev here.
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Is next week the last episode? That seems a short run.
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That makes six episodes. A fairly typical first series I would have thought.
Lets hope there is a series two.
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Even though it was presented as a comedic faux-pas, the Vicar's description of the Bible was brilliant.
From this side of the pond, the whole association between using a thurible and biretta and going to Rome was rather amusing, given that both are common in my Episcopal Diocese. No one would associate them with necessarily Roman leanings.
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Originally posted by angelica37:
perhaps mystery worshipping could expand to other BBC programmes? I'd love to read a report from Ambridge...
Or Dibley?
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That would be far too obvious, although it could be fun trying to describe a typical Dibley service in suitably measured MW tones. The choirmaster (before he took holy orders and ended up in London Diocese, of course) would certainly be marked down as a "distraction".
There must be many church services described in literature which would make interesting subjects for MW reports ... How would one mark the Rector's preaching in "Lark Rise to Candleford", for instance? I can't think of any nonconformist ones, though, except for a dreadful one in "How Green Was My Valley".
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Angloid
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Originally posted by ToujoursDan:
From this side of the pond, the whole association between using a thurible and biretta and going to Rome was rather amusing, given that both are common in my Episcopal Diocese. No one would associate them with necessarily Roman leanings.
As several of us have already remarked on this thread. They are both common in London diocese too, and I would guess less so in the parallel (Westminster) RC diocese. (Birettas at any rate)
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It would seem that James Wood is also making an appearance at Greenbelt. Looks like it will be worth going to see.
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
There must be many church services described in literature which would make interesting subjects for MW reports [...] I can't think of any nonconformist ones, though.
What about the fierce fundamentalist service in Cold Comfort Farm? That would be a cracker!
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Alex Cockell
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Or any of the services from Oranges are not the only fruit?
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Originally posted by Ancient Mariner:
...an irreverent Christian website we called Godslot!'
Hoping that Darren comes back to say it's not a Christian website ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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RadicalWhig
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Or any of the services from Oranges are not the only fruit?
Yeah. What was that with the animal masks? I didn't understand that at all.
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Alex Cockell
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Originally posted by Alex Cockell:
Or any of the services from Oranges are not the only fruit?
Yeah. What was that with the animal masks? I didn't understand that at all.
Start of episode 2 wasn't it? Lemme replay my DVD and I'll see if I can garner it...
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Originally posted by Auntie Doris:
It would seem that James Wood is also making an appearance at Greenbelt. Looks like it will be worth going to see.
Auntie Doris x
We will SO be there! That and jars of clay and Stanley Haweras and it looks like I've actually got stuff I want to go see this year ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
[QUOTE]So now we need life to imitate art by having someone MW a service at St Leonard's, Shoreditch (where the series is filmed). Then we can wake up and discover we are butterflies dreaming we are people, or like the Oozlum bird, fly in ever decreasing circles until we disappear up...
Well.....I was planning a trip to Columbia Road, which is just round the corner from St Leonard's, on Sunday anyway.....
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Just caught up with the last episode.
The loneliness and feeling of being a 'loser' is very true to the experience of many priests that I have known well.
The sexual inexperience portrayed is less true. Most priests under 50 are likely to have played the field before they got married - they just tend not to boast about it.
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Originally posted by RadicalWhig:
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
There must be many church services described in literature which would make interesting subjects for MW reports [...] I can't think of any nonconformist ones, though.
What about the fierce fundamentalist service in Cold Comfort Farm? That would be a cracker!
Or the whaling sermon at the beginning of Moby Dick?
(I remember at the time finding it one of the most powerful parts of the book. In hindsight, though, I can't remember a thing about it ...)
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The sexual inexperience portrayed is less true.
I didn't get the impression that Adan was necessarily inexperienced, nor that he was unaware, or unhappy, that Alex had a previous sexual history - just that his feeling of inadequacy (lack of babies, height, social success) were intensified by the thought of Alex's adventurous coupling with whateverhisnamewas.
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Ancient Mariner
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Originally posted by Zappa:
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Originally posted by leo:
Most priests under 50 are likely to have played the field before they got married - they just tend not to boast about it.
Well didn't I miss out on the fun then.
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Originally posted by Roseofsharon:
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Originally posted by leo:
The sexual inexperience portrayed is less true.
I didn't get the impression that Adan was necessarily inexperienced, nor that he was unaware, or unhappy, that Alex had a previous sexual history - just that his feeling of inadequacy (lack of babies, height, social success) were intensified by the thought of Alex's adventurous coupling with whateverhisnamewas.
Can't have been much fun having that picture planted in his head
I would agree - he did say that he knew and expected that Alex had a sexual history, but he would rather not know about it, or meet the other people responsible for it.
And in the context of the loneliness theme, I think it was just enhancing Adams sense of loneliness.
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An alternative view from someone who looks after clergy working precisely in those circumstances that Rev claims to portray.
Unfunny because it reflects wet liberal angst. Most of our clergy are missional, heroic and vibrantly full of faith.
A bit what you expect from some of the clergy who whinge in private and talk behind their hands at chapter meetings. They espouse a "glass half empty" view of the CofE. They've never actually met an Archdeacon like that, but they like to pretend that that's how we all are.
Yes, the lay people in the series inhabit every inner city parish that I've ever worked in, but they aren't the norm.
And the series is full of cheap shots (HTB plants in Stepney just aren't like that; most parishes worked out years ago how they relate to issues of hospitality with Muslims; you'd never appoint a wet country parish vicar to a parish like that). But don't let the reality get in the way of fantasies...
The pity of it is that it reinforces Dibley. "The CofE is lovable and wonderfully accepting of everybody. But it also doesn't believe anything, wouldn't be worth joining, and has no relevance to real life."
And it certainly doesn't have a life-changing, radical message about the Kingdom of God.
Rev just feels like the jaundiced maundering of a few of our sadder clergy sniggering behind the bike sheds and needing to get a life. But clearly I'm in a minority on this!
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Originally posted by pete173:
And it certainly doesn't have a life-changing, radical message about the Kingdom of God.
Is that its purpose?
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Originally posted by pete173:
The pity of it is that it reinforces Dibley. "The CofE is lovable and wonderfully accepting of everybody. But it also doesn't believe anything, wouldn't be worth joining, and has no relevance to real life."
And it certainly doesn't have a life-changing, radical message about the Kingdom of God.
While I accept your comments about the speed that some of the changes, that is the nature of a series, that time is often compressed, but the above I do not agree with. I think he series has shown that the rev at least does believe in something, and is trying very hard to live that out in very difficult circumstances. In the first episode, the real challenges of using his influence just for the churches financial gain, or staying true to his understanding of his faith were clearly brought out, and very well, I think. In Dibley, she would have given in ( especially if the MP was good looking ).
And in the last one on loneliness, the reality that people who seem to be busy, active, and the centre of a social life may be very lonely in reality, and the truth that the Rev had a community of people around him, who were his real friends ( even though they were parishoners ), was excellent.
It is not everything, but I think it shows Adam struggling to make the "life-changing, radical message" a reality in the environment that he is in. And so makes it not just a nice set of words, but something practical and real. And that is what I like about it.
It is not Dibley, or Dibley-lite. The characters are all over-done, of course, but teh stories and the messages are about relating the Christian message to reality.
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Quite so, Schroedinger's cat, most of the comedy and pathos comes from the fact that someone did appoint a wet country parish vicar to a parish like that, not to mention that it reflects wet liberal angst. There would be little room for exploration of character if the central protagonist was building upon a foundation of rock-solid faith in a thriving church that presented them no challenges.
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The IT Crowd is unfunny as it portrays people who work in IT as being geeks who cannot form relationships when many IT professionals are not like that at all.
Fawlty Towers is unfunny because it portrays a manic hotelier with no people skills whatsoever when many hoteliers are charming people.
Til Death Us Do Part is unfunny because it portrays a bigoted working class racist when many working class people aren't racist at all.
Rev is a comedy show. Lighten up!
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Pete, I'd love to see you playing a cameo part as the visiting Bishop. Perhaps you'd get a chance to air some of these views in person!
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]The IT Crowd is unfunny
The fourth series really wasunfunny. Such a disappointment.
Pete's comments about Rev are really depressing. It's almost as if his approach to religion admits of no humour, no criticism and no self-mockery. Personally, I think Rev provides a very positive and encouraging view of the CofE - almost as if there really was a point to it all (other than just as a preservation society for nice buildings, old rituals, and cake - which as we know, its its true divine mission).
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by pete173:
And it certainly doesn't have a life-changing, radical message about the Kingdom of God.
Is that its purpose?
I think Pete meant the series doesn't portray the C of E as having a life-changing, radical message… , and I do think that is (part of) the C of E's purpose. Clearly I wouldn't expect the comedy to have that purpose.
I confess to mixed feelings about Rev. There are some things which are there for the comedy - which simply wouldn't happen in real life in quite that way*, and I'm not quite sure that I'm really happy with the overall take on the C of E which I am getting from the series. ISTM the message is "maybe loveable, but a bit sad and hopeless". I'm sure that it would be possible to do comedy with a rather different tone to it.
(*E.g., the mechanics of the school places question, the role of the archdeacon - and ISTM his odd understanding of the 'hierarchy')
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Well, the reason I find it unfunny is that I find it unfunny. Humour is like that. It's personal. So it's OK not to laugh at stuff that other people find hilarious. It's less appalling than a lot of what passes for humour on the TV, which often depends on cruelty and mockery, but that's another discussion. I leave it to those who know me in real life to tell you whether I have no sense of humour!
The point I'm making about Rev is that it plays into the generally depressing portrayal of the Christian faith as contentless but nice humanism with a nod to a God who's probably absent, and of the Church as a bunch of shambolic and witless wets who couldn't organise the proverbial in the brewery. The clergy who "advised" on it may have got the vestments right, but they sure as anything didn't help the series depict the CofE in urban London that I know and love.
Of course it's a comedy - but it's just one more pointless nail in the coffin of credibility for a faith that is transformative and dynamic. I have to watch it every week in order to keep in touch with what's being said. But it gives me no pleasure.
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Well, if there's another series maybe it will include some of the comical clerical antics in the Willesden area. Ruislip is a hotbed of them I'm told.
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Zappa
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[Hostly biretta waving]
Sniff ... sniff. is this the faintest aroma of deep seriousness I detect?
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While Heaven is not ipso facto devoid of intellect (I hope) perhaps the serious theo-socio-harmitiological undertones belong elsewhere.
Find the fluff, desist the weeping and gnashing, or perhaps we will all go down for deeper debates in the realm of indulgences.
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leo
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Originally posted by pete173:
An alternative view from someone who looks after clergy working precisely in those circumstances that Rev claims to portray.
Unfunny because it reflects wet liberal angst. Most of our clergy are missional, heroic and vibrantly full of faith.
I think you are being a bit hard on this issue. Granted that you seem to be one of the more pastoral bishops, it is still the case that the clergy you meet will see you as their 'boss', or at least a representing your diocesan. So they may not tell you about their loneliness and doubts.
I am not being rude but simply pointing out that the role of bishop as it has become makes it harder for a bishop to be perceived as the pastor s/he is meant to be.
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Angloid
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I wonder if a serious discussion about fluffy vicars would slip under the hostly radar? If not exactly fluffy, Adam is not the kind of priest we want to have: vague, liberal, well-meaning but hesitant to state what he really believes, because he probably doesn't believe very much at all. Or so Pete173 thinks.
Humour, as he says, is a personal thing so there's no reason why he should necessarily find Rev funny. But as a bishop, has he never encountered priests like this? Priests who struggle with doubts, and nevertheless believe that they are meant to keep the flame of faith alive; who are aware of the dangers of priestly authority; who recoil from the slick certainties of more doctrinaire members of the church; who somehow believe they are called to live alongside the outcast and poor and through them recognise their own vulnerability...
Are they a bad advertisement for the modern, confident, assertively evangelical Church of England? I doubt it. I think that more people who have watched this series will think again about the role of the church in our society, than ever did after the Vicar of Dibley, or will do in a month of Sundays of tele-evangelism. In a media-driven, image-conscious world, it's surely refreshing to see a portrayal of someone who is not driven by the need to put on a good face, or give a convincing presentation. Someone who is honest to God, in other words.
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Oooooh! Angloid said 'Honest to God!' I'm telling!
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