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I'd also like to add that this thread now counts for 10 % of all my posts on the Ship.
And Banner Lady, I think you're right. I was wondering about why people dismissed Eliab's guilt as a nightmare scenario "in which case we're doomed anyway", especially in combination with a guilty Zapa or Codine. I suppose it's tied to how greatly they played innocent. While I myself was not tricked (though Jay-Emm had me completely fooled, but then again his play evaded Eliab as well), but to everyone else it seems there was just nothing to go on regarding the Evil Pair, so it would be both nightmare and masterful which seemed improbable or something.
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I'm quite regretful in retrospect that I was so convinced that Eliabulon and Codine were Innocent that they were convinced I was the Sympathiser ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) . On the other hand I am quite tickled to have been the source of what must have a been a major WTF moment for E & C when Ja'ayem was revealed as the Sympathiser ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif) .
Eliab, I interpreted your Pot/Kettle remark to be saying that my comment to Gwai (about being able to say the most innocent sounding things while being completely guilty) was like the pot calling the kettle black. It never occurred to me that you might actually be trying to communicate to me.
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It was kind of amusing after I was dead to see Ios go from not suspecting those two and waffling to pressing Second Partridge and leading the charge against Eliab. I thought I was an utter fool for having trusted her; suddenly, I saw through her deceptions, understood why she had never been willing to stick her neck out and take risks, and figured out who had killed me. After all, what motive would Eliabulon have for wanting me dead? Now that Z was dead, Ios could engage in Grafinnchasing all she wanted.
…Nope, that was just her. The waffling wasn't a smokescreen, the recapitulation of the archives wasn't just the Possessed making as much of an effort to stay alive as we were, and me being killed rather than her was just a tactical error on the part of the Possessed.
I mean, really. As much flak as I've been getting for insufficiently suspecting Eliabulon (though I notice I suspected Codine less—again, the hat existed for a reason), what motive would the Possessed have had for killing off me?
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My theory: They killed you because you were a known Innocent, and as the pool of living bus riders got very small, E & C needed the still-living Innocents in the small remaining pool to be ones on whom they could throw doubt.
For example, on that last night when Eliabulon was frantically digging up as much dirt as he could find on me, just to shake John's confidence: that could never have worked if you were alive instead of me.
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If Zapa really couldn't see the logics of taking out cleared innocents, then he really hasn't studied past Eliabulons beyond the fact that they tend to die, no matter guilty or not. I'm actually surprised - that hat seems to have come in a somewhat smaller size than I'd expected from previous readings of yours... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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It makes sense, sure, but it's just not what I would have done. Like I think I said elsewhere, I was never quite sure why anyone took my role claim at all seriously—I certainly never gave it any weight. It's the most meaningless and easily disputed claim of all to make.
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Yes, but to quote Dire Straits, "Two men says they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong."
It's terribly expensive to spend mafioso on making false claims, quite simply. It's also very cheap to check them out by sacrificing one of them, and if wrong then taking the other next day. That's also another foundation for my own false claim. Anything that's identifiable as unique is too easy to achieve a 50 % hit rate which is perfectly affordable in most cases for the townspeople.
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Even if Choey went for Zapa occasionally, we saved a lot of fog, noise, patience and thought-power by not always having to discount the 60-70% trust rate for every single player.
That is, of course, as long as nobody places full and total trust in the mafioso, especially not somebody who's cleared and extremely vocal. Not that we'd know anyone like that, of course. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Yes, I did go for Zapa occasionally, but only after he went all out for me. As an innocent, being badgered by questions like "Why are you still even alive" followed by accusations that I hadn't answered his "reasonable" questions had me wanting to punch his lights out. The mafia must have been chuckling all the way to the winning post - especially when I added to the glee by repeatedly nominating Hophtrig (sorry Alban).
But I was right about Codine. As for a mafia sacrifice - yes, it has been done before, and I did point out the possibility early on. Sometimes things that make no sense are the biggest clue of all.
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Ariston, am I understanding you correctly that you chose a personality for Zapa, and then you played that personality full tilt, regardless of Ariston yourself might believe? No wonder I often thought Zapa seemed Possessed (except the unchallenged role claim was to me good proof that he was Innocent). That kind of play seems to me something a Mafia member does, not a Townsperson.
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Pretty much. Try out new strategies, see what works, see what doesn't—I wouldn't say there was anything I didn't believe, but I was trying to interpret and work with evidence and interactions in ways I wouldn't normally. Trying to be absolutely, perfectly, unswervingly rational, letting out my inner Purg denizen or the people I knew in grad school (heck, was in grad school, and to some extent still am), presetting filters and interpretive schema to discount hunches and intuition but favor close readings of texts.
Why would I want to play the game the same way each time? That'd be boring. Even if everything had gone absolutely perfectly, I'd never use this same strategy again, and not just because (surprisingly!)* it seemed to hack people off.
*Now I'm wondering if my RL experiences are weirder than I thought. Like I said, Z is in many ways (not the fun, creative ones) based on myself and my colleagues when I was in grad school, many of whom I still work with now, and that sort of questioning, looking for holes in arguments, and following after any sort of weakness or unparsed assumption was/is what passed/passes for talking about the weather.
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Even if Choey went for Zapa occasionally, we saved a lot of fog, noise, patience and thought-power by not always having to discount the 60-70% trust rate for every single player.
That is, of course, as long as nobody places full and total trust in the mafioso, especially not somebody who's cleared and extremely vocal. Not that we'd know anyone like that, of course.
Yes, I did go for Zapa occasionally, but only after he went all out for me. As an innocent, being badgered by questions like "Why are you still even alive" followed by accusations that I hadn't answered his "reasonable" questions had me wanting to punch his lights out. The mafia must have been chuckling all the way to the winning post - especially when I added to the glee by repeatedly nominating Hophtrig (sorry Alban).
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As someone who had only played one game before this, and having been bumped off the on night one after having pretty much done nothing, I honestly did wonder (in this round) if bumping off newbie innocents who hadn't learned how to argue their way out of a nomination was an actual stratagy. So yeah, after I bailed, guess who I was the most convinced was a mafioso, definitely, no question in my mind?
As to why I bailed- I was just entering a real life round of job interviews, and decided it was a bad idea for me to volunteer for a situation where people would say thing like " are you really that stupid/useless?" to me. I needed all the confidence I could muster-- ergo mafia= bad idea. While I remember the pirate version being blustery, i guess I didn't observe long enough after I was bumped to see how intense it gets.
If some of y'all are interested in a d and d esque type game, I would be very interested- I think I would do much better in a setting where there was a mutual sense if having each other's backs, for the most part.
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Ariston, am I understanding you correctly that you chose a personality for Zapa, and then you played that personality full tilt, regardless of Ariston yourself might believe? No wonder I often thought Zapa seemed Possessed (except the unchallenged role claim was to me good proof that he was Innocent). That kind of play seems to me something a Mafia member does, not a Townsperson.
This is very, very true. I think people do approach the game differently though. This is something I think we should discuss, either on this thread or the other, set-up one - because quite frankly, it wouldn't be the first time I'd see an "would this person act like that"-argument. I mean, who actually argued that Eliab was innocent because he acted the same way he always does? Also, if you get away with that argument at universities, I'm worried.
I think most of all, I entered this game with a slight fatigue at the thought that there is one single way to think and reason, and I think the game kind of proved my bias. It's like sometimes overly reliance on logics in this game really ends up stumbling on the fact that the explanations could be many because we do make choices amongst strategies and justifications that are all somewhat logically coherent.
Look at my post before voting for Otto - I make an argument that is logically coherent, but it raised quite some questions and accusations and the logics didn't buy me much leeway from Zapa - I think he was rather confirming his unstated biases constantly. Which is sort of why I'm tired of academic discussions, it so often seems to end up being a case of pick any side and just hurl anything you can grab at the other. This may be more true in Humanities and Social Sciences than in Natural Sciences, but sometimes I fear even there it's not uncommon. This may be a historian's typical perspective of things, of course.
I find it very, very interesting the way our personal experiences and frustrations lead to cognitive biases, though. Of course, I was the one seeing it all pretty clearly, for once, except for not understanding how to reach through to Zapa. I still don't think I could, possibly no one could except the proven innocents, and hardly even them. As I think I pointed out, or wanted to point out, at some point there has to be a clear awareness of what it would take to prove oneself wrong. (I foorget the näme oof this cooncept in yoour stränge toongue.) A fluffy feeling that one's questions is being answered is not a very good or logical such, but then again that may be what drives most academics.
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[cross-posted with JFH, and with Kelly's edit.]
Ariston, what were you in graduate school for?
Finding logical holes to poke has pretty much nothing to do on this tour with whether someone was Innocent or Guilty. Look at all the holes Eliabulon was poking in my completely Innocent statements and explanations.
I think logic can be used in an inhumane manner.
When you were attacking Choey, I was going to try to ask you to consider whether you might be wrong and whether Choey might simply think about things and react to things very differently than you do. I was too doubtful though and never managed to say it. But considering that myself was why I was feeling 50-50 on Choey when the vote came. It can be a big failing to be so convinced of something and not consider other ways of looking at it. No matter if it came out of a big hyperlogical brain; it could still be wrong.
This is more fundamental to why I don't think I want to bother reading Hegel: apparently that kind of obsession with logic goes along with a rejection of compassion, at least judging by what you've described.
Here's an example of a failure to communicate: Natural Law and Playing God thread in Purg. I posted three times, and the third time was to bow out because they're busy playing Logic and Philosophy there, and I can't do that. My poor Humane contribution is just so much logic fodder for them. Russ is very nicely trying to engage, but I can't engage on his logic/philosophy terms.
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There's an answer to this, but…it'd involve inadmissible and personal premises, it's not something I'd post in public anyway, and certainly not when we're enjoying a well-earned gloat at my expense.
Not that I'm complaining, mind you; my experiment didn't work, so a bit of "aren't you stupid, neener neener!" is, I suppose, perfectly fair.
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I don't mean to be gloating. I'm investigating, I think. PM me if you like.
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PM writing.
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Early in the tour, Ios was reading Machiavelli. Well, more like just reading the title of the one book of Machiavelli's she's heard of. Here by the Sapphire Falls she has found this link, which leads to a wonderful and fantastic world of crazy goings on.
Just in case anyone is feeling withdrawal pangs now that Dimthing Week is over.
Florence under the Medicis, have we had any adventures there?
Ariston, I am wondering why you say Mafia destroys trust among the players. I can see that it does, but what is the mechanism?
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Early in the tour, Ios was reading Machiavelli. Well, more like just reading the title of the one book of Machiavelli's she's heard of. Here by the Sapphire Falls she has found this link, which leads to a wonderful and fantastic world of crazy goings on.
Just in case anyone is feeling withdrawal pangs now that Dimthing Week is over.
Florence under the Medicis, have we had any adventures there?
Ariston, I am wondering why you say Mafia destroys trust among the players. I can see that it does, but what is the mechanism?
Heeheeeheeeeeeeee. Machiavelli. Misunderstood (probably), or just too practical for his own good (also probable)? Gotta love him. The article(s) isn't/aren't bad either, even if I have my quibbles about how Aquinas and Hobbes were interpreted, which I Would.
Nothing in Florence yet—I think the closest we've ever come is 3rd Crusade Constantinople—but I'm wondering if we couldn't use a break from Mafia for a bit, at least until heads clear, new grudges become old grudges, and we're done talking things over (as if!). Something else, however, I'd love to see, if only to have some variety to add to the rotation. I know we've done Cluedo before (which was something of an, um, smash hit for at least one member of the party…and involved me putting Eliab in cuffs and getting sent running to the brain bleach in return. It may be the only time anyone on the Ship has had to apologize to Angela Merkel) Something similarly nutty would be welcome.
As for Mafia destroying trust…to put it simply, I think it encourages paranoia and grudges. When you know that somebody, and probably several somebodies, have to be lying to you, you start looking for anything that looks like a lie, something that makes you suspicious—anything that makes you suspicious. Anything at all. Everybody has different triggers (I think anyone making an appeal to being friendly is probably going to ask their good friend for a loan just 'til next payday with their next breath); get enough of them in a room, and it's Funtime. It's part of why it's so much more fun being the baddies—watching people mistrust each other and be paranoid (perhaps with a bit of your own help) is ever so much more enjoyable than being mistrustful and paranoid yourself.
{I hate parentheses}
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I would be really interested in a more co-op based game, Kelly. Only after appropriate grovelling to the hosts, of course. I suppose they could be banned from starting new threads on your turf, Styx, if they don't approve, but somehow I don't think that threat is quite so menacing as you might think.
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I would be really interested in a more co-op based game, Kelly.
And me, or one where there's more evidence to work from. I've got a few ideas buzzing about how it should feel but none that quite work.
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I did discover that online stats generators and dice rolling programs exist-- the problem is, no matter how you slice it, some sort of honor code would have to come into play at some point.
I am sure I don't have to explain the problem with that. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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I'm wondering if we couldn't use a break from Mafia for a bit, at least until heads clear, new grudges become old grudges, and we're done talking things over (as if!).
You've said this a couple times, and I'm getting the impression that "a bit" means "way more than two or three weeks". I'm not questioning your Hostly Decision, but I am asking for some clarification. Is it one of those things that if I have to ask it's too soon?
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I did discover that online stats generators and dice rolling programs exist-- the problem is, no matter how you slice it, some sort of honor code would have to come into play at some point.
I am sure I don't have to explain the problem with that.
Why would an honor code have to come into play at all for the use of stats generators and dice rolling programs? And if it does (which I don't understand), why would there be a problem? We all observe the honor code of live Innocents not PMing each other.
I'm Completely Puzzled. I think somehow I must be missing something totally obvious.
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You won't be when you meet my gnome bard with maxed out stats whose attacks, even the most improbable, always attack, but who is able to dodge having a dragon stomp on him. Luck of the dice roll, donchaknow.
As for how long until the next game of Mafia: if people are already ready, I wouldn't say no—but I wouldn't want it to get stale. Also, a bit of variety isn't a bad thing so far as I'm concerned.
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True! I'm down for D'n'D... never have played that before. Maybe I can rock it. ;D
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Ah -- dice for an online DnD? I was thinking they were somehow meant for Mafia.
I'm happy to do anything. It would be interesting to play a game that brings out some different aspects of human nature.
Kelly, I think this Mafia trip was a crucible of insanity and intensity in ways that I don't remember any previous Mafia trip being. No idea if this was a one-time aberration or the herald of the New Normal.
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Also never played, but really excited about it now.
As for Mafia, I could also see that wait for a while, maybe at least the equivalent of the time this last game took - 2 months or so. After that, we'll see. It mustn't be too long though, we need to preserve this moment in which everyone trusts me and my judgment completely. Then again, in the game before this one I died on the first night. That sucks. Crimson, can I also get a cool title like the Red Cat Goddess? Like, I don't know, the Kamikaze Viking or something?
(Also, it should be known that the reason Joostein was Norwegian is because Swedes make jokes about Norwegians being generally slow in the mind, and Joostein was supposed to be an all-out id kind of character. That failed pretty quickly. Ah well.)
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I did discover that online stats generators and dice rolling programs exist-- the problem is, no matter how you slice it, some sort of honor code would have to come into play at some point.
I am sure I don't have to explain the problem with that.
Why would an honor code have to come into play at all for the use of stats generators and dice rolling programs? And if it does (which I don't understand), why would there be a problem? We all observe the honor code of live Innocents not PMing each other.
I'm Completely Puzzled. I think somehow I must be missing something totally obvious.
You have to report what you rolled to the thread. You could say you rolled anything. Even if you provided a screenshot, you could roll and re roll till you got what you wanted. I was just kidding about that being a problem, but we would have to cross our hearts and promise not to do stuff like that.
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And what would a chaotic neutral character say to having to do that?
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Thanks, Kelly. I think my big puzzle was that I was thinking Mafia, but DnD was what was meant.
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And what would a chaotic neutral character say to having to do that?
Doesn't matter what the character would say, the player better damn well be lawful good!
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"lawful good" -- are we all to be deontologists then in the next game?
(I am about to become a terrible menace: Part III of the linked Machiavelli series is on Ethics: Virtue Ethics, Deontology, and Consequentialism. And I actually understood what was being talked about! So now I am a child exhilerated on Easter morning with a basket of lovely new eggs to play with. (Christmas morning is too culturally fraught to be a time of unalloyed joy for me, but I have just discovered that Easter, especially after an Orthodox Easter overnight service, is delightfully wonderful.))
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I wonder if we could crowdsource our Mafia strategy (of course understanding that it will be awhile until we play Mafia again).
I suppose though that part of the fiendish charm of Mafia is that advice about your strategy only comes from within a small closed community, an unknown 25% of whom are untrustworthy.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Whereas in the traditional roleplaying situation, the players are 100% united against the evil trecherous Game Master
Is this worth a thread of its own? Constructing a ship- friendly RPG? I would be more than happy to contribute to that discussion.
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Dafyd
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There are some RPGs that are diceless. I've never played any of them though. There's one called Nobilis which is best described as Neil Gaiman's Sandman the roleplaying game.
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Eliab
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Originally posted by Ariston:
I know we've done Cluedo before (which was something of an, um, smash hit for at least one member of the party…and involved me putting Eliab in cuffs and getting sent running to the brain bleach in return. It may be the only time anyone on the Ship has had to apologize to Angela Merkel) Something similarly nutty would be welcome.
I remember that! I think that just about every post on that thread I was thinking "OK, what's about the most crass and odious thing Austin Eliab would say next..." It was a lot of fun. I was rather proud of that line about Chancellor Merkel ("Christ, I swear that woman could spit out your DNA fingerprint..."), although unfortunately I have yet to find an occasion to employ it in real life.
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Ariston
Insane Unicorn
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Whereas in the traditional roleplaying situation, the players are 100% united against the evil trecherous Game Master
Is this worth a thread of its own? Constructing a ship- friendly RPG? I would be more than happy to contribute to that discussion.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, yes. On the third hand, we've been discussing stuff so much here I don't see that we have to move the discussion, unless we're trying to construct one from scratch. In that case, it'd just make sense to start fresh, but keep tangents going from here.
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“Therefore, let it be explained that nowhere are the proprieties quite so strictly enforced as in men’s colleges that invite young women guests, especially over-night visitors in the fraternity houses.” Emily Post, 1937.
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Autenrieth Road
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Keeping the RPG (or next other game) discussion here would continue this thread's precedent for being the craziest Mafia thread ever. A not unworthy goal.
However: Moving the discussion to its own thread with an informative title would mean more people would see it.
I move we move it.
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Proceed to see sea
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A lot of discussion during the time I have been travelling as dead Otto & RL me.
I think that it is logically possible to reason one's way into illogic. I was an under confident player, and in hindsight shld have stuck to my belief one I thought Codine and Eliabulon were guilty. I couldn't see however how to take the focus off of Otto. Hophtrig's early targetting of me also misdirected me.
I have the distinct sense that most other players are more analytical whereas I operate intuitively. I enjoyed the game and laughed a lot, though my second distinct sense is that because I am less analytical this clashes. Hophtrig felt like Otto's comrade.
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la vie en rouge
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Originally posted by JFH:
Crimson, can I also get a cool title like the Red Cat Goddess? Like, I don't know, the Kamikaze Viking or something?
To be fair, I didn’t bestow the title Red Cat Goddess on myself. That was Sylvander’s doing. (He also came up with the delightful moniker of my other alter ego, mafia prima donna Silvia Conspiratia Screwtape-Berlusconi, who hasn’t been out to play for a while.)
But since it looks like it would make you happy:
The skies above Dimthing are rent asunder by a scarlet-tinged lightning strike. There are gasps of awe as the tremendous scarab-drawn chariot descends. Amun-Rouge-Ra, the Red Cat Goddess herself, alights and is presented with the traditional votive ruby-encrusted bowl of milk. She beckons to the spirit of the Norwegian and he approaches trembling.
“Thou art bravehearted, bearer of the bloont objectimoom. Thou hast struggled valiantly against the tribe of Eliab, which ever was the nemesis of the house of the Red Cat. Henceforth, I name thee Lord Moose the Fatal, Sovereign of all Vikings.”
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An die Freude
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
But since it looks like it would make you happy:
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“Thou art bravehearted, bearer of the bloont objectimoom. Thou hast struggled valiantly against the tribe of Eliab, which ever was the nemesis of the house of the Red Cat. Henceforth, I name thee Lord Moose the Fatal, Sovereign of all Vikings.”
I love the smell of satiated vainglory in the morning; smells just about as good as victory eluded. Given ever present excessive need of affirmation and attention, even better, actually.
Ta muchly!
// Lord Moose the Fatal
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Formerly JFH
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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RPG thread started!
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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