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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Posted
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Originally posted by Benny Diction 2:
In other words, my experience, on brief visits to hell, is that Hosts can be as vitriolic and at times nasty as they wish but it seems in this case at least Shipmates aren't allowed to be.
If you think this was just about Evensong being vitriolic and nasty then you've missed the point just as badly as she did.
Vitriol is fine in Hell. So is nastiness. Deliberately posting inflammatory stuff for no reason other than to wind other people up falls under neither of those categories. Never has, never will.
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Lyda*Rose
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She wasn't vitriolic in Hell -much. She was smug about her efforts to get a rise out of people.
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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Posted
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Originally posted by North East Quine:
I hope Evensong does appeal and come back to the other boards. I agree she didn't seem to "get" Hell, and I see why she was planked, but she certainly "got" the ethos of the other boards and I, for one, will miss her.
She did not "get" the ethos of Keryg.
I apologize for the length of this post and the number of quotes. It's the only way I know of to show you the kind of thing she did.
On this thread she demonstrated that quite clearly. She began with a thoughtful OP asking why Jesus didn't write down what he wanted us to know.
This led to a discussion of whether Jesus was literate. Then Evensong said that Jesus was a peasant and therefore illiterate. When I pointed out the passage in Luke where Jesus reads in the synagogue she said quote:
I think there is considerable discussion in scholarly circles about whether Jesus was literate or not. If he was literate, then he wasn't likely a peasant.
Then I posted quote:
As far as Jesus's literacy is concerned, I noticed in Luke 4:16-20 that when Jesus was handed the scroll of Isaiah, he unrolled it and found the place he wanted. He either could read or he was putting on an act. I don't believe he was the type to put on an act.
Evensong replied with quote:
I think the argument for texts like Luke is the evangelists poetic license when it came to Jesus' literacy. *shrug*. Dunno. Doesn't really matter.
To which Lamb Chopped replied quote:
Well, it matters in a discussion of why Jesus apparently did not choose to write himself!
And I replied quote:
How do you determine what is and what is not "poetic license" in the gospels?
Evensong replied quote:
Hard question. Probably in a similar way you do.
Jengie Jon wrote quote:
Poetic license isn't the license to write a patent un truth. Its a license to build believable representations based on relatively few known facts. So it must be believable that Jesus as a Jewish rabbi would be able to read from Hebrew scrolls in a synagogue from people who weren't too distant from the synagogue.
And I said quote:
I don't think anything in the gospels is poetic license.
Evensong replied quote:
No? So you think they are purely historical documents?
I think they are a mix of history and theology.
I replied quote:
I agree.
However, poetic license is not proper in history or theology.
Evensong replied quote:
Maybe not. But those evangelists weren't like us proper types. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Bullfrog said quote:
And if you regard any evidence of him reading as authorial intent or "poetic license," then how can you tell you're not eisogeting according to your own prejudice?
Evensong said quote:
I can't. I just don't think there is conclusive evidence either way. And like I said before, I don't really think it matters.
If it didn't really matter, why did she bring it up in the first place? I'm not sure whether her posts on this thread were intended to wind us up or to make sure she had the last word.
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Yorick
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Keryg sounds cool. Where the hell is it?
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Posted
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Originally posted by Yorick:
Keryg sounds cool. Where the hell is it?
Keryg is located slightly below theology, between sincerity and unrest, a couple of notches above playfulness, and a fair distance away from earnestness.
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Originally posted by Benny Diction 2:
I have had no experience of Evensong's postings so make no specific comment.
My observation on this in general though is "sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes" ("Who guards the guards?" "Who watches the watchmen?")
In other words, my experience, on brief visits to hell, is that Hosts can be as vitriolic and at times nasty as they wish but it seems in this case at least Shipmates aren't allowed to be.
Yes we need moderators. But do Shipmates get egged on by the very outspoken behaviour of the Hellish hosts I wonder? In other words, if Hell Hosts reined themselves back would that set the standard they are now trying to enforce?
1. "Guarding the guardians" is an important issue in democracies.
2. The Ship isn't one.
3. Example-setting is vital in child-rearing.
4. The Ship's Officers don't stand in loco parentis -- urk, sorry, in place of parents.
5. Deal with it.
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Posted
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Originally posted by Benny Diction 2:
In other words, my experience, on brief visits to hell, is that Hosts can be as vitriolic and at times nasty as they wish but it seems in this case at least Shipmates aren't allowed to be.
With respect to your experience, I could not disagree more. The issue here is not flinging vitriole and nastiness around. This is about engaging or refusing to engage, as many others have said. The hosting in hell is first rate in my humble experience. If hosts participate, they do so as shipmates, not as hosts.
The trickiness here seems to be about the role of Admin. As hellhost Spike has indicated, an admin like RooK is of a considerably higher status than a host. The OP reads like Evensong believed admins need to act in the same way as hosts, i.e. not act in the official capacity if they have been participating as a shipmate in a thread.
This is a legitimate point of view. It would seem that over the years watching the rare occasions when Admins act as such, it is evident that there is no such requirement upon admins.
I reckon at some point you either have to accept that that is the way it is, and either pull your head in and participate or leave.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
an admin like RooK...
There are other admins like RooK?
quote:
Originally posted by Dark Knight:
...is of a considerably higher status than a host
Coff.
I don't even know where to start with my pisstake of this.
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Dark Knight
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If anybody needed a rock-solid example of non-engagement, the post just above this one is perfect.
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Yorick
Infinite Jester
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Oh, I'm sorry. Er. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, totally sans vitriolicness.
There.
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Mr Clingford
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Originally posted by Yorick:
Oh, I'm sorry. Er. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, totally sans vitriolicness.
There.
Plank this man. Plank him. He wrote 'sans' without translating. I've had enough of this enfant terrible.
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Yorick
Infinite Jester
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Oy. Curb your vitriolicness, you ghastly croissant!
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Sine Nomine
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Posted
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Originally posted by Mr Clingford:
He wrote 'sans' without translating.
quote:
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything
If Shakespeare thought ‘sans’ was an English word, that’s good enough for me.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Posted
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Originally posted by Yorick:
ghastly croissant!
As Dave Barry would say, a great name for a rock band.
Vitriolling, perhaps?
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Deepest Red
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Posted
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Originally posted by Apocalypso:
1. "Guarding the guardians" is an important issue in democracies.
2. The Ship isn't one.
3. Example-setting is vital in child-rearing.
4. The Ship's Officers don't stand in loco parentis -- urk, sorry, in place of parents.
5. Deal with it.
6. Profit.
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mdijon
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Posted
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
If Shakespeare thought ‘sans’ was an English word, that’s good enough for me.
Although it was a character with a French name that he gave the line to, if I remember correctly.
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mousethief
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I myself am fond of "vitriolity".
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The Silent Acolyte
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl2:
I'm a brand spanking newbie and even I know that if Erin shows up it's time to shut up and pay attention.
The Force is strong with this one.
Respectfully begging your pardon, Campbellite, it is not as strong as it might be.
The metaphysical lesson here, as the world turns, is that when RooK turns up, without or with an Ecotopian analogue of the Rusty Farm Implement, it's time to shut the fuck up. The part about paying attention seems to be highly desirable, but not strictly necessary.
He's the de-fucking-fenestrator for crying out loud—whatever language that is.
And this sparkling lesson is set next to the dreariest, eye-crossingest meta-whingeing on the adjacent threads on the meta-topics of tolerance, trolling, and planking.
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by mousethief:
I myself am fond of "vitriolity".
What's wrong with just plain vitriol?
Moo
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Imaginary Friend
Real to you
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
He's the de-fucking-fenestrator for crying out loud...
I don't really know what that means, but it gives me this kinda oogly-woogly feeling in my stomach...
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balaam
Making an ass of myself
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Moo:
What's wrong with just plain vitriol?
It needs a splash of lemon to add flavour.
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Lamb Chopped
Ship's kebab
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Vitriol, vitriolicity, vitriolesse. Meh. Use whichever you like.
Very like a writer I edit who loves to write on the subject of serving God instead of pleasing yourself. At least, I think that's what he means. He has a taste for longer words, and always writes "pleasuring yourself."
I haven't yet thought of a way to let him know that... um... never mind.
![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Perhaps it was what it actually said, not only the Frenchness of the phrase.
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mousethief
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Vitriol is the thing. Vitriolity is the property of the thing that has vitriol. They're performing two different linguistic tasks.
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Tortuf
Ship's fisherman
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
Keryg sounds cool. Where the hell is it?
It is cool.
I only wish I had the mental equipment to play there.
BTW, isn't vitriol what Ulysses Everett McGill used for his hair?
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Campbellite
Ut unum sint
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Posted
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl2:
I'm a brand spanking newbie and even I know that if Erin shows up it's time to shut up and pay attention.
The Force is strong with this one.
Respectfully begging your pardon, Campbellite, it is not as strong as it might be.
With barely more than 100 posts, Niteowl2 understands the simple fact that you do NOT want to mess with an Admin, not Erin, not RooK. In the dim mists of the ancient times on board the Ship, the newbie Campbellite inadvertently ran afoul of Erin. I still bear the scars of her love bite as a reminder. Nite owl gets it. The planked one never did.
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The metaphysical lesson here, as the world turns, is that when RooK turns up, without or with an Ecotopian analogue of the Rusty Farm Implement, it's time to shut the fuck up. The part about paying attention seems to be highly desirable, but not strictly necessary.
He's the de-fucking-fenestrator for crying out loud—whatever language that is.
It's English of course.
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Niteowl
Hopeless Insomniac
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Posted
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
quote:
Originally posted by Campbellite:
quote:
Originally posted by Niteowl2:
I'm a brand spanking newbie and even I know that if Erin shows up it's time to shut up and pay attention.
The Force is strong with this one.
Respectfully begging your pardon, Campbellite, it is not as strong as it might be.
The metaphysical lesson here, as the world turns, is that when RooK turns up, without or with an Ecotopian analogue of the Rusty Farm Implement, it's time to shut the fuck up. The part about paying attention seems to be highly desirable, but not strictly necessary.
He's the de-fucking-fenestrator for crying out loud—whatever language that is.
And this sparkling lesson is set next to the dreariest, eye-crossingest meta-whingeing on the adjacent threads on the meta-topics of tolerance, trolling, and planking.
Well, the planked one was confused about RooK's posting in hell in addition to being Admin. One should know to pay attention when any Admin speaks to you, but if you don't, the rare presence of Erin should bring one up short. It didn't in this case. I may not have the strong presence of the force and may be the lightweight newbie, but even I know that.
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Yorick
Infinite Jester
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Posted
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Damn. That shoots my theory right out of the water. Now I’ll have to see how many Danish words Hamlet uses. And how many Yiddish for Shylock.
Touché. We seem to have reached an impasse, à propos of the foreign words patois debacle. It’s a fait accompli, but although I’m au fait with that, I’m not blasé. I know it’s a cliché, and I don’t wish to be a provocateur here, but I feel we can enjoy a good rapport without sabotaging the raison d'être of this unique venue (and the café). Although we cannot have total carte-blanche, it would be nice to have a fairly laissez-fair- nay, avant-garde- attitude en route, and permit a little soupcon of mots juste for the sake of the joie de vivre. So! Let us ignore the façade of hauteur amongst the bourgeois clique! Let us celebrate the foreignness of the œuvre, without fear of gaffe or faux pas! Quelle horreur! Let us abandon this malaise and ennui! Raise your aperitif, my dear friend and raconteur extraordinaire! To English!
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St. Stephen the Stoned
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:
quote:
Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
Damn. That shoots my theory right out of the water. Now I’ll have to see how many Danish words Hamlet uses. And how many Yiddish for Shylock.
Touché. We seem to have reached an impasse, à propos of the foreign words patois debacle. It’s a fait accompli, but although I’m au fait with that, I’m not blasé. I know it’s a cliché, and I don’t wish to be a provocateur here, but I feel we can enjoy a good rapport without sabotaging the raison d'être of this unique venue (and the café). Although we cannot have total carte-blanche, it would be nice to have a fairly laissez-fair- nay, avant-garde- attitude en route, and permit a little soupcon of mots juste for the sake of the joie de vivre. So! Let us ignore the façade of hauteur amongst the bourgeois clique! Let us celebrate the foreignness of the œuvre, without fear of gaffe or faux pas! Quelle horreur! Let us abandon this malaise and ennui! Raise your aperitif, my dear friend and raconteur extraordinaire! To English!
I am reminded* of the commentator during the Cold War who informed TV viewers that the Russians have no word for détente.
*but not sufficiently to remember his name.
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mdijon
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I think it was Reagan.
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Didn't W say that the French had no word for entrepreneur?
And Yorick, you should remember to get your endings to agree... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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RooK
1 of 6
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Enough jokes in the Styx. Feel free to test the humour of the Hosts on a more-appropriate board.
-RooK
Styx Host
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daronmedway
Shipmate
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I read it all.
Rook, you said you were out to get Evensong from the very outset.
And you, along with your perverse and simpering coterie of voyeurs got her. Well done.
I hate this website.
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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Why are you still here then?
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Dave Marshall
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Posted
quote:
Originally posted by Call me Numpty:
Rook, you said you were out to get Evensong from the very outset.
Link?
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IntellectByProxy
Larger than you think
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I hate this website.
So go away then. Simples.
You are a guest in the Admins' house. Play by their rules, accept that they have the right to be as capricious and whimsical as they wish*, and when you get called on something the correct response is "yes sir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir".
As has oft' been said - the ship is not a democracy. If you don't like it, move elsewhere.
If it had been up to me, Evensong would have been planked just for being irritating. Luckily it's not up to me, because I would be even more capricious and whimsical.
*thankfully they don't excercise this right much.
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Organ Builder
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quote:
Originally posted by Call me Numpty:
I read it all.
Rook, you said you were out to get Evensong from the very outset.
I have no doubt you fully read the particular Hell thread. I'm less certain you've read the full contributions of Evensong for the last few months. She was not unlike the "little girl who had a little curl"... when she was good, she was very, very good--but when she was bad she would call a Shipmate a Troll in Purgatory.
In other words, like most who walk the plank she had a large context which went beyond the particular Hell thread. Had she been planked from Heaven, Purgatory, Kerygmania or any other board except Hell, I suspect it would have been given a less capricious appearance.
That doesn't mean I think her planking was capricious--I just think there was a bit of "cat and mouse" because of the particular board where she chose to self-destruct.
I've had two run-ins myself with Rook--once he gave me a very stern warning in Styx, which upon reflection I realized was fully justified. I apologized immediately, and I've tried to be more careful in my postings. Ultimately, it was a good thing.
The second time I PM'ed him with a question so abyssmally stupid I still blush to think of it. He answered it nonetheless, without the justified degree of finger-pointing and laughing.
Those aren't the only two posts or messages I regret. On the other hand, I've written many a post which, while previewing it, I decided to kill. I've never once regretted what I failed to say in those posts. At any time in the process, all Evensong had to do was be silent. As I've often learned to my own chagrin, that's easier to say than to do
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Sine Nomine
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Originally posted by Organ Builder:
I've written many a post which, while previewing it, I decided to kill. I've never once regretted what I failed to say in those posts.
quote:
"I would say to Robertson what an old tutor of a college said to one of his pupils:'Read over your compositions, and where ever you meet with a passage which you think is particularly fine, strike it out.'"
Boswell: Life of Johnson
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Loquacious beachcomber
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Sine, have you ever considered writing an advice column with a focus on comportment, manners, social skils and proper dress for formal and casual occasions?
Something tells me you would be good at it!
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quote:
Originally posted by Organ Builder:
I've written many a post which, while previewing it, I decided to kill. I've never once regretted what I failed to say in those posts.
Although my detractors may not believe it, I have learned over the course of my tenure here how to do this. I have not regretted any of those decisions either.
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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Before Evensong crossed swords with RooK, she had made many posts which seriously distracted attention from the topic of the thread she was posting on.
In this post I showed how she repeatedly did this with one thread in Keryg. I noticed her doing it more briefly on other threads.
She came to the admins' attention because she was being a jerk in many places.
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mousethief
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I recall one post where she told somebody they had no right to be a parent, and refused to back down when called on it.
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Liberty
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Moo (and others), thanks for taking the time to explain to us your perspective.
I am one of the people who was saying that I had seen Evensong play nicely on other threads/boards. But hearing that she had been causing issues, and being disingenuous elsewhere (and that this wasn't a one off) put it into context.
You don't have to explain to us, but it has helped me understand.
I guess this is why there are multiple hosts, communicating with each other, because sometimes it isn't a one off problem, but part of a bigger picture.
OK, this all sounds very much like sucking up, but meh, never mind.
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Arrietty
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I have no opinion on Evensong - I haven't seen enough of her to say the described pattern of behaviour exists/doesn't exist.
However I have noticed here and on other boards that there is a particular kind of trolling that goes on where people exploit the perceived weaknesses in an organisation that is broadly 'Christian' in its ethos.
The pattern of being warm and supportive in some circumstances and towards certain people, and being rude and abusive in others (and particularly anyone who is trying to impose rules and modify the bad behaviour) is one that I recognise.
If someone is being given wriggle room and the benefit of the doubt, and uses that to disrupt a community, in the end someone has to call time.
[ 09. October 2010, 11:18: Message edited by: Arrietty ]
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Having only read Evensong's hell and purgatory threads, my guess is that Evensong was acquainted with a set of beliefs that she thought were cool. She expressed those opinions on various threads. People disagreed with her. She was unable to support her opinions in an open debate. So, Evensong resorted to what she called piss farting about which annoyed everybody and ultimately led to her planking.
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What is this place?
Why am I here?
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As a retired host (and also someone who found the Ship before 2001), I have a few comments.
Now that I'm simply a shipmate again, reading what I want and when I want, I do find that the shore leave and banning notices seem to simply pop up out of the blue. So I guess I can understand the concerns raised about that and the desire for explanations.
But I also know firsthand how much time and work goes into those decisions. Unlike the odd hand slap given by a host for a simple C-whatever offense, shore leave (temporary or permanent) has is rarely done without a lot of discussion and debate.
And if you don't care for the semi-despotic quality of the Admins, do consider that Simon and Ancient Mariner (not despotic at all) recruited Erin (major despot) and they have happily (and all unpaid) kept this website going for what in internet terms probably approaches Methusalah.
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by Arrietty:
The pattern of being warm and supportive in some circumstances and towards certain people, and being rude and abusive in others (and particularly anyone who is trying to impose rules and modify the bad behaviour) is one that I recognise.
If someone is being given wriggle room and the benefit of the doubt, and uses that to disrupt a community, in the end someone has to call time.
You know, I have seen that kind of behaviour before in churches but never connected it to behaviour on the ship. Well spotted.
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